Interviewing pastor T isn't an easy thing,,the guy has knowledge in both areas of discussion, science and spirituality.

This is the kind of discourse that pushes societies forward

I am normally on the fence when it comes to religious debates but this was conscious, factual and respectful. It was a very engaging interview and we have learnt a lot from both your views. Definitely we need more of pastor T on the couch.Thank you iko Nini for sharing him with us. What I like about pastor T he does not throw his weight out he is attentive and has patience.

Pastor T needs to come back again and again. Such a balanced and sober conversation.

Pastor T is a wise man. Mwaf too you're a true researcher. This one was educational I gotta say. Facts!! Iko nini!!

Considering Paster T agrees with science and religion while mwaf on the religious part is 💯 critical ,pastor T really knows his stuff. Mwaf kidogo you were asking for absolutes from faith but the point T really put across is that both can never offer that. Very nice podcast

Without the church, i'd not be music producer, developer or a writer. I thank Jesus for his love.

I've heard for the very first time an atheist. Pst T well done you' ve put it out there so well. I'm a born again believer and I pity the deception that has entered the hearts of many. the Bible says (Psalms 14:1 "The fool has said there is no God"). ( Hebrews 11:6) says, "He who comes to God must believe that He is", nobody can proof God. The only avenue available is to believe. Finally and to all of atheist who will read this please read only two verses and decide for yourselves (Luke 16:27,28)

These are the conversations we need as young people. This was a great conversation. I love the maturity in the discussion. Pastor T you are a wise man.

Definition of lit. As a Christian,I'm contented. Mwaf,you are smart. From Hot 96 to today,maad respek. Pastor Mr.T,you are lamp up high,shine to the world.Lets keep representing Christ,when we endure to the end,we will be saved.God bless.

I love the way pastor T explains deeply

This conversation could have been ended with just one sentence, as Pastor T said and its in the scripture, God has given us free will, you choose what you want and you will bear the consequences of your choices,God does not sit to destroy you, you choose your path accordingly.

Big up Mr T ... through this I believe in God even more ...Kudos to Iko nini and Mwaf as well ..this was good

God has put principles in place so that anyone who follows the principles will deliver themselves from the bondage in the world. With this as a Christian you ought to live above the systems of the world because we are not of the world

This conversation is so much lit.... Pst T mwangi is in another level the knowledge the wisdom in both religion and science no one who can beat this guy.... Big up nataka iyo part ya Brazil saana mwaffs your explanation.... Pst T genius

I like how Mwaf is arguing mehn... The convo is getting me in a dilemma 😂

Lord pliz raise many more pastor Tee in this generation. May God continue to use you mightily sir.

I love such topics nothing greater than getting to know God and His Kingdom. Pastor T has inspired me to read more broadly.. The bible says "Be not ignorant of any thing in a great matter or a small."

I have always wanted to debate these apologists but Mwafff you have represented my thoughts very well

We can’t say prayer doesn’t work entirely, but prayer without work is nothing, you’ll just grow bitter because things are not working and start blaming God for nothing. You must put in work. There’s very rare circumstances where miracles happen. As a human being, God has given everyone an option to do something/ a way out of your troubles. God is always ready to work with everyone, as long as you play your part.

The more I listen to such discussions the more God becomes more real. The good thing with God is He is convinces with be personally. And if we were to know everything about God then He would cease to be God. Another thing there are things God will never do He uses you and me to fulfill His work.

I have learned that God can not be explained but experienced..when he visits you everything Pastor T is trying to say will make sense

We need more men of God who are all-round informed and intelligent like pastor T.

This conversation is necessary especially from two different view points , Mwaf this is the true work of a journalist ask the hard questions, rebuttal I am very impressed with this podcast. 🔥👏🏾👏🏾

Good debate between a man who has faith in a higher being and another who has faith in human theories and philosophy. Personally, I believe in a higher being.

Mr T is intelligent!. I like how he countered Mwaf on the point about machines misdiagnosing, and stating that machines are a product of science ,thus science too can be flawed. This is a healthy discussion and it has reinforced my faith in God.

Faith goes beyond logic at times 1+1 is not 2, this will only make sense if you have an encounter with GOD

I wish you guy would be doing a podcast together the conversation was amazing 2great minds ❤

Faith is intangible we can't touch it we can't see it. There some dynamic changes that can alter your life that makes you want to know God at a deeper level and there you find answers

This conversation is very interesting. I'm totally hooked. Pastor T and Mwaf are very informed and factual based. Loved both sides of the argument

mr. T just deciphered so much about science in one sitting... he can convert so many atheists' theory

If you listen to any conversation on these streets of socials and see most comments are from men... Then know there's both depth & value in that conversation!!!! This is one like it...iko Nini?!!!

Mwafrika you got alot of knowledge. Mr T you are a pure genius

T knows what he's talking about

This is a great insight into spirituality and science. Mwaf, can you now get a muslim , we need to listen and learn from them as well.

It normally Rains once or twice in march then it disappears untill late march or early April. It is called in my culture, "The Rain of the dry Leaves" because it wipes all the dry leaves in the Rivers before the begining of long rains.

This is the best informative Podcast produced. Pastor T is informative, so is Mwaf.

I'd rather live like there's a God than die to realize when its too late

Two brilliant minds. Mwaf, the killer asteroid hit circa 65 Mil years ago. The crater can be found in the Yucatan Peninsula; with the K-T boundary serving as the geological signature of the mass extinction that followed... Much respect Pastor T. You are very knowledgeable and open minded unlike many in your profession.

God loves everyone, that's why the sun up there shines for everyone, and it rains everywhere. It's the ability of one to be wise and make use of the available materials for a living.

Great discussion in general. There were instances i felt Mwafreeka was trying to be a bit disrespectful to Christianity which mostly is the other way round where the pastors are the ones who are disrespectful to atheists but all in all both men argued their points maturely and intellectually and would love to see more of this. Good discussion from two men with different beliefs

When it comes to religion, I always tell people follow your right conscience..

I must say, this is such an intellectual rebuttal! (Actually, the intellectual discourse going on here is for the books! Worth documenting for posterity value!) #simplyaliteraturelover

mwaf i know where u coming from. i feel u. once my mum was taken to be killed by villagers and we saw divine intervention. so one day you'll know the truth. but also try give God a chance to show himself to you. you'll see

We were not coerced to life. So we cannot coerce anyone to life. Especially eternal life. As a biblical Christian,your job is to love the unbelievers and live a life of love. Nice show btw

this by far the best debate ever...it put things into contextual basis if ever i come across a debate about religion i'll jus share this shukran mkurugenzi

Mwaf tuletee huyu dem anaitwa Swiry nyar Kano, atupatie perspective yake ya African spirituality kama vile Mr T ametuchapia kuhusu Christianity, all in all, THE BEST AND MOST INFORMATIVE PODCAST IN AFRICA

This conversation should be stored in the Kenya Archives and Smithsonian for future generations.

Mwaf you have facts, that's good. However, this conversation will never end. Pst. T also had this kind of convo on weekend edition with @nyarswety. I think the best thing is we all do our own research and move with what you believe. All is know, this universe has a supreme being/ designer. Hapo kwa ati we came from meteor rock zii. What we are yet to know is life after death..

Mwaf I like how you tried to explain Evolution, natural selection and adaptability. It was a truly amazing Pod. Big up

Nilisema hii itakuwa moto...so far so moto. Plus Mwaf ame debate na kujiexpress bila "kajitombe" or any cuss word. Na I have felt his passion & conviction. Pastor T ni kweli hayuko "finje finje" Such a sober and Greekish-debate. Where knowledge is from both corners.

lthough over half of the population (60.2%) identify with the Church of Sweden, church attendance is considerably low. Most Swedes who are active Christians usually attend church for significant rituals and ceremonies, including baptisms, marriages and funerals.

Scientific theories are not facts, but rather they are explanations or models that have been developed based on observations, experimentation, and evidence. As new evidence emerges, theories may be revised or even replaced, but they are still valuable tools for scientific inquiry and understanding. Theories are continually subject to testing and refinement as new evidence and observations are gathered.

Enlightening convo..Mwaf and Pastor T......saaaaa tuleteee Mr.Googz....we continue learning

Pastor T is a wise man. The guy talking him over while pastor let him speak without kumuongelelea juu interfering with what he was gonna say next of before he finishes his statements adi T ikabidi a learn iyo trick coz hangepata time ya kujiongea

Pst T knows alot about religion, after this discourse naona Mwaf akiende church nxt Sunday 😂😂😂😂

This is a very civil and sober conversation. Pastor T is versed in matters spirituality.

We should look at the History of how these European nations rose to prominence and I am sure faith is part of it.

Great conversation, for Mwaf quantum physics is science admitting that there is God, for Pastor T the truth is religion is important as it is meant to nurture the souls of man through the proper use of philosophy but it is man made and has been compromised by the love for money and power, the original bible with its full content among many other books are an account of wisdom revealed to men who accepted this as their purpose using literature and stories to explain the laws of nature and guide man back to his creator.Jesus was a great example, a teacher to teach us not to be like him but to become ourselves as he did. Refference; The Hermetica & Outwitting the devil.

We need Part 3 am done with 1&2❤

Mature Conversation. Goes to show that, just because two people disagree does not mean they are fighting. Bravo!!

Pastor T is good at his thing 💯 It's pastor T telling to go read science in details and use reasoning for me 🤣🤣

Wow Pastor T really knows how to balance science and religion 💯💯💯💯

😂wueh.... pastor T🙌🙌🙌how you manage to keep your cool while explaining your view ..salut!!!!!!.. Coz one thing I never get is why someone would dismiss the presence of God..taking into consideration how precise the earth is....no that isn't some coincidence... I wouldn't have the grace to do what you do....🙌... I just be like...aah unajiskia kubellieve there is God ama hutaki hayaa sawaa...it's up to you ...one day when it's proved God is real you will reap the fruit of your actions and if it turns out the higher being wasn't a thing..then I don't have anything to loose really... But all in all...hats off...such a respectful conversation.....hats off to both of you...Good one

I enjoy how this entire conversation captures the 'intellectual laziness' that's to be avoided or perhaps it was edification through a self fulfilling prophecy.

Mwaf will be saved soon. If you start looking for truth in religion you end up saved.

This whole conversation was like a class to me.

Wow! It's not time to show wallets and cars but show scars! Poweful

Mwaf .... We need this guy back to discuss the religion stuff once again .... rewatching this interview for the third time now, we need a new one of this.

shukran lkini ii show ilikuwa one of the best...uletee mr T tena

Mwaf is not liberal kiasi, he is leaning on one side too much. Pastor T. his view is more convincing cause he agrees with some science stuff.He sounds well learned.But the conversation is top notch!! Great interview though!

this was an insightful discussion...i believe not to change your views in what you believe but for the sake of discussion

Beautiful content Mwaf kudos Pastor T the only pastor i can listen to and reason with..next round discuss on the spiritual awakening..

Mwaf am also not religious but looking at all native tribes worlwide they all have some form of spirituality and they do pray to a supreme being science will never solve that mystery

There is a book by Bill Bryson, "A Short Story of Nearly Everything." It answers Pastor T's questions at 31:35

I think one thing that Pastor T could have emphasised or rephrased to answer Mwaf's question regarding a theory concerns the scientific method. Its like doing a postmortem to discover. Theories can be tested and proven but doubt remains. Short for a cosmetic or superficial explanation. By applying the scientific method, science refutes sidelines, or discriminates anything it cannot prove or explain until a time it will. For example, my community, and I believe many other societies, has this belief that revealing your plans to people jinks the plan, thus leading to failure. I recently came across a scientific article that supports the belief, although from a different perspective. Ultimately, I think atheists make good Christian s like Pastor T or Paul the Apostle because their decision to persecute, deny, or disown religion comes from the hunger for a closer relationship with God.

It reaches a point Mwaf depleted his Science armoury .. akaanza maswali 😂😂

I like the way pastor T spits wisdom swiftly unlike mwaf who learn & share skipping reflection &implementation relying on research without using own brain laziness n appetite to make it thru...mwaf need to do research for a better reason not for content tagged a cash price...it silhouette the greed.

The articulation of opinions is top notch. I like how you guys are doing it with a lot of maturity

This is one of the most educative episodes.. Research has been well done.

mwaf ukipata hii comment reach out to pastor t and tell him to disect the book of revelation and the book of daniel on iko nini

part 1 and 2 snippets will trend very soon ...balanced and mature conversation

Personally I try to be more spiritual than religious. Mwaf if possible leta Swiry Nyar Kano to expound more on African spirituality. God does exist but I feel that the missionaries erased how our ancestors worshiped and called it witchcraft.

Behind Science innovation an mathematical equation came inspiration as insights to a few minds, Behind the source of this insights is a mystery classified as Spirituality In spirituality came out various customized religion,.. Let's keep peeling of the layers Great show.

In as much as iko nini tries to argue out his way, He doesn't quantify most of the things he brings out in the conversation. For me, I think more research has to be done in order to bring factual evidence or even reference to what he is saying. It's a good conversation and informative.

Two Things: 1. Mwaf umeconfesss na ulimi yako that uko ready kuokoa, ukiona evidence ya God. Amesema seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you. - Endelea, na utakua na encounter yako na God. 2. Uko kwa industry ya influence. Sooner or later, utakutana na the spiritual realm. Because there's a level ukifika, itabidi uamue uko side gani. In your own free will, utaamua whether ni God, ama ni evil.

Paster t said a demigod is half human half man na sijaelewa inamaanisha nini Also Gaddafi was killed because the west dont want a unified Africa. Look at his work for Libyans

I agree will Mwaf the problem is we are more religious than the way we embrace science, innovation, technology

40:37: the bible nowhere encourages believers to pursue ranks of spiritual powers.

GOD reviled HIMSELF to t by healing his relatives, am sure he will find a way to our guy, and by saying it was machine error, mbona alikuwa msick? When prayers was answered, mbona akakuwa fine, GOD is real

I now believe in God because why so many critics on the God of the Bible

Better those who knoweth NOT than those who know and Fall.

The level of maturity 😂while presenting their opinions without getting annoyed......😂.....good job

Enjoyed this 2nd part. If there is a sequel to the conversation; would love to be in the room to add more 2 cents to the convo.

Very true, we are all born atheist, Psalms 51:5

Love these conversations iko nene squad 👍🏿 Pastor lakini hajibu maswali direct, Mwafreeka ameuliza swali direct. Mbona kuna mtoi anakufa Turkana? Pastor anasema story za Syria na Babylon. Sielewi mbona hawezi jibu in simple language, but ana- magnify topic na kuipatia attributes mingi to bait and switch mpaka mtu analoose track of the original topic. As a viewer hapa hata mimi nilikuwa frustrated karibu niingie TV kufanya amaintain stream of argument clean. Pastor asome Yuval Harari's - Sapiens (A brief History of Human kind) to start

'Iko nini' there is kikuyu belief which explains better about God,tribes and science naeza taka mtafute one of those who believes in kikuyu way of life and you will know God

Iko nini, I don’t limit truth based on what I know or I don’t know….my mind is all so limited. My doubts don’t change existence of God. Just because you haven’t documented healing doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist just as if you haven’t documented a miracle doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist

"We were all born without science , science is foreign to us" Mwaf just got owned there😂😂😂😂😂

It is so convinient how this they give credit to some their imaginary friend, god, for evry good thing but when given a flood of oppotunities to be benevolent he/it ducks