Interviewing pastor T isn't an easy thing,,the guy has knowledge in both areas of discussion, science and spirituality.
@KanyekiKamawe Жыл бұрын
This is the kind of discourse that pushes societies forward
@KanyekiGithure Жыл бұрын
I agree 💯
@blessed112 Жыл бұрын
I am normally on the fence when it comes to religious debates but this was conscious, factual and respectful. It was a very engaging interview and we have learnt a lot from both your views. Definitely we need more of pastor T on the couch.Thank you iko Nini for sharing him with us. What I like about pastor T he does not throw his weight out he is attentive and has patience.
@chemolingots Жыл бұрын
Pastor T needs to come back again and again. Such a balanced and sober conversation.
@seannganga Жыл бұрын
Pastor T is a wise man. Mwaf too you're a true researcher. This one was educational I gotta say. Facts!! Iko nini!!
@bensonn.g3783 Жыл бұрын
Considering Paster T agrees with science and religion while mwaf on the religious part is 💯 critical ,pastor T really knows his stuff. Mwaf kidogo you were asking for absolutes from faith but the point T really put across is that both can never offer that. Very nice podcast
@osaybeats Жыл бұрын
Without the church, i'd not be music producer, developer or a writer. I thank Jesus for his love.
@IkoNini Жыл бұрын
You would be. 😁
@jacksonkibe2750 Жыл бұрын
I've heard for the very first time an atheist. Pst T well done you' ve put it out there so well. I'm a born again believer and I pity the deception that has entered the hearts of many. the Bible says (Psalms 14:1 "The fool has said there is no God"). ( Hebrews 11:6) says, "He who comes to God must believe that He is", nobody can proof God. The only avenue available is to believe. Finally and to all of atheist who will read this please read only two verses and decide for yourselves (Luke 16:27,28)
@bonniemurimi8452 Жыл бұрын
These are the conversations we need as young people. This was a great conversation. I love the maturity in the discussion. Pastor T you are a wise man.
@mamatibrian7803 Жыл бұрын
Definition of lit. As a Christian,I'm contented. Mwaf,you are smart. From Hot 96 to today,maad respek. Pastor Mr.T,you are lamp up high,shine to the world.Lets keep representing Christ,when we endure to the end,we will be saved.God bless.
@maryemmanuel3735 Жыл бұрын
I love the way pastor T explains deeply
@kendimuriuki8109 Жыл бұрын
This conversation could have been ended with just one sentence, as Pastor T said and its in the scripture, God has given us free will, you choose what you want and you will bear the consequences of your choices,God does not sit to destroy you, you choose your path accordingly.
@youngcitizen1897 Жыл бұрын
Big up Mr T ... through this I believe in God even more ...Kudos to Iko nini and Mwaf as well ..this was good
@wanjirurimuipods Жыл бұрын
God has put principles in place so that anyone who follows the principles will deliver themselves from the bondage in the world. With this as a Christian you ought to live above the systems of the world because we are not of the world
@victorkarani9016 Жыл бұрын
This conversation is so much lit.... Pst T mwangi is in another level the knowledge the wisdom in both religion and science no one who can beat this guy.... Big up nataka iyo part ya Brazil saana mwaffs your explanation.... Pst T genius
@deejayleeboy Жыл бұрын
I like how Mwaf is arguing mehn... The convo is getting me in a dilemma 😂
@rosekom5857 Жыл бұрын
Lord pliz raise many more pastor Tee in this generation. May God continue to use you mightily sir.
@bubba7360 Жыл бұрын
I love such topics nothing greater than getting to know God and His Kingdom. Pastor T has inspired me to read more broadly.. The bible says "Be not ignorant of any thing in a great matter or a small."
@kennethmwaura9879 Жыл бұрын
I have always wanted to debate these apologists but Mwafff you have represented my thoughts very well
@q_exottiq Жыл бұрын
Ata mimi nkaeza pata chance naeza debate nao... but of late I'm an apatheist and slightly a misotheist which means indifference to religion and a hatred of god, whatever god means🙄
@dennis_tech Жыл бұрын
We can’t say prayer doesn’t work entirely, but prayer without work is nothing, you’ll just grow bitter because things are not working and start blaming God for nothing. You must put in work. There’s very rare circumstances where miracles happen. As a human being, God has given everyone an option to do something/ a way out of your troubles. God is always ready to work with everyone, as long as you play your part.
@irenemugo9844 Жыл бұрын
The more I listen to such discussions the more God becomes more real. The good thing with God is He is convinces with be personally. And if we were to know everything about God then He would cease to be God. Another thing there are things God will never do He uses you and me to fulfill His work.
@gracesereyah7479 Жыл бұрын
I have learned that God can not be explained but experienced..when he visits you everything Pastor T is trying to say will make sense
@lydiamuthoni7140 Жыл бұрын
We need more men of God who are all-round informed and intelligent like pastor T.
@winniesafi Жыл бұрын
This conversation is necessary especially from two different view points , Mwaf this is the true work of a journalist ask the hard questions, rebuttal I am very impressed with this podcast. 🔥👏🏾👏🏾
@bos29120 Жыл бұрын
Good debate between a man who has faith in a higher being and another who has faith in human theories and philosophy. Personally, I believe in a higher being.
@bos29120 Жыл бұрын
Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
@mwobobiasroundup Жыл бұрын
Mr T is intelligent!. I like how he countered Mwaf on the point about machines misdiagnosing, and stating that machines are a product of science ,thus science too can be flawed. This is a healthy discussion and it has reinforced my faith in God.
@isaacnjoroge4109 Жыл бұрын
Faith goes beyond logic at times 1+1 is not 2, this will only make sense if you have an encounter with GOD
@ladysafari01 Жыл бұрын
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
@marygioche7324 Жыл бұрын
I wish you guy would be doing a podcast together the conversation was amazing 2great minds ❤
@laureenamondi6913 Жыл бұрын
Faith is intangible we can't touch it we can't see it. There some dynamic changes that can alter your life that makes you want to know God at a deeper level and there you find answers
@ms_nyakerario. Жыл бұрын
This conversation is very interesting. I'm totally hooked. Pastor T and Mwaf are very informed and factual based. Loved both sides of the argument
@michaelambetsa3211 Жыл бұрын
mr. T just deciphered so much about science in one sitting... he can convert so many atheists' theory
@IkoNini Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@Just_acollector Жыл бұрын
If you listen to any conversation on these streets of socials and see most comments are from men... Then know there's both depth & value in that conversation!!!! This is one like it...iko Nini?!!!
@KingChefShevade Жыл бұрын
Mwafrika you got alot of knowledge. Mr T you are a pure genius
@Nje_na_raw Жыл бұрын
T knows what he's talking about
@Joanes_Mien Жыл бұрын
This is a great insight into spirituality and science. Mwaf, can you now get a muslim , we need to listen and learn from them as well.
@osagyefo4305 Жыл бұрын
It normally Rains once or twice in march then it disappears untill late march or early April. It is called in my culture, "The Rain of the dry Leaves" because it wipes all the dry leaves in the Rivers before the begining of long rains.
@bonfacengigi7586 Жыл бұрын
This is the best informative Podcast produced. Pastor T is informative, so is Mwaf.
@ChequeBoi Жыл бұрын
I'd rather live like there's a God than die to realize when its too late
@q_exottiq Жыл бұрын
Pascal's wager argument for god??... that's quite reasonable tho personally I don't believe even if god appeared in broad daylight apo Archives siezi muamini...to me religion is barbaric bronze age ignorant propaganda... it's crazy we still believe it mi ata siogopi hell
@mrt6787 Жыл бұрын
Perfect evidence of religious because of fear
@pantheraprowess Жыл бұрын
😂😂Because of fear
@petermuli6688 Жыл бұрын
Two brilliant minds. Mwaf, the killer asteroid hit circa 65 Mil years ago. The crater can be found in the Yucatan Peninsula; with the K-T boundary serving as the geological signature of the mass extinction that followed... Much respect Pastor T. You are very knowledgeable and open minded unlike many in your profession.
@reenmakamu2278 Жыл бұрын
God loves everyone, that's why the sun up there shines for everyone, and it rains everywhere. It's the ability of one to be wise and make use of the available materials for a living.
@anonymoustim Жыл бұрын
Great discussion in general. There were instances i felt Mwafreeka was trying to be a bit disrespectful to Christianity which mostly is the other way round where the pastors are the ones who are disrespectful to atheists but all in all both men argued their points maturely and intellectually and would love to see more of this. Good discussion from two men with different beliefs
@spotimtaani9720 Жыл бұрын
When it comes to religion, I always tell people follow your right conscience..
@audiliawakeshomwamburi5101 Жыл бұрын
I must say, this is such an intellectual rebuttal! (Actually, the intellectual discourse going on here is for the books! Worth documenting for posterity value!) #simplyaliteraturelover
@KTT1897 ай бұрын
mwaf i know where u coming from. i feel u. once my mum was taken to be killed by villagers and we saw divine intervention. so one day you'll know the truth. but also try give God a chance to show himself to you. you'll see
@james_musau Жыл бұрын
We were not coerced to life. So we cannot coerce anyone to life. Especially eternal life. As a biblical Christian,your job is to love the unbelievers and live a life of love. Nice show btw
@shemburu Жыл бұрын
this by far the best debate ever...it put things into contextual basis if ever i come across a debate about religion i'll jus share this shukran mkurugenzi
@HermanMwachala-yr1nr Жыл бұрын
Mwaf tuletee huyu dem anaitwa Swiry nyar Kano, atupatie perspective yake ya African spirituality kama vile Mr T ametuchapia kuhusu Christianity, all in all, THE BEST AND MOST INFORMATIVE PODCAST IN AFRICA
@afrofantasylit Жыл бұрын
This conversation should be stored in the Kenya Archives and Smithsonian for future generations.
@petermburupastor525610 ай бұрын
As you say and scientists should listen to this in order to have faith in God and know nature was created by God
@elishkey Жыл бұрын
Mwaf you have facts, that's good. However, this conversation will never end. Pst. T also had this kind of convo on weekend edition with @nyarswety. I think the best thing is we all do our own research and move with what you believe. All is know, this universe has a supreme being/ designer. Hapo kwa ati we came from meteor rock zii. What we are yet to know is life after death..
@IkoNini Жыл бұрын
The best thing about science is it doesn’t require belief. Whether you believe or you don’t. You’re part of the animal kingdom. Earth is just a speck of dust compared to the rest of the universe. And all gods are regional
@sirstephenstv Жыл бұрын
Mwaf uko na kibarua kubwa btw. Honestly.
@willykiarie1886 Жыл бұрын
Mwaf I like how you tried to explain Evolution, natural selection and adaptability. It was a truly amazing Pod. Big up
@MfalmeUkweli Жыл бұрын
Nilisema hii itakuwa moto...so far so moto. Plus Mwaf ame debate na kujiexpress bila "kajitombe" or any cuss word. Na I have felt his passion & conviction. Pastor T ni kweli hayuko "finje finje" Such a sober and Greekish-debate. Where knowledge is from both corners.
@jacklineyego5560 Жыл бұрын
lthough over half of the population (60.2%) identify with the Church of Sweden, church attendance is considerably low. Most Swedes who are active Christians usually attend church for significant rituals and ceremonies, including baptisms, marriages and funerals.
@mrcentice4403 Жыл бұрын
Scientific theories are not facts, but rather they are explanations or models that have been developed based on observations, experimentation, and evidence. As new evidence emerges, theories may be revised or even replaced, but they are still valuable tools for scientific inquiry and understanding. Theories are continually subject to testing and refinement as new evidence and observations are gathered.
@capstoneeliudelly-gn2083 Жыл бұрын
Enlightening convo..Mwaf and Pastor T......saaaaa tuleteee Mr.Googz....we continue learning
@gracegithuka4730 Жыл бұрын
Pastor T is a wise man. The guy talking him over while pastor let him speak without kumuongelelea juu interfering with what he was gonna say next of before he finishes his statements adi T ikabidi a learn iyo trick coz hangepata time ya kujiongea
@benedictmafusa131 Жыл бұрын
Pst T knows alot about religion, after this discourse naona Mwaf akiende church nxt Sunday 😂😂😂😂
@samuelokeyoh7345 Жыл бұрын
This is a very civil and sober conversation. Pastor T is versed in matters spirituality.
@BensonMwangiBBTHMugo Жыл бұрын
We should look at the History of how these European nations rose to prominence and I am sure faith is part of it.
@kompanysisi5735 Жыл бұрын
Great conversation, for Mwaf quantum physics is science admitting that there is God, for Pastor T the truth is religion is important as it is meant to nurture the souls of man through the proper use of philosophy but it is man made and has been compromised by the love for money and power, the original bible with its full content among many other books are an account of wisdom revealed to men who accepted this as their purpose using literature and stories to explain the laws of nature and guide man back to his creator.Jesus was a great example, a teacher to teach us not to be like him but to become ourselves as he did. Refference; The Hermetica & Outwitting the devil.
@mrmwa5061 Жыл бұрын
We need Part 3 am done with 1&2❤
@brianochieng5904 Жыл бұрын
Mature Conversation. Goes to show that, just because two people disagree does not mean they are fighting. Bravo!!
@jamesmwangi254 Жыл бұрын
Pastor T is good at his thing 💯 It's pastor T telling to go read science in details and use reasoning for me 🤣🤣
@michaelgitau9681 Жыл бұрын
Wow Pastor T really knows how to balance science and religion 💯💯💯💯
@_faith.K Жыл бұрын
😂wueh.... pastor T🙌🙌🙌how you manage to keep your cool while explaining your view ..salut!!!!!!.. Coz one thing I never get is why someone would dismiss the presence of God..taking into consideration how precise the earth is....no that isn't some coincidence... I wouldn't have the grace to do what you do....🙌... I just be like...aah unajiskia kubellieve there is God ama hutaki hayaa sawaa...it's up to you ...one day when it's proved God is real you will reap the fruit of your actions and if it turns out the higher being wasn't a thing..then I don't have anything to loose really... But all in all...hats off...such a respectful conversation.....hats off to both of you...Good one
@linuswahome3163 Жыл бұрын
I enjoy how this entire conversation captures the 'intellectual laziness' that's to be avoided or perhaps it was edification through a self fulfilling prophecy.
@WhoIsThisMan287 Жыл бұрын
Mwaf will be saved soon. If you start looking for truth in religion you end up saved.
@IkoNini Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂. Please don’t hold your breath. 19 years of God free years say otherwise
@DjFinestWorldWide Жыл бұрын
This whole conversation was like a class to me.
@julietropicaljunglegarden-2367 Жыл бұрын
Wow! It's not time to show wallets and cars but show scars! Poweful
@George-vy8fpАй бұрын
Mwaf .... We need this guy back to discuss the religion stuff once again .... rewatching this interview for the third time now, we need a new one of this.
@johnwaweru7019 Жыл бұрын
shukran lkini ii show ilikuwa one of the best...uletee mr T tena
@christinegithinji6328 Жыл бұрын
Mwaf is not liberal kiasi, he is leaning on one side too much. Pastor T. his view is more convincing cause he agrees with some science stuff.He sounds well learned.But the conversation is top notch!! Great interview though!
@anthonykibet2522 Жыл бұрын
this was an insightful discussion...i believe not to change your views in what you believe but for the sake of discussion
@levisogosi5189 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful content Mwaf kudos Pastor T the only pastor i can listen to and reason with..next round discuss on the spiritual awakening..
@thenotemployedtrader Жыл бұрын
Mwaf am also not religious but looking at all native tribes worlwide they all have some form of spirituality and they do pray to a supreme being science will never solve that mystery
@IkoNini Жыл бұрын
On this episode we literally say China and Japan do not have supreme beings so utasema aje all native tribes? 😳
@thenotemployedtrader Жыл бұрын
@@IkoNini But when the chinese talk of chi or prana can science explain that?
@wycliffepoet5201 Жыл бұрын
@@thenotemployedtrader Mwaf answer
@thenotemployedtrader Жыл бұрын
@@wycliffepoet5201 aende pia japan study reiki healing we all have some level of spirituality
@artsanyoful Жыл бұрын
There is a book by Bill Bryson, "A Short Story of Nearly Everything." It answers Pastor T's questions at 31:35
@roselinekiguta198 Жыл бұрын
I think one thing that Pastor T could have emphasised or rephrased to answer Mwaf's question regarding a theory concerns the scientific method. Its like doing a postmortem to discover. Theories can be tested and proven but doubt remains. Short for a cosmetic or superficial explanation. By applying the scientific method, science refutes sidelines, or discriminates anything it cannot prove or explain until a time it will. For example, my community, and I believe many other societies, has this belief that revealing your plans to people jinks the plan, thus leading to failure. I recently came across a scientific article that supports the belief, although from a different perspective. Ultimately, I think atheists make good Christian s like Pastor T or Paul the Apostle because their decision to persecute, deny, or disown religion comes from the hunger for a closer relationship with God.
@georgenyambune1910 Жыл бұрын
It reaches a point Mwaf depleted his Science armoury .. akaanza maswali 😂😂
@IkoNini Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@antonykimari7618 Жыл бұрын
I like the way pastor T spits wisdom swiftly unlike mwaf who learn & share skipping reflection &implementation relying on research without using own brain laziness n appetite to make it thru...mwaf need to do research for a better reason not for content tagged a cash price...it silhouette the greed.
@DJShangwe Жыл бұрын
The articulation of opinions is top notch. I like how you guys are doing it with a lot of maturity
@SirVickTV Жыл бұрын
This is one of the most educative episodes.. Research has been well done.
@dr.phonefix5216 Жыл бұрын
mwaf ukipata hii comment reach out to pastor t and tell him to disect the book of revelation and the book of daniel on iko nini
@onsarigopatrick6043 Жыл бұрын
part 1 and 2 snippets will trend very soon ...balanced and mature conversation
@evangelinewambui7035 Жыл бұрын
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@Elizabeth111t3 Жыл бұрын
Personally I try to be more spiritual than religious. Mwaf if possible leta Swiry Nyar Kano to expound more on African spirituality. God does exist but I feel that the missionaries erased how our ancestors worshiped and called it witchcraft.
@j.maureenwanjiku3545 Жыл бұрын
Yes that would be refreshing.
@sharikharib Жыл бұрын
Behind Science innovation an mathematical equation came inspiration as insights to a few minds, Behind the source of this insights is a mystery classified as Spirituality In spirituality came out various customized religion,.. Let's keep peeling of the layers Great show.
@Wekesah0 Жыл бұрын
In as much as iko nini tries to argue out his way, He doesn't quantify most of the things he brings out in the conversation. For me, I think more research has to be done in order to bring factual evidence or even reference to what he is saying. It's a good conversation and informative.
@sir.jayliste Жыл бұрын
Two Things: 1. Mwaf umeconfesss na ulimi yako that uko ready kuokoa, ukiona evidence ya God. Amesema seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you. - Endelea, na utakua na encounter yako na God. 2. Uko kwa industry ya influence. Sooner or later, utakutana na the spiritual realm. Because there's a level ukifika, itabidi uamue uko side gani. In your own free will, utaamua whether ni God, ama ni evil.
@mustafajirma1687 Жыл бұрын
Paster t said a demigod is half human half man na sijaelewa inamaanisha nini Also Gaddafi was killed because the west dont want a unified Africa. Look at his work for Libyans
@Mattyyyyi10 ай бұрын
I agree will Mwaf the problem is we are more religious than the way we embrace science, innovation, technology
@AnnTugi Жыл бұрын
40:37: the bible nowhere encourages believers to pursue ranks of spiritual powers.
@Harryaggy Жыл бұрын
GOD reviled HIMSELF to t by healing his relatives, am sure he will find a way to our guy, and by saying it was machine error, mbona alikuwa msick? When prayers was answered, mbona akakuwa fine, GOD is real
@rosegithinji1629 Жыл бұрын
I now believe in God because why so many critics on the God of the Bible
@lilianwachira8292 Жыл бұрын
Better those who knoweth NOT than those who know and Fall.
@darnelpic_me9643 Жыл бұрын
The level of maturity 😂while presenting their opinions without getting annoyed......😂.....good job
@jefrokatai5418 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this 2nd part. If there is a sequel to the conversation; would love to be in the room to add more 2 cents to the convo.
@wilsonirungu27 Жыл бұрын
Very true, we are all born atheist, Psalms 51:5
@Storykiasi Жыл бұрын
Love these conversations iko nene squad 👍🏿 Pastor lakini hajibu maswali direct, Mwafreeka ameuliza swali direct. Mbona kuna mtoi anakufa Turkana? Pastor anasema story za Syria na Babylon. Sielewi mbona hawezi jibu in simple language, but ana- magnify topic na kuipatia attributes mingi to bait and switch mpaka mtu analoose track of the original topic. As a viewer hapa hata mimi nilikuwa frustrated karibu niingie TV kufanya amaintain stream of argument clean. Pastor asome Yuval Harari's - Sapiens (A brief History of Human kind) to start
@benjaminondeko975 Жыл бұрын
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@mkhasmat8652 Жыл бұрын
'Iko nini' there is kikuyu belief which explains better about God,tribes and science naeza taka mtafute one of those who believes in kikuyu way of life and you will know God
@GRACE-pg1mw Жыл бұрын
Iko nini, I don’t limit truth based on what I know or I don’t know….my mind is all so limited. My doubts don’t change existence of God. Just because you haven’t documented healing doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist just as if you haven’t documented a miracle doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist
@xidaimojo176 Жыл бұрын
"We were all born without science , science is foreign to us" Mwaf just got owned there😂😂😂😂😂
@naturalist9517 Жыл бұрын
Nothing like getting owned coz science is the same and it just the natural/real world. Mr t ni mdomo to ako nayo tamu na kujiona Mr knows it all. Weka muislamu, jew, na yy apo just because they all believe in God we see if they will all agree with one another. And all of them will Go to hell according to their side. So religion/faith is just man made useless stuff fooling many while a few benefits from it and not by being blessed but by exploiting the members.
@samuelkamau3418 Жыл бұрын
It is so convinient how this they give credit to some their imaginary friend, god, for evry good thing but when given a flood of oppotunities to be benevolent he/it ducks