Ep. 225 | AGM Rattler vs. Adder vs. Varmint

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Жыл бұрын

AGM has made a name for themselves by bringing multiple models of both handheld and rifle mounted thermals to the market that are full featured, reliable, user friendly and a very good value for the dollar. Now that AGM has three different scope model groups including their flagship line of Rattlers, the Varmint LRF and their latest release of the Adders in a traditional day time scope design, there has been confusion from consumers on the differences between them all and the often asked question of "which model is the best?". Our answer to that question is always "it depends". On this show Hans and Jason will go over the basic specs and benefits of each model and offer their thoughts on who each scope is good for. While this won't answer every question, hopefully it will help clear up some confusion on the different models and help narrow down the list for hunters looking to purchase a thermal scope to suit their needs. If you have more questions about which scope is right for you and your situation, don't hesitate to give Hans and Jason a call and they will be glad to help.
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@SuperFunny65 Жыл бұрын

Folks complaining about your small talk? Run your show how you want. We can fast forward through it. Besides, watching and listening to ya'lls conversation is how we get to know you. Thanks for posting.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Anthony! We appreciate you watching and your kind words!

@christopherhawthorne5395 Жыл бұрын

Nobody has a better show on thermal optics

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!!!

@mikecross2435 Жыл бұрын

Great show. Really wish they would make the 384 Adder in 2x

@oldscooterguy1 Жыл бұрын

I couldn't wait for the delays upon delays on the Adder so grabbed a Bolt tl35 early this year. I also have an AGM and what do you guys think about the difference in display? To me the bolt looks so much better with the higher resolution screen. While I haven't been able to test an adder but my bolt works so so much better than my agm in snow and high humidity with rain. Can't stand my own voice so not worried about audio but do you see image difference with the screen resolution? Have you tried the adder in inclement weather? The adder is definitely aggressively priced and I'm happy they're putting downward pressure on market prices. For us northern coyote hunters performance in inclement weather is really important. I'd ask your thoughts but just realized I've never seen y'all reply to these comments other than to call. Sorry for rambling.

@delbridge11l Жыл бұрын

Absolutely excellent video can’t believe it’s so low of views. Well worth the whole watch

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

@dwayneshephard2575 Жыл бұрын

You fellas rock! Just ordered me the Thermion 2 xq38 hours ago!

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thank you Dewayne!!!😎

@theNfl_Esq Жыл бұрын

Same one I’m looking at along with q50..but wanting to check out the adder

@dwayneshephard2575 Жыл бұрын

@@theNfl_Esq I went with the Europe model rather then the Chinese stuff. I’m sure they are good.. it’s just Chinese stuff

@bad_vaporizer 4 ай бұрын

Does it have a range finder

@AverageDudeAdventures Жыл бұрын

I really wanted the 18650 batteries of the Varmint, but I just couldn't justify the cost over the rattler as I see no need in a LRF. For that reason I jumped on the Adder TS35.

@kevinfryer380 8 ай бұрын

Very fair interview

@TheLateNightVisionShow 7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@Liam-ql7tr Жыл бұрын

Dont forget about pesters ( small targets ) they may want more magnification also.

@freedomfamily1358 4 ай бұрын

Good job keep getting it

@TheLateNightVisionShow 4 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@jeffreinardy7570 Жыл бұрын

Two questions: Living in the north and primarily hunting coyotes, does purchasing a lower base magnification and using it as a monocular, and using a higher rifle base mag work well even if you hope to do a few hog hunting? Second question- For those who have purchased the laser range finder, have those individuals tend to actually use it frequently or not nearly as often as they thought they might?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Jeff, thanks for watching. Feel free to give us a call. Hans and Jason will be glad to answer all your questions and they’d love to have your business when you’re ready to purchase. (877)350-1818

@ryanwittstruck8667 Жыл бұрын

Great video but is there a comparison chart somewhere? Would be cool to see a pro/con chart

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching Ryan. Unfortunately, the best place to find such a thing is maybe on the AGM website.

@boogerwelder Жыл бұрын

Kinda off topic, but how do you guys recommend cleaning the objective lens on a thermal scope and also, should any anti fog be applied?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

A soft lens cloth like you’d clean reading glasses and a daytime optic. If it’s really dirty one of the wet paper lens wipes is fine. Contrary to popular belief the front lens on a thermal scope is just really good glass like a day scope. The super expensive germanium lens sits between the front lens and the thermal sensor. I would personally not advise putting anything at all (anti-fog etc) on the lens. I’m not saying it would hurt it but that’s a no go for us. Thanks for watching. When you get ready for another optic give us a shout!

@boogerwelder Жыл бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow thank you. I have a rattler ts25 now, mainly used as a monocular. When I'm ready for a mid range thermal for a rifle, I will definitely be giving you a call

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@waynemensen4252 Жыл бұрын

Does the varmint with LRF adjust the cross hairs for the distance or does it just show you the distance and you need to know your hold over?

@Bobbylee1963 Жыл бұрын

You need to adjust for holdover.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Yes it just works like a normal rangefinder and gives you the yardage. You need to know your hold overs and be able to adjust accordingly. Currently none is the quality manufacturers are putting any sort of smart reticle adjustments in their scopes

@curteous1 Жыл бұрын

With the 5-gun profile setup on my Adder, I’ve found that I wish I had bought a model with LRF, my theory is that I can use the different reticle settings (5 total) within each gun profile to zero, then label at that range, A-1 zeroed at 75 yards, A-5 zeroed at 200 yards etc. With all of those ranges set to their zero, having an LRF to tell you exact range would point you to select the reticle range closest to that range, then you’re narrowing down how much dope to add for that shot.

@AmazonWebService98 Жыл бұрын

I have both the TS19 and TS35

@britthenley Жыл бұрын

Are all the 640's just as clear? I want the one with the best picture and detail

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Different scopes, even among same brands can have different charity’s. These particular AGM’s are basically the same but other brands could be different. When you’re ready to decide on an optic but need some help give us a call. We’d be glad to help and love to have your business. 877-350-1818

@peteharper3614 7 ай бұрын

I wanted to follow up on your comments on bolt action with picatinny rail. I'm looking for a scope for 30-06 bolt action. Hunting hogs and coyotes out to 200yds. Would you recommend Adder over rattler even with picatinny rail? How about 30-06 recoil? Current night vision scope resets with every shot.

@TheLateNightVisionShow 7 ай бұрын

We would always recommend a tube/traditional style scope for a bolt gun over a shorter block style scope. Your mounting options are way better on a 30mm tube optic on a bolt action. Only Pulsar, Infiray Outdoor and N-Vision are rated for over a .308. Unfortunately the Adder and Rattler are not rated for your recoil, Feel free to give us a call this week. We can discuss the options and we’ll be happy to offer our advice. We’d love to have your business. 877-350-1818

@peteharper3614 7 ай бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow Would 6.5 creedmoor be a better option?

@TheLateNightVisionShow 7 ай бұрын

It’s not necessarily a better choice unless your prefer it but a Creedmoor has a similar recoil to a .308, less than a 30-06.

@peterpetrov487 7 ай бұрын

Why do you reccomend traditional style thermal scope for a bolt gun over a shorter block style scope?

@keithking6951 Жыл бұрын

What's the best small thermal scope under 3k in your opinion

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. There is no one perfect scope, it totally depends on the magnification you need, rifle setup you’ll use, shooting distances, battery type preferences etc. We’d suggest giving the guys a call at Outdoor Legacy and they’ll be happy to talk to you and offer their suggestions. They’d love to have your business! (877)350-1818

@mimikeification Жыл бұрын

I bought the TS25 because of the weight and size. What does the Adder weigh. The Varmint TS35 weighs 1.55lbs

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

The Adder TS35-384 weighs 1.96lbs

@mimikeification Жыл бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow thank you for the info. It's much appreciated. Keep up the awesome work y'all are doing!

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir! If you hear of anyone looking for a scope please send them our way. We’d appreciate the business and it keeps the reviews coming!😎

@pjshooter6 Жыл бұрын

Do you not carry the lower power rattlers? T19-256 ?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

We do not. We’ve tested them throughly and we don’t believe they offer a good value for dollar or the image quality needed for safe and effective hunting at distances that most hunters need or want. We believe digital night vision offers a better value and image for less money than the 256 thermals.

@pjshooter6 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow I was more interested in using the t19 or t25 for locating to close in with, and body recovery. Currently I use the sightmark wraith HD for the scope.

@pjshooter6 Жыл бұрын

@@dirtnapdiaries5766 thank you from the video footage I've seen from them, they are better image quality then the thermals we ran in the early days of the hunt for OBL. Those targets shot back. The pigs we are hunting are all within 300 meters. I think the image quality will be sufficient for positive i.d. at that range.

@rokroll 5 ай бұрын

I heard nothing about water proof. Are those scopes water proof? If so, what are the stats?

@TheLateNightVisionShow 5 ай бұрын

They are all IPS67 rated which means fully submersible to 3ft of water for 30 mins. We’d love to have your business when you’re ready to make a purchase! 877-350-1818 outdoorlegacygear.com/search?type=product&q=AGM

@dcornel77995 29 күн бұрын

One year later. Would you still buy the non 640 LRF

@TheLateNightVisionShow 27 күн бұрын

Give us a call and we’ll be glad to help and offer our suggestions. 877-350-1818

@dannypierce9528 Жыл бұрын

I would take either but 2 would be better I would think

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

thanks Danny

@tjkiller99000 Жыл бұрын

When i switched to a 2 lever mount on my rattler and varmint it brought the zero closer to zero. Example, with 1 lever tge zero on the rattler was like x- 33 y- 19. With 2 lever it brought down to like x-11 y- 5. Similar result with 2 lever on varmint. I originally bought the 2 lever because one is none.

@user-wg2nk3sx4x 28 күн бұрын

Does the Varmint have an external charger port??

@TheLateNightVisionShow 27 күн бұрын

It has a USB C port for external power but it doesn’t charge the 18650 battery, it just powers the optic. Feel free to give us a call we’d love to have your business and we just dropped the price on the Adders and Varmints last week! 877-350-1818

@user-wg2nk3sx4x 27 күн бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow thanks

@user-wg2nk3sx4x 27 күн бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow so I can power it off an external battery pack? I have an ATN IR with bat pak.

@priority19 Жыл бұрын

are any made in usa?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

No sir, the only current model thermals made in the US are N-Vision Optics. They start at $6800 and go up to $9,500.

@user-sg3bw7hi3u 4 ай бұрын

So 640 or 384?

@TheLateNightVisionShow 4 ай бұрын

Whichever one your budget allows for is our suggestion. 640 will always be the better image quality.

@CheckSix Жыл бұрын

Is AGM company, HIKMICRO by another name?

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

AGM is a US company that builds some of their own optics but also brings in some of Hikmicro’s optics under their own name and offers their own US warranty and customer service. They work with Hik on the development and improvement of optics before and after they are released so there is more too it than them just simply re-branding. But yes the much of AGM’s product line is manufactured by Hik.

@ED-es2qv Жыл бұрын

I’ve been an iron sight holdout since the 80s, but my effective range is down to self defense. Now I’m listening to coyotes that I want to kill, right out my window. One of these things should keep them down.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

They’ll get the job done!

@crawford323 Жыл бұрын

You know, it's crazy there is $500 difference in a fixed focal length lens. The sensor size is the same. The area the lens has to project to cover the sensor is more or less the same. The cost to manufacture the lenses I guarantee is thE same. Yet they are sticking it to the consumer. I have a degree in photography and a professional photographer since 1976. Something does not add up to the cost vs such a minor change in focal length ie magnification. Just saying.

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Rowdy. We don’t know anything about the manufacturing costs of thermals but we do know that with every brand on the market there is a price increase, usually about $500, when you move to the same model with a higher base magnification. Some brands charge $1,000 to go up one step in magnification. Again, we have no clue about their costs but that’s the way it’s been with every brand since we got into this industry 10 years ago? Thanks again for watching.

@tomsmall6220 7 ай бұрын

The lens is made of Germanium. $1,272/pound just for raw material.

@crawford323 7 ай бұрын

@@tomsmall6220 Thanks, you taught me something.

@crawford323 7 ай бұрын

@@TheLateNightVisionShow Keep it coming boys. You have great content.

@nowherespecial6780 Жыл бұрын

I did the a t n thing . Not a big fan at all I own three of their products. I feel like I can shoot pretty good Out to 3 hundred yards I have plenty of good training. I actually have thor lt mounted on top of my ATN X site. 4k pro . I am a predator extinguisher here in the state of maine. But the gear i'm working with is nothing like I had in the military. But when you dump five thousand dollars into stuff you'd expect it to work. At this point I would like to give my gear down to my son. Do you have any refurbished rattlers. For around the grand.. You're the kings of thermal I'm looking to shoot out to that four hundred yard range. it is my job to protect livestock.. I know that that is a tough request my friends. My p v s fourteen was twenty four hundred dollars. I have the things but I wanna still be able to continue to hunt with something better. A t n is junk. I have sent my units back 3 × 2 get fixed. Can you help me out boys

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. The Rattler 384’s aren’t capable of 400 yard ID and shooting. That’s really really pushing what their 640’s can do as well. To shoot 400 yards you’re probably going to need something in the $4000+ minimum range. We’d love to help but we don’t have any thermal scopes under $2000 and they are going to top out around 200 yards max. If you’d like to discuss if further and see what would work best for you feel free to give us a call. 877-350-1818

@jimcox7232 Жыл бұрын

Still way too expensive How about one that doesn't have Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, just a basic thermal system

@TheLateNightVisionShow Жыл бұрын

The manufacturers have told us that in modern times it only costs them about $20-$25 to add those features. It has been proven that those features will cause a scope to out sell 50 to 1 a similar scope without those features. In this day and age it’s like asking for an iPhone with no internet or texting or a truck with no radio or AC. Manufacturing and demand have moved past those days and it no longer costs hardly anything to add them. If you’re looking to get into night hunting and want to spend less than $1,000 check out our reviews on the Sightmark Wraith and AGM Neith digital NV optics. Currently you’re not going to get a decent thermal for under $1995. Thanks for watching!