Be sure to highlight the supposedly documented proof that David O. McKay did not trust BYU with his personal papers. Wow, are you seriously so narrow minded?

@landon. Oh! Thank you for explanation. Tho't you wanted me to shut up and go away. 😻. It's happening a lot in last 3 weeks on 2-3 ex-mo pods.

I'm not saying it's aliens.....

@@randyjordan5521 somebody had to not say it...

👽 who this guy? Couldn’t be! look how friendly he looks!

@@randyjordan5521 That would only apply to Scientology, wouldn't it?

I hope the book strikes the right balance of exposing people to these themes (Hermeticism, Kabbalah, Royal Arch Masonry, etc.) without being a distraction to the mainline story. Like you, I am fascinating with how Kircher's views on these topics might have gotten in the minds of the candidate authors of The Book of Mormon. You've rad Cheryl Bruno, right?

@@HowItCameToPass No I haven’t, but if you provide a recommendation I will. I left the church some 20 years back, but my parents are still extremely devout. I’m their only daughter. While they have a hard time understanding me, I have to commend the work they’ve done in accepting and loving their gay, childless daughter. I know these podcasts and “news bites” aren’t things they’re being exposed to as two temple workers in CT. But, I want to do my part to understand them better too. Part of that involves learning how the church has evolved over the last 20 years and following current events. My studies in esotericism come from sources independent from Mormonism, as I began my studies some 5 years after leaving the church. Recently, I’ve become more interested in the religious/esoteric environment Joesph Smith grew up in and how living in such a wildly unique time/place shaped him. The overlap between the burnt over district and seance craze of the mid 1800’s in the northeast is criminally understudied and under taught. With that being said, I thought the trigger warning on your book cover was an extremely thoughtful and compassionate way to approach the topic. I know your book is something I’d never recommend to my parents. They’re old and happy, and being correct isn’t the same as doing the right thing. Academics aren’t always humble, but hubris isn’t compatible with the scientific method either, so… I’m just super impressed with the groundwork you’ve laid. And I’m looking forward to seeing where the path leads as you have the time and resources to wander further into the weeds. One area I’d love to see more scholarly research into is what early Mormonism drew from Hermetic Kabbalah. It’s such a vast and intense area of study, I imagine you’d have to partner with academics outside of Mormonism to put those puzzle pieces together. Over the last 5 years or so, there’s been a growing network of credentialed academics on KZfaq with podcasts discussing both esotericism and 2nd temple Judaism/the historical Jesus. I suppose you could say my interest here is an extension of following that. Anyhow, the proposals you’ve put forth are fantastic and I look forward to following your work. ☺️

Great comment. Im right there with you!

agree totally...and to bring it to modernity, rosicrucians and freemasons who are also Christian have bolstered their faith for many years because of knowing the universality of the experience of "Christian Mystics" . There is an admission that Christ did not teach in a vacuum of only Judaism or at least the writings about Christ did not. There also is a tradition that the legend and lore surrounding sacred works is not historical and academic but instead is encoded spiritual information couched in metaphor and allegory....and even explained as such. This became taboo Post Constantine to say out loud and especially during protestant reformation of which "Mormonism" sprang. There is equally important tradition in Judaism today with the Zohar and its lore. So Mormonism appears to carry that type of tradition and flop it straight into protestantism.

@@peterhook2258 I’ve long said that while Mormons theirselves would never say this, the denomination is very much a mystic/esoteric branch of Christianity. One of my favorite (and historically very possible) theories about Paul is he was a practitioner of Merkavah Mysticism. (I might have spelled that very wrong…lol.) And his visitation of the risen Christ came to him during a ritualized, ecstatic mystic state. It’s a purely speculative theory at this point. But due to time, place, accessibility, and his level of education it’s extremely plausible possibility. And would definitely explain his radical “rebirth” experience, taking on Paul as his new name and shifting his entire life’s purpose to evangelizing Jesus’s words. I’d love to see some kind of evidence to back up the speculation one day, because it’s such a cool way to think about how Christianity evolved.

@davewilson4094 Great question! Kircher was a staunch believer in magic. I quote Manly P. Hall in the book, reference Giambattista della Porto, and quote from Oedipus Aegyptiacus when Kircher talks about carrying out magic rituals in religious rites.

Long been fascinated with the Dee-J-Smith connection! Studied Dee collection in the British Museum.

@@HowItCameToPass Oohh…now you’ve got me excited. I’ve got a copy of Manly P Hall’s “The secret teachings of all ages” on my bookshelf. I’ve also wondered how much Joseph Smith was inspired by John Dee.

Very cool​@@gwilymjones3476

@Lauriebellexec Thank you for saying that. To be honest, I learned that the hard way. I wasn't very sensitive and aware when I had my faith crisis in 2009 and 2010. I went through my anger phase, denial phase, etc. I still feel hurt by active Mormons sometimes, but it doesn't evoke such a strong reaction anymore. I don't know whether any of my children will stay in the church after they are emancipated. But I choose them over any religious system.

Me too , they know what they believe for sure! My worries are about people who don’t know Mormonism. ( I was raised LDS, now I’m free from they’re chains!)

@user-jl3zb9ej6d Thank you for the compliment. I'm doing my best. I think you'll like Chapters 12, 13, and 19 then (especially chapter 13). I am grateful to Dan for his work; great stuff.

I'm eager to read your book, and especially look forward to all those source references. I'll just beg ahead of time that you continue to add more footnotes and sources... those of us who studied history want to know all the little details of what came from where.​ I look forward to seeing what you've got! It sounds great.

the connection is hermeticism, kabbalah and its relationship to early Christianity and Kircher was gifted enough, to document the connections for all to see. This info was known a long time ago but it made mainstream uncomfortable, especially before all the influence on pre Constantine Christianity was well known. It is now. Its a huge topic and I'm glad he is writing about it.

😂😂

Joseph Smith never plagiarized view of the Hebrews.

@@RichardHolmes-ll8ii You were there? Did it provide inspiration or ideas for him?

@@RichardHolmes-ll8ii You need to read it. Halfway through its startling content

@Sis.ReneGade I do address this issue directly. It will be hard for many to understand, but Rigdon did not join Smith's church. Smith joined Rigdon's church, setting up his own branch of Rigdon's church. It was a merger, but it was not a merger of equals. Thirteen years later, Rigdon did not apostatize from Smith's church. Smith gradually apostatized from Rigdon's church. In other words, your thoughts are serving you well! I hope this little bit helps.

@@HowItCameToPass An August 31, 1831 newspaper article pegged Sidney Rigdon as the "brains" behind Mormonism, and that he and Smith colluded to put Joseph out front as the "ignorant farmboy" whom God had selected to restore the true gospel to the earth: "It was during this state of public feeling in which the money diggers of Ontario county, by the suggestions of the Ex-Preacher from Ohio, thought of turning their digging concern into a religious plot, and thereby have a better chance of working upon the credulity and ignorance of the [their] associates and the neighborhood. Money and a good living might be got in this way. It was given out that visions had appeared to Joe Smith -- that a set of golden plates on which was engraved the "Book of Mormon," enclosed in an iron chest, was deposited somewhere in the hill I have mentioned. People laughed at the first intimation of the story, but the Smiths and Rangdon persisted in its truth. They began also to talk very seriously, to quote scripture, to read the bible, to be contemplative, and to assume that grave studied character, which so easily imposes on ignorant and superstitious people. Hints were given out that young Joe Smith was the chosen one of God to reveal this new mystery to the world; and Joe from being an idle young fellow, lounging about the villages, jumped up into a very grave parsonlike man, who felt he had on his shoulders the salvation of the world, besides a respectable looking sort of a blackcoat. Old Joe, the ex-preacher, and several others, were the believers of the new faith, which they admitted was an improvement in christianity, foretold word for word in the bible. They treated their own invention with the utmost religious respect. By the special interposition of God, the golden plates, on which was engraved the Book of Mormon, and other works, had been buried for ages in the hill by a wandering tribe of the children of Israel, who had found their way to western New York, before the birth of christianity itself. Joe Smith is discovered to be the second Messiah who was to reveal this word to the world and to reform it anew.

​​​​@@HowItCameToPass and to Mormonish/ and Mr. Nielsen: Great info. But, if it WAS Rigdon's "church", EVEN IF js nicked it and made a monster after "HIS OWN IMAGE", can this event not be appropriated by "the extant leaders" so as to HANG ON TO THE "CHURCH" as it is now being reconfig- ured with all the "DISQUALIFYING" acts, nature, and history of js painted over, then just "carry on" and "move forward" pretending js never existed nor the CULTURE that is the very earth beneath- and within- which ITS STRUCTURAL FOUNDATION IS INEXTRICABLY CONJOINED? Because the corporation with ITS ASSETS and ITS POWER simply MUST NOT BE LOST!

​@@HowItCameToPasswow...makes sense of a "wonder" ive been trying to figure out for years! Haha. Like, "I wonder why..." Fascinating way to look at it

Agreed. Just use ChatGPT for about 5 minutes and it debunks any of these logical leaps.

@goonfarb6969 You are quite welcome. We are all in this together. More than we sometimes think!

@@HowItCameToPass Great work, thank you. Just bought the ebook. Blessings!

That lie has been throughly debunked. That book has nothing to do with the Book of Mormon

@@donaldjones9830 LOL. I just read it. START on Page 80. It is impressive. Gee, I wonder where Joseph could ever had gotten the idea????

@@donaldjones9830 Elder B.H. Roberts found 18 similarities between Hebrews and BoM

@@krismurphy7711 Nonsense. The Book of Mormon started off in Jerusalem and they ended up in the US. The Book of Mormon was written in reformed Egyptian. The Book of Mormon has nothing to do with that book you mentioned. It has been through,y debunked. Sorry.

@@krismurphy7711 You’ve never read the Book of Mormon and then prayed about it as Moroni 10: 3-5 says. Anti Mormon sentiment is just that. Propaganda.

I'm so sorry for the loss of your son. I hope you can find peace.

I served as Branch President in Santa Ana and Imuris. I was also in Hermosillo, Nacozari, and some other small villages. We've got to get this information to them!

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Nelson's attempts to quash things only end up drawing more attention to them. Same story with his talk mentioning the return of Elijah at the Kirtland temple and the sealing keys, etc. Now everybody's going to get familiar with the history (or lack thereof) that indicates that not even Joseph Smith thought that Elijah had returned yet.

@larryblack. Was it not rmn who in recent history actually went through an immensely convoluted "explanation" of how "mor + mon" come to mean "More Good" [in a kind of defense of "charitable" doings vis a vis the HUGE church publicity campaigns and the equally HUGE $$$ expenditures for them?] If not he, who was that, please?

No. You're making it far too conspiratorial. As an apostle, President Nelson has been trying to get rid of "Mormon" as a reference term for decades and decades. The actual explanation is not sinister and follows Occam's razor. Prophets are human. Prophets are fallible. Prophets usually don't speak for God. In fact, they rarely say "thus saith the Lord". They have their pet projects, their biases and their passion projects. This was Nelson's. Now that he has complete control and veto authority, his projects are the one coming through the organization. Whoever the next prophet is, the same will occur. It doesn't make the restored gospel any more or less true. These are merely standard things that occur through any large corporation and organization. The Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints is not a pure and holy organization. That doesn't mean The book of Mormon is not true, the restored gospel is not true, the doctrine is not true or that the priesthood authority is not present in the church. The church and its leadership is not and has never been without blemish. It is both the mistake of leadership and its membership that have deified both the leaders of the church and it as an organization. Continuing to believe such things causes rife dissent when ppl learn about the mistakes and missteps of the church.

@@TureRealD "That doesn't mean [x, y, or z] are not true." That's correct. The corporate nature of the church doesn't make those other things not true. Those things are false, independent of the presence of corporatism in the church or the human failings of its leaders. Nobody is so stupid as to throw out the BoM because the leaders aren't perfect, and we shouldn't imagine that they are.

@@aredesuyo Yes they are. That is typically what happens and you can't deny that. Did I say in ALL cases? No. However, it is typical. But you know this. Usually, someone has a problem with something a past/present leader has said or a policy/practice the church has adopted. Many of these "problems and question" are 100% warranted and do deserve answers and we should be asking questions. However, these paths also lead people to now FIND things that are problematic and PUSH on them. They then become consumed by them and believe this is indicative of most aspects of the doctrine, BoM or restored gospel as a whole. I simply have found that they don't typically correlate and it's someone's pride leading down a path that is hard to get out of without being humble. That's the experience of most ppl. I've seen it many, many times. I'm not a church organization apologists. I have my own issues as well. I'm simply stating that this 2 hour presentation just isn't very compelling. Lastly, I was addressing the specific claim that President Nelson wanted to step away from the term "Mormon" because of the Kirchner stuff. It's just factually untrue and shows a troubling ignorance that leads down conspiratorial dead ends. There are real issues within the church we should talk about, these are not them.

none of it reads like the book of mormon. the theory is that Spalding's writing inspired the book of mormon. Lar's theory still requires the idea that JS, Rigdon, and others wrote the book of mormon.

@@urloony Which is my theory. Not JS alone but with assistance or a group effort

@@krismurphy7711 I also watched the Mormondiscussions podcast, where Lars is far more thorough than here. However, his theory doesn't address the biggest problem of providing any evidence that Rigdon ever came into contact with Spalding or that Rigdon ever knew anything about the book of mormon before it was published. The Kircherisms are fascinating and the connection to John Smith equally so, but there is still no smoking gun that puts Spalding and Rigdon together.

What do you mean that stuff like this brought you back?

I’ve just ordered the book

Anger is a healthy emotion. Stay blessed.🎉🎉🎉🎉

Moi aussi!

@orisonorchards4251 it's hard to not. The lies and deceit

There are certainly connections, subtle references and not so subtle references woven into the history of Mormonism from day one. Just a couple examples from Mormon "scripture". I think anyone paying attention and reasonably aware can instantly recognize what Joseph Smith was thinking of when he called Cain "Master Mahan" (In both the Pearl of Great Price and in Joseph Smith's revisions to the Bible.) It's a simple matter of substituting the "s" with an "h" and not being an exact speller. The reference to "Master Mahan" includes referring to such person as a "master" of a "great secret". Reference is also made to an oath with a penalty ("swear" "by thy throat") that was a type of penalty and oath used in Mormon temples prior to 1990. Similarly, it's not hard to figure out where the name "Mahonri" comes from. Another simple swapping of "s" for "h" makes it clear. Tip of the iceberg type stuff. Brigham Young used to proudly wear his Mahonic (lol) pin in portrait photos. Church publications later on decided to airbrush out the pin. Seems like they didn't want the connections to be so obvious. Also one of Joseph Smith's plural wives (acknowledges as such by the Church) was Lucinda Morgan...widow of the anti-Mahon whistleblower, William Morgan.

Where do you find this imfo? Genuinely curious

@@jordanott5464 It's just been years of looking into this stuff. What really got me going down this rabbit hole was when they fired the BYU professor that discovered thermite from the 9-11 dust in NYC. Thermite is a residual from demolition explosions.

"and maybe consider why he was yelling out masonic phrases as he was being killed." - He may have hoped there would be some fellow masons among the attackers who would intervene and protect him. Under the circumstances, it was worth a try.

@hardwork8395 Thank you! Glad to see you are also a "hard worker." I'm excited to learn what you think about some of the conclusions!

@timhazeltine3256 Thank you, Tim, for this new perspective. All details are important. I'll look into this more, and if necessary, will make a change to the current or next edition of the book. I appreciate the perspicaciousness!

@timhazeltine. Yes! The way things "Come to Pass" is truly a "marvelous work and a wonder"! NERO was grandson of one of the elder of two surviving daughters of Octavia, SIRED by Mark Anthony after she was forced into that marriage prior to Anthony's escapades into Egypt and his descent into the madness of Cleopatra. Anthony himself was VERY LIKE Nero in his blood-thirst, violent nature, and his quite cruel creativity! All perfect traits to be SEEDED into that perfect soil.

Mormonish does not moderate comments. This seems to be a KZfaq issue.

Thank you! 🙏

@grittypretty "Do what is right--let the consequences follow!" I am grateful to the church for teaching me that, and more grateful to the exmo community for REALLY teaching me that.

I did like Nibley's "approaching Zion". But yes, I think whether he knew it or not he really stretched things and purported things that a more objective academic could not possibly do. I hate to label anyone as dishonest, so I think he was so in the apologetic zone that it got the best of him.

Nibley stated WHAT IT WOULD MEAN if it were proven Joseph Smith was in fact a moneydigger. AND HE WAS CORRECT!!

@@truthseeker4286I like the way you phrased that! Thank you. What a difficult position.

@greghardin2394 Haha. Make sure that you take care of yourself as you digest this new information. We are all in this together. Happy lazy-learning!

I’ve been doing it for 40 yrs (and back then I actually had to go to libraries). It gets fun eventually.

Can you elaborate?

"The" occult isnt a simple group of beliefs...many groups and individuals look into things that are hidden (meaning of occult) Mormons think they found answers to what was hidden. They are quite mistaken with most things. But not with everything. Seeing "the occult" as some kind of boogey man is a waste of time. Some "occultists" are terrible people, some aren quite spectacular.

@@charlesmendeley9823 If I may make a recommendation, read "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View." Quinn does an exceptional job laying out the common superstitions and practices leading up to the early 19th century in America, and then explaining how they pertain to the Smith family and the advent of the LDS religious system of belief. I would suggest reading this book prior to reading "How the Book of Mormon Came to Pass" for significant context. Explaining these elements comprehensively in a KZfaq comment is not realistic.

Glad the format and content resonated with you. Rebecca and Landon do such a great job. I ended sharing more than I had anticipated, and I am glad that I did!

@@HowItCameToPassGreat job? At lying about the Church, yes.

@@donaldjones9830 If there are factual errors, please provide constructive criticism using the Feedback form. Remember to be specific. Thank you.

@@HowItCameToPass If you are not a faithful member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and know the Book of Mormon is true, there is no way I’m going to fill out a form providing constructive criticism. The people who criticize the Church and Book of Mormon are generally apostates of the Church. All they do is lie.

@@HowItCameToPass Also, why focus on the theories about the Book of Mormon. It is not necessary or moral. One can pray about it as it advocates, without either members or apostates or non members promoting false doctrine or slander or speculation. Have a good day. You are just another channel not to trust.

Yes it has some very interesting ideas and claims. Lars will be in the chat tomorrow if you have questions.

Just watched the video on his website. This will be interesting!

I’m definitely interested in this. The explanations as to the creation of this book far outweigh the faith one needs to just believe the narrative.

I’ve already bought it and from what I’ve read so far (and fact checked) it is a solid read. Not too far into it yet but this is VERY VERY interesting.

@@funkyfreshtx I hope you'll like Chapter 20: The Quantification of Faith. I talk about this specifically. =)

I think your empirically evident biased efforts to discredit the book of mormon is exactly like using a whiteboard, etc. Though quite disappointingly, the narrative of the church is too often purposely incorrect, the truth is out there. But your empirically evident confirmation bias shows that your podcast is not a reliable source. And you've claimed that the BOM has been proven a Fraud as well as the older New Testament. Tell us, which of all the THEORIES, including this one has PROVEN the book of Mormon is a fraud?

@@truthseeker4286 Mormonism contradicts the Bible. Mormons participate in EVERYTHING Jesus asked His followers NOT to do. You might want to read The Epistle to the Hebrews sometime…if you’re truly interested in following Christ, friend. “Looking unto Jesus the AUTHOR and FINISHER of our faith; who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.” -Hebrews 12:2, KJV. Jesus didn’t need a disorderly, convicted necromancer to “restore” anything in 1830 AD. Jesus told us repeatedly to avoid false prophets and that God FINISHED his work when He sent the Son.

@@TalismanianDevil I do very much like the scripturereferences you stated. Thank God for the new testament.

@@truthseeker4286 Please read Hebrews, friend. The New Covenant is about abandoning Judaism. Prophets and priest are NOT supposed to interfere in our relationship with Jesus. It mocks His sacrifice. “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, if they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.” -Hebrews 6:4-6, KJV

To be clear, Jesus did not author or finish any book. All writings claiming to be the word of God or Jesus are written by men that we have accepted as speaking on behalf of both. This is an important point because Mormons aren't practicing contrary to God, but are acting in accordance to words written by those they have accepted as speaking for God. Same as you and the Bible. The discussion should be why do we follow men that say they speak for God?

@calebrockstedt Precisely. Kircher chose names for his slippery rabbi (Barachias Nephi) that were only in the Catholic canon, but not in the canon of the rest of Christianity, which would cause his Catholic contemporaries to question him less. He collected what he said were the bones of the nephilim and put them on display in his Museo Kircheriano, precisely because he enjoyed the idea that his made-up Nephi was a "giant" in the field of linguistics. Baruch means "blessed" in Arabic (with Barachias being the Greek transliteration of the name). Because Barachias, the father of Zacharias, was murdered between the altar and the sanctuary, Kircher hoped that this name would also invoke feelings of integrity. In other words, Kircher designed for his fictitious source to have names that agreed with the backstory of him being a part-Jewish/part-Egyptian rabbi, who was a man of great stature intellectually, as evidenced by his mysterious manuscript. I hope this helps!

Joseph did the treasure-digging magic thing part-time for 5-6 years because it paid better than farm work did. The fact that Josiah Stowell hired him from 80 miles away to come look for treasure on his property means that Joseph had already established a reputation as a "seer" by age 20. You don't go work for a guy 80 miles from your area unless he pays you enough money to make it worthwhile.

@@randyjordan5521 Yes, he was a convincing conman. He knew he was a convincing conman.

@@randyjordan5521 I also always love how in just about every aspect of Joseph Smith's personal history you can see names of people and places that easily could have served as inspiration for many of the names that pop up in the Book of Mormon. With just the change of one letter, Josiah could be Mosiah. You don't even have to change even one letter for Lemuel Durfee (the Smith's landlord) to get a shout out in the BoM. Ditto Luman Walters or Laman Walter. Joseph is self-explanatory. Sam too. Lehigh county gets a shout out if you lop off the silent "igh" (which was never needed anyway). Harmony, Pennsylvania gets squeezed into "Himni" (which may be how the locals pronounced it anyway). Hale, Emma can become Helama...n. (Gotta stick an "n" on the end to keep people guessing.) Mahonri just kicks out an "s" and a "y" and replaces them with an "h" and an "i". Pronounce a Spanish "J" and the Daughter of Jared IS the Daughter of Herod.

Don’t buy it. It’s just propaganda and lies.

@perrykim5 Awesome! I'm looking forward to hearing your reactions and how to improve the theory. Happy lazy-learning!

Or the church will roll on and these guys will disappear into history

Of course not, believers never care about truth.

It's not about changing TBM's,just getting at the truth.

@@Mikelray-df9my Thank you. I agree. Trying to get at more accurate history can be instructive inside and outside of a religious context.

@HowItCameToPass I appreciate your work.I can't imagine how much research was involved. Just ordered your book.Good luck.

It doesn't matter how you try to disprove and point out the logical fallacies of these podcasters, they will never be swayed because of their confirmation bias

It follows a typical approach at attempting to de-bunk the Book of Mormon, which is, throw as much crap at the wall, and see what sticks, in other words attempt to overwhelm the viewer with so many accusations that they are overwhelmed with the work it takes to validate the accusations. It’s sad how much time these people will dedicate to tearing something down. Why not preach what they consider to be truth? Because it’s a typical tactic of the adversary is to tear things down, I would be more prone to listen if they were preaching what they considered to be truth. This video is hard to watch. Try counting how many different accusations are made in this clip, I lost track after 5 minutes, there went 2 hours 14 minutes and 17 seconds of my life I will never see again😅

@@coryhiatt9152 Whether the guest on this video or his book existed would not alter the fact that the Book of Mormon is a demonstrable fraud.

@TheSurlyBuddhist I am scheduled to go on his podcast, explain more, and answer his question this Wednesday, April 24. Hope that you can make it live or afterwards!

⁠@@HowItCameToPassThank you for your reply! I absolutely loved this episode, and am beyond excited for your discussion with RFM. Also, I’ll be getting the ebook or audiobook! Thank you so very much for your work, your time, and acting in the interest of truth. I very much appreciate and respect you.

@Geoplanetjane. Hello, Geo! Whatever the auspices under which Dartmouth was erected, established, and elevated, its AGENDA was conceived "abroad". It can be reasonably under- stood that Dartmouth was something like a "house- warming gift" to the young America, BUT NOT to the continent's NATIVE peoples.

Since Dan Vogel's "report" about Dartmouth, putting that together with other things I've been studying for years but kept coming to dead-ends, and then the EPA disclosures, I feel pretty certain that if just my own little "suspicions" prove even close, that Dartmouth Connection could blow the Polar Ice Cap clean off the planet. Hope I live long enough to see it. It's scarier to "feel" it and endure the weight than any "disillusionment" resulting from diligent exposition might pose. No way "COVID" was fortuitous. "Nothing is hidden except to be revealed." SOOO many thanks to all (four) and each! [Just reached the part of pod in which you explained meaning of word "mormon"! I HAVE BEEN SHOUTING IT "PARASITE" for few years now, just out of my anger, and no knowledge of else! A "word-nerd" lifelong, I think that, for me, it's just that THE WORD SOUNDS LIKE WHAT IT IS!]

Good idea. And since Hyrum was actually a student at the "Moor's Indian Charity School" which was located on the same campus and out of which Dartmouth itself actually sprang...I guess Hyrum could also have been called a "Moor man". There was an early 20th Century psychologist (Walter F. Prince) who wrote an article examining the Book of Mormon from the perspective of the mental processes involved in devising names for a work of fiction. Certain types of names or combinations of syllables would be constantly suggesting themselves subliminally. The BoM is full of Mor + on syllables in various combinations. Ammoron, Mormon, Moroni, Moron. Prince suggested that the William Morgan affair may have contributed to this. (Morgan's widow actually became a plural wife of Joseph Smith). Add to that the possibility of MonMor being there. Also the "Moor" from Moor's Charity School.

Joseph Smith mentioned Swedenborg's writings, so he was indeed familiar with them. That's probably where Smith got his doctrine of the three degrees of glory.

Skip to the last third. That where he gets to the point.

The LDS church has over $175 Billion in liquid assets. Over $100 Billion in Ensign Peak stock trading shell companies. Over $385 Billion in total assets like land, chapels, temples, farms, businesses, etc. Yet prosecuted a hungry homeless man for theft for eating 4 chicken nuggets. The LDS church charges poor people tithing, 10% of their income. The LDS church counts member donated service hours has church $$$ donations to the poor. They lie about donations to charity. They treat BYU as a charity. They have repeatedly transferred charity donations in other countries to BYU university. They broke government reporting laws in the USA, Australia, Canada & UK. There recent $1 Billion in donations was to avoid losing their tax exampt status. It had nothing to do with helping those in need.

There is 3 different books which each have some similarities to the book of Mormon. there are theories of the Book of Mormon being an embellished chimera of the other books.

Mormon Stories Podcast on the Book of Mormon is far better done, much more complete & detailed.

@@Pay-It_Forward Hi, Thanks for the response. Does anyone really believe that Joseph Smith had any idea at all about Fr. Kircher? Linguists have tried, and are trying, to re-create the Adamic language. A lot of work has been done on proto-Indo-European, a recognized and scholarly branch of modern linguist studies but that is a far cry from the earlier language groups.

@@stephengriffin4612 Mormon Stories Podcasts talks about how Hyrum was at Dartmouth College for 3 years taking Mythology classes & was taught about this. Plus Hyrum was roommates with the son of the author of "View of the Hebrews" another book Joseph Smith plagiarized ideas from. The podcast claims Joe didn't even live in Palmyra until 3 years after first vision event. And that there was frequently vision accounts in the newspapers for years around the time of the revivals. Nathan Smith Director of Dartmouth College Medical is the one who did Joe's bone surgery. His staff frequently went to the Smith home near the College.

And what's wrong with that?

@@timhazeltine3256 I guess my msg was confusing. I meant that I am already promoting his book on social media.🤭