What are the odds that the person who told him to list it for $1100 knows the buyer?

The bigger scam is that people have been convinced that having additional ads in comics somehow makes them worth more.

No one made anyone sell anything. We all sell and take hits. We buy PGX with extreme worry as they miss everything and CGC is not obligated to call because for all they knew, the guy who sent it in could have married the insert. That's why you have a screen option before it is slabbed and graded. Elite makes a recommendation on recent sales and you can choose to sell or not. But under money duress you sell. He realizes all of this. He maintains a positive attitude because you don't have a better option. And it is a lesson learned.

There was a time when collecting comics was all about collecting comics…

How bout crack it out remove the insert and resubmit for a blue 8.5?

Look Don’t invest in comic books. Buy them to collect; sure sell extra stuff to fund your collection

Correct me if I’m wrong here but if you crack a CGC slab and resubmit then the pop count is ruined. Since we know this is not uncommon then wouldn’t it be safe to assume most CGC pop counts are incorrect?

The guy who bought it for 1200 will pop the staples replace them with correct staples from say a 190 ASM book and pull out the mark jewelers and bam it’s back to a 9.2-9.4 occhhh

im here for the sticky drama and the goose drama

Buying PGX with the intent to regrade and/or flip is an obvious risk that speculators take. Play stupid games...

This guy brought on a lot of these headaches to himself. Not feeling bad for making such amateur mistakes

I’m guessing this man is single, no way you would admit that loss to your gf or wife.

I feel sorry for the guy. $2800 bucks is a lot to lose. He got destroyed on every level.

Fuck me, thats terrible. Poor fella.😢

You will hear from the pumpers this is a time to buy. Be careful moving forward as the economy continues to struggle. Scammers in the comic industry will get more desperate as easy money has dried up.

Great recap, good lesson to share. Thanks!

Dan, I pay $4000 for my haircuts, so $2800 is nothing! 😜

How do we know this guy didn't try to get over by actually marrying a Mark Jewelers in there or bought a fraudulent one an didn't detect it? PGX is notorious for grading Frankensteined books. It's green because the mark Jewelers might have never belonged in the book in the first place

Of course they told him to sell it low, because they or a friend bought it, cracked it, fixed it, pressed it and got back a 9.0 or 9.2 blue label. A JOKE!

If you buy a PGX book expect it to be approximately 2 grades higher than CGC would have graded it.

I would never buy a PGX book at full market value. A person I pick randomly from my local comic book store can grade better than PGX. I have seen PGX books given a normal grade, and the book is obviously restored or qualified.

If PGX is involved it going to be a big loss. Yes this is very sad indeed.

One man's trash is another man's treasure...

Hey whats up? l dont trust the " experts". l have a large collection of Marvel and DC grails. If and when l sell them, l will grade them myself , maybe get some advice from the "experts " and ask what l think is fair. lf the buyer has a problem with it, they dont have to buy it. Only dude l took advice from was John Dolmayan, that was 16yrs ago, he had a comic booth at Frank & Sons collectibles before he formed Torpedo Comics in Vegas. He told me back then, buy all the Gold and Silver Age grail you can because in a few years, the're going to explode in price. He wasnt lying.

Cgc probably got it wrong. Who is inserting mark jewelers and why doesn’t make sense. Not logical. But a pgx 9.2 is a Cgc 8.5-9.0. I had an x-men 50 come back green label staples replaced from Cgc. I told my grading guy no way staples were replaced doesn’t make sense. Cracked the book open and sent it back in came back blue label and .5 higher grade.

Lesson here is be careful when you buy and NEVER BUY PGX

I’m confused. The guy first said that it was a PGX 9.2 and later said it was a PGX 9.4. Regardless, was the book labeled as a Mark Jewelers variant by PGX or did the seller inform him that it was a MJV? Either way, isn’t $4000 an absolutely ridiculous high price to pay for it?

He took a bath....... but if he brought it before Mark jewelers started to become a thing why was it married to the book also why would PGX acknowledge the Mark Jewelers.

Also anything PGX I drop 3 grades

I really feel for this guy but I don't understand how you think that it was CGC's job to contact him regarding the insert. They are grading the book that he sent them. If he had any doubts about it up front he should have contacted them to see if he could have the book returned as is if there was any indication that it would receive either a qualified or restoration label. Who he needs to be contacting though is PGX to get his money back as they are the ones that originally graded the book and either did not pick up on the married insert or they willfully did it. Then again is PGX even still around

Buyer Beware. I mean, do your homework. This guy got owned.

Good video!

Keep a watch on elite comics.....bet one comes up for sale with some of the same defects but without the insert.

What's a Married insert??

Keep it up 👍

I feel for this guy. Damn.

You have so much beef with elite that you had your wife make an account so you can still buy from them? You lost $2400 on Hulk 181 😅😅 You are a rookie. Why do ppl even watch you?

Ouch. But I think this is the kind of thing that happens when you sell under duress. He needed some money for something big in his life so he may have made a bad decision or trusted the wrong people and just took what he could get. Reminded me when I needed to sell my books or have the pickup repo'd. I took what I could get for them and kept on trucking... that I could have gotten more for them wasn't even really a consideration since I got what I needed.

There are several, but the #1 moral of the story is you buy PGX you're probably gonna get hosed!

s-dubya-p, not dubya-s-p but we all a lil dyslexic sometimes 🙌

and next... EliteScum11 will be selling a blue label ASM129 8.5 which has identical flaws on the cover. 😂

This is a lesson in compounding damage started by purchasing a PGX slab.

He could get it to conserved if he took it to someone who knows what they are doing.

Sooooo, did Elite take down the sale post of the 129? I went to find it, and it's nowhere on their wall. I scrolled down at least a years worth of their post and didn't see it at all.

Take out the Mark Jewlers insert and while the slightly rusty staples are open, replace them with nice staples from a doner Marvel comic from the same time period. I think it will come back a Universal in the low 9's.

if i understand correctly, someone put in a doctored ad of the jewellery shop that was in the original issue?

Watched this video. Was painful to watch.

Here's my take. I think this guy did the right thing at the end, after making several bad decisions. He cut his losses and got out of there. He shouldn't have bought the PGX book to begin with, and before you submit books you had better know how to grade yourself. Know the signs of restoration and tampering. Know who to contact for questions.

Stick Goose,Why did you sell your Hulk#181? It's the holy grail book of the bronze age.Yoi should waited till you had a better copy then sold it.

I never trusted elite comics, I'm glad they are being mentioned for what they are.

I think PGX has a little bit of the blame . The person who married the insert with the book has the most blame . And Elite has blame also for telling to sell so low. Definitely sounds like someone who knows them bought it for cheap. And they will remove it and replace staples with period . correct ones. Make a couple of grand.

Why didn't he crack it out and have the bs removed? Then send it back in? That's what the person who bought it will do. Then that person will laugh all the way to the bank after he/she doubled their money. Smh...

Rolled the dice and lost.

Well it just goes to show the snakes in this business still but I suppose wherever there’s business there’s gonna be snakes! Period! Still sucks majorly

ouch!

I would never trust PGX

Yeesh. Just rip out the insert and resub. Some people are just ASKING to be robbed.

Nelson munce stylee... HA HA...

Pretty sure I saw this sold on IG

Ive seen fomos take bigger hits.

Honestly this was mostly his fault

Can't be un-marry that insert for a Blue Label 8.5? I'd of called CGC on it and said I want it re-graded after it's unmarried! He ain't just taking a haircut, homie got scalped!

You're leaving out the fact that Elite will cover the buyer's costs if the seller fails to ship what was promised. You really have the worst takes on things. Anything for views, I guess. The Jack Doherty of the comic world.