G`day Folks, I had a request just recently for a video showing the manual point control system working. Here it is........the original video showing the system development is Episode 11. • Episode 11 Manual Poin... Cheers Gormo
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@alistairkewish651 Жыл бұрын
Frank would go bananas over your skill, engineering and great achievement. It is something I really admire seeing every point operated manually. No electricity supply failures. It is brilliant and testifies your dedication.
That is one serious feat of engineering to be well proud of !!!! Can't imagine how long that must have taken. Nice to see some 'real engineering' still lives on. Excellent video.
@greatchesterfordjunction Жыл бұрын
Thanks Richard, Yes it`s a bit of a process to make it happen, but that`s the deal when you decide to build your own. The first one is always the hardest one to build and from that you learn better techniques and methods which in turn speed the process up a bit. The old been there done that method. Cheers Gormo
@josefbuckland3 жыл бұрын
Sir I salute you. As I commence building my dream layout I still want to do wire in tube as opposed to motors. The primary reason is because you are literally operating your railway just like the real think a computer automatically running it really does not do it for me. But you have kept my mind focused !
@greatchesterfordjunction3 жыл бұрын
G`day Josef, Thank you for your comments. The mechanical systems are very reliable once you have them installed. A friend of mine who exhibits generally small layouts , nearly always does wire in tube for the points. The reason being reliability.......he does not want to be tracing electrical faults or replacing burnt out solenoids at an exhibition. They are also very cheap systems to use. Stay safe Cheers Gormo
@mikehebdentrains Жыл бұрын
Beaut! Thanks for sharing the secrets! Mike
@mikerees68714 жыл бұрын
Fantastic modelling and realism brought into the layout well done
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike, Cheers Gormo
@freightuk2 жыл бұрын
A good solid piece of engineering, well executed and presented, great stuff, Jim :)
@simonjames38454 жыл бұрын
Very nice indeed, only caught this as in my youth in the S&T the 'real' Great Chesterford, on the Main Line between London (Liverpool Street) and Cambridge was part of our maintenance 'patch'. The real thing was also a junction for a few years ? That is until the former 'Newmarket Railway' closed in 1850 (yes 1850!). Smashing bit of work on your 'frame.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Simon, Thanks for your comments and information about the history of the line. Cheers Gormo
@johnbellavich30634 жыл бұрын
Very inspirational as always. Your videos help to push me through my own challenges while demonstrating what is possible. I really appreciate your work and willingness to share.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John, That`s very nice of you to say that. Just keep pushing mate. All the best Cheers Gormo
@xpertllm4 жыл бұрын
In old days in USA or Europe and even now a day here in Pakistan the manual system is still working in some areas. What if you build it all on the stage rather then under table as it demonstrate more originality. But your have achieved a very high level of mechanical physic. Really a great job.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Zahid, To build the system on top of the board would require much finer smaller parts and too much trouble for my old eyes. It`s working now and I will leave it as it is. Thanks for your suggestion. Cheers Gormo
@fircombehallrailwayoogauge14302 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! That is real model engineering ! The planning and finish are superb, you should be very proud. Thank you for sharing your work.
@greatchesterfordjunction2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@peterburgess9804 жыл бұрын
Fascinating work. Well done.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter Cheers Gormo
@peterstecks76604 жыл бұрын
Every time I see another of your videos, I have to dash out to the shed. Stop it will you. Its nearly midnight...!!! ;) I've looked at the wire in tube system, but this takes the biscuit Gormo. Fabulous, yet again mate. Much appreciated. Peter
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Peter, Sorry......I`ll behave myself.......well maybe not.? Wire in tube is good for short straight runs, however the wire does move a bit inside the tube, which translates to " play " in the system, which translates into excessive, inconsistent movement at the lever end. The rods ( coat hanger wire ) behave themselves and give a much more reliable result. Cheers Gormo
@garydoc4 жыл бұрын
¡Hola Buenos días Gormo! I have to say, your creativity and precision model work is a benchmark for this hobby. Judging by the praise given by your channel followers, I am confident that my opening statement is deserved. Whilst I agree that, as in the real world, all things, in all walks of life, develop and move forward with their respective technologies, it is always good to be reminded of the past skills in technology that were the foundations of those particular fields of industry. Gormo, please continue to produce your inspiring videos which will provide the necessary encouragement for everyone in this hobby. Un saludo. Gary
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Gary, Thank you so much for your kind words Cheers Gormo
@alanswallow90334 жыл бұрын
Gee what a lot of work, but brilliantly engineered, well done!
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Alan Cheers Gormo
@sidoftheid4964 жыл бұрын
That is one amazing piece of 'mechanical engineering' you have under there. It works brilliantly and seems so much better than any 'electrical versions'. It seems such a shame for all that work to be hidden from view like that, so it's great to see them 're-appear'. Thanks again for a great video and well done to you.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Sid, Yes I`m pleased to say that it works very well and practically maintenance free. No electrical gremlins to worry about because it`s all mechanical........a lot of work though putting it in. Cheers Gormo
@dinmorejunctionmodelrailway4 жыл бұрын
Excellent piece of mechanical engineering to operate your points Gormo👍. 🚂🚃🚃🚃
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dinmore Cheers Gormo
@greatnorthernrailwaytother47114 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Peter, Cheers Gormo
@ralphviola65944 жыл бұрын
It looks very complicated and while it did save you quite a bit of money in point control motors as a novice I do not know if I would have been able to accomplish that without losing my marbles. Very good videos. Thank you
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Ralph, Sometimes I wondered to myself why I bothered.....but when it`s done you forget all that. Cheers Gormo
@Kettenhund314 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! I wish that I could have seen this video about five years ago!
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Sorry Cheers Gormo
@Castlebridge-004 жыл бұрын
Hi Gormo, it was good to see beneath the track board and high praise for your skills. I agree with you that handraulic lever control just feels right. I have three so far on Castlebridge temporally set up with wire but I will have leavers to move the wires (I am a million miles away from being an engineer like you) when the edging is finished. Barry.Devon
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Barry, Thanks for your comments. Your system sounds good. My friend Gary exhibits small planks from time to time and he favors wire in tube, simple mechanical operation because that`s one less thing he has to worry about when he`s demonstrating his layout. It`s also easy to fix / adjust if you`re out and about. Cheers Gormo
@michaeldavies96004 жыл бұрын
Jeez Gormo thats something else,i prefer this to electric points the movement looks better.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael Cheers Gormo
@milesjenkins14054 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm just getting into the hobby, and will be using manual point control. You have given me a great head .start on how to go about getting this working
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Miles, Well this system is full on if that`s what you want......there are also more simple methods on the net if you research it. All the best Cheers Gormo
@musoseven82184 жыл бұрын
Fantastic!
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Muso Cheers Gormo
@spottedzebra584 жыл бұрын
A wonderful piece of engineering Gormo! I see there are several comments about your layout being in the wrong region, tut tut, I think you'll find that "Rule 1" applies to those! Anyway it's GWR for Gormo's Wonderful Railway, is it not!! Stay safe mate, now go wash your friggin' hands!! ...Cheers. Les.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Les.......lol Yes mate.......as I said to Jim Ross up above......" nobody told me I had to conform "....lol So Les....I`ll just muddle my way through and bend a few rules as I go........let`s face it, it`s not real life.....it`s a model railway......an artistic interpretation of reality and it`s not hurting anybody in the process......so no apologies from Gormo Stay safe Cheers Gormo
@dickygeemusic4 жыл бұрын
Fabulous system. Couldn't help but notice the GWR logo on an East Anglian LNER railway.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Richard, Yes a contentious topic here......but as I said to Jim Ross above....nobody told me I had to conform. I think that`s the philosophy in model railways, especially if we think fictional or freelance. So I invoked Rule#1 on my railway....." My railway, my rules " ...lol Stay safe Cheers Gormo
@dickygeemusic4 жыл бұрын
@@greatchesterfordjunction Rule number 1... It's your railway and you can model and run what you like :)
@dickygeemusic4 жыл бұрын
@@greatchesterfordjunction Incidentally, I live in Essex, though London born and bred.
@@dickygeemusic Very nice, Last time I was in Essex was 2013. I stayed in Great Chesterford for one night. It had changed a little since my visit before that but was still pretty much the same. My Great Great Grandfather came from Great Chesterford and a long line before him also. He worked for the railways there. His son, my Great Grandfather came out to Australia in the 1800`s and he got a job and worked for the railways here in NSW. His son, my Grandfather, carried on the tradition and worked for the railways here as well.My Grandfather was one of the lucky ones who had a job right through the Great Depression. The railways had to keep running. So you see Richard, it`s in my DNA, I can`t shake it off......lol Cheers Gormo
@stretchedits4 жыл бұрын
What a great system of point operation you have there. There is something about the point movement when it's mechanical as opposed electrical, it just seems more realistic, maybe it's the slower motion you get with the mechanical system. Does it take much maintainance to keep it working at it's best? Anyway nice work, best regards Dave.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Dave, I must admit, it`s a pleasure to use the system even though it`s been there so long now that it`s become part of the furniture. The maintenance is practically zero. I have done I think two or three adjustments on three points in about five years of use. It`s very much a set and forget system. Cheers Gormo
@pauljames96264 жыл бұрын
Ingenious system and a great bit of engineering, but I'd go mad if, after installing the point control rodding I came up against a baseboard cross support right were the connection needs to be! Those control panels look really, really good - you've got me thinking how I can use "proper" levers with electrically powered SEEP's instead of those little toggle switches now!
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Paul, Yes.....the system requires some thinking outside the box when it comes to obstacles in the path of the rods......but every problem has a solution. You could use my basic levers with a rod / wire connected between the lever and a slide switch to activate the SEEPS. Cheers Gormo
@billforrest42054 жыл бұрын
Now that is some complicated small scale engineering, very nicely done! I like the "signal box" detailing nice touch. Wouldn't the "Bicycle brake" style cable straight from the control rocker to the points (Like on the awkward points) not simplify your setup for you?
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Bill, Well initially you would think so, but as it turns out, you get too much play in the cables which increases the throw required at the lever by too much really. Also you get inconsistent results depending on whether the cable is straight or whether you have a curve in it. I did really serious development on this system with loads of testing and the connecting rods gave me the best results, plus it`s prototypical in a crude sort of a way. Cheers Gormo
@rhiwderinraytube4 жыл бұрын
Really good engineering Gormo. I’m just wondering why you didn’t use the much simpler wire in tube method? Personally, I use electric switch motors under the track and the simple Peco stud and stylus system on track diagrams. Works pretty well for me.
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Ray, The wire in tube method had too much play in it, especially over a long run, which translated to too much throw required on the levers. That`s why I went with the rods. I have used the probe and stud method many years ago and it works fine, but I decided to do something different this time. I do have Peco point motors in my hidden fiddle yard as the manual system was not practical there. Cheers Gormo
@gregoryhale22024 жыл бұрын
Gormo, I don`t use the G word very often but in this case I think you are a Genius. How long did it take you to work out all those various movements. Cheers Greg
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Greg, Thank you for your kind words mate, but I`m no genius, I`m just persistent.....lol. The movements are fairly easy to devise when you implement a strategy. You work out an ideal place for the lever frame and then start adding the links to the points starting with the point furthest away from the lever frame and gradually work your way through the points until the closest is the last to be connected. Underneath my boards looks really complicated and quite confusing, but really it`s just simple systems and lots of them. So when you keep adding simplicity on top of simplicity eventually when you look at it, it`s complexity to the uninitiated. Cheers Gormo
@unclefranko24522 жыл бұрын
Wow thats impressive, my question is how long roughly did i take to complete that set up ? Im just about to begin building my layout and im trying to decide whether to use electronic points or rod / cable operation. Ps i like the door hinge supports great idea. Best wishes happy new year Frank
@greatchesterfordjunction2 жыл бұрын
G`day Frank, Happy New Year !! I have three point lever frames at the moment......one more to make. Each frame controls points on a stand alone baseboard......in other words, if the baseboard were to be removed, it has no effect on the rest of the layout. I plan routes for the rods to travel to each point trying to avoid overlapping other rods. So a clear path for each rod is desirable. If it can`t avoid overlapping, I put a U shaped bend in the overlapping rod. I would estimate a ten lever frame and connections would take me about a week of part time work. I guess there`s more work involved to install a manual system, however it is much more cost effective than an electrical system. The other bonus is that it is virtually maintenance free and very reliable. My first frame has been in use for about 8 years now with only about two minor adjustments. I hope this has been helpful......all the best Gormo
@unclefranko24522 жыл бұрын
@@greatchesterfordjunction Hello and happy new year to you Gormo , thanks for your reply, that all sounds very informative. I am toying with thr idea of using cables made from wire and plastic tubing This would reduce the need for bell cranks to change the direction of the rods ,( only an idea) im just beginning to build my layout so hopefully i can incorporate the cables into the boards as i build . Well thats the plan ! Thanks again for the reply, all the best Frank
@greatchesterfordjunction2 жыл бұрын
@@unclefranko2452 Hello Again Frank, Do some testing with your cables first. I tried that idea many years ago and found that a bend in the cable and wire allowed the wire to move excessively within the cable on the bend, resulting in not enough movement at the point tie bar. There is a wire and cable system used by aircraft modellers that might be worth looking into. Sorry don`t have the details but apparently there is no play in that system. Cheers Gormo
@unclefranko24522 жыл бұрын
@@greatchesterfordjunction Hi Gormo ,thanks mate you could be right about the movement in the cable Ill definitely look in to that . Ill see if i can find some info on the model aircraft cable, thanks for your advice ill keep you informed of the progress. Many thanks Frank
@jimross6234 жыл бұрын
Hi, exquisite engineering going on there. I am jealous of your skills. One question I have is, since Great Chesterford is near Cambridge, in East Anglia, many miles from the Western Region, why do you have GWR (Great Western Railway) stickers/signs on your railway? GER or LNER or BR would be appropriate for Great Chesterford, but never GWR. Regards, Jim
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
G`day Jim, Simple answer....nobody told me I had to conform...lol My railway is fictional with real place names.......that`s all.......my family heritage is from Great Chesterford in Essex so I thought I would use the name in my model railway to remember my ancestors. Cheers Gormo
@jimross6234 жыл бұрын
Hi Gormo, I spent 20 years in Uttlesford, which is the local council area where Great Chesterford is; I was living just south of Stansted Airport, in a village called Takeley. I have been through Great Chesterford a number of times. Long hot summers there. Did you know Essex gets less annual rainfall than the Sahara Desert? Though I suppose you must be used to extreme conditions at times in the Antipodes. Thanks for sharing your layout. It’s enjoyable and inspirational. Jim
@greatchesterfordjunction4 жыл бұрын
@@jimross623 G`day Jim, No I did not know that about the rainfall......strange.? If you are familiar with Great Chesterford`s station, you will see why I decided to go freelance. I find it one of the most unattractive station buildings I`ve ever seen.....but there you are....I`m sure it`s very practical.? Yes we have extremes here and they are becoming more extreme with the influence of climate change. Forty plus Celsius in summer is now more common and frequent than it used to be, however our winters are mild compared to the UK. Cheers Gormo