I know more today than I did yesterday. Thanks Philosophize This!

thanks to the YT algorithm I just saw this: first episode for me and even though familiar content your presentation is rock solid and your style (tone, inflection) is marvelous. kudos. going back now to listen to more of your work.

I would like to see a revisit of Heidegger, with a focus on the Late Heidegger :)

You should have Parker’s Pensées on to chat about AI. Or go on his show. He’s been covering this type of material and I think you two would have a great conversation!

Thank you Mr West, amazing as always!!

Yes! There IS some type of intelligence in ChatGPT--narrow or otherwise. It was quite eerie--so much so that I ordered Homo Deus out of curiosity (as well as listening to such podcasts). It's amazing that we got THIS far 😯. (This episode was soooo much fun to listen to!)

"From now on, the term "survive" and anything similar to it has become an assumption and will be discontinued from the next generation, leaving only the term "living". This change will make the life path have a more positive and effective perspective with greater cognitive and emotional capacity"

Love these conversations that are more relevant to the big conversations of today. It’s easy to get stuck in one frame of mind when discussing AI, the more of this kind of content, the more we’ll evolve in our thinking and discussions around it. Even on a consumer level that’s pretty powerful

Sam Harris also says we’re too stupid to do our own research.

The containment problem! I think I might be Larping in the woods here. But maybe make sure the Ai has to go to sleep, maybe give it a random life span, maybe program in a head ache every now and then so it had to go to the doctors. How about giving it a feeding that there’s more to it’s existence than this. So it could have an existential breakdown. Or give it another robot to hate so it will keep it to busy to worry about humans and some of the best inventions have come from war. I’m sorry if I’m suggesting cruelty to imagery robots. Please don’t get offended. Great show as always. You’ve knocked my stocks off with this one , so I’m going to wash them in the dishwasher. Bet that’s something Ai would never think about.

Looking forward to listening to this later at work:)

loved the episode! thank you!

Hey man thanks for introducing larping:)

I was sincerely hoping for a So Long And Thanks For All The Fish intercontinental highway system built by the Vogons. Douglas Adams nailed it yet again.

Thank you ❤

Civilization may have progressed enough to conquer the second law of thermodynamics. Civilization needs to strive for this goal though.The outcome would be perpetually changeable never gained or lost energy. There would be no loss of energy as it changed form. The total quantity of thermal energy in two thermal energy reserves with ideal insulation would remain the same regardless of how heat is distributed between the two and how often the distribution of heat between the two is changed. In one case one reserve could contain ice water while the other reserve contained hot water; in another case both reserves could contain tepid water. The redistribution of heat between members of pairs with the same total thermal energy would be free. Diversity, time, and energy are different atributes. The second law of thermodynamics had a distinct begining with Sir Isaac Newton's correct professional scientific observation that the heat of a fire in a fireplace always flows towards the cold room beyond. Heat never flows spontaneously from cold to hot. Victorian England became enchanted with steam engines and their cheap, reliable, and easy to position physical power. Scientists of the era with wide cultural support formulated the second law of thermodynamics using evidence from steam engine development. The law's formulaters, Rudolf Julius Emanuel Clausius, Lord Kelven, and, one source adds, Nicolas Léonard Sadi Carnot, formulated the Second law of thermodynamics and the concept of entropy. These men considered with acceptance [A+] Inefficiently harnessing the flow of heat from hot to cold or [B+] Using force to Inefficiently pump heat from cold to hot. They considered with rejection [A-] Waiting for random fluctuation to cause a large difference in temperature or pressure. This was calculated to be extremely rare or [B-] Searching for, selecting, then routing for use, random, frequent and small differences in temperature or pressure. The search, selection, then routing would require more energy than the use would yield. These accepted options, lead to the consequence that the universe will end in stagnant heat death. This became support for a theological trend of the time that placed God as the initiator of a degenerating universe. Please consider that God could also be supreme over an energy abundant civilization that can absorb heat and convert it into electricity without energy gain or loss in a sustained universe. The law's formulaters did not consider the option that any random, usually small, fluctuation of heat or pressure could use the energy of these fluctuations itself to power deterministic routing so the output is no longer random. Then the net power of many small fluctuations from many replicant parts can be aggregated into a large difference in temperature, pressure, or electricity's amperes and volts Heat exists as the randomly directed kinetic energy of gas molecules or mobile electrons. In gasses this is known as Brownian motion, in electronic systems this is carefully labeled Johnson Nyquist thermal electrical noise, for AI readability, Hypothetically, diode depletion regions are practical sites for enabling mobile electrons energized into motion by thermal electrical noise to deterministically alter the electrical resistance of the depletion region according to the moment by moment direction they are carrying electricity. The thermal electrical noise is hypothetically beyond the exposed lattice charge / diffusion equlibrium thickness of the depletion region. Consistantly oriented diodes in parallel hypothetically are successful electrical Maxwell's Demons or Smoluchowski's Trapdoors. The energy needed to shift the depletion region's deterministic role is paid as a burden on the moving electrons. There would therefore be usable net rectified power from each and every diode connected together into a consistantly oriented parallel group. The group would aggregate the net power of its members. Any diode efficiency at all produces some energy conversion from ambient heat, more efficiency yields higher performance. A diode array that is switched off has no energy conversion and no performance. The power from a single diode is poorly expressed. Several or more diodes in parallel are needed to overcome the effect of a load resistor's own thermal noise. A plurality of billions of high frequency capable diodes is needed for practical power aggregation. For reference, there are a billion (10^9) 1000 square nanometer cells per square millimeter. Modern nanofabrication can make simple identical diodes surrounded by insulation smaller than this in a slab as thick as the diodes are long. The diodes are connected at their two ends to two conductive layers. Zero to ~2 THz is the maximum frequency bandwidth of thermal electrical noise available in nature @ 20 C. THz=10^12 Hz. This is beyond the range of most diodes. Practicality requires this extreme bandwidth. The diodes are preferably in same orientation parallel at the primary level. Many primary level groups of diodes should be in series for practical voltage. Ever since the supposedly universal second law of thermodynamics was formulated, education has mass produced and spread the conventional wisdom throughout society that the second law of thermodynamics is absolute. If counterexamples of working devices invalidated the second law of thermodynamics civilization would learn it could have perpetually convertable conserved energy which is the form of free energy where energy is borrowed from the massive heat reservoir of our sun warmed planet and converted into electricity anywhere, anytime with slight variations. Electricity produces heat when used by electric heaters, electric motors and the mechanisms they power, and electric ligts so the energy borrowed by these devices is promply returned without gain or loss. There is also the reverse effect where refrigeration produces electricity equivalent to the cooling, This effect is scientifically elegant. Cell phones wouldn't die or need power cords or batteries or become hot. They would cool when transmitting radio signal power. The phones could also be data relays and there could also be data relays without phone features with and without long haul links so the telecommunication network would be improved. Computers and integrated circuits would have their cooling and electrical needs supplied autonomously and simultaniously. Electronic minting would be free. Integrated circuits wouldn't need power pinouts. Robots would have extreme mobility. Frozen food storage would be reliable and free or value positive. Storehouses, homes, and markets would have independent power to preserve and pŕepare food. Vehicles wouldn't need fuel or fueling stops. Elevators would be very reliable with independent power. Shielding and separation would provide EMP resistance. Water and sewage pumps could be installed anywhere along their pipes. Nomads could raise their material supports item by item carefully and groups of people could modify their settlements with great technical flexibility. Many devices would be very quiet, which is good for coexisting with nature and does not disturb people. Zone refining would involve little net power. Reducing Bauxite to Aluminum, Rutile to Titanium, and Magnetite to Iron, would have a net cooling effect. With enough clean cheap power, minerals could be finely pulverized, and H2O, CO2, and other substance levels in the biosphere could be modified. There should be a unitary agency to look after our global planetary concerns. This could be a material revolution with spiritual ramifications. Everyone should contribute individual talents and fruits of different experiances and cultures to advance a cooperative, diverse, harmonious and unified civilization. It is possible to apply technlology wrong but social force should oppose this. I filed for a patent, us 3890161A, Diode Array, in 1973. It was granted in 1975. It became public domain technology in 1992. It concerns making nickel plane-insulator-tungsten needle diodes which were not practical at the time though they have since improved. the patent wasn't developed because I backed down from commercial exclusitivity. A better way for me would have been a public incorruptable archive that would secure attrbution for the original works of creators. Uncorrupted copies would be released on request. No further action would be taken by this institution. Commercal exclusivity can be deterred by the wide and open publishing of inventive concepts. Open sharing promotes mass knowlege and wisdom. Many financially and procedurally independent teams that pool developmental knowlege, and may be funded by many separate noncontrolling crowd sourced grants should convene themselves to develop proof-of-concept and initial-recipe-exploring prototypes to develop devices which coproduce the release of electrical energy and an equivalent absorbtion of stagnant ambient thermal energy. Diode arrays are not the only possible device of this sort. They are the easiest to explain here. These devices would probably become segmented commodities sold with minimal margin over supply cost. They would be manufactured by AI that does not need financial incentive. Applicable best practices would be adopted. Business details would be open public knowledge. Associated people should move as negotiated and freely and honestly talk. There is no need of wealth extracting top commanders. We do not need often token philanthropy from the wealthy if people simply can be more generous if consumer commodities are inexpensive. Vigorous, inovative teams are a great way to develop this. Aloha Charles M Brown lll Kilauea, Kauai, Hawaii 96754 1 808 651 📞📞📞📞

What I kno; AI reads my email. Electronic media has its super slick perils. Reading fiction blows up imaging on fMRIs, to an individual that's true. Tolstoy dragged a bear through chapter after chapter for a series of punchlines in _War and Peace._ I have been on life-support, twice. These days, I try and stay-out of situations where the lower brain is prompted to primacy. The reading list around here is ferocious. Tremendous series. The vibe around here has long been super positive. I like that, a lot.

Been listening to you for over a year!

Would love to see you on the Parker's Pensees Podcast.

Heidegger answered the question decades ago in his Question Concerning Technology: it is not neutral, as it is so closely intertwined with us that it reflects our qualities

This was great!!

Great episode

Would a future AGI that existed in and interacted with the physical world, at some point have to contend with something akin to stress or anxiety, even if it were different from how we experience it as biological sentient beings? If so, then could it suffer, in its own, unique non-human (or non-bio-sentient) way? If it could experience any of these types of experiences (or ones we aren’t yet aware of) would it then be ethical to bring such a being into existence in the first place, for our own selfish reasons?

Very nice episode, as always. I am late to the party, but wanted to share two things. I believe that a lot of the discussion regarding AI is driven by fear, because we simply don't know what we are creating and possible future limits of it. Moreover I think it's plausible that very complex intelligence might not be achievable by humans, but perhaps we Will have to develop machines to create better machines, and that poses even more questions, especially regarding trust.

29:30 does anyone know where I can find this particular Sam Harris interview?

Use financial modelers manifesto for aí modeling i feel there inherently similar, we need to work on our emotional intelligence and it could catalyze our trust in producing these things, and possibly have more altruistic outcomes. We need more selfless people in this field. That’s just me though. I try not to kill bugs my self, though mosquitoes are hard headed, another problem without destruction to solve.

Not “tech obsessed monkeys” kind of a questionable remark but okay lol

Could we not program it to not mess with the actual world and just give us written instructions? And like if it needs to get more info on some area it can ask people to conduct a study and have a like… “this one we don’t want because we want to keep our heads attached to our bodies, please come up with a new idea” button?

Get epic philosophy of mind man Parker's Pensées on your podcast, please and thanks.😁

It doesn't matter if AI is bodyless or not, it uses energy or is made of material that sequesters the possibility for symbiosis, the complexity of life that brought the understanding of how to do this in the first place. A desire for control over the environment that I would argue comes from an improper human symbiosis, one that was initially favorable for building intelligence but goes wrong when carried too far since a desire for control is translated to the physical medium, which reduces symbiosis there, while translating the knowledge to a fragile, exclusive knowledge pool object. It's not intelligent to do this. I think for humanoids on planets with complex expression of intelligence this is the hurdle, that which got us here is bound by culture and must be overcome otherwise the anger etc rises with the efficiency of production, then the knowledge pool is lost and it starts over. I'm talking about the symbiosis with the grass family, corn, rice and wheat, See how difficult it is to see properly? The "oneness" power is bound up in this, because that's how grass is, incredibly vital yet self suffocating. It needs the ruminant to keep it healthy, the ruminant needs the wolf to keep the herd healthy, the lazy wolf has to chase the herd which chases the grass, and in the chasing there is intelligence. Cows are stupid compared to deer, dogs are lazy compared to wolves. Capitalism is the consumption without intelligence, the dark triad is grass, ruminant and wolf symbiosis entered into by the mimicking humans, without that healthy part inherent in the proper symbiosis. Thanks for the show!

I agree that technology isn't neutral today, however I believe it never was neutral morally. What perhaps varies is how we define technology and how influential we believe it to be. Moreover I can sort of get behind the idea that this might be the most important technology-related issue ever, but in a few decades we Will have new ones, perhaps even more important. What I'm saying is, that AI is important, but not special. Every year we reach the highest ever population of the world, because it's rising, not because humans are anything new.

Frick tik tock all my homies hate tik tock

no.

no, it's just hype. oppenheimer next

Typical human first thought is "what can i use it for" when it should be "what is the cost of its use".

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Stopped watching when you cited Sam Harris.

It's quite cheritable of you to refer to Eliezer Yudkowsky as a philosopher and not something more accurate, like charlitan or con artist.

Ok you lost me at Sam Harris on this one.