Haha, thanks!! They’re lots of fun…. and very comfy too!

Thank you! Thank you! Oh this makes us so happy. We wanted to educate viewers and show that our organization has the credibility of massive experience and talent from military Special Operations, Baja Champions, and the Camel Trophy. Our hope is this leads to more support for our veteran programs and that viewers have a good time and inspired to get out and explore!

Thank you for the feedback; greatly appreciated. Interested to see what you think of the rest of the series! I was recently talking about the Xlifter with Atlantic British. Good to know you’ve had a positive experience with it. 🙌

Thanks for sharing your experience and appreciate the compliment!

Thanks for joining the conversation, and for letting us know we’re making great content!! So it was negative -20 out where we live last week and the air has just given up (lol!) so have been driving the coils while I troubleshoot… We’re going to order the coil spacer kit from Lucky 8 that will raise up the coil spring rig and improve approach and departure but it likely will still not be as good as the air in extended or super extended mode. In one of our other LR3 videos (on Fins and Things) we discuss the hitch we put on and why; chose the wide one to act as a skid of sorts to not tear apart the plastic bumper; even though we’d lose departure angle. We’ve noticed the e-trailer hitch on the black one doesn’t hang as low as the OEM one and the singular post of the OEM was getting jammed up on us at times in the rocks. Also it was old and corroded and operating it was a pain (lol!) Love that you let us know your color preference too! 🙌😃

@@MilitaryMobility I think the cold causes more problems with the air suspension for whatever reason because I live where it is down in the negatives each night too and it really doesn’t like waking up in the morning. Coils going on my LR4 now although I have a feeling I might miss the air. I noticed the air riding pretty firm once up in off road mode and was thinking the coils would actually ride better at a higher than stock height but that doesn’t seem to be the case sadly.

@@thinde88 Another polar bear Rover like ours (lol!) Depending on what you’re doing with your rig you may not miss the air and have less stress in the cold with the coils. As you’ve been seeing on the videos and in the comments plan your tire size accordingly. I’d recommend no more that 32” with the heady duty could that give a claimed lift if 2”. The Lucky 8 SYA kit will raise you up a big higher (which we’re getting and going to try out, yes we’ll make a video!) but it seems like 32” is still a good limit unless you want to mod your fender wells, etc. Let us know how the swap goes! Best of luck 🙌

Thanks for taking the time to write in and for positive vibes!! 🙌 Best of luck with your rig, have fun out there, and Happy Holidays! 🎄🦌

Score! Great info here. We’ll def be taking a look into this. Thank you very much 👍🇺🇸

@@MilitaryMobility important to know that the SYA doesn't add 2.5 inch to EAS setup, but it does return the strut to the original normal position, and provides a bump stop if you have a suspension fault. It will add 2 + inches to coil lift as it does act as a spacer for the strut. The problem with running the SYA with Coils is that you will always have the cv axles running at what would be off road height. Basically, you're going to chew up cv axles running 4+" of coil lift. Sorry the comment is late, I just found your channel.

@@andrewmcgaha9629 Absolutely correct on all! That's why we discussed but we're very hesitant on putting the SYA on the coils. We now have 3x LR3's with two of them on coils. We may change one back to air as we really enjoy the towing, cargo, and height advantages so it will be worth the extra maintenance. Thanks so much and look forward to seeing you on the trail!

Thanks for sharing your experience! I believe when discussions of vehicle reliability arise, 9 times out of 10 for the Rovers it’s about the air system; which is incredibly capable but does require more maintenance, and with it the risk of being stranded.

@@MilitaryMobility with the LR4, they now added the timing chain dilema… thinking of getting an LR4 but that timing change fix is not easy on the wallet. Would be nice to see a video on the LR4 from your channel.

LR3’s are when Ford owned Land Rover, and LR4 are when the India Tata motors took ownership. The 4.4 V8 in the LR3 is a Jaguar engine that’s been around forever and is very reliable. The switch to the 5.0 V8 and turbo 6 did create some engine issues. There’s a lot more things to look out for on LR4’s and they can be great vehicles if they’ve been cared for properly. Here’s a decent thread on selecting a LR4… until we can get our hands on one. landroverforums.com/forum/lr4-38/best-year-lr4-features-look-111637/page2/

Hi, looks like we missed this comment initially! Thanks for sharing your experience and AWESOME you got out to this trail, lots of fun! Yes the air is truly a capable system that can provide tons of capability and fun. See you on the trail! 🙌

Great to hear! Keep it going and on the trail!

Thank you sir!! 🙌 Yes the cross link system is a really cool capability!

Thank you Joe!! 🙌🇺🇸

Check out the guys at Lucky8 they can help with modding the LR3.

Thank you for your service at a very challenging time for our nation's military. We're doing all we can to take care of those that take care of us!! That Bronze is an awesome color! I've sen it in person and liked it a lot. See you on the trail!

Oh thank you so much!! 🙌 Be sure to subscribe and stay tuned as that’s just Episode 2 of the 8 Episode series! How’s the conversion been treating you?

@@MilitaryMobility I did the conversion mostly as a reliability as we do 4corner states once a year (wish to do more often, but being from east coast and running a repair shop makes it difficult) exploring on our own Which makes me a little more cautious being in the middle of nowhere with no other vehicle around. As far as driving behavior i feel it rides a little rougher but that might be due to Extra load tires that i opted for as i believe they are less prone to puncture. Otherwise, great truck has been treating me well no major issues. Once again, great comparison, love your videos.

@@polasekkarel Thank you for sharing your experience with the conversion. Yes, tires make a HUGE difference in ride quality, that's why we had the exact same tires on both rigs for the comparison. Glad you're digging the videos and keep getting outside!

@@polasekkarel Don’t know if you will see this, but where east coast are you located? And do you do any fabrication work in your business? I’m East coast also and one of my destinations is Four Corners some day. I’m an Nissan Xterra owner, but hope to find a LR3 in the near future to add my small stable of OR toys.😅

Boom!! 🙌 That means the world to us, THANK YOU!! 🇺🇸

@@MilitaryMobility 👍 🇺🇸 Veterans are Tops!

LOVE IT!!! 🤣 One fun thing we offer at our courses is the ability for folks to not only drive both the air and coil themselves; but other types of rigs too. Of course everyone attending already has their favorites but the conversations and knowledge that comes about is fascinating; tons of fun, and most everyone walks away with a better understanding, and more experience than they had before.

Pretty much nailed it, lol! Everything else is just determining what type of person you are and where you want to be in terms of reliability, capability, preparedness, and knowledge.

Boom! 🙌

Best of luck with it! See ya on the trail

@@MilitaryMobility try to replace a/c compressor currently

Thanks for the compliment, we love sharing our adventures with others. We’ve logged thousands of trip miles on these rigs; with sound driving technique and judgement you can maximize vehicle preservation, thus any unneeded costs.

Great video. I have a 2008 LR3 had air switched to the 2 or 2.5 " lift with the old man emu coil over and 32" wrangler tires. This will get you a little more lift than the Atlantic British. But I too wish I could get another inch or two lift. I am interested in know more about the Toyota struts you mentioned. Chuck

@@chuckhardin4735 Hi Chuck. We have the Old Man Emu HD springs on with Atlantic British struts. Do you have Old Man Emu struts as well? We’ll keep you informed on what we find out for lifting that little bit more 👍

Hello, Roberto. Not quite sure what this is referring to; if you’d like to expand. Thanks!

Yes I have the same set up. Old man emu coil over and struts from Atlantic British. I didn't realize from the video they were the same. I too would like to find another way to get another 1 or 2 in lift. Let me know if you figure anything out. Thanks Chuck H

And also more info on the Toyota struts you mentioned in the video.

Thank you for the Pro Tip Diego. This is great gouge. We were just talking, and joking, on the forums about the BFH needed to flatten the metal. If some are unaware of this technical term, it’s a Big F’ing Hammer! 😂

Great to know you’ve had great experiences with both rigs and long term durability with the coils. The air is definitely great for certain terrains in Moab and we love our EAS; however for us it is not better in every way. Aside from what will be revealed during rest of the series, last week it was -19 degrees up north and walking outside in the morning, the EAS had completely given up and was on the bump stops with no hopes of re-inflating. Understandable that the rubber would contract enough at those temps to creates leaks in the valves, etc. So we fired up the coils and had a great day on the trail!

Thank you very much! That trailer sounds awesome; we’re looking at building one in the near future to run logistics out of for our programs. Best of luck and see you on the trail!🙌

Thanks Jason! That’s a solid rig you’ve got there; please share your experience so far with the 5.0 V8 for us and the community 👍 As for the comparison, please check out the audio at 26:20 where we mention that particular obstacle where the coils got hung up fell more in line with the “rock” portion of our comparison than “overlanding”. It was a pretty aggressive obstacle that most overlanders may never tackle so we wanted to be fair in that regard. We just couldn’t help ourselves from taking the worst line on the trail to see what would happen! 😆

Thanks for joining the conversation Frank 👍 Our intent in the series is to compare the two suspensions side by side; as these nearly stock setups are what many people commonly have and use. Hopefully it was apparent however we took that particular line to demonstrate the difference between the claimed 2” coil lift and the air so folks could visually see where the limits are with the coil. Agreed nothing trumps experience! We’re offering a Land Rover Essential Training course for those that want to have an adventure and increase their knowledge base. Details on our website!

Thanks Superman and good observation on the lsd; yes it’s been a very slight difference and easily overcame with proper brake throttle modulation. I suspect this may be due to the lack of the cross link capability which would put that extra bit of bite on the opposite side wheel when tacking an obstacle.

there is no LSD, its either open or an E-diff.

@@nickrobertshaw9692 Hi Nick and thanks for the clarification. Yes, there is no LSD in the traditional sense. Land Rover uses the term “cross link” for the LR3 which helps pass traction back and forth as needed between the driver side and passenger wheels. With our coil conversion we lost that ability however are able to compensate by using proper brake throttle modulation to allow the traction control system to engage and offer assistance. I believe this is done by manipulating the ABS system however not entirely sure. Lastly, we still have the center locking diff capability which is controlled by the traction control system. We’ve toyed with installing a selectable ARB rear locker but haven’t been so in need of that capability that we can justify the cost. Maybe down the road…

Great stuff! Best of luck in keeping it going 🙌

40mpg i get 22 at its best lol

Hello, thanks for the interest and for reaching out. Yes, we've been going strong for 7 years now with no end in sight. Please follow us here, on Instagram/ Facebook and send an email at info@militarymobility with ideas about engagement. Happy Holidays!

Hi Nick and thanks for joining the conversation. I’ve heard about the factory coils option; must have been pretty bare bones as you say with no terrain response; kind of like the newer LR4’s with only high range and low range offered only as an option with the HD package. We’ve been using custom presets on the GAP Tool for raising/lowering as needed; glad you’re having success with the Llams. Atlantic British offers the Xlifter which looks to have a similar capability; we may be doing a review on that in the near future 👍

Hey guys! Chiming in here, but about factory-spec coiled LR3’s/Disco 3’s: I have always heard something in the wherbouts of 24-27 ever came into the US. For what it’s worth, my info is only based upon info I have read over the years in now-ancient forum posts and threads. 🤙🏻

In Brazil we also have the S version. Coils and a 4.0 ford v6 gasoline engine. No sun roof. No terrains options. I think is the better for our condition and general incoming money of the population that can afford a old LR.

Hi and thanks for watching. Personally I would not recommend running 2” spacers or the Rhino kit on top of the HD coils for the same reasons that you’re experiencing; it taxes the angles of your CV joints too much and will cause problems. Not sure what type of issues you were having with the air to begin with but you can fix that our run the AB HD coils which are great, we have since gotten a third LR3 and put the AB coil kit on it as well. We love it. Best of luck and see you on the trail 🙌

We decided to make this series as many LR owners feel strongly about the air vs coils topic and there weren’t any side by side comparisons; just a lot of chatter on forums. The intent was to educate and allow each driver to define what’s their priorities are. In your instance it seems the “best of both worlds” is the air’s ability to change ride heights, for others the “best of both worlds” may mean offroad capability and reliability. We love the air but in terms of overall reliability the tried and true coils shine. We don’t have the spacers on our coils rig as we’re looking for larger coils which will offer greater travel however we have driven LR3’s with the spacers. Yes raising the height changes the center of gravity however it’s still a very stable and solid rig to drive on the highway. Thanks for the conversation and look forward to seeing you on the trail! 🙌

Oh funny you guys talked about this literally seconds after I commented. I too would be interested to know more about a toyota conversion. Does the guy have a youtube channel you can link me too?

I love the white the best too! Ha, but seriously we're on the lookout for a white one with a rear locker. Might go LR4 to try a different engine too. Thank you for the compliment on the videos, it's very encouraging for us and is greatly appreciated!! I have two observations about the coil lift and perceived height; 1) for that size lift we maxed the tire size we could stuff in there, as I knew we wouldn't gain a lot of ground clearance from the lift itself, so wanted to max out what we could gain from the tires. I felt pretty secure in doing this as these vehicles don't have an incredible amount of articulation (as say compared to a Jeep) so I felt fairly confident calculating what I believe the shock travel to be and maxing out the tire size so it didn't rub. Watch the part where we stuff the tires, think we calculated pretty darn good! 2) When companies say 2" or 4" lift it's really all rubbish, they do that because they think the customer is stupid. It's the coil spring rate that is important and will dictate how much "lift" you will get. And we have the heavy ARb bumper in winch so gravity has an influence there too, then add people, then add cargo, you see where this goes. I can only imagine folks who have the steel rear bumper, slider, armor, etc. For us light is right with these rigs as they are already HEAVY. That being said we might get a roof rack for one of them to help with long distance trips! Hope this all helps or sparks some thought...

Believe you may be referring to the rear passenger wheel at around the 3:20 mark. The LR3 (Disco 3's) are all electronically controlled via the terrain response system. As you see, it eventually did send drive to the non spinning wheels, or we'd still be there (lol!). The system can be manipulated for better performance by feathering the gas lightly until the TRS engages or by brake throttle modulating. In this example we wanted to show the difference of how the air suspension, utilizing the cross-link (which applies side to side traction), was superior to the coil suspension (when you do the coil conversion, you lose the cross link feature) but again can still compensate by brake throttle modulating.

Awesome, thanks Jake! 🙌

Hi, we go into this in detail later in the series 👍

@@MilitaryMobility Thx!

Haha, that’s funny. Tell us why, something you saw here change your mind?

Hi Paul and thanks for going the conversation. I’d say 45mm (approx 1.75”) is what we gained as well. As for the shocks I was a bit confused as the OEM shock is the air shock which would not be compatible with a coil spring, unless you were referring to models that came from the factory with coils; which to date I have come across zero in the US. I think that both Atlantic British and OME have been very conservative in their height to avoid ball joint and CV failure however the stock air suspension has massive travel and compared to how you can flex the AB/OME coils. Granted, that is why LR only wants you using the extended and super extended modes periodically and self lowers at speed (also for reduced risk of rollover). All that to say I believe 3” coils could be a feasible option if they were available. See you on the trail!

@@MilitaryMobility apologies for the confusion, it is the OEM shocks that came out with the.coil.only models done by Landrover. I have one.of these, and there are a few of them here in Australia, but the air shocks are also available here.

OEM 👍

È bello sapere che stai avendo un tale successo a lungo termine con l'LR4. Grazie per la visione, speriamo che il resto della serie vi piaccia!

Great info here! Especially if on a long trip and LR parts are hard to come by. Thanks!!👍

They are an amazing tire. We have them on three of our vehicles. We are based out of Wyoming and see a good amount of snow. I’ve never seen a tire that performs this well in the snow, the rocks, and the pavement. We’ve had no problems balancing 👍

@@MilitaryMobility Than you so much for your information, I shall make good use of it. Love your channel my friend! My wife and I have just acquired a 2011 Range Rover, that was very well maintained, so your info is invaluable! Thank you!

@@expandingknowledge8269 For sure! Oh you’ll have a blast in that rig, it’s all about getting outside, spending time with good people, and exploring 👍🇺🇸

@@MilitaryMobility You guys are amazing! 👍 🇺🇸

Hi Dave, please lend a bit more insight for us to better understand the question. Both of our LR3’s have the selectable Terrain Response System (mud, ruts, snow, grass, etc), Dynamic Stability Control and Hill Descent Control selections. Those are Land Rovers terms for the 3 separate features of the LR3 (not including the cross link feature unique to the air suspension only, that is automatically part of the EAS).

@@MilitaryMobility Well, when you got stuck with the coiler, you were cross axled, but there was no braking of the spinning wheels. So was the wheel speed insufficient to instigate traction control? It just looked odd to me.

@@davepb5798 ok, got it now; thanks for the clue in. When you switch to coils the one technology aspect you lose from the EAS is the cross link. You may know but what this does is help with traction by supplying the air from the up-travel shock to the down travel shock. One observation we’ve made and discussed in the series is that we have to supply a bit more brake throttle modulation in coil rig to engage the Terrain Response System than we would have to in the air (you still have to brake throttle modulate in the air, just not as much). Hope this clears things up.

Thanks for joining the conversation. Please explain your question further, I’m not sure what you’re asking us. Thanks

@MilitaryMobility You were looking for a higher lift on your sprung LC3, have you considered spring spacers?

Hi and thanks. Yes we have considered spacers, however the only available spacers we’ve seen on the market are the ones from Lucky 8. We bought them and have them in our shop but they would result in too much of a CV angle, leading to premature wear or breaking on the trail. Ideal for ground clearance and CV health would be about an inch more of height, not another 2+ that would be the case with those spacers. We’re also looking for bigger struts that have 3” of height instead of the OME ones that provide around 2”. Not a lot of information out there on other coil lift options though. The search continues…

Hi Gina and thanks for watching 🙌 Yes AB’s 2” HD coils (and flash) are what we have installed on the Grey LR3. They’ve been working out super well for us 👍

@@MilitaryMobility loved this video! Hate to lose my air suspension but I have “overlanded” 8 miles round trip everyday ato my house on a rural east Texas dirt road for the past 14.5 yrs. In the winter it’s muddy with water often across the road. I’m 2nd owner & have put 162K miles on it since 2008. Not too shabby but have done A LOT of patch work on the air suspension as you can imagine. I’m a rag pocket & couldn’t run it to the dealership (100 miles away.) So, it been me and a few relatives helping me out. My relatives abandoned me and said I need a “decent” and “reliable”vehicle and to scrap my LR3. Those were fighting words to me. I LOVE my LR3 and with each and every issue it throws at me I figure it out. BTW, I’m a 64 yr old grandmother. With red hair & a temper. Got my AB coil springs in today. Lined up someone to install them but need some guidance on the flash. I know to install where my scan tool goes after coils are on. My question is: after you did the flash did y’all have to hard wire it on the drivers side? I e watched a video on that and honestly, it scares me to have to cut and splice 2 of those tiny wires after identifying which 2 they are. So, how hard was that part for y’all? BTW, kudos on you working with veterans and thank you for your service. I’ll change my Amazon contribution to Military Mobility. Any help with the flash part of my conversion is appreciated! Thank you.

Thanks for your AWESOME reply!! ❤️🙌 If you have the GAP programming tool you can just go in the setting and tell the vehicle it has coils by selecting “coils” instead of EAS “air” and you’re all set. No splicing and don’t even need the AB flash device. Please let us know how it works out.

@@MilitaryMobility Thanks for your response. I went to my Amazon account to change my charity to yours & it appears they no longer offer the AmazonSmiles program where customers can select their preferred charity. Just making sure you knew.

@@ginacarpenter7835 Ah yes, forgot to mention that. We did receive a notice from Amazon saying that they were doing away with Amazon Smile. Donations can be made directly through our website militarymobility.com if you were interested in supporting the veteran programs. We have no paid salaries and 100% of donations go towards running our courses. ❤️🇺🇸

Thanks for joining the conversation. The Johnson Rods are essentially worthless because we have the GAP programming tool, which you allows to custom program whatever height you would like, which is a huge benefit of the air suspension. Our comparison is comparing one suspension against the other, warts and all. The lack of height adjustability is a downside of the coils. Also with the GAP programming tool, as well as several other brands, there is no speed limitation with the air suspension. You can go whatever speed you want at whatever height you want. We feel our equipment and comparison is very realistic of what most everyone has when running either an air or coil conversion suspension. We’ve stated we’d like to get bigger coils or spacers and you’ll see in the comments folks are saying there is a SYA kit available from Lucky 8 that includes spacers and limiting straps so you don’t exceed the limits of the CV shafts. Lastly, we’re more than happy to receive some spacers if you are kind enough to purchase them or make a donation to help out our mission. In all seriousness we are a non-profit that serves veterans in need (disabled, injured, depression and suicidal thoughts). We are able to run multi-day resiliency courses for them because of donors and because we run training courses for civilian wheelers and corporate teams. So I’d ask that you please don’t lose sight of that. We are very excited about our KZfaq offering and know that while we will not please everyone; many people love it and realize it’s a platform for meaningful conversations and to share our common love of off-roading.

@@MilitaryMobility Absolutely mate i understand completely but would be good to see a height fo height comparison of the two with reliability issues explained. I am an ex vet myself served two tours in nam with the NZ army 73yo right now hehe Cheers Cobber .....

@@chaquisa1 Thanks for your service and glad to see you’re still getting after it!! 🙌

Thanks for the feedback Robert, please let us know when you want to start editing our videos.

But tell us how you really feel! 😆😂🙌

LOL😊

That green is a nice color. Very classy 👍

We’ll check them out for sure. Thanks for the heads up, and for your service to our great nation 🇺🇸