Springs, piston seals, breach seals, are consumables. IMOA

Serviceable parts should be changed to keep the original performance....

Great show and interesting. Going with the car theme. An oldie getting some refresher work done, wouldn’t it be a resto-mod? And put it in a completely different category from vintage out of the box stock and or a full modded modern versions?

Repair or upgrade but keep the old parts.

The Venoms that fetch the most money are the ones that are aesthetically pleasing-custom stock, engraving, custom barrels, and so on. A Venom-tuned rifle with busted internals is just a brick with a Venom sticker. Within the spirit of the Venom guys, they made these modifications to improve the rifles both functionally and aesthetically. It’s hard to believe they wouldn’t want you to restore or upgrade the rifle as needed to keep it performing superbly. So, if the person who now owns the Venom trademark swaps the internals, it’s still considered an original Venom because he owns the name? But if someone else does it, it’s not original anymore? That’s just silly. Great debate tho. Loved it.

Just upgraded the brakes on my norton , saving up for a venom but it's a velocette, have a great day lads n thanks for the education 😊

Was it Gerald cardew who designed the airmasters 88 or John bowket.. Remember that rifle well, I bought a sportsmatch GC2 as it was being released

Each to their own I suppose..personally I can't understand people who have things they can't or don't use..great competition BTW and thanks for giving people the opportunity to win a beautiful rifle, I've entered 🤞🤞

Hello Gentlemen, Thank you for our latest edition of Hot Air. I'm not vastly experienced in air rifles, though super keen. I think the problem with older Venom tuned air rifles is that there are consumables involved that will wear out eventually. The older the air rifles are, the more likely they've been used, the more likely I would think parts have been replaced. If it were me, I'd want to keep my kit in tip top form. So, I think I'd replace what required renewing, though keep a logbook with photographs of what I'd replaced and write notes so nothing is forgotten or can't be argued. My Venom tuned air rifle, then wouldn't be venom tuned, in my eyes. I wouldn't be keen at all in buying a Venom tuned older air rifle as there are too many people to trust and I don't fancy that idea. If the gentleman who's purchased the Venom name from Webley, was making new Venom tuned air rifles, and I wanted one, I'd buy one, though produce a logbook with it, in case I needed to sell and produce an honest account of its history, everything timed and dated. I grew up in the eighties. I'd have loved an air rifle. The closest I came was to reading my dad's Airgun World when he was at work. The name Venom still makes my knees buckle. I wouldn't, however, even think about buying an older Venom tuned air rifle because there's too many people to rely on and to tell the truth. I'd rather buy a new quality air rifle from a quality manufacturer, made with all the latest materials, knowing it would last, with a warranty and knowing exactly what had happened to it. Sorry to drag on, everyone, but that's my honest opinion. Best wishes, Ian.

Don blocksidge. King of the engraver! 👌

I still wish I had my venom 80 😢

I personally think this is one of your best episodes...Indeed the debate is pertinent. Many of the Venom rifles were indeed an internal tune of the 'Power Plant' - Spring & Guide, Piston & seal - from my perspective, if these have been replaced with modern 'standard' internals (I would except VMach Piston seals and Springs being acceptable replacements - VMach has the Venom DNA via Steve Pope) it really cant be a Venom. I have a genuine Venom HW 35 'O ringed' Piston, which I'm putting into a 1976 HW 35 which I'm restoring - however I will never pass it of as a Venom, because apart from the Piston, its a standard 35 which as a whole, never been touched by Ivan, Dave(RIP) or latterly Steve(RIP). Keep up the great work

My favourite video 👍🏻 Love all my Venom rifles

My take on original is the same as my classic series landrover , to keep it on the road or keep your gun shooting sometimes you have to change parts, just keep it in the spirit it was made as close as possible, got into a big argument on here with a company that are taking out perfectly good engines out of classic cars and modifying to electric.

Great content Maybe go through a gun that is genuine And a fake in close up . This would be useful information Some fakes are so good or bad depending on your point of view. Money is tight and fakes will become more common. Cheers lads

Venom made back in the day were the real deal,could never afford 1 on my paper round but was lucky enough to get a verified hw80 lazaglide last year in a maple gary cane stock,it shoots mint so im lucky that nothing needs doing to it...if i had 1 that needed tweeking up then i would get it done...as for venom selling their name...well thats all they sold,the bame not their work!.some great tuners out there today that do work as good as, but if i bought a gun from whoever purchased the name in my opinion it would not be a venom. Great video lads,keep up the good work 👍🏻

I bought a gem from local gun shop it was in a state.so set about the restoration. Now it’s a beautiful mk1 tx200 and shoots awesome

Very informative very interesting information thank you guys for doing what you do, really enjoy your content, and I learn something every time I watch your channel, thank you 😊

Difference to a wall hanger or highly functional rifle.

Had a 35 ...could,nt hit a thing ...sold it on ...new owner pleased as punch with it..../ bought used cometa fenix .400.about 15ft.lbs. worked on the comb ..etc. could,nt miss...! // Match man and Gun...👍

ISP mk4 in left handed just needs setting up The lacquer is still wet lol

I think it's nice to use the gun in good order if possible, and if you need to change anything on it just keep the original parts in a box , so if you ever sell it you can pass the original Parts with it .

Air guns are so under represented in the US. I went straight to .22’s after my Red Rider. These new rifles are so cool.

I had a hw35e considered by many to be a classic. Owned it over 40 years. Binned it last week because I finally realised it was actually a piece of old junk.

Great as ever , when I was in the shop the other week, you had a Sandwell field sports HW ?? I looked a really nice gun

If the piston cylinder ring is cracked on a motor, it needs to be replaced and shouldn't affect the overall value of the car or bike. Engines have parts that wear out or fail, same with air guns and replacing parts (with originals if possible) should apply. Mind you, I would still like to know if it's all 100% original or been refurbed. If I bought it as a collectable rather than a shooter (I can't imagine buying anything I don't want to shoot) it's not as important if it's inaccurate, underpowered and basically useless, I wouldn't pay top end price for it though like I would an original in good working condition.

Interesting question about what makes something collectable. For me its what grabs me when I see it, could be the stock, could be its been tuned by a genuinely skilled gunsmith or the fact the stock is unique and the skilled work in the stock screams out. Some like the rare kit, I think thats what I love about it all as its very individual. As for price, tough one. Some kit shouts quality and skill, others not so obvious and I think and as a relative newbie to this I will need require more knowledge.

I have an Air Arms Pro Elite in .22 ( beech) hardly used but seized up any suggestions? I've been told that particular rifle was a bag of crap but was hitting bottle tops out to 40 yards right out of the box back in the day. All original not been messed with at all.

Loving the content on the channel. I'm after a air arms se90 used to have one many years ago. Would definitely want to use it. Been looking for ages. Nothing about. Look forward to your video's, keep up the good work

It is each to their own , do you put it in a gun cupboard and leave it ? Or do you use it ? Me id have to use it and make it so it is safe to use . The is no right or wrong answer .

Great video as always. Those are two beautiful rifles . Take care.

Great vid lads , keeps getting better and better 👍

If an original Venom or Airmasters etc spring was bent or broken I'd have to replace it. I can see how in a way that's a shame and ideally you'd want everything completely original but so long as it's done competently (not a hack job obviously) and to a standard that does the other work justice that seems like the only option. For me an air rifle being in good working order is a main part of it's appeal, at the end of the day it's still a tuned rifle. Venom HW35 with Schmidt & Bender scope, that's a keeper!

Alright guys I remember the venom tunning kits with the sticker but I thought when it was originally done buy venom they did the blue really deep black polished with the silencer , and like u said some of them was engraved really nice. But not sure about internals I no u could cock them effortlessly

What makes a venom a venom? Ive been offered a hw v glided by steve pope. Shortened barrel, fitted mod etc. Would that be a venom or just a tuned hw???

Realistically if u need to replace a leather washer..and its worn out..u put another one in....same for other parts.....

Think what I would do is put new parts for using rifle,then for resale put original parts back

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Service and maybe upgrade if good gun but ad rather save and buy new just me

I service my older guns to keep them up to spec

Same title and logo, as originally done by Lloyd from Blackpool Airguns featuring Tony Belas. Informative but quite as good.

Will always keep mi g7ns original

Gerald cardew was the man who kicked off the tuning

Waited 20 mins to see it shoot was robbed again

Can I win