Episode Three: Introducing our engines [Gen3 Unpacked]

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@Ever443 2 жыл бұрын

I have to hand it to Supercars and the Australian fans. All the other series are looking at hybrid and other forms of engines. Thank god you like the big thundering V8’s Big thumbs up and new fan from the US.

@Torquejunkie01 2 жыл бұрын

There is so little information in these three episodes, they could have easily been replaced by an infographic. 😒

@Chewbroccolii 2 жыл бұрын

Or a smaller 15min video listing key information

@matthewdouglas4791 2 жыл бұрын

I think we need to wait to hear the final specs before we are too critical however it is hard to think this is not a step backwards. Thousands of speed shops across the country are building these types of engines for street and weekend applications. Clearly the maintenance and bespoke add ons will be important. As long as the racing is more spectacular than the engines then all will be ok.

@change_your_oil_regularly4287 2 жыл бұрын

I disagree. Having more factory parts is an improvement in my view. One of the biggest criticisms of the category has been the move from near factory cars to custom built everything that has no resemblance to the car/manufacturer they are supposed to represent. Any move towards the factory is a good thing from where I'm sitting. Can't please all the people all the time I guess

@69VFVAL 2 жыл бұрын

Coyote good engine, timing chains its weakness. Ls3, proven killer. Now for the tantalizing 6.4 HEMI. The big 3 at it again? I'd love to see that. 🇦🇺🏁

@true5.012 2 жыл бұрын

Well that’s not an ls3 and timing chains are a weakness with a completely stock motor pushing 1,000hp banging against the limiter for 5 minutes lmao

@adrielle1i23 4 күн бұрын

sadly Dodge or Chrysler themselves is not gonna risk it ever again, SRT's been shut down and they're going almost full EV by early 2030

@crunchytheclown9694 2 жыл бұрын

Ha ha even harley doesnt make a 2 valve engine anymore

@mortifiedpenquin 2 жыл бұрын

There’s a reason why OE parts are usually replaced in race engines. An engine in the hands of a professional race driver sees far more stress than a novice on a track day.

@dons1932 2 жыл бұрын

But it doesn't matter when they're cheaper to rebuild. And that's the biggest point. Ongoing costs.

@mortifiedpenquin 2 жыл бұрын

@@dons1932 It does matter when a rod fails or piston disintegrates and destroys the whole unit. Let’s not forget this is Australia’s elite Motorsport category. If cost is your point why don’t we just stick a cage in a road going mustang and call it a race car. That would be far cheaper than a hand made space frame chassis. Where’s does it stop?

@dons1932 2 жыл бұрын

@@mortifiedpenquin It doesn't. That's the point. You cut costs where you can. I LOVE the engineering but this makes sense. Money doesn't flow through the sport like it used to (not NASCAR spec) so it's the only way. The chassis' are cheap. Way cheaper than a road car. Again it's the labour that's expensive.

@mortifiedpenquin 2 жыл бұрын

@@dons1932 incorrect, the handmade chassis with carbon fibre bodywork along with all the hand fabricated tanks, brackets fixings ect, custom harness and expensive motec electronics are not cheap and plenty of room to cut those costs. The gap between Supercars and the Hyundai excel cup is getting smaller.

@dons1932 2 жыл бұрын

@@mortifiedpenquin We're talking about the chassis base not the bolt ons bro. Race cars will always have bespoke bolt ons for racing purposes. We don't want to see standard cars racing - at least I don't.

@rainman3269 2 жыл бұрын

Drop the stupidity of paddle shifters and keep them difficult to drive to sort out the pretenders ... If not there'll just become oversized go carts

@smee8721 2 жыл бұрын

Go back to H pattern

@stewm1267 2 жыл бұрын

@@smee8721 it is irrelevant now. It's about as relevant as drum brakes.

@triumphstagdriver 2 жыл бұрын

I suppose the idea is to get closer to the road cars, which these days often paddle shifters. Though, the future looks electric and they have no gears.... Having said that, the fans would love to see a certain amount of difficulty in order to sort out those who just talk and those who can also do the walk. Paddles belong in canoes.

@smee8721 2 жыл бұрын

@@stewm1267 righto. Besides the point but ok. We will go with what you said

@smee8721 2 жыл бұрын

@@triumphstagdriver it’s old tech but it needs to go back to more power, less aero, h pattern ( or stick with sequential stick ) Make the drivers manhandle the car and actually race them. Restructure the pit stops as it’s becoming like F1, races are won and lost in the pits sometimes which isn’t racing. To me anyway

@jamiebeckf 2 жыл бұрын

I struggle to see $65K there. If i gave $65K to most reputable engine shops i am sure they will smash these for power and reliability. Someone is making a killing.

@dons1932 2 жыл бұрын

Didn't you notice the dry sump pans? That's 6 - 14,000 bucks worth of billet design and machining there. On 1 item. The balancer another 1000 bucks. The belt drives. Things ADD UP. Fast. Engines aren't as simple as they look. You've countless pieces that add together plus labour and electronics. All the MoTeC stuff and AutoSport connectors on the engine would be 20 - 35K alone. Moreover, an average joe engine shop big power donk wouldn't last for 1000kms living at 7500 driven at WOT either. The camshafts and heads are still highly strung to make these things accelerate out of corners. Again. Ain't as simple as it looks, sounds or seems.

@James-zj3ud 2 жыл бұрын

They probably could.. But could they also make it last a full 1000km race like bathurst? Easy to pick on the hp it makes for the $$$ it costs before you look at things like reliabillity and labor..

@dons1932 2 жыл бұрын

@@James-zj3ud And again, power where it counts. These things are measured in 0 - 100, 100 - 200 and 200 - 300kph. Being able to build an engine that can accelerate in every gear, at many rev ranges, hard, is a skill completely dissimilar to being able to build an engine that ONLY makes peak power. For something like drag, dyno or torching tyres. Have you seen the flywheels in these things? They are 2kg. TWO FREAKING KILOGRAMS. Paper thin. They don't even run rear main seals - the cranks seal on the sump pan and leaks until the engine is started and the oil pump pulls vacuum. They even machine the blocks externally and internally to remove kilograms of weight at a time. That's the level of detail they are at to get every last little advantage they can get.

@A_lesson_in_Hate 2 жыл бұрын

Three episodes just to tell us the engine capacity, how about longer episodes with real spec's and dyno runs... very poor content

@jasonmcmillan4373 2 жыл бұрын

No one seems to be talking about the serious size & weight disadvantage that the Ford engines will carry. 'Oh we had to set the Coyote at 5.4L vs the 5.7L LS for parity'. Did that parity adjustment take into account the weight of four camshafts vs one, the heads & covers that are twice the size, & the fact that all that weight sits up high on top of the engine making for a less than optimal C.O.G.? In any case, no Mustang carries a 5.4L & no Camaro a 5.7. Yet you want to tell us they are more relevant? 🤦‍♂️

@nickycrea6075 2 жыл бұрын

they are trying to tell us its more relevant but in reality its all to reduce cost.

@crunchytheclown9694 2 жыл бұрын

@@nickycrea6075 its about complex engineering decisions being clouded by marketing decisions and maintaining the illusion

@nickycrea6075 2 жыл бұрын

@@crunchytheclown9694 that is a good way to put it

@stgnsw 2 жыл бұрын

Just want to know if these car will have P888RITY again ?

@jasonmcmillan4373 2 жыл бұрын

Oh you can bet your $$$, I mean, '888' they will..........

@ec9832 Жыл бұрын

Simply put, if the Coyote was 5.7 liters, Chevy would be down on horsepower to the Ford or if the Chevy was 5.4 liters it would still be down on horsepower to the Ford.

@gregatoreganair.com.autrad2226 Жыл бұрын

I cant see the throttling horn thats fitted to the mustang engine in the photo Why is there no such restriction fitted to the chev engine 1:41

@payney23291 2 жыл бұрын

The price seems a bit high. You can buy a race-spec Ford 5.2l Aluminator with 580hp, for about 35,000AUD. Surely there isn't another $30k worth of parts and labour required to make it a 5.4 with 600hp?

@angron666 2 жыл бұрын

Considering a top racing engineer would be at least $150 p/hr working a 10hr day is $1500 p/day. Have 2 engineers working on this at these rates and your 30k is gone in 10 days.

@bremCZ 2 жыл бұрын

@@payney23291 Engineers are required to build the engine and the parts.

@jaydenritchie1992 Жыл бұрын

where can fans get a copy of the regulations of engine geometry capacities durations etc?

@arffadailey8055 2 жыл бұрын

Correct me if wrong. LS - Gen 3 GM V8. GM has move on to 5 Gen 5.3/6 LT engines. ???

@lawrencegatt4515 2 жыл бұрын

Well done guys 👏👏👏

@kungfuwitcher7621 2 жыл бұрын

Anybody know why Supercars has disappeared from BT Sport? Showed the first few races then nothing. Love watching Supercars in the UK.

@liamkelly2157 2 жыл бұрын

It's on hold because of borders

@kungfuwitcher7621 2 жыл бұрын

@@liamkelly2157 Outside of Australia then?

@liamkelly2157 2 жыл бұрын

@@kungfuwitcher7621 internal borders are closed

@WHOSIBOP 2 жыл бұрын

Are they going to sound like the triple 8 test car because that sounded perfect

@dons1932 2 жыл бұрын

Current engines sound better IMHO. Not having 8 throttles takes away from the sound, and always will.

@CP0rings33 2 жыл бұрын

From what I’ve read Supercars already has an exhaust setup ready for gen 3 or are close to it and may not sound like the TA2 test mule but I’m not 100% sure it could change

@CP0rings33 2 жыл бұрын

@@dons1932 agreed

@shawnboy4368 Жыл бұрын

Why are you using the LS3? For the camaro and not the LT1 genV ?!

@superisaac3303 2 жыл бұрын

Looking Good!

@brandonshuttleworth1293 2 жыл бұрын

Yes and what happened when Nissan and Mercedes and Volvo brought in there engines they were way down on power used more fuel and are the reason we have a minimum pit stop number at Bathurst because the Nissan used so much fuel . Ever seen a stroked 6l supercar engine ??? They make about 800hp sounds like great racing to me , what gets me is how do you save money when you have to throw out all your current inventory

@xiaolongbrawlergaming9631 2 жыл бұрын

They were just as stressed. All three engines had to be 5.0L, rev to 7500RPM, and make the same amount of power and torque at the same point in the rev range as the Pushrod Ford and Holden counterparts. 7500RPM is really high for a 5.0L Pushrod V8, but is quite normal for a Quad Cam V8. That brought on difficulties with making the right amount of power in a constrained rev range. That’s why those three manufacturers didn’t quite have the same success as the already developed and proven engines. That’s why these new engines should save money, bridge the gap between road and race car, and encourage new R&D that the category hasn’t seen for a few years.

@adematthewsracing 2 жыл бұрын

The current engines will be in Super2 won't they? The old Nissan engines are still being used there.

@felipegacitua4451 2 жыл бұрын

next thing you bring in the H pattern and Kmart sponsors.... Seems like we are beating a dead horse here. Bring in Super GT or DTM to Aussie so we can have cross continent racing and open the doors to more Australasian young drivers by introducing japan/european recognition. The more people we can get into the sport the more interesting it will be

@dinosshed 2 жыл бұрын

Need some 6 cylinder turbocharged engines thrown in so there are some characteristics between the cars. Remember how interesting the racing was when those lighter e30 BMW'S of Tony Longhurst, Paul Morris and Jim Richards were against the V8s?

@nickycrea6075 2 жыл бұрын

bring the GTR back

@thatsimracer666 2 жыл бұрын

@@nickycrea6075 sadly nissan won't bring it in and also doesn't fit in with the rules becuase it's a supercar and can't not be a supercar then it would just be gt3 car so it would be better to sadly have the new z

@nickycrea6075 2 жыл бұрын

@@thatsimracer666 I know that's why we had the Altima. I guess the GTR would be like a giant kicking dwarf and a pony in the face.

@sepsism138 Жыл бұрын

This is a step in the right direction IMHO, a Ford engine vs a GM engine as opposed to them all running the same thing more or less (different in badge only).

@glentight 2 жыл бұрын

Utter stupidity! Pushrod vs DOHC, if there is parity in HP/Tourque, there are Zero benefits to running a DOHC setup. All that happens is that you raise the centre of gravity of the racecar. Anything running that DOHC motor will have a handling deficit to the cars running pushrods.

@timjohnun4297 2 жыл бұрын

Unless they mandate ballast weights into the rocker covers of the LS, like they put it into the sump of the Nissans a couple of years ago. Given all the crying over COG parity I'd be fairly certain they'll address that

@glentight 2 жыл бұрын

@@timjohnun4297 The only way I think it could possibly work, for parity would be to make them ballast the bonnet. The coyote is just physically bigger, taller and wider. I just think that these vids aren't nearly enough for the fans who care about gen3 supercars. (More for casuals, not that casuals don't deserve to know.) You know, as well as I do that there is some *serious* BOP work to be done, and this seems like a needless difference (LT/Coyote). There's not a single Manufacturer team in the series, and they're not coming back. They should simplify things (to bring costs down). Call up the Hartleys (or another shop) and get them to build motors for everyone to whatever the price point is. There's no need for this mess..

@crd-nz_001 2 жыл бұрын

5.4L Coyote... I'm interested in how while keeping a lid on production costs. Stroker crank of 97mm can get the displacement, but IS a bespoke piece. Unless Ford are giving a clue to the future S650 road chassis engine?

@kylehall1220 2 жыл бұрын

You can get a 5.4L crate coyote from ford, its not some bespoke stroker kit to get it to 5.4L

@crd-nz_001 2 жыл бұрын

@@kylehall1220 your going to need to put a link to that part because I'm sure it doesn't exist. This isn't the same 5.4L that lived in the BA through FG Falcon, or Cobra R Mustang or Ford GT. They have a taller deck height to accommodate the long stroke needed to get their displacement of 5.4L. The Coyote is based off the 4.6L deck which is shorter by around 2 inches. Using 94mm bores, the engine will need around 97mm of stroke to get close to 5.4L. The Aluminator Crate engine is only 5.2L.

@motomenace86 2 жыл бұрын

the coyote 5.4 has been used since 2011 in the supercharged factory mustangs the gt and gt500s. The v8 u refer to in the ba through to start of fg is a completely different engine 🤣🤣🤣.

@crd-nz_001 2 жыл бұрын

@@motomenace86 yes, and none of them have anything to do with the Coyote architecture. So, the question of how did they achieve 5.4L out of a COYOTE still stands.

@motomenace86 2 жыл бұрын

@@crd-nz_001 go and do research. The 5.4 is slightly larger bore size then a 5.0

@peteraron2621 2 жыл бұрын

What will GM race in a few years if the Camaro is canned

@Corey-pd3mi 2 жыл бұрын

Corvette

@wickedleeloopy2115 2 жыл бұрын

Does this still mean nissan GTR turbo engines won't be invited to the party 🤔 hahaha

@ianbertenshaw4350 2 жыл бұрын

Nice one Larko ! The builders have a job ahead of them getting the power curves exactly the same . I can see a bump in the road ahead - RD or JDub will be into supercars management because the Ford has more valves than the GM donk 🤣🤣. Never thought I would see the day that a 5.7L would be under the bonnet of a supercar 😀😀😀

@jeepnutscotty 2 жыл бұрын

As usual Roland will blame anything and anyone for a loss, then squeel like a 2yo until he gets his way

@sharp_tooter 2 жыл бұрын

from memory, supercars only limit the peak power performance of each engine. There is no requirement for the power and/or torque curves to be the same. Each team can tune their engine to achieve it's maximum power in different ways

@ianbertenshaw4350 2 жыл бұрын

I also thought the heads had a maximum flow rating so that will be another parity issue that will need sorting out .

@kurtstrider3311 2 жыл бұрын

Gotta plug Nelson Racing Engines in California. You can get a naturally aspirated crate churning out 1080hp/890tq for $26,500

@macsmodels0565 2 жыл бұрын

Let's face it guys parity is set by a number dictated by supercars and delivered via software by the manufacturer. These engines were 5.7 and 5.4 long before supercars even thought about gen 3. And once again to be a broken record G.M will struggle with relevance because ain't know one opening the bonnet of a Camaro to see an LS except for a very select few. I love supercar racing, but I don't like being given a lot of platitudes to sell poorly planned compromise.

@ZedTee77 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been waiting for so long to to find out what the 5.4 litre coyote is all about cause I’ve never seen one! They usually are 5 litres and the voodoo flat plane crank is 5.2. I want to know engine details!

@Bigbigpoopi 2 жыл бұрын

Needs a Hemi

@ianbertenshaw4350 2 жыл бұрын

That would be an unfair advantage - it takes a Mopar to catch a Mopar ! I certainly would love to see a dodge in the series !

@psk5746 2 жыл бұрын

Cosworth DFV proved the hemispherical combustion chamber is not the best shape

@dongorney2533 2 жыл бұрын

The Hemi is heavy.

@stephenjames1443 2 жыл бұрын

Are these motors 4 nxt year but hey??

@auzzieworker5183 2 жыл бұрын

This is all good, But two valve and four valve I believe is the wrong way to go. Should all be the same.

@MrTonaluv 2 жыл бұрын

Nah it's all good - keeps it interesting. As long as 888 don't win everything.

@psk5746 2 жыл бұрын

We can't wait for GM to make a modern engine ... we will run out of petrol first

@germanturchetti6351 2 жыл бұрын

very well as it should be, Ford engine ford Chevrolet engine Chevrolet is what motorsport fans want to see we do not want the categories with unique engines since the rivalry is lost The Australian v8 supercar is beautiful. I follow it from Argentina where we also have the Ford, Chevrolet and Dodge rivalry in our TC. a greeting

@RideBGKY 2 жыл бұрын

I typically think the cars being harder to drive, but not bad cars, would make racing feel more exciting. Less techy, primitive machines (to me) looked better on tv. (90s f1, group b rally, Ford GT40 Gt3, etc)

@mountainconstructions 2 жыл бұрын

Nice one

@jacksonbermingham2168 2 жыл бұрын

the dead horse is gonna get the rider suspended for using the whip to much...

@glennhamnett627 2 жыл бұрын

Thong slappers

@purplehazeffc 2 жыл бұрын

That rear wing look way to BIG on the back of the Camaro.. Looks like to much downforce to me

@collinblack_60103- 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Larko, you're doin well. Keep us informed. Doing a great non biased car-racing news report.🤠🇦🇺👍👌

@Muzix2daEarz 2 жыл бұрын

Show whats da HP 750?

@bremCZ 2 жыл бұрын

Hell no, that would defeat the purpose of making them cheaper to make. The aim has always been to take out 50 or 60 hp so they'll be around 600. With the reduction in downforce it'll pair well.

@Muzix2daEarz 2 жыл бұрын

@@bremCZ that's sucks 🤣🤣🤣 I mean we all seen what the supercar had 650hp around 450atw why not up a little more for the gen3 ? Like 750 just saying

@bremCZ 2 жыл бұрын

@@Muzix2daEarz Because they'd be too overpowered for the grip and downforce.

@Muzix2daEarz 2 жыл бұрын

@@bremCZ other supercars around the world have no problems getting a 700 750hp of the start lol

@bremCZ 2 жыл бұрын

@@Muzix2daEarz Which ones?

@lesblase3667 2 жыл бұрын

I’m gonna enjoy the rest of this season & bye bye Supercars. Adios amigo 👋🏾

@clubsportr82001 2 жыл бұрын

seeya, u wont be missed ahahaha

@jeepnutscotty 2 жыл бұрын

Unless RD wins by 25secs he'll cry foul as always, even after he's signed off on it... This is going to be a parity nightmare

@XeKToReX0 2 жыл бұрын

Found the sourdough

@Chewbroccolii 2 жыл бұрын

Just dump NASCAR engines in them. They sound good and they are already made in America like the cars we are using next year. And change the name to American Muscle car partnering series.

@TechnikMeister2 2 жыл бұрын

Yes but those Nascar engine 5.8's have a 500 mile life and a valve train from Jesell that allows 9000 for hours at a time. $75k is too much.

@danielconnor7090 2 жыл бұрын

If you're concerned with manufacturer relevance, why go to nascar looking things? They look less like a production car than current Supercars.

@MrZillaman73 2 жыл бұрын

Go back to gr A rules and handicap the winner... Factory cars, stick shift H pattern..

@clubsportr08 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting a freaking lot said to say very little & then to repeat yourself, I guess us lesser folks don't have the brain capacity to understand.

@felipegacitua4451 2 жыл бұрын

They just don't have much to say haha

@bbmas1930 2 жыл бұрын

No ITB's! no induction wail at all. sounds like a tough street car. rubbish

@marklowe7431 2 жыл бұрын

Two very different engines now with exactly the same power curves. More excessive parity from supercars control freaks. Boring.

@dylanslaney 2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone in the fanbase actually care about "relevance"? I sure as don't.

@louielouie95 2 жыл бұрын

Rumours Say Ford Is Pulling Out Of Supercars

@jamesyoung8823 2 жыл бұрын

Ford is more invested in Supercars then it’s ever been. Every single ford team has 100% factory backing..

@pack2668 2 жыл бұрын

Why don't you show a sprintcar engine, a proper engine, compared to a supercar engine. Sprintcar 900+hp. Supercar 650hp on a good day.

@adematthewsracing 2 жыл бұрын

What's the cost and reliability though? They could easily get far more power out of these engines but the cost goes up and the reliability goes down. The switch is all about costs not power.

@toptorque9344 2 жыл бұрын

Rename the sport to nascar

@PurpleSectorMotorsport 2 жыл бұрын

The golden years are over. Just scrap V8SC and bring in GT3 already...stop trying to flog a dead horse.

@C88L10 2 жыл бұрын

GT3 is so boring, not that racing should be a demo derby, but cars that can't even touch each other is rubbish unless they're open wheelers

@PurpleSectorMotorsport 2 жыл бұрын

@@C88L10 it's a different type of racing yes. Perhaps something like what DTM did but instead we have higher horsepower GT4 cars (rather than their suped up GT3s). Then they can bump into each other still, but will be real factory cars rather than the Frankenstein "Fords" and "Holdens" like we have now. Be way cheaper too.

@XeKToReX0 2 жыл бұрын

Nope

@ianbertenshaw4350 2 жыл бұрын

Hang on to our V8s while we can - scaled up slot cars are on the horizon and if the climate change namby pambies get their way the internal combustion engine will go the way of the dodo 🦤

@C88L10 2 жыл бұрын

@@PurpleSectorMotorsport Fair enough, that makes some sense in terms of keeping all parties happy

@jamestom2510 2 жыл бұрын

Why make them equal, this is going to be like nascar....... i dont like it, next the body shape needs to be within spec, then its going to be tyres jada jada jada and the only difference will be the fibreglass body and its stickers. Not happy jan. The engines should be "go for it boys....."

@noelkeats4572 2 жыл бұрын

Well that is a useless piece of information, your not actually telling us anything new. I’m afraid that Supercars are dumbing you down Larko.

@tonybranson5809 2 жыл бұрын

Guys, I have watched for a while now and can't stand it anymore. I implore you to listen to the fans, they are the only reason Supercars exist. I hear words consistently used like "market relevance" and "Parity" which fans quite frankly have had a gut full previously. In regards to market relevance, the current V8 Supercar is a space frame chassis with a current body skin over it...IE Nascar. It has no relevance to a modern day road car therefore the horse has bolted regards this point so why now push for a change to engine package on this platform. With parity, the fans will love this all over again and would have thought Supercars had learned a lesson. Anyone with a small amount of racing knowledge knows the 5.4 Coyote will have a completely different power curve (power delivery) compared to the GM product. We all know that horsepower is secondary to how the power is delivered and its impact on tires IE. Power to the road. Larko, I have the utmost respect for you and your are an engineer at heart...I cannot for the life of me understand why Supercars are tying to stifle Aussie engineering and force feed this change to the fans. As a fan for 50 years all I want is brilliant engineering, best drivers exploiting the limits of the engineering. Why not set the overall parameters for the category and then set a "salary cap" per car. Let the teams develop and engineer the cars as this is what they do best. Suggest having a long talk with Larry Perkins as he has understood what fans want for years. Lastly, from what I have seen so far, the sound from the Gen 3 V8 is flat and drone like. This will drive fans away in droves and needs to be addressed. Just look at F1 and what they went through with the sound of the new generation turbo engines. Please, please learn from others mistakes. I am very fearful that Supercars are at a point of no return and it will be shameful to have such a world renowned, successful product lost through bureaucratic arrogance. If fans walk away, do you think wold class drivers we currently have will stay in the category ?. I want to "believe" but am concerned this maybe my last year supporting Supercars after 50 years.

@bremCZ 2 жыл бұрын

It's very simple. Money. The sport will die if it doesn't change

@tonybranson5809 2 жыл бұрын

@@bremCZ Fully support change and understand need to rein in cost but if fans don't attend or tune in then category will also die. Hence change must = improvement.

@bremCZ 2 жыл бұрын

@@tonybranson5809 And this change will make the racing better. Less aero, less downforce, 600hp. Great.

@tonybranson5809 2 жыл бұрын

@@bremCZ Time will no doubt tell...Less HP, less rev's (They haven't told you that yet), less aero and less downforce = less interest. Don't share your enthusiasm am afraid.

@bremCZ 2 жыл бұрын

@@tonybranson5809 Not at all. Less aero and less downforce is great! It means more wheel work and less disadvantage when following. That means closer racing and more driver difference than set up difference. And they have told us about rev limits, they have said the limit they are working on is whatever limits the cars to a maximum of 300 down Conrod. Less downforce means less power required to go just as fast.

@mgrant011 2 жыл бұрын

The coyote engine is a far superior engine what GM are using it to see how and when the bitching starts a bit paranoid and has GM fixed it’s a big issue with this engine