On the midfield issues. Even at Ajax he didn't care about the midfield issues like that. He sees football slightly different. He believes the rest defense is more important, and those risks are already accounted for. He really doesn't care about the risks involved/shots conceded as long as it means more attacking threat with an extra man. He even admitted this on national tv back then. The problem is we don't have the players to be secure in areas that are tricky when playing with so many up front. It's not a coincidence we have the lowest shots - goal ratio in the league either. Give him time & the players to build out the system before we judge him. He's not been able to work in peace for a single day since joining us.

Amongst the contenders for the people most responsible for United failing to finish top 4 this season must be the United medical team. They assured Ten Hag that he would have two fit left backs come January. So, the Tottenham lad at left back, was sent back. United have had to play half a season without a left back. Must have impacted results.

Last season we played 62 games (all comps). Nobody can really argue that our best defence was Dalot, Varane, Martinez and Shaw. *On average we could have selected all 4 of them in 34 different games.* *34/62* This season we can only play a maximum of 52 games (if we beat Coventry). Shaw is out indefinitely and Martinez will at least miss a month. (At least 6 of the 10 possible remaining games). No idea yet on Varane. As of right now, of the 42 games we have played - we have been able to, on average, field Dalot, Varane, Martinez and Shaw *11 times* *11/42* - and with the injuries it’s likely to be *11/52* come the end of the season. That’s just our defence. The complete disarray in our defence this season has been heavily linked to the glaring tactical issues.

Stay. For one fucking time dont take the coward way out and just fire the manager. We've done that for a decade. Just becoming stupid at this point

Biggest problem we have with injuries, is the mix of players. If we have to change a defender, it's not like for like. A lot of teams have backups that have same sort of traits, so will not effect playing style with them. We have a mix from 3 different managers with different styles.

Serious amount of short memories kicking about.

My problem with saying he needs to go or stay is that the structure is not in place. Without that, who is interviewing the new manager and giving the direction of how we should play. I don't have a trust in the one who is already there. So, the solution needs to be gradual. Let him see out his contact by doing that, and you give the new people time to assess and decide the way forward.

He has to be given an opportunity under the new structure with a fit squad and some new additions in the summer. That last pre season US tour was a joke lads

I want him to stay. Everyone has been highlighting a multitude of factors contributing to the team's present predicament. But a lot ends up with throwing simplistic statements like 'we aren't different from other teams who are also having injury issues...' or 'he's delusional because of what he said during the presscon...'. These are just driven by emotion and aren't rooted on reality. I would love to see how our team's injury crisis compare with other teams while considering factors like the player's importance on that postition, the impact of missing him (on the style of play), the quality of his replacement (e.g. how they jive with the others on the field... shuffles in center back pairings as an example) and if it resulted to forcing other players to play a secondary position just to have a fit starting 11. What I can see from the 'optics' is that we don't always have the best players (or depth) on each position as compared to top teams. Regarding ETH's presscon... It's easy to see that he is avoiding saying things that will further destabilize the team. I support him for that as I see majority of the players are still fighting for their manager. He definitely knows what's wrong and that there is no instant solution during this season as it requires a lot of things to change (players, structure, mentality). Like most dynasties in team sports, there will be a lot of long ups and long downs (where we are right now). We got to be patient with building up the right pieces and I believe that ETH is one of them. P.S. Maybe I'm one of the few who wanted to see the weaknesses of this team when playing against different styles so as not to second guess which players should be replaced and which positions we need to prioritize in the next transfer period.

Our squad needed open heart surgery, our players weren't and arent that good or are too injury prone. We lost that game against Chelsea but we lost Varane and Evans, those are two changes the manager probably didnt want to make. Next season should determine if we keep ETH. We atleast need 7 players in, a Cf, Rw, 2 Dm's, Lb and 2 Cb's, with a possible back up Rb.

Can we talk about the fact that in the 4 transfer windows since Ten Hags arrival we've had 10 players come in on a permanent deal. Two of them on a free transfers, one as a backup goalkeeper and Tyrel Malacia. So we've only made 6 real signings since his arrival. And we've spent roughly 410 million euros on those six. If we actually want to overhaul the squad we have got to scout for cheaper players. We can't pay an average of 70 million per player when we need a minimum of 6 players this window.

I think I agree with Ste, give it the 12 months see where we are

Ronaldo Brown asks what are the reasons for keeping Ten Hag, implying there are none, while completely ignoring the previous season and the progress that was made. 3rd place finish and 2 cup finals, winning one. On that alone, you can give him credit and then look at injuries and say yeah this has been a disaster but there were reasons for it. But he's shown what he can do when HIS players are all on the pitch. Another positive is the development of Mainoo and Garnacho under him. When you have 26 different back fours with zero playing consistency between them, how can anyone expect things like playing out from the back? It's probably a nightmare just picking the team, let alone getting that team to follow a plan.

He has to stay we can not start again. His vision is the football we all want to see but many of the players can’t play pro active. Injuries have crippled our season thats the reality. He deserves next season at the very least tho I think if he’s given the time he can build this team into something special cos his development of young players is exceptional and he knows the standards of top level football but he needs more players than understand those standards.

End of last season, we were all excited for the future based on very tangible results. This season got derailed with 53 injuries and now people want ten Hag out. Here's the thing: if he goes, the likes of Rashford stay and eventually get the next guy fired in 18 months. Let ten Hag finish the season, trim the squad further and let's see where we finish end of next season because I can guarantee you that a fully fit United comfortably finishes top 3 next season. I'm not even going to mention the time Klopp and Arteta have been given vs where they are now because I've done that to death. You want to compete with those above us, let ten Hag finish his mission. You want to push us back another 3yrs, sack him

Ones Screaming for Naglesman Or Flick or De Zerbi ,Won't Back Them long Enough To Do What's Needed To Be Done.

17 defeats in a season so far gets most managers sacked, never mind at an elite club

STAY because 1/ He is giving more time to the Youth teams who we are going to need to come through in more numbers 2/ He has a track record of developing young players at Ajax and Holjland, mainoo garnacho 3/ H has been instilling more discipline and changing the club culture. 4/ He already knows who needs clearing out. 5 / He worked with a strong structure at Ajax so can work with Ineos 6/ if you just got 2 ball playing central defenders his way to play would significantly improve (and more so with midfielders, striker and fullbacks) - he has not had sufficient support by recruitment in buys or sales - Rangnick identified a big number to clear out - and hopefully Ineos will do this. In a dysfunctional work environment even the best people start making mistakes and fail. This is happening to ETH. He has not become a bad coach overnight. While he is rightly criticised the end of the season can be a rest for ETH , the club structure with Ineos and the team.

For me, I would keep EtH. He's had to navigate his way through so much more insanity in nearly 2 years than any other manager in the league for a start. Secondly, whilst I appreciate the issues with playing style (or lack thereof), the injuries to key players which have prohibited the proper execution of his 'game' alongside the rest of the injuries too has killed him and the team. Thirdly, and many will disagree with me for sure, he's not been backed/supported by competent people above. Yes, he got several players he wanted, but good leadership provides him with a structure to work within first and then tells him "no" when he asks for an Antony, Frenkie or Arnautovic. That same leadership fumbles around and delivers Casemiro for a King's ransom, despite being close to 31, on a 5 year deal for around £60-70m. I'd hive him another 2 years, let INEOS trim and shape the squad, build the structure for him and if he's still not the guy, fine, wish him the best in his future endeavours. UTFR ❤

In 89 the pressure was really on fergie. I dont seem to remember too much after the city game but as the autumn wore on especially a home defeat to palace it was hard to see him staying. Although he was given a new contract in September and therewas boardroom chaos with bobby charlton who really stuck with him

Ronaldo, if you read this. Did ETH have full control of transfers at Ajax? No, he worked under Overmars. So way want he do that now? Way he did up to now, is because the one that was here when arriving, was shit.

He's got to get 1 more year so we understand properly what this ten hag era is

Last season I was critical of Ten hag it felt like we had to play the perfect game to win. I think the first 8 games of this season should have ended in defeat and I was furious I couldn't believe we got worse and we had martinez at this point. I want Ten hag to stay now the first liverpool game this season changed my mind I think i understand what he is doing. Garnacho mount hojlund and Antony are the key.

Keep him, but they have to clear the deadwood. Martial's a given as he's out of contract, but INEOS are going to need at least three windows just to undo the inaction of the previous structure.

The club have allowed Erik to dictate all signings, and none of them have consistently worked through either poor form or consistent injuries. Erik may indeed stay by default as there may not be an available/suitable manager right now. There's only four months until the new season starts, so INEOS needs to start negotiating now for the start of 2025/26 with no summer tournament and fewer distractions to hiring and firing.

My take is this. Under pressure, people revert to their worst habits. For that reason you train / work to establish a solid baseline, a best worst habit if you like. Structure, solidity, compactness. Ten hag hasn’t managed to do that in 18 months. Some of that is poor players / attitude, but it’s also on him. There are well known managers who have made their name on coming into a club and steadying the ship in a relatively short amount of time, often with lesser players fighting relegation, so it is possible and should be possible with our squad, however you feel about it.

It’s very sad that everyone has a short memory . Last year we came 3 and won a trophy. Then we had the problems with Sancho and unfortunately the injury toll has been horrendous. Even the new players were injured before they came , Hojlund , Amrabat. Then Mount got injured . The injuries to Shaw, Martinez, Malacia not to mention Martial we have never recovered from. Even players when they come back from injury need time to get match fit again so you suffer there as well. This season is just one to forget not analyse because there is so many things to fix and you always want to take the easy way out . “Let’s get rid of the manager “

So here’s why I back Ten Hag. Yes, there are problems with the way we’ve played this season. How many of those problems were happening last season with a full strength squad? And let’s be real, it wasn’t even a full strength squad. You could look at last seasons squad and see De Gea, Wan-Bissaka, Lindelof, Maguire, Martial, Eriksen, Fred, Sancho, Weghorst, Donny, Elanga, McTominay, all played considerable game time, a laundry list of players that you look at and think either we can do better or they can do better. Ten Hag hasn’t handled the injuries well, but let’s look at why. He wants a hard working, high press team, that’s his philosophy. Can he do that with Evans and Maguire? No. Can he build out of the back with Evans and Maguire? No. Can he play possession football with them? No. What he can do is try to be defensively solid, defend the box, and hit teams on the break. That’s how the squad has been built, from Jose to now. And we’ve tried signing players to step away from that but the core of the squad is still that. We don’t have that many players who are good in defensive transitions, who are good at keeping the ball, who can spot passes and link up together. And it really hasn’t helped us that the few who can do that, in defense, Martinez and Shaw have been out most of the season, and in attack, Sancho has been gone most of the season, Weghorst could but we didn’t keep him, Martial could but he’s been out most of the season, Eriksen could but he’s not got the legs. This squad has needed gutting since Jose left. Ole made a good start but Woodward just wouldn’t let players go, or wouldn’t accept the financial loss, better to keep players on the books even if they don’t play. What Rangnick said was as true then as it is now, you don’t need glasses to see it, open heart surgery, this squad needs tearing down and building up again. And I think Ten Hag is the right manager to do that with. He’s proven he can manage the squad, he can motivate players, he makes good decisions, he works well with the youth, he’s everything we would be looking for if we sacked him.

With Berrada, Ashworth and Wilcox only starting at the start of or after this summer. Rather keep ETH in place to see out he’s contract and behind the scenes the three directors can make plays.

I think what saves him is this summer is the changing of the guard up top Omar Berrada et al wont be in place yet. Give them a year to get settled in then decide, if we have to write of next season as well so be it.

PPL goong against ten hag just don't get it. Its normal the have bad season, pep, klopp, artetta and even SAF all have had bad seasons and only reason they are good now is because they were given the gime to turn that around. Why is ten hag the only one that doesnt get that time? When you are a top level team a bad seasn just means g nishing 3rd or 4th but whwn your curently just a top 4 team (which is what our squad is) then having a bad season is finishing 5th or 6th. Yall need to understand that. And thats despite him showing last year with a fully fit squad he over achieved and even won a cup. And this year hell likely make a final at the least too. We have had all our injuries in one place (defence) this year aswell, just imagine if we had concded 8 less goals as a result of having our best team. We would have won somewhere between 3-5 extra games and comfortably sitting in the top 4. If he gets sacked im blaming these fans who are ETH out for our inability to break out of the cycle of sacking

Class video lads! And let him see out the last year of his contract, or if things get better next year extend

Stay is my thought. He is dealing with players who have been through 4 or 5 managers. Give him next season with the players brought in by INEOS then evaluate if he is the boss to take them forward.

My thoughts are the same as Ste's. Let ETH do his contract with Ineos backing & I'd he recovers that is great we can just renew the contract. If he fails let his contract expire & let the new recruitment team do their thing

Ste you made a fantastic point at 30 mins in. He will definitely be kept on

Stay till Christmas cuz i believe injuries of Martinez and Shaw is not helping him to play high line & play from the back.... Must buy ... * Buy 2 ball playing CB with great pace so we ball high line

Nothing changes. If he i waiting for the perfect scenario to play his style we are wasting time as we speak. So much regression in a year - its crazy

I want ETH to stay and get a chance with an actual structure in place and a new medical dept (Isn't our lead doc the guy Arsenal fired after they had too many injuries?). I always said we shouldn't judge him until the end of next season after he joined - it's a complete rebuild, there'll be downs as well as ups. In an ideal world, if we rotate players they should all be able to play and bring similar things to the team iinstead of "weakening" the line-up. However, he doesn't have the players to do so, we have players going back to LVG who are overpaid and overrated and not good enough for United. So give ETH a structure above him, get rid of some players and bring some in that fit the profile and give him next season to show he's worth extending his contract and giving ETH even more time. And no stupid pre-season schedule!

He should stay. He has a number of qualities that are similar to SAF in his early years. He is smart, disciplined, a track record of success, and can have in game tactics that work. This season has had its problems no doubt. I believe the drop off from high performing players from last season (i.e. Rashford, Bruno, Casemiro, ) and of course injuries have had a big impact on creating style and fluidity. Last season he perhaps asked players to over perform and we maybe suffering from it this season. He is also getting used to the relentless demands of the Premier League. Plus he probably had to let players like Alvaro go on loan in order to Balance the books. Let's let him learn from it. He has helped blood Garnacho and Mainoo and perhaps also Kamwala too. Let him learn and go again.

Ultimately he has to be here next season. Give him a season without the ridiculous amount of injuries and then judge him on what he can do. We looked great after the world cup until Martinez injury last season. I do have my doubts of course. But with an improving structure in the background we can say with more clarity whether EtH is the man or not.

Throw my thoughts in. It depends on if we think that we can make whole sale changes to the squad or if we are going to play at it. If we can and bring in the players that will enable us to play the football EtH wants then great stuff. If not then we have got to bring someone in that can get the best out of the players that we have because as it stands i cant see anyone getting an extention or anything but the bullet with the way were playing.

Let him stay, constructively and strategically update personnel. Progress youth team members and we will see a massive improvement. Injuries, inconsistent individual performances and ageing personnel have all contributed. Some say senior players don’t want to play for him. no player is bigger than club, they will need to move on. Management change is not the resolution here. We were less than 3mins away from everyone praising United for a great comeback.

And United were the only team to play away from home twice in a row on the back back of the last international break, and all the way down in London for a late kick off to boot. The only other club was Luton, for two London derbies. City, Liverpool, Newcastle, and Chelsea got two home games and Spurs got both games in London(one at home, and one at West Ham). These kind of tactics(stats) by the PL go unnoticed but they are incessant throughout the season, even more so since the aborted Super League where UEFA have since accused Manchester United of being the ringleaders. If I was a United player or manager I would seriously get the feeling that I am pis*ing against the wind. Small margins work both ways. Did anyone see a special "Penalty or not" on Sky off the back of the Chelsea v United game?. No, there wasn't even a mention of it in the media.

People need to start appreciating the talents he is introducing and guiding. Mainoo, Garna, Kambwala. Under a different manager these kids would maybe not have had the break-troughs they've had. United have had plenty of hyped academy players throughout the years, but rarely have they lived up to expectations. With EtH academy products are thriving. EtH have also faced some of the worst shitstorms. Whit Greenwood/Sancho and Ronaldo sagas. Id say hes delivered accounting for the environment hes had to work in. And the players seem to support him.

There is no one else to replace him, don't think he should go. Also do not think changing managers just due to a few games is something that ever should happen we are not like the small clubs and should not act like them. We are united Act like it and support your manager. We have had bad bad injerys and possible players not giving it their all. no one to change them out with and need to get this united back to the old with full heart to power through and give 120% for every game.

One of the biggest problems is that we have lots of tussle pieces from different sets and expect a clear picture. Getting the decisions above Ten Hag right will help this. We need to combine to profiles of the squad with purpose. We're headless chickens because we've been put together by headless chickens. This goes beyond Ten Hags coaching, even if he probably is failing us a little with his coaching.

Yeah I think Ste made a great point about letting Ten Hag see out his contract, whilst trying to impress Ineos and Sir Jim to get a new contract. I think this is a good way to go as at least it gives Sir Jim and his team another 12 months to get everyone in place that they want, get the structure right and then make a decision as regards the manager.

I’m just at the point where I just don’t want another manager,rinse and repeat scenario,but man he’s made SO MANY MISTAKES he’s made himself indefensible.Despite the horrendous injuries it remains that he’s changed absolutely nothing.Some of our glaring weaknesses are easily coached out by even low or non league coaching.He’s also spoke some absolute bollocks,after the Chelsea game he actually said we DOMINATED that game😮I mean Really.I genuinely think he’s not the man but I also think with some of the absolute waste of space players we have means that I don’t think any manager alive gets success with 90% of this group,they’ve proven on several occasions that they will drag any manager down.

An issue with the cut back goals is that our fullbacks and two of our midfielders push high in attack. Then the opposition play behind our fullbacks, our CB goes out wide to help, then our DM drops in to cover the CB, then finally our other two midfielders don’t have the legs to recover. Hence the free man on the edge of our box

It’s difficult to say because when ten hag came in we allowed him too make decisions we had no structure above him. We over spent on players and for another example Antony he’s a £20M player at best, we signed mount whose an attacking midfielder we should of got a defensive midfielder. We could of got a back up striker if we didn’t spend that much on players. I rather see ten hag still at United than these players who let previous managers down. But in the media ten hag makes excuses for these players he should be ripping into them. The medical team is also a problem the amount of injuries is really bad. And the wages on these players they need cutting and we need to be ruthless in summer with Ratcliffe. Which managers are out there if we did sack ten hag - nagelsmann he’s with germany for the euros we need him in by begining of June for the pre season in July. Southgate shouldn’t be mentioned for United or potter shouldn’t be mentioned. Thiago motta needs more experience he’s done well this season but a move to United may be to much for him. There’s not many available

If everyone watching and screaming from the stands or at the telly can see all of these obvious problems, why can't our management, coaching staff or players?

A bit of advice to 'Ten Hag Out' Ronaldo, just go and look at a few of the season long hysterical Arsenal fan Arteta out videos from only 2 years ago and you'll see what United fans have become. The difference is that the Arsenal fans were actually pathetically comical in their collective hysteria.

Facts Ronny @18:23, if ten hag needs his full starting 11 to play at least decent, that's not good.

Let him see it out, if they want too play a certain way then get that type of player in an if it goes Pete tongue next season let him go, we need to see what will happen if we have a better over all squad in place first

You forgot how he plays out when we have Licha and Shaw. Look at every single game with them 2. Dont overwrite history. You also forget Casemiro and Eriksen were crucial for ball progression and both dropped off a cliff. He had to accomodate maguire and mctominay. There is you playing from the back Looks like once people turn on the manager, their memory chip is reduced by 90% and they can only comprehend Carragher twits-level stats

I keep thinking about how woeful Arsenal were a few years ago and Arteta looked like he was out the door, but they stuck with him and they are now up the league where we think we should be. They were truly terrible but clearly they had a long term plan, cleared some of the deadwood out and made it work. He is a good manager and I don’t think the squad has downed tools on him (some individual exceptions). It’s a pivotal point in the long term vision for the club, because he’s coming up on 2 years and keeping him could reap the rewards if we hang on a bit longer.

I like Ron now. You're spot on. He's depleted the team with sentiments by depriving players many players of game time and not just accommodation underperforming players but also praising them

I’m a big critic of Ten Hag. But makes sense to give him until Christmas so that the best successor can be identified and lined up. If Ten Hag gets off to a flying start and is smashing City, Liverpool and Arsenal and at or around top of the league, then they can keep him for at least the rest of the season. However, if still not doing well, he’s gone by Xmas.

Another option people aren't looking at- MARCO ROSE. The guy might be a good option if the backroom guys work with him. I have studied his style of play for the past weeks. He's not perfect but plays possession football from Red Bull Salzburg, Borussia Mönchengladbach, Dortmund(though sacked first season but finished second) and now RB Leipzig. You can check him out and let see if he's right for MAN UNITED. Have a lovely day.

Like Ste said it would be very logical of Trawlers/Ineos to let him stay but only if he accepts what they want to do; I don't think they would go in for this mad style he wants to implement. I was very much an admirer of his objectivity last season; he changed things at halftime; he saw clearly in the beginning of the season that the players couldn't play how he wanted so he changed the tactics. Now it seems like he's lost this objectivity and carries on like Bielsa. The players aren't necessarily bad but they are bad in this structure.

Wheatley to start tomorrow he ripping it up at moment against the Scousers ,3-0 after 15 minutes loving it.

He has to go for me. The issues the team has faced on the pitch have not improved since GW1 & despite us & the coaching staff seeing this, we haven’t been able to deal with them. I thought Ten Hag coming in as the unknown was refreshing but seeing him seemingly be incapable of adjusting this season is a big, big worry & has me hesitant whether he has the minerals to win us a league eventually.

I'd let him stay, he still has a really good points per game record for both United managers and all Premier League managers. I think we need minimum 4 players Zirkzee, Kim Min Jae, Douglas Luiz and Cole Palmer (or alternatives if these players are not available at reasonable prices). If we get these players we should be able to build up effectively, have a solid rest defence by not playing 2 attacking midfielders and have more attacking options. If this is not enough for Ten Hag to succeed then we can consider sacking him in February-May however the performances don't suggest a replacement will be better (even Xavi, Nagelsmann, Motta or De Zerbi).

Stay because worst case you let ten hag take the heat until you clear out the squad and bring in the players to fit the style ineos want to play. It also might get them some goodwill with not being knee jerk in sacking manager when this same squad more or less has gotten multiple managers sacked. Until there is proper clear out you are also setting up any new manager for failure as they will continue to have to answer questions on rashford sancho greenwood Anthony the injuries etc. A new manager should be able to come in and only need a few signings if they are to have any chance. Right now united need at least 4 first team players and then sort out a decent bench or promote some more academy players.

He should stay 100%. I don't see how we improve by ditching him. He will come good.

Last season United was built on a solid defence. This season the defence has been shot to pieces. ETH wasn’t even allowed to get rid of Maguire and bring in someone more suitable. If he’d had that solid defence this season there’s little doubt United would have progressed and likely be in that fourth spot right now.

Get the structure in place then judge the Manager, let him see out his contract, I’m not a fan of EtH but at the moment the club is unmanageable

Ten Hag has had loads of injury problems. Loads of problems off the pitch. But he’s got us to 2 more than likely 3 finals. He’s won us a trophy and has had respectable league finishes. Assuming we finish 6th all the teams above us are having great season so to have an injury struck season and only finish below them lot is not a failure. We need to give him some time under the new ownership to see if he can get the team to click. Aslong as ineos is buying players with a plan for the future to suit a certain philosophy of football the next manager can thrive if Ten Hag doesn’t do the job. Getting another manager now is throwing someone under the bus because the current players we have will get him sacked.

Has there ever been an example of a manager seeing out the final year of their contract (effectively on trial) and doing well about to be awarded a new long-term deal?

It surprises me how many so called supporters don’t know the definition of support.

Seen the issue with tactics and lack of midfield in pre season

RE the cut backs, me and my dad were talking about how many of that type of goal we were conceding even going back to the end of Fergie's era. It just seems to have exacerbated since the Mourinho era and even more so now

He should stay for at least one more year im a life long Red im 63yrs now i remember when everyone wanted to get rid of alex ferguson i also remember when they got rid of the Doc'

The issue I see is that you have managers like Ange at Spurs who seemed to transform that side in 2 weeks. Ten Haag seems unable to change things after 2 years

Hey ste He has to Go, Really wanted him to succeed... On a positive note ; He has done well on off the field issues and injuries have derailed the season alot but On the negative he isn't taking care on the issues on pitch i.e; cutbacks, spaces in midfield, mctominay and a shit press... and a more damning thing is that even tho' injuries are an issue brentford played better than us with injuries in their team too... and him not being arsed on the billion shots we take is putting me off from him

Given the so called 'Staggering Statistics" , aren't these things the major responsibility of the Manager and his coaching staff? The no of shots conceded & the space between defence and midfield - this is down to the manager's tactics and the shape/structure he puts out, and the instructions he gives to his players.

Acadmy is doing really well, give ten haag the next 10 months to work with them and then see wherre we are

I read that INEOS will "choose the style of play". If they allow ten Hag to implement that style, I'm all for it. But then they have to give him the necessary tools. It will not work instantly, but if we can see hints of the new style in 6-8 months, I have no problem. But if there is no hint of the new style by the turn of the year, then I also have no problem in letting him go. On another note, I don't think the current crop is mentally tough to challenge for the title. They can have a few purple patches here and there, but challenging for the title is beyond them.

I would say it’s mostly the players fault - for example, Rashford, Mctominay, Bruno, Lindelof and a few others who can’t hack it. There is no doubt it was a poor recruitment year (Mount… Rasmus - I like him but this was the wrong time for this signing…). We needed a top striker, a top CB, another top ball playing midfielder and got none. Also, Ten Hag has been very frustrating this year and sometimes I feel like he’s sacking himself by constantly making the same mistakes that his previous peers have made, such as picking favourites, constantly picking players he ‘assumes’ cares, off mid game tactics and laughable post match interviews. The youngsters deserve the credit this year and maybe Ten Hag does for playing them. But constantly playing numpties who don’t suit systems, style of play or putting square pegs in round holes is becoming tiresome. Finally, the injury plague this year - whose fault is this? Does he overplay the same team, too much reliance on certain players? Are they getting trained too hard? Who knows… but having Varane, Martinez, shaw and Dalot last season regularly has clearly affected this season’s defence. When Johnny Evans has arguably been the best CB, it says a lot.

I'd say stay, only because I don't know who we get in, and I think it will keep the players more accountable. This season has been a shambles, and if he does get sacked, he shouldn't have any complaints. But imo, the priority has to be getting the right structure in place first.

Never thought Steve would be the one to be emotional and not logical on an issue that is pretty straight forward.. You can literally see him clutching at straws inorder to fit the ETH in narrative

The difference with other managers is they are able to rotate their 2nd choice players in and continue to perform, because they train in their system. ETH has had zero consistency in his 1st, 2nd and even 3rd choice places. There's a HUGE reason ETH wanted a different medical and rehab team; but yet again the Glazers said no, to save money...

I think our stats make sense considering the injuries we had, but Im really worried how much he plays McTominay, kinda reminds of Fellaini situation with Mourinho

I have been a manager for various jobs in the past, but I have never managed a football team before. However, give me £200 mill plus the money from player sales and I would be competing for the Premiership within just 2 seasons. The overall wage bill would be cut in half as well. I would build a new team around the three youngsters, Garnacho, Hojland, and Mainoo and I would keep Onana, Dalot, Shaw, Martinez and Mount. I would bring in about 7 players in the summer, with NO BIG NAMES (2x Center forwards, 3x Midfield and 3x Defenders EVERY player can play in multi positions.). In my second season, I would be hoping to bring up two or three of the youth that look incredible right now. The first team squad would be no bigger than 20 players, so in my 2nd season, I'd be only looking for two players just to complete the squad and seriously compete for every trophey. Rashford, Bruno, Mctominay, Casimero, Varane, AWS, Maguire, Lindeloff and Antony would all be sold and aim for £200 mill

The fact that we are very lucky being 6th is what you need to know really.

Limited Football Intelligence in this squad, Limited Courage, Limited Ability, it's a collection of misfits for an era that is over for a lot of teams, we are years behind everywhere. 🔴❤️.

Our Midfield isn't setup well to avoid cutback when we are caught on transitions. Casemiro can't cover ground and Mainoo is not quick either. A 4 2 3 1 formation can work with these players but for some reason the manager keeps the same formation. I don't know why he does it but there should be a reason behind. I think the reason is because he is stubborn.

both of you made solid points... maybe his press conferences are just delusional because he wants people to think that he's lost the plot... but it's the football that concerns me the most... we have no attack, no transition, no defense, and we are pretty easy to game plan against... EtH had two weeks to game plan for these current fixtures and yet we managed to regress instead of improve... He doesn't man-manage and that has hurt players (actual games lost) but also failure to develop with the squad... we have a great youth program and yet when senior players underperform consistently and young players don't even get a sniff of game time... and i'm not talking about injury time protecting a lead because we don't have those types of games... we are poor in so many areas and EtH seems to not care about making the correct substitutions to defend leads or hold onto draws... and that's concerning as well... ie... need a #6 bring on McTominay, need a #8 bring on McTominay, and need a #10 bring on McTominay, rather than giving Forson, McNeill, Amad, or any of the younger lads a run-out... i want United to be successful and if EtH can do it then great... but if not... then something needs to be done... because i am Tired of tenHag's United... Great show...

Last season, we had a very stable defense and our midfield was heavily pivoted on excellent players like Eriksen and Cssemiro. Since Eriksen got injured in January, our performances dipped on his return. Same for Lisandro Martinez. We were playing on the half way line all the time last season and we didnt see these turnovers. One thing for sure is Erik hates Tennis football kind of game. He sees all the problems but he csnt jettison cargoes in the middle of the sea. He needs to come to the shore and find time to fix things. In the season Arsenal lost Saliba, things got worse. Same for Van Dijk and same for Rodrigo. Our whole team has been decimated by injuries and trust rhythm counts a lot in team sport. We need fit players and get rid of the poison like Martial, rashford etc

Id keep him only if he makes improvements to his coaching team. Fergie did it all the time because he recognized the need to constantly adapt to the opposition with new ideas. We're terribly at too many things like creating chances, being clinical, set piece defending and scoring, rest defense. If he brings in a better defensive coach it'd make a world of difference i believe

Do you rather have a manager who can adapt/change to the league/games or the 1 who is stubborn with his tactics because he wants his ideal way of playing without adapting to the team against and what players he has? I have a big problem when I cannot predict subs in almost every game as fan.

Hiya lads, I reckon he should be given his contract time, not only to prove himself but if they sack him they've gotta pay him out, that money could go into another player!

Can we field the kids tomorrow? Under 16's and under 18's both played the scouse today. Aggregate score was 14-2 to United. Under 18's put NINE past them...

We cant keep sacking managers!!...we need to build a football structure and culture that gives a manager a chance to be successful

The fundamental question is - Are we playing a style of football 22 months in that can consistently win matches in another 12 months with an improved squad. 1 half say yes and the other half say no. We have no power either way.

Stay, they have loads of issues to sort out and i dont think ETH is the biggest. Also on optics, if he stays and turns it around that looks great for INEOS

Stay for another year with a shortlist of replacement drawn up should the season to to shit. With the ongoing review taking both performance and results into account. Reasons: He has dealt very well with the big issues - Ronaldo, Sancho, Maguire, Greenwood, Rashford. Injuries have been horrendous, but also to players who we can not afford to lose (Shaw, Martinez, Mainoo, Hojlund) on top of that their back ups have also been out! If he gets to the FA Cup final there is no way that we should sack a manager who’s reached 3 cup finals in 2 years. It would be entitled as fuck to do so and I want to club to change from the Van Gaal days of sacking a manager after winning a trophy. Liverpool, Barcelona and Bayern will all be targeting new managers and will be better equipped to sell their vision. I’m not keen on bringing in a 3rd / 4th choice coach. There is too much changing. Get the structure of: Brailsford - Blanc Berrada Ashworth Wilcox Head of Recruitment Sort that out and announce the new 100,000 seater stadium to be finished in 2027. All of a sudden Utd have huge pull again and can target the best coach and players aged 17-23. Eric Ramsey leaving means Ineos can target and appoint another assistant coach to work under Ten Haag but be their eyes on the ground. I wouldn’t be surprised if Berrada and Wilcox head hunt Ben Wilkinson (Howard Wilkinson’s son) and City U18 coach who’s won 3 under 18s titles in a row. He could be the ‘young up and coming coach’ and an ‘Ineos man’ without changing the manager. Ten Haag is on 12 months notice to change the style of play and get within 10 - 12 points of top place. Allow him to get rid of 8 - 10 squad players, bring in 4-5 first team players and promote another 3-4 from the 18s / 21s. Only time will tell!

Just about happy for ETH to stay but him a the coaching staff need to rethink the approach to resolving the lack of a midfield. Lots of the players are also accountable with lack of effort and use some common sense in positioning

A well balanced discussion here. Ten Hag needs to go, but it would be sensible and strategic for him to see out his contract and stay for another year. Giving the next manager that comes in an environment that no other manager at United has had. Because an interim manager will still make atleast one signing in the summer without having the INEOS people in place as part of the long-term vision. This is just a huge waste of time, money and energy and just another opportunity for further scandal at the club. P.S we have seen many players suddenly get into form when they have one year left on thier contract, would be interesting to see how a manager does knowing he only has one year left also 👀

Difference between ten hag to those 2 managers, Liverpool and arsenal had a complete mindset with their managers to get rid any player what ever the cost, with Man Utd the players that need to go are still here. It’s 2024 and awb, Maguire, lindelof, shaw, Williams, mctominay, rashford, Fernandez, martial, VDB still are under contract