I disagree about white previledge. I as a white male was dispossed of my property and could not find work. I found myself on the streets and worked myself up again. I worked as a gardner an electrician and animal breeder and stayed on streets and in shelters and I worked my way up again. So I deserve my Pension every month. Due to injuries sustained during my hard labour. Popped knee Septic Orthritis, cracked ribs, beatings and blind in the left eye. I as a white person deserve my pension and place in the white shelter.

"Black people cannot be racist" - What a joke...

Also the blacks folks on this show should not talk negatively about westernisation and colonialism - I'm sure those fancy suits, denims, watches, shoes and cars are all products from white colonialists. Remove those fancy items, go back to your huts and kraals, and THEN only can you start pointing fingers, but whilst you are enjoying the benefits of colonialism you can't play the victim card.

When you make people believe that they can't be racist they sure make some racist comments

Great solution. "We will take back our land and we will have a better society and fix the problem!" So simple - worked like charm in Zimbabwe!

In the 3000 years since the end of the Stone Age, the indigenous people of Africa could not manage to create an infrastructure, could not mine or produce export, could, in fact not succeed in building anything higher than one story and could not write down anything as reference for future generations, because they could not manage to master the art of writing. In fact, when the first Europeans arrived on 6 April 1652 it was 1974 years after Ptolemy and built the magnificent library of Alexandria - and in Southern Africa the indigenous people still could do no more than a few rock paintings and a clay pot with patterns on it.

I am astonished! what i just saw was 2 racists and a white guy in the middle... wow!

Very telling how Eusebius gives Andile a pass on his televised threats against Ernst.

I didn't realise Eusebius was so racist.

The one debater is arguing that it is not possible for black people to be racist! He probably has no idea how ridiculous that statement is. He then also wants to make a law that makes racism illegal!

They make me sick to my stomach. It's true, sense of entitlement and inferiority complexes.

> I 'm not going to elaborate on the reason but here is the solution from my point of view: Firstly If the Government own 30% of land including 4000 farmland then there is no ways that white could not own 80% but less than 70% Also lands belong to non whites making it less than 70%..On the other side plenty land was handed in the past to non whites . It is also senseless to hand out land when the banks will not finance new farmers that has no agricultural qualifications. Rather give the workers of the land shares and dividends on the farm-land that they work..In that way the farmer will not lose his business and the rest of SA will not run short on food. .....> (Disregarding Race or Gender) that don't want to work on farmland but work in the city should receive sufficient RDP houses to replace the squarer settlements and proper land should be allocated to squatters that has sufficient water and sewer until the RDP houses are built. for them.

"I've never seen a criminal accepting they are a criminal, I've never seen a thief accepting they are a thief" - Isn't this what happens someone admits guilt in court ?

As usual Eusebius attacks the player and not the ball. Why? Is it because he has only shallow arguments?

Interesting that mandela and Gregory's sons were both killed by automobiles rather than apartheid

If you were to believe that all people are equally you should accept all people have the ability to be racist, that includes white, and black.

“We’re going to shut you up. We’re going to deal with you” ...Absolutely disgusting. The downturn of the South African economy is deserved. I only hope they come their senses before they wind up like Cambodia

Living in the past is why there is no future.

Black people can not be rasist ?????really ?????

Oh the irony is beautiful, Andile being racist and then claiming he cannot be because he is black.

Just like at work I get told I am where I am because of white privilege. But when I told them I grew up and lived in a caravan they told me I'm lying . I was born into money and in a nice big house. My parents didn't finish school. Mom packed shelves and shoprite today she's a success. My dad packed fruit at epping Market today he is self employed. I went to a terrible school and just because I worked my ass off to get where I am. White privilege. My parents only reached there success after I finished school... One guy at my work couldn't pronounce a surname correctly and all I did was try to help him and guess what I'm racist. Also why I'm white and my girlfriend is dark skinned and my son is mixed. And I can't wait to leave the place I love the most. South Africa. Wish I could feel safe by letting my son grow up in South Africa.

3 against 1. Baie ontstellende video. The are disrespectful towards Ernst. Telling him he is a criminal. :( The hatred towards whites in this 'debate' is tangible. So we are all criminals because of our skin colour and the past? You can't reason with people who have so much hatred in their hearts. Tragies man, tragies. Breek my hart. I can see where this country is heading, but I will trust in my Lord my God who is in control. I do not deny there are racist whites, but they are a minority. Black people can be racist too. I do believe they are a minority as well. Well I hope so! A plowman who keeps looking back is not fit to get the job done. Put your hands to the plow with your face set like flint ahead, keep looking forward and get things done properly! Stop looking back! I give the video a thumbs up for Ernst. Love covers a multitude of sin says the Bible. The haters should try that!

Africans can't be racist we don't have the economical power to be racist. Racism isn't about skin color but economical power.

Well balanced conversation 3 black and one white ?????

The immigrants into Australia say the same about the original Australians until THEY begin to believe they are being victimized when The Originals want their Land back

I've had it up to my frelling eye-balls with people stating or implying that black people cannot be racist. Racism has no ethnic boundaries. The only requirement for being racist is being an A-hole and there are overwhelming numbers of those on both sides of the fence. I am white South African female. I could not study the course I wanted to at the University of Pretoria, because according to the student Councillors there I am "not black and the course is only for black people". End of my final year in high school I had change my life path. Then I study Journalism, finish the course and then get told, I cannot work because I'm white and they're only hiring blacks at the moment. And you know what, I still don't blame the average black joe on the street who is also trying to get by. I do blame the ass backwards governmental system and stupid Ideas like BEE and the quota system that say because of your skin colour you get the job, not your merit or ability. And please don't pass it off as "equality" because these systems are insulting to the many black people who work their arses off, do their best are proud of them selves and their abilities and then you relegate them into a system that ignores their abilities and merit and basically says, "here you go, you have this job because you're black, your abilities have nothing to do with your promotion." Please don't tell me in your consummate ignorance you're going to cling to those old colonialist/Apartheid excuses. We must learn from the past not cling to it like some pathetic child clinging to a decaying corps in hopes of comfort and vindication for our own inadequacies. Acknowledge, the horror of the past but don't wallow in them every chance you get. Treat it like and ex-lover, they're there, you greet them but you never go back to that relationship. And for love of Aunt Bessie learn to frelling adult.

23:50 definitional cancel culture before cancel culture was a thing.

Can we as South Africa love each anther please

2 years later a confirmation has piled up. These 2 guys are clowns.

In an ideal world. People would respect one another and actually start looking up and not just around. So the question is whom is preventing that. Misdirection, divide and conquer is an effective tool. This government is just a continuation of the previous regime. It is more apparent everyday.

Ernst and Eusebius should have a debate one on one , in a controlled evironment, facts on facts, without intimidating Ernst due to a lack intellectual content, appauling behaviour from the two blacks poor presenter for failing to keep the debate under control....

Ek wou dit kyk maar die eerste spreuker is so goed geleer deur sy marxis tjommies dat ek dit net nie kon sluk nie. Dankie vir jou werk Mr. Roets.

Theres a difference between being racist and prejudice...you need some sort of power to be racist and enforce that power on your 'inferiors'

Josepheus.....where did he get that European name from? He should be embarrassed!

I speak from afar - Canada. Can't the 4 of you give each other a hug. You have so much that needs fixing. You have a run down electric power system. You have a wonderful rail system lying in tatters. You have roads with massive potholes. You have massive unemployment. Is their not a way you can use these resources to rebuild the country?

"Black people are not flourishing because of colonialisms legacy" I think thats would be a fantastic debate topic. Are black people not flourishing because of colonialism? Obviously the way in which white people colonized Africa has kept black people from flourishing in comparison to whites, but had colonialism never happened, would black people be better off? Would black people be flourishing had whits never traveled to Africa?

I am a white Afrikaner male doing a PhD on exactly these issues. First of all I am shocked by the type of nonsensical discussion brought to the table by the two black gentlemen. I never held any high regard for AfriForum, but really all that the white person tried to do was to have a meaningful discussion. Yet each time he touches on a contentious issue he is shouted at, apartheid is blamed, and the black gentlemen then refuses to engage on that subject any further. I have to say, their notion that only white people can be racist, that black people can never be racist is precisely similar to our current presidents perception that a shower will wash away HIV. Every sentence they spoke was rife with racist and prejudges discourses and dominant political ideologies. e.g. by saying that blacks cannot be racist and immediately afterwords making the case that racists should be fired from their jobs, imprisoned or removed from the country, they are essentially saying that all whites should be driven out of the country or fired or imprisoned - similar to the social media statement that blacks should do to whites what Hitler did to the Jews. How is that not racist or oppressive? - THE WORST AND MOST BLATANT FORM THEREOF INDEED! I would like to invite them to substantially prove to me how I am benefiting from white privilege (a concept I am not at all familiar with) in the current post-apartheid democratic South Africa. I attended a farm school along with other black learners, similarly high school. I come from a single parent household where my mom was the main breadwinner having only a teachers salary. I had to work my ASS OFF to get through school and get accepted to a tertiary institution - in the face of racial quotas. I had to work and pay my own way through tertiary education - I could not get a bursary because I am white. I am currently in a ridiculously low employment position (for which I am tremendously overqualified and experienced) as I was blatantly told to my face that as a white person I will never achieve any higher level of employment. Because of issues like this whites ARE leaving the country. Yet there are constant complaints from our black ruling government about the brain drain.... I do agree with them that there is no such thing as "black privilege". it is much worse and can perhaps be termed "black entitlement" That is the perception that blacks are owed and that they must get everything for nothing, at the expense of all whites (and even at the expense of their own in-group ethnic others suffering in shacks). You want to take the land from white people for free and do what with it? We are already importing grain and chickens, staple food, have you considered the current threatening food shortage, or future of food security? Do NOT get me wrong, I am not implying that black people are lazy or unable to farm. I am stating that because of this overwhelming sense of entitlement and perceptions that all whites just walked into and got handed everything they have on a silver platter blacks assume that without any education or knowledge they will be able to produce food, i.e. the crops will just miraculously sprout from the grounds and flourish, the live-stock just multiply and get fat (which historically they never had, even before whites arrival - but which they stole from the whites). I would like to request both of these black gentlemen to go and watch this debate in the privacy of their own homes, trying to assume an objective third person perspective on what was said. If they then cannot comprehend the nature of their language use and discourses passively but continuously expressed then yes, we do have a problem. In this case perhaps it would be best to drive all whites out of the country similar to what was proposed under apartheid with the homelands act. We are not so many and I for one will be willing to sacrifice what I have worked for so hard, (my property and Ford Fiesta) to go and live for example in the most desperate infertile and dire place of the country, the Karoo dessert perhaps. Then you will be rid of us whites and we will be free to live our lives accordingly, free to develop and free to progress. Lets then view this as a longitudinal study even. In 20 years we will revisit each other and the land which we occupy We will analyze political, societal, economical, technological, infrastructure, agricultural, environmental and cultural developments of each group. However, you will then not have white privilege or apartheid to hide behind or conveniently use to excuse your failures. I believe your achievements and developmental progress will be quite similar or maybe even worse than in the past 20 years post-apartheid - after you have received ALL power. We can go even further and relate your successes in developing a first world country to a third world state having economical "junk" status to that of Germany and China after the devastating wars they experience, and in the same amount of time that was given to you. Perhaps you will also blame them of being racist? As a final thought I want urge you to go and read the first clause/paragraph in our country's constitution, especially the final sentence thereof. Similarly revisit your definition of equality, which currently is that all spheres of the country should reflect the demographics of the country, irrespective of competency or education. Perhaps equality could be better defined in line with that first paragraph of the constitution in that those who do not have access to the opportunities of the privileged should be aided to reach that level of access. Then it should be up to each individual to prove themselves and work (or not) towards their own successes or failures instead of merely taking it based on a sense of self righteous entitlement. Lastly, do keep your ear on the ground and your eyes open. I am fighting for equality, non racialism justice and freedom of expression. I am sure you will immediately view this as white right winged activism - that will be the first mistake you make,; I am fighting for ALL RACES! You should know that Liberation never star out with a "big bang" so enjoy your privileged black-entitlement while it lasts...

The technique of infamy is to start two lies at once and get people arguing heatedly over which is the Truth - Ezra Pound

The lights are on but nobody is home

For someone who claims to be a logician, he sure is adept at throwing out the "ol Herring.

Do these people realise the rest of the world is watching this , and you wonder ?.

3 against 1 is so their way

The worst radio debate by a presenter I have ever listened to. Clear in the way Ernst Roets name was selected in the title.

So what I got from this is that whomever says racism most, wins?

Wow.. Just wow...

Can someone explain the details of this master plan. Are we suggesting that ALL whites who currently own land, a house, an apartment or whatever, but is not black , should simply hand in their property keys to the nearest black person? No matter where or when or how it was acquired?

Sadly probably the only non racist was the poor interviewer trying to get healthy debate going while all you have in front of you is three men with an agenda and an axe to grind

And as we are buying land to them now, to them from whom they bought land to?

I feel whites are privileged all over earth simply because of their intelligence and work ethic.

Shame poor Roets was brought to the show to get roasted

Nothing has changed cause the ANC did not look after their own

I believe the ANC government is primarily to blame for the continued state of affairs for the black majority. I don't think the solution is dispossession of white people who didn't directly steal land however. Whites not acknowledging the past or joining in the efforts to correct those injustices is a huge problem however. As a black that's not militant in their views as Andile is, Ernst (and whites generally) inability to accept the historical account and the privilege he calls achievement does not stand him in good stead. Rather be an ally to black people's struggle than try to justify the past. If blacks generally prosper, South Africa prospers which is good for everyone, including whites. Unless that is not a desirable outcome.

Absolutely shameful, Eusebius makes a comment about an accent on the phone? Does he know the well known practice of immediately gravitating to anything you can identify with including the first black man I can spot to ask for the loo? I’m becoming a stern support of Afriforum as our black brothers have missed the mark and the race issue

The problem here is with those two gentlemen sitting on the right and left. When one individual do wrong to them they will blame everybody on their skin color or culture. They blame other people for their problems and mistakes.

When will the black people leave Jan van Riebeek out and stop grying about the past and start work together to a better tomorrow.

I think this debate would’ve been better started if each speaker could define racism.

Eusebius i have lost all respect for you and Andile you live in a world that is hard tounderstand

Only Ernst understands what racism is. Eusebius, the so-called expert - is totally biased. Andile is a raving maniac!

Bringing up the holocaust and comparing it with apartheid is incredulous. The Jews were starved, and sent to gas chambers Nobody alive today, except for holocaust survivors, knows that kind of persecution and they refrain from discussing it. There were multiple nations in South Africa, not just the Dutch and English, just as the Moors from Africa went to Europe, but I guess historical facts don't count unless they can be used for one point of view. Racism can come from all nationalities and races. Indians, Chinese, Turkish, Pakistanis, Portuguese, Greeks, French, Germans, Spanish, Italians, Russians, Poles, Afrikaners and English natives make up minorities in SA yet the majority target minorities and place blame on them for everything. In 2022 smh

I would have loved to see a proper debate between Ernst and Eusebius because that might have actually moved this debate forward. I hope to one day live in a united South Africa

If you expect a coherent debate, see some other video without these two.

Don't judge by race, judge by personality !!!

Problem is blacks must work hard to achieve ! They must stop parting stop drinking in fact they must band alcohol . I'm Indian when I was little I grew up in a container shop we worked Sunday to Sunday and lived very cheap in order to save. These blacks just want to spend and party. Today I double my fathers assets which he built from scratch not to mention he couldn't even speak English or Afrikaanas when he arrived from south Africa. Blacks need to work hard and Give up the bad lifestyle that's distracting to climb up the ladder in society.

Let's all be victims, and therefore entitled.

I think our universities should shut down the Faculty of humanities. This Faculty seems to be only producing one dimensional thinkers who are hard headed njengo Mxithama there, else a Humanities degree should be also compelled to take mathematics and make it compulsory for its students so that they will learn logic.

Stop #out-breeding your ability to sustain your #progress ! - #education not Hand outs !

The Coloured People were treated very badly by the Apartheid Government. There was a Vote then to bring them On Board. The Transvaalers and Freestaters Voted Against as they did not have any expierence of these Wonderful Happy People. So there was this Heartbreaking moment in our History that can never be forgotten.

Redistribution of land? SA has 8M unemployed and 32K commercial farmers. So if every farmer's land were expropriated, the EFF would have thrown out thousands of years' worth of agricultural expertise in exchange for an utterly negligible decrease in unemployment. Also, agricultural output would suffer from such a trade, so more misery for the poor. With EFF govt., investment in SA would evaporate, so more unemployment. SA's poor need jobs, not land. Investors, both foreign and domestic, want an environment in which property rights are respected.

This just my opinion. If the issue is about privilege then put realistic measures in place to correct that. Debating racism isn't going to address any immediate problems, racism can only be dealt with by open minded individuals willing to understand another point of view. About the debate and its unfortunate that this wasn't focused on properly was the education system. This is the only way anyone can improve his/her situation. Allow everyone the chance to good quality education, make sure public transport is affordable and safe and look at subsidised housing. BBBEE's ideals are lofty, but if companies could invest in the education of black children and in meeting these kids, getting to know them, motivating them, so that money isn't just thrown in a foundation so that responsibility is taught but also ability and purpose, then the privilege issue could be dealt with in part.

We need these kinds of debate more often

Sorry guys. Yes as whites can be racist so can black people. We can all learn from each other and live together. We need to stop wasting our energy on this.

Even white privilege does not extend to all whites, many are in dire poverty in SA today. What happened in the era of colonialism was a completely different generation. If we all want to move on and progress and think about a better future for the next generations, we must respect each other and find our Christian values to forgive, to help and support each other. Lets grow and move forward.

I think we need our government to teach white minority about history of SA and show them documentaries. It seems like they are clueless

I bought my house in the new South Africa in the anc gourmet and I stole

What scares me most about this is not Andile. In every country Marxists and extremists live. However the moderator is a disgrace. By the sound of him he sounds like he a highly educated man. He also went at one of at Ernest. He allowed a threat on national television. This is the concern. Because he for me represents the masses.

its not racism its a difference between what is right and what is wrong.. Why do most of us get on with others i r o the colour of their skin??? I have just as much respect for my black friends as I have for my white friends.??? Most of us are taught from small that we have to distinguish between right and wrong respect needs to be earned by our behaviour. I personally do not like anybody that plays the race card no matter from which race they are. GOD created us all and some dont want to serve HIM but their own desires and greed

Victims , is the narrative. Jealousy and envy is the motivation. Really telling !

Didn't the Bantu dispossess the Bushmen?

Now is not a time to fight.This time around is to combine skills to find way foward to make this country a better place and stop killing our owners of the farmers.and our government must reopen the farmers that's not running in this country.

A rascist an athiest,different types of people,we must all try our best to convert them,it can be very difficult.

There is nothing that Ernst can say that will make an impression on these bigots. How does this individual on Ernst's right think countries like USA, Australia and NZ came into being????? It was what happened at that time in history. In USA and Aus the indigenous people were virtually eliminated. In SA there was an effort to negotiate and get involved in trade with the local people. The whole debate is actually pointless, we just keep on going round in circles.

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if you what land andlie you get a job you save your money put a deposet down and you pay it off there is know freebees in this world

The moderator talks about events from the past week. I know this was several years ago but does anyone know which events he was talking about?

I agree with the white guy, black racism and white racism is equally repugnant

"Black racism is the biggest problem facing this country right now" Family Guy

In 1994, the youngest voter was 18 and that voter today is 43 years old. Considering that very few 18 year old's vote one would think that many of the young at the time voted in favor of the end of apartheid and for the ANC in 1994. However, today the very same activists, whom apposed apartheid, are labeled as racist. Zille, Steve and the list goes on. I am sick and tired of this screwed narrative. The old flag... flung long before the start of apartheid and apartheid ended under this flag in 1991, the new flag and the ANC only came after 1994. The current narrative is shocking... the ANC has produced more poor people that what apartheid ever did. NO jobs, no food, no power, no water, no services, yet the minority group is blamed, the 7% of whites living in this country... not taking into account how many of these are children, the retired and or also living in the famous white squatter camps. How much of the 7% is in the actual work force?? How many actually make up the middle class of this country?? Open your fucking eyes, for gods sake!!!

Not lazy...just an inherent passion to strike and burn everything to the ground...enough examples out there...do your own research Eusebius

Why does Andile act like South African history only started in 1652? Why does he not acknowledge the fact that the Bantu came from the North centuries before and took from the Khoisan - the natives - by conquest? If I steal a car from you by force that you previously stole by force then I didn't take what was rightfully yours. We both took from the rightful owner.

Mngxitama was emphatic when we spoke to him: “40,000 white families own 80% of the land. Deal with that.” He said his claim was supported by a recent state land audit, data collected by Statistics South Africa (Stats SA) and research conducted by the Institute for Poverty, Land and Agrarian Studies (PLAAS) at the University of the Western-Cape. Mashego did not respond to questions. So what does the data tell us? The state land audit, carried out by the office of South Africa’s Chief Surveyor-General and published in 2013, did indeed find that 79% of South Africa’s landmass was in private hands. But that includes land owned by individuals, companies and trusts and all urban real estate as well as agricultural and mining land in South Africa. Therefore, according to Mmuso Riba, the Chief Surveyor-General, “there is no basis” for the claim that whites own 80% of South Africa

Shame... This poor andile was probably born a fas baby or something... He needs to be locked up in a mental hospital

This is why you should earn a degree not buy or lie about one

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Calling blacks racist is just a way to distract the debaters to address the issue of reverse racism instead of focusing on the real topic. Andile is on point with his facts. South Africa is in good hands with the Economic Freedom Fighters.

Modern history states that Blacks were the original inhabitants of Africa but how is that possible when anthropologically we are all from Africa?

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Rational and Logical debating from Mr.Ernst .Well done sir !

They spelt Andile Mngxitama's surname onscreen as "Mgxithama" and then it came on again as "Mgxitama", I don't support his ideology but SABC should at least get his name right and not make multiple blunders in the same episode.

get the government to solve unemployment taking land wont do it people need skills education need to acquire skills you cant force a person to get an education

Ernest "I can say history has given me some sort of privilege". My question is is it some or all