"This was not the right colored Mana, and Stanley knew this perfectly well..."

there is Inscryption, is something alike

I know that this isn't what you mean, but, i just want to point out, that since MTG is actually proven to be a turing complete programming language, it is actually possible to program the Stanley Parable in Mtg, thus actually turning Mtg into the Stanley Parable

I love the idea of Link Monsters but haven't really liked how Yu-Gi-Oh uses them. I would be interested to see what you are making. I also recommend checking out Eye of Judgement as it was a positioning based monster summoning game as well

you could use mix of wixoss and yugioh resource systems, aka discarding cards to summon weaker monsters and bigger monsters requiring sacrificing monsters (sometimes multiple of them) on the field on top of discarding cards to create the feeling of gradual evolution/fusing of the monsters

I wonder if modern boardgames could be a great source of inspiration. After all, the Chrono Clash system is basically a simpler version of Patchwork's time track. Maybe Glory to Rome, Innovation, Impulse, Race for the Galaxy, Beer & Bread, Mottainai, Vault of the Void, and Res Arcana could be nice starting points?

@@revimfadli4666 for tcg you need a resource system thats easy to understand and keep track of without unnecessary junk

You should check out Card City Nights 2. It's a positioning based game on a shared board with arrows on the cards.

I will have to look into it further, as I have heard the name Battle Spirits but never saw the game or cards in action, but it sounds like Pokemon's energy system with a death penalty if a Pokemon has no energy attached.

@@BookmakerMakes The big difference ia that the cores are reusable. It's more like if lands stayed tapped for things you spent them on until that thing leaves the field. There's also an added layer where you can "overpay" for something to make it bigger, and you can rearrange the cores as you fit, so you can just kill a creature you don't need anymore if it helps you pay for something else.

The Dice Tower has a video on various Victory Conditions. It is focused more on board games, though. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/j7Bpf71p1tGrqZc.html I did a quick, cursory glance but I don't believe Kohdok has touched on this subject, specifically.

Yes. There's nothing wrong with designing cards for an existing game, especially if you have a playgroup who will have happily play what you come up with. On the other hand, there's nothing wrong with not publishing a newly designed game, and if that's the case making it "Magic but X" is a great way to start.

I got in to game design making fake Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Now the game I'm currently working on has an extra deck as a key component. You can start with making cards for your beloved old game, and maybe that will inspire you to tweak the rules you didn't like, and add in new mechanics you think might be fun, and you might eventually develop that into it's own thing.

Yes I did this specifically with Buddy fight and it’s hurt, I loved by buddy fight so much, it felt like the perfect marriage between magic and Yu-Gi-Oh, A game where building up resources was possible and can make decisions later down the line faster and easier, what’s a GameWare spending resources rapidly to attack relentlessly and beat your opponent to death fast was also on the table. I loved it so much

Focus on the rules of the game, making sure it's unique enough. It's hard sometimes with so many different tcgs but I think the art and "archetypes" is what makes a tcg stand out.

I started out as a young lad who thought the blue eyes white dragon was the best card evar, despite not knowing any of the rules beyond what I saw on TV. I have long since abandoned Yu-Gi-Oh!, dabbled in a bit of MTG, but really had a pleasant surprise in the new Digimon game. Idk why I ended up there of all places, but once I got my foot in the door I found that many aspects of the game that are radically different from others I've played before are tbh a huge breath of fresh air and a source for unique experiences. Moral of the story: if you're not enjoying your card game, maybe take a break & play something else, to shake things up. Later, if you are homesick, you can always go back to your old stomping grounds.

Probably not a good time with what is near (holidays) but I do got two fan games I made that might be interesting for you to look at. (Let me know if you are curious about them.)

@@Yinyanyeow been a long time since I reviewed a card game rule book, and I would like to give yours a shot but I am in the middle of writing my own book series while also giving editing notes to a writer friend of mine on one of her potentially upcoming books. If you study Kohdok's videos, you're going to be on a better path. But, if possible, find a trustworthy partner that can fill in the weakest parts of your card game making skill set. Or barring that, someone excited to see updates. Just know that failure is an option, and sometimes needed. I was originally in the HTCG server to work on my own card game, Great Hall. But now I am working on miniatures, writing a book, and providing editing notes for someone who already published works before. Suffice it to say that life is a river. You don't always know, or like, where it takes you. But if you try hard enough,you will find yourself where you need to be.

@@BookmakerMakes I know. And thanks for your encouraging text. It's kind of funny that I experienced 2 of the 3 (Pokémon & Yu-Gi-Oh) and got inspired by the only one left that I could take (Pokémon) in any sense. I'll look for more players though I was you good luck and happy gaming.

@@Yinyanyeow Go forth and conquer, my child, for this world is in need of being forged into something greater. (No stealing, Internet. That's going into my book.)

Just wanna say you were doing god's work by giving all that feedback. The world of amateur creation, especially for complex things like games, is so so dried out of people that are willing to read and give feedback. The majority of posts are people explaining their idea with 0 comments.

There can be a levelin in the card game. Both Pokemon and World of Warcraft video games have a leveling system. There is a lot of character customization built into the leveling and progression proccess. MTG and TCGs in general have a ton of customization in deck building. Both are fun to explore. Maybe I can combine both. I got to be careful to avoid too much grinding. Too much grinding is boring. Early Pokemon games were really bad at this. The main reason why I battled as quickly as I could was to make grinding more efficient. Leveling was faster in the later games, and I think that is the best quality of life improvement Pokemon ever had. Some veterans hate on it for making the game too easy. However I am a fan. I think of it as skipping through the most boring part of the game, so I can get to the fun part. World of Warcraft has quests as an even better way to deal with grinding. It requires just as much work, but it is more fun to get the short term goals. It is fair. The one great quality of life change World of Warcraft had later on was level scaling. It didn't make the game easier per se. It just gives more freedom to explore the world and adventure in the more preferred zones. It is the same amount of work either way. The MTG and Pokemon TCG has a slow progression of resource cards. I thought that maybe this can be replaced by leveling. Pokemon makes the connection in evolutions. Small Pokemon evolve to get bigger and stronger. They also look fancier and more intimidating. In the video game, Pokemon usually evolve by leveling up. In the TCG Pokemon evolve during the battle itself. Evolved Pokemen tend to need more resource cards to use thier attacks. I can have a big tradeoff in cards. More powerful cards are only available at later levels and require more energy. Later levels can also increase attributes, health and energy. The level system can have lots of customization with lots of elements, classes and cards. MTG has its own philosophy. Each color has its own personality and outlook on life. It is fascinating. I enjoy learning about it. There are even whole videos about MTG philosophy. It is important to remember that this doesn't have to be adhered to entirely. Harry Potter and Game of Thrones have their own personality systems, and they work fine. I have developed my own system. It came from my extensive study of New Age and psychology. Here is a brief overview. There is a set of two opposite things. They are poles. Light is associated with white and rational. Dark is associated with black and intuitive. There are also four elements. They go from light to dark. They are in order earth, fire, water and air. Earth is associated with green, physical and economy. Fire is associated with red, intellectual and education. Water is associated with blue, ethical and government. Air is associated with yellow, spiritual and religion. Fire and water are opposites in both the concrete substance and abstract ideas. Earth and air are also opposites. I already formed the basics of my system long before getting into MTG. My system is very different from MTG system. I do greatly admire how a lot of the worldbuilding reflects color. This is an amazing kind of execution, that I would like to put into my world. The first plane I learned about was Ravnica. I was a big fan of how the guilds worked. As cool as this is, it doesn't mean I have to adhere to MTG philosophy. I can just draw on my own philosophy and use the same kind of execution. There are a lot of differences. White and black are the biggest pair of opposites. Yet they have completely opposite meaning in the two systems. MTG uses meanings that would only make sense in the context of a Christianized culture. This is where white is more spiritual. It won't work in my world. I lean heavily into Paganism with little to no reference to Christianity. My favorite depiction of polarity in in Taoism, so I make my pair more like that. This is where black is more spiritual. The second biggest pair of opposites is red and blue. Again, this is where the systems are opposites. Water is traditionally associated with emotions. So I go for that in my system. Fire is tricky, because it is associated with action instead of ideas. I did change it to be about intellect to better contrast water. MTG has the meaning reversed. It is wierd. It does make sense for red to be more offensive and active. It does make sense for blue to have intellect and flying creatures together. However blue is mainly associated with water, and it is intellectual. It is just odd. The strangest color is black. I prefer things in fours. It is balanced, stable and fleshed out that way. I like four basic elements, four basic classes etc. MTG has five. It may seem very elegant at first. However it can be uneven. Black is the strangest color. It goes beyond the usual fantasy of the game and gets into horror. It has the strangest role in mechanics. It works with the graveyard, so it is the only color that doesn't resemble a class. I do like playing black because of the versatility. However I wonder if that makes black too overpowered. I am even thinking if its, mechanics would be better served as being distributed in the other colors. One can use black color pairs as a guide. Green gets stuff from the graveyard such as resurrected creatures. Red gets sacrifice. Blue gets milling. White gets health draining. Black is also odd in terms of philosophy. It is the individualist color. One of its major traits is being amoral. It ignores social rules while pursuing personal desires. Funny thing is that blue can be amoral too. It ignores social rules while pursuing knowledge. Of all allied pairs, black and blue are the most similar. It is similar enough to be lumped together. In my system I lump individualism and intellectualism in the red fire category. School is an excellent example of the two going together. Students learn in school. It also focuses more on the individual achievement of getting good grades. Schools can get competitive with the best students getting special rewards and recognition. By contrast, I think that white and red are the enemy color pair that is the most similar. They may be opposite in that red prefers freedom, while white preferres order. However the big thing they do have in common is that both are moral. It is big enough for them to be potential allies. Red has morality in emotions and empathy. White has morality in government and communalism. I recently figured out that green is pretty weird in terms of philosophy. At first it seems to be about nature and being down to earth. There is also traditionalism, which is fine. People were closer to earth in the olden days before Christianity and industrialism. Funny thing is that green is allied to white. White has a lot of trappings of civilization, with both government and religion. White also has lots of flying creatures. That is a really big difference. It is like how I have earth and air be opposites in my system. Sometimes green is portrayed as being into harmony. Maybe that is just a desperate attempt to fit two opposing colors together. Green and blue is an enemy pair. That makes sense. Blue has the technology and progression to oppose green. Maybe green should have white and blue as its enemies. That would make sense. The allies would be black and red. Red works just fine. Together green and red form a primal and concrete pair. They lack the sophistication of blue and white. Green and black are enemy pairs. It makes some sense with the difference of life and death respectivly. However the two actually fit well. It is just that the green-black pair focuses on the harsher and nastier aspects of nature. The main part is rot and decay. It also gets into hunting and disease. There is enough similarity to form an allied pair. I think the harsher aspects are more inherent in nature than MTG gives credit for. Maybe the color pie would make more sense if the order was blue, black, green, red and white. Note this is a circle, so white in turn would go with blue. If one droped black, they would get the system i have. I do depict my earth aspect in a harsher way that lacks harmony. It is more about materialism. There is some amorality, which makes it an ally of the intellectual fire aspect. So I have my ways to adjust philosophy. In anybody else is interested, I advise to do your research and come up with your own ideas. I think a good place to start is the Greek humor system. A lot of stuff is drawn from that, including my own system.

Oh another thing. One shouldn't limit themselves to just TCGs. There are plenty of other games out there. I am a fan of Legend of Zelda and Catan. Those are a whole different thing. They would be worth checking out for ideas. I am a big fan of both TCGs and RPGs. I get a big creative spin by finding a way to combine the two. One game I am currently learning to play is Dungeons and Dragons. It is my first tabletop RPG. I am mainly drawn because I am a fan of fantasy and RPGs. The lore, adventures and classes seem so cool. Another thing that draws me is the prestige. Dungeons and Dragons and Magic the Gathering are the two main classics of fantasy games. They launched whole game genres. Both have plenty of other games following in their footsteps. This is worth the study, at least to see what all the fuss is about. I am barely getting the gist of Dungeons and Dragons. It is like World of Warcraft, but old fashioned. World of Warcraft is worth the study too. It is the most famous RPG as a computer game or video game. It has a whole host of its own games that follow in its footsteps. I see there is a tradeoff between tabletop and video game RPGs. Video games are better at being accessible for gameplay. They are better providing rich graphics. They are also easier to learn and play. The computer does so much stuff for the player. Tabletop games are better at being accessible for game development. They don't require a fancy computer to run. Making a game doesn't require any technical skills, such as coding. There is also a lot more freedom to change the game to suit the players. Maybe one isn't better than the other. It is just a matter of preference. I think of Dungeons and Dragons as a way to step up my game. It is more difficult than World of Warcraft, but there is also more creativity. I love how so much can change and vary. The content, rules and paraphernalia can all change. I am interested in being a dungeon master someday. Dungeon masters are the ones that get the creative control. So far my gameplay involves a lot of reading and writing while rolling fancy dice. I think there is stuff here that can apply to other games even card games. There are two cool details in the rules that I like. One is that attributes and other modifiers are added to dice rolls. Before I used multiplication to calculate attributes. However I like adding instead. It is easier, and it can make matches more even. Another thing I like is damage type. In Dungeons and Dragons, it is a minor thing. However I get excited, because it reminds me of the elements in Pokemon. I am not the only one that noticed. There are KZfaq videos about how apply the rules of Dungeons and Dragons to the Pokemon world. it is interesting. So I would like to execute my idea of mixing elements with classes.

Wow what's its name? Sounds like something that could be marketable to players of Mission: Red Planet, Raptor, Star Realms, Evolution: Climate, and Race for the Galaxy

1) I would call you an Unga bunga player. 2) Would you desire a "burning" deck in a since?

@@Yinyanyeow what are you talking about?

@@DefHalan Your deck battle style wants as little restraint as possible and would like to smash with as little to no power if possible. And was thinking you would want a deck requires you to use cards to burn instead of energy.

@@Yinyanyeow zero energy decks actually normally have more to do to get their attacks off. While in the latest set we got a couple of interesting options, before that the best Zero Energy deck required playing a particular supporter card. Since those are only 1 per turn and only 4 in the deck, having to recover and search that card out required a lot of effort. Zero Energy decks normally have a lot more trouble to get functioning in Pokemon.

@@DefHalan (yea, reason why I think the zero energy deck in some games is a task. I was crafting a game that can allow you to pick if to go powerless or not with certain effects and I'll say it is possible but requires good placement and tricks.)

Originality is gone, just like how all unicorns are gone. Everything is always derived to a certain extent.

The My little pony TCG was a fine game, minus that the best strategy was to horde the (not mana) until you can play enough cards to win the contest in a single swoop.

Though to follow up with that i had been helping a friend do a music based card game where you have 4 "mana" being notes and the idea is you are trying to compose more points then your opponent sadly they dropped it

That actually sounds kind of interesting. So you play cards by composing chords?

so wixoss's ener+lifecloth?

if have a "color wheel" makes one an MTG, that's retarded. The color wheel is much better than yugioh's "new archetype that doesn't play at all with any past archetype" nonsense. Borrowing good elements is good game design.

@@supermysterious66 ?

2 people playing solitaire at each other, not really interacting is a good game?

This makes me wonder why we don't see more games taking inspiration from Pokémon. I personally dislike its resource system because losing several turns' worth of Energy when something gets KO'd feels pretty bad, but I don't see this sentiment a lot. Maybe the Pokémon TCG is not considered (even in an "it shows that it's okay to be different from Magic" way) because many people see it as a collector thing first and a game second?

"unmixable attributes but choose 2 sets" honestly sounds like a great idea to combine the creativity and possibilities of mixable attributes, with whatever benefits that unmixable attributes are supposed to give

@@Iceykitsune Once again you did it you focus on the negative aspects ignoring any good aspects, this is the equivalent of saying “ Magic is a bad game you Brick because you have to play mana in your deck and you lose. Having a resource system sucks” or saying “ Dual master is a bad game, you get punished for attacking because of RNG , Bad experience” yes Yu-Gi-Oh house it’s problems but if the game is just Solitaire it would not have lived for so long

@@alexandrapharmic6635 i’ll be honest with you even though Kohdok says digimon it’s more of a duel masters alike, I find it plays more like a Pokémon Alike , investing into big monsters getting as much value out of them before they are ultimately destroyed or removed. Heck the breeding area shares a lot in common with pokemon‘s benched area

Watch the video on Sin 6 and make sure you're game has a plan to overcome the difficulties found in the video

messed your name up in excitement. im sorry!

Mitos Y Leyendas. And no, not really.

"The Only Thing They Fear is You", Doom Eternal.

@@Kohdok wow thanks, your the man …. Hey wait a minute.

so I wrote this comment before continuing in the video lol. I'll leave my comment up as an example of what not to do

True, YGO has a lot of the traits that should kill it but it survives purely via brand power.

I really can't look at Yugioh as a good template for any TCG.