What else would you burn your deck with, if not fire?

Burn it with the sheer force of your anger alone

Would still see play because it's a plus one

Well, a good insult would work.

I guess you could just use a oxidizing agent that technically burns things without itself being fire.

lol

🤣🤣🤣

babysinclairfan Agreed

I guess people with the original cards can ahve a good time in a no ruleset- casual duel. because they know their opponent has a very small chance of still having that og crushvirus Kappa

They need to fix Red-eyes fusion and black skull's summoning requirements

Or adding stipulations that are in the spirit of the card. For example a card like Scapegoat that summons tokens that can't be used for tribute summoning that was around when there were basically only Tribute summons could add that they can't be used for Xyz or Link Summoning later on

Wat gets me is they can persistently weaken cards but yet you have near unusable cards like the god cards. Dark sage great moth Gate guardian I could go on and on. These cards were origionaly nerfed as fuck. So they arent even usable. Where is the sense

Wrong! Chaos Emperor Dragon's actual effect after errata: Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned (from your hand) by banishing 1 LIGHT and 1 DARK monster from your GY. You can pay 1000 Life Points; send as many cards in both players' hands and on the field as possible to the GY, then inflict 300 damage to your opponent for each card sent to the opponent's GY by this effect. You cannot activate other cards or effects during the turn you activate this card's effect.

@@solaris9426 '-'

Doing so in 10 years, we will have a banlist, that contains 3.000 cards...

lol or errata sanwitch to be an effect monster with OG witch of the black forest/sangan upon summon. But I don't even call these errata cards, I call them dementia cards lol old cards that get worse over time, forgetting what they used to do.

Gan-san of the Black Forest.

Sangangan

They need to make the new card called “Son of Sangen” that is catchy and can be a pun on “Son of Sam” and “Son of Satan” since he is like a little demon and the “Son of Sam” was a literal killer and “Son of Satan” is the AntiChrist

You can always use sims like EDOPro to test old versions of cards

TehChemist N7 and they are doing it

That's what they're planning to do. Banlist is supposed to be a temporary thing for cards that need fixing or some time on the bench until the game moves forward enough.

KoneSkirata tell that to my boy stratos :( they said to him he just needed a short time out. Look where he still is...

Oligoden Very much agree.

That’s how they make their money lol.

At least if the card is garbage it's usable, rather then sitting torn up under table 501. Some cards will literally never come off the list without an errata. They will never un-ban Magical Scientist. Never. It will never fucking happen. Even if they do errata banned cards, it has to be better then them staying literally unusable forever.

@@bruhbruh4329 While that statement is partially true, cards like stratos and lavalval chain could become power crept off the banlist with no need for errata, but could also be errata'd and ruined before that could even happen, permanently ruining the card. Same could possibly go for the dragon rulers some day.

@@machomanalexyt5736 Stratos is already off the banlist. Chain stacked your death for degenerate BS too hard. The dragon rulers are never coming off. Galaxy Tomahawak and Psy-frames make them busted. What I was referring to was cards so badly designed they had to be banned. See Magical Scientist, Graceful Charity, Pot of Greed. Those cards are not coming off the ban list without an errata. Ever. It won't happen.

@@bruhbruh4329 Victory Dragon is another one but that was more a problem of them forgetting to add the Illegal label to this card.

@@420mralucard Honestly, they could just put the illegal label on Victory Dragon and then unban it. Saves space on the list I guess.

Stogen Logen thank you

Stogen Logen a hard one per turn none of this leave the field and do the effect once per turn crap

RIP Catapult Turtle FTKs

@Stogen Logen that or in some cases "once per duel"

Pot of Greed: Draw 2. Can only activate this effect of card with Pot of Greed's name OPD

Sadly, CED actually did already get an errata :(

Really? When? And how bad is it?

It's the same effect except during the entire turn that you use the effect (before and after) you're not allowed to use any other effects

So they basically ruined the Yata Garasu OTK.

Diablo Mask You're acting like that's a bad thing

I believe they do put some thought in design, just not the best thought haha

martyn kalendar I strongly prefer Konami's erratas to that of Hearthstone, one of the worst games from a balance point of view.

@@markmarkson4455 Hearthstone didn't have a ban list for the longest time, and even now it's only updated once per year and pretty much limited to classic set cards. As a result, they rely entirely on erratas to balance the game, and with all those edits, some are going to inevitably leave a sore spot.

The heart of the card babay

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Whoa. This game has designers?

It's you win the match silly, can't forget Victory Dragon can technically win you more than 1 duel

Yeah, that was literally the first thing I've thought, when I've heard that they're (ab)using the errata to change the effects of cards.

Or reverse where someone has an old necrovalley and you go, “Ok, I got you. I can only summon things from the GY except by their own effects. “

I could totally see the original sangan coming out of the ban list, it wouldn't even be over powered at this point.

@@ebox147 yes it would. Any deck that could get 3 sangan out would have 3 free searches for hand traps or extenders.

@@AxisChurchDevotee can only ash 1 ;) ash is a hopt

That's why physical TCGs don't *typically* do erratas... Hearthstone gets away with it because it's a easily patchable computergame. until a few days ago I didn't need errata were a thing (besides clearing up some ambigiouos card texts that made cost/effect hard to distinguish)

That's why cards are kept long enough on the banlist to were the physical card loses circulation. If someone has kept an ancient card pre-errata and are trying to play current YuGiOh, then the errata are the last things that got to worry about. They're probably still shocked over mechanic overhauls such as the first player doesn't draw at the start of their turn anymore or that their "Fusion Deck" is now called an "Extra Deck."

I couldn't play the modern game now because of said mechanic and rule changes. The older game was way better but Konami killed it every way they could've these days.

Magic used to back in the day but I doubt it now as the game is pretty much failing due to a number of reasons now.

Magic rarely does functional erratas besides stuff like creature types. Most errata makes old cards function in the current rules.

agree.. though they still ban brain control, the poorman's change of heart..

@@justsomedangerbigfootwithweb ..yeah.. saddening

Not to mention, most of the time you can't even use Brain Control, because now it can only be used on monsters that can be normal summoned or set.

They tried that with Imperial Order and look what happened.

magic is a unique in that they have cost in the form of mana. ygo has cost, but most cards have no cost to play.

GameModJr Konami could still have left sangan on the banlist and made the current effect on a new card. Call it, I don't know. Sangan Jr. Or something.

here we go with the legacy argument. what's the point of having sangan at all if it would be forever on the banlist? Worse yet, having a retrain released while having a perfectly good card that can be both released, with a erratum, and removed from the banlist at the same time. What do you think new players looking at the banlist will think seeing a 1000 card banlist when they first start because konami won't errata cards?

GameModJr it is a suggestion. Not necessarily what is best for yugioh, and whether errata and unban or retrain, leaving the banned card on the list for whatever reason, be it that the card is too memey (pot of greed) or the new text fucks with the flavor of the card (what should have happened with future fusion) etc. Pot of desires could have easily been them just slapping a cost of banishing 10 on to pot of memes and unbanning it, but they made it a whole new card instead.

Also, Most new players probably don't care about what's already banned, as if it's on the banlist, Konami presumably wouldn't reprint it in a set (barring the duelist packs, they don't count), especially not one designed to attract new players like a starter deck. Plus, if you are going to make a functional reprint (card that does the exact same thing) of a banned card, why not just unban the banned card and reprint it. Going back to the MtG example, WotC has a list of cards that due to various reasons (mostly having to do with the collector's value of the cards) they will NEVER reprint, nor can they reprint a functionally identical card, as it would violate their reprint policy. I know that the design philosophies and gameplay of Yugioh and MtG are VERY different, but there are places where the two took different decisions about things, so they make for an interesting comparison. The Reserved List (the list of cards that will NEVER be reprinted) has some cards on it that have seen the MtG equivalent of retrains where the cards are arguably weaker, but due to multiple formats, etc still see play. Examples being Black Lotus (tap, sac, add 3 mana of any one color) -> Lotus Petal (tap, sac and one mana of any color) or Original Dual Lands (Tap for one of two colors of mana, no downside, has basic land types) -> Shock Lands (Tap for one of two colors of mana, enters tapped unless you pay 2 life, has basic land types). By your argument, there is no point to black lotus since it is banned/restricted in both legacy and vintage respectively and they should have made lotus petal an errata to black lotus. However, WotC does not errata cards unless the old rules text either 1. no longer works under the current rules or 2. There was a typo that led to an infinite loop of some kind. I am not equating YGO to MtG. I play both. I know how different the two are. I am using the differences of design philosophy between the two games as a comparison.

But there not completely different effects, most of them are just nerfed version of the banned cards effects

@@pandemonium2536 but the effect has been changed enough to the point that they are essentially different cards

@@ssjbread2803 Okay well what's the problem? If the cards are Banned then the effect is clearly broken and needs to be banned, so change the effect. Keep the same general idea but make it not broken. Sure this makes it a "Completely new card" but if it was banned who cares? You couldn't use the old card anyway so it essentially didn't exist.

@@pandemonium2536 Because power creep will often eventually bring cards off the banlist anyway, and making a reprint of the card with the errata has legitimately the same effect as making a retrain of it, except retrains don't fuck with the original card.

My guess as to the "why" is to try to trick people who are familiar with the old cards but sold them because they were banned with such good reason to then buy them again.

Inu San You say that but I the other day I was playing my fun deck against some kind of classicaly built tele dad deck on db and after I came back from a horrible brick and take him down to no cards in hand and field he actually topdeck brain4games me I was infuriated but very impressed, still don't think I'll ever run it though

Nouvelle Vague so you agree anyways? lol

Inu San I certainly don't mind that since Change of Heart exists unaltered, and Brain Control was always sort of meant to be a more legal Change of Heart.

Change of Heart is searchable by E-Hero Shadow Mist. CoH's name alone needs to be changed

sd sd Shadow Mist only searches Quick-Play Spell Cards for that reason.

Reminds me of the og man eater bug: "FLIP: Destroys 1 monster on the field (regardless of position)."

Team Time Riders I came here to say basically the same thing. I think that erratas are damaging to the nostalgia of the game when there’s already a fix in place to keep overpowered cards in check (the ban list). It puts a weird taste in my mouth with Konami. Why would you go so far as to reprint cards and errata them to cover up past mistakes? It just feels wrong.

yeah, because having a card forever on the ban list, and thus, unusable outside of traditional format is so much better. I'd rather have cards i can use, and have it errata'd, then to have a waste of cardboard and ink in my binder.

To be honest construct is probably too abuseable to come off the ban list. It's not a problem in shaddolls it's a problem because it would become the new engine people would run in the game. People would run like 3 shaddolls with shaddoll fusion in any deck with a good light target and now you have in certain circumstances a better brilliant fusion.

It's coming off the banlist in OCG. With Ash and Infinite Transience in the game now, Construct isn't the big threat she used to be.

Committing Sudoku that's like saying brilliant fusion isn't a threat. Construct by itself I agree no issue it's going to be a problem when you put it with a board dinos can make or the plant zombiesworn deck when they're getting things like ultimate conductor tyranno or omegas etc. Then on top of it you will have to deal with a winda a lot of the time and construct will be just a help break the board card. Then on top of that you will be able to put a light monster to grave like snow. Plus with brilliant fusion still being a thing with the predaplant engine you might have a brilliant fusion already in hand and search out the shaddoll fusion vice versa. Then you've also got to consider you will be able to mill beast with it too for an extra draw. Plus you will be able to keep adding the fusion spell back to hand. Basically you will be adding another engine into decks with a ton of great engines. The ocg have addressed the predaplant engine already but using the ocg as an example isn't a good way to prove anything as no one has seen the results of it yet. Overall I don't think it's going to break their meta but it will be the new abusable engine imo.

Lets look at Crush Card Virus, honestly its pretty much an example of a bad errata Not only it ruins its legacy but the fact it well.. no one is going to use it now That's the problem with the erratas, they could nerf a card too much and no one will run it Like why the hell does CCV lets your OPPONENT choose if up to 3 monsters in their deck dies in a horrible way by a virus instead of you? What kind of virus does that?? And if an errata is not done right it will also mess up the theme of a card in a way Like how Chaos End Emperor will not get itself killed when nuking the field Pretty much ruins its credibility as a powerful dragon it gets killed by its own abilities(as in gets blown up along with everything on the field..) Should have been you take damage too and it can't attack on for a bit and maybe up its LP cost(nuking everything for a stack? That seems to be pushing it) And I've been hearing people saying no one will run it at all, which is bad..

you NEVER errata cards in a printed TCG unless it's a general errata like making all planeswalkers legendary in magic. You ban the card and print another. Old banned cards have their charm and destroying them like this is just... nonsensical, again, theu can just fucking print a fixed version.

as long as the core effect is still there,it's good..proper paraphrasing if their concern is just confusion in reading/understanding the card's effect.. just dont alter its original effect/or put additional effects that are unnecessary..

An errata will turn Stratos into an immediate 3-of in both the OCG and TCG

StrAtos is free

You got your wish

Future Duelists, you got your desires.

It’s at 3 now!

Manuel Melchor Miranda III Literally Cardcar D

@@sirbedivere5670 as a spell so technically psy frame got a free plus 2

Well said! (This is a lot simpler than the way I put it the other day. 😂)

If they errata Pot of Greed, we will need to ask... Just what does Pot of Greed do?!?

Just draw 2 and be c*ckblocked from special summoning It should have been you lose 2000 LP since its story stated if you put your hand in the pot and try to take it out, the pot will explode And maybe also not able to draw anymore that turn(since the explosion could mess up your hand that draws stuff)

Truth be told a hard once-per-turn clause on Pot of Greed and it could come off the banlist with just that change. This game is so fast now, that Pot of Greed isn't the advantage it used to be... Hell my Pendulum Magician Deck would probably be faster without it because Pot of Greed is not a searching card.

The issue with it is that it's an empty +2 that any deck can use. Just too generic for what it is. A hard once per turn wouldn't do anything, because even if it is to come back, it'll be limited. But yeah, it will never come off unless it gets an errata.

I thought Pot of Greed was a +1. Anyway, the fact that it would be a staple card wouldn't be a bad thing. Many powerful limited cards are staples. Perhaps adding a cost and not a condition would be better? Not being able to special summon is too much for me but a cost of 50% LP would be great. You get advantage but it hurts, however it hurts less the longer the duel has gone on, and it would be always usable. We'll need to ask, What does Pot of Greed do?!

Anthony Thompson Critias Fusion Effects are supposed to be better than the Traps they were made from, and Doom Virus Dragon certainly fits the bill...

No, no and no. The fact they copypasted CCV onto another card and turned it into what basically amounts to a free foolish burial is fucking retarded. Doom Virus was fine as he was with his anime effect. He was essentially a King Tiger Wanghu for stronger cards

Honestly the errata should have ben it lets YOU(not the enemy) choose to kill off monsters from the deck

look at your opponents deck and destroy up to 3 monsters?

that would put it right back on the banlist until another errata. Looking at the opponents deck is a cheater's dream, letting them fuck up their next draw to ruin their plan and getting rid of their three best monsters that they have. And it just gives you an idea of what to prepare for. With that, our buddy stratos wouldn't see play at all even if he did get off the banlist.

You are at 1 in the OCG, so its impossible to happen.

What level of autism does someone need to pretend to be a card?

f. g Oh yeah... thank God xD

TheOneTrueLandS What level of autism must one have to call others autistic without knowledge, hence displaying their ignorance to the world, over the Internet. Keyboard warriors like you disgust me. It’s a character (I’m evidently not serious), get over yourself, get a job, get a girlfriend, get a life. Anything to keep you using the same old insults over the damn internet. Good day

Brother Bear Couldn’t have said it better myself

LOL, I'm pretty sure the only card that has survived Blizzard was Spreading Plague. How many Warsong Commanders have you seen recently? Starving Buzzards? Arcane Golems? What about the new Fiery War Axe? Blizzard may even be worse than Konami at game balance lol.

well that was a fix to correct text more than a change, we had basically used it illegally due to misinformed text they made grand horn and strike. bottomless and torrential could still somewhat hurt pendulum. and of course warning.

I'm fine with errata that matches the TCG to the OCG rulings.

Pot of Greed Errata: Draw two cards; Skip your next two Draw Phases.

@@solaris9426 I'd argue that this would be useful if you want to end the game or in a really hard spot.

nah it would be like "both players draw 1 card, then you send 2 cards from your hand to the gy and skip your next battle phase and draw phase. "

@@solaris9426 That's just reckless greed as a spell card. It would be very strong and probably limited or maybe even banned...

They should put a limit on special summons per turn, similar to what they do with normal summons.

Personally I like how unique the lack of a resource mechanic made the game, allowing people to play extended combos turn 1, and special summoning was initially a relatively rare thing unless you were running fusion and even then you mere mainly special summoning fusion monsters - not exactly a way to spam those when you needed a fusion-creating card and 2+ monsters each time. And then Synchros came about and suddenly people needed to be able to flood their field to make effective use of these new cards and Konami was happy to provide, which meant that those turn 1 combos - instead of translating to a strong array of support cards and a solid monster or two - created a strong array of support cards and a dominating monster presence. XYZs further supported this albeit without any notable increase in power creep (they really did function more as a "synchro alternative" than "synchro+") When they really jumped the shark in my opinion was pendulum. I have no idea how they ever thought that that was balanced or a good idea, although Link at least made it so people could no longer get five completely free summons each turn.

@@rickyroughton8098 problem with link tho is it kills several decks. It forces u to use them. Its a errata to the rules. Konami shouldnt have made sp. Summs so easy.

No I would say that more makes certain interactions like doing anything to your opponents hand, or having effects that can easily be triggered more than once a turn, or floodgate cards very difficult to balance. But magic has its own version of these in ways, like mental misstep which is functionally a hand trap, is one of the most broken cards in that games history

Bro i wish

This all stems from Yu-Gi-Oh not really having formats which makes it much harder to design cards for without a ton of power creep, Magic before modern used to have a lot more situations like Yu-Gi-Oh where they printed stuff that was just fundamentally broken or they missed crazy card interactions because the gaps between sets were so vast

The value to those players is both the effect AND the name. If a player uses Pot of Greed, they want to emulate it exactly how it was on the show, and draw 2 cards. Not once per turn pay 800 life points, shuffle their hand into the deck and then draw two cards.

Lord Delta good point. Those type of generic cards only tend to be more broken if eventually released from the banlist. But archtypal cards could all come out of the list one day or another

maxx c is in the game

PokéKid "Blank card is in the game" Is not an appropriate excuse for anything. If a card with the effect "Special summon any number of monsters from your deck ignoring their summoning conditions" was made, would it be fair because Ash Blossom is in the game?

if i had said it wouldnt matter because ash blossom is in the game, your point stands. i said maxx c is in the game because it gets more plusses than pot of greed and people believe it should go to 3. it also pressures the progression of your opponent, making them stop playing the game. i understand your reasoning on having a generic plus 1, but cards like maxx c are played every format in every deck and get so much more reward than 1 pot of greed, we could even say gamma but thats alot more situational. maxx c is as freely active and consistent as 1 pot of greed in the game. true draco plays demise and that deck has been a thing since post banlist. true draco isnt a good example though since its plays arent as consistent or powerful as magicians or spyral hence its decline even more. a pretty good example for demise would be on its release with kozmo and qli. i could have said pot of desires, that would have been a good example. the only difference is its not a starter card like pot of greed. its an additional extender to get better defense. so its an opposite greed in the same context. 1 is a generic plus 1 for starting your engine. its banned 1 is a generic plus 1 (and tech -9) for making your end board stronger. its at 3

Lord Delta I do prefer it dead

Simpleton Apollo CED is already errata'ed in the OCG. You can activate any other effects the turn you use its effect and its burn damage is reduced.

You do know that Raigeki was taken off the ban list, and was not changed, right?

"I am using Sangan as it was originally fucking intended" then your friend stops playing you because you're making illegal plays.

Why was Sangan banned though? It is a weak card compared to Pyramid Turtle, since it only puts it in your hand, and 1500 limit on attack is worse than a 1500 limit on defense.

pyramid turtle needs to be destroyed by battle, for starters.

Arctangent who the fuck plays sanwitch??? Lol

+DrewskiTheLegend More than the people who play Neo Bubbleman, that's undeniable.

dude when they make the new card they can just do the "(this card counts as X for the purposes of Y)" shit its EZ

+Chris Messier Okay, but why? That's still effectively just an errata, only it doesn't affect Traditional Format. So, it clutters up databases and adds confusion for literally no reason, because nobody plays Traditional.

?????? thats like the dumbest thing ive heard today, when you print the new card that is a non banned version of Sangan you just give that new card text that makes it count for Sanwitch, that's not "effectively" an errata and oh no a card has slightly more text on it, in YUGIOH, oh no people might get confused about this very clear and concise effect, IN YUGIOH

+Gold ye

dzeeff. Personaly i think its sad that people want cards to comeback and when they do they gripe and bicker about the errata its mean i mean take a walk in the shoes of everyone at konomi they try to get a game out there create new cards create stories and lore and even try to give people what they want but all they probably get is why is stratos not off the list or why you make goyo guardian garbage they do what they can to live up to our expectations but noone is ever pleased no matter what say something needs a good card get a bad card then a good card and say its too good its sad not annoying cause this is the internet a place to voice opinion bu tjust sad

Honestly Construct doesn't need an errata Its not dangerous as it was back then..

Not a good argument horror radio, it is illogical to reason that way as more often than not it's not the same people complaining. Lets say some people complain about the taste of coca cola. Now, what if the coca cola company changes the taste of their cola? Simple: Another group of people that liked the old taste and dislikes the new one will complain. This new group of complainers is not being mean to the company, and they are also not inconsistent in their complaints.

interesting idea

White Oni I see your point, but having multiple versions of a card floating around with different effects isn't exactly simpler.

*grammar nazi spotted*

Except you're still going to have a limited and semi-limited list even if you could get every card off the forbidden list.

"Stalk holders"

a card being broken now garbage has no point if there was any anyways, you still wouldnt use it either way making eratas useless.

PokéKid but not all erratas that weaken make a card garbage, but some make a card garbage, but a card being terrible when it used to be broken, is from Power Creep, an Errata is manual power creep basically

Potato every card that has gotten an errata due to being forbidden on the banlist is garbage, thats 1 of the reasons everyone is fed up with erratas. power creep has nothing to do with it, and ive never heard of manual power creep. doesnt really make sense either

Power creep is exactly why these banned cards shouldnt be touched. Whose to say in future metas cards like Future fusion and ccv wouldnt be balanced and playable? Now they'll never be playable because Konami nerfed them into the ground

Thgirw Gnagflow Exactly, besides “manual power creep”, is just retarded. Power Creep is not, nor has it ever been, a good thing.

It damages those cards' reputation and iconic nature, which in turn makes Konami and the game look kinda shitty to any casual players (i.e. where literally 99% of new players come from) that find out. Plus it's honestly just kind of disrespectful to the card's history.

Dexxus nostalgia is cool and all, but i hardly see why anyone should care when they cant play said cards regardless. All of it is a memory, and it'll simply be that. Plenty enough to preserve the legacy already. Traditional tournies are next to non existent and anyone who is casual can simply play old effects if they care that much anyways. Newbies shouldnt care especially, when said cards were nver part of their timeline as a player nor will it matter when those cards are out of print for them to access to begin with.