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I prefer this over the all the Caitlin Clark talk.

AGREED!!!!! So happy to see NHL get some love. It takes a big story and that's ok.

This series was huge for hockey. My Panthers winning after 30 years as a franchise, after 25 years between playoff series wins, it is huge for hockey in SFL!

You do know they’re only talking about it because they’re obligated to talk about it because it was a game 7. I’m a less than casual hockey fan, basically not a fan, but saying the goalie who was scored on plenty of times in the series should win the trophy is absurd. Yeah they won the title but they were out scored in the series

I give Shannon some credit for trying to discuss some hockey. Obviously, he still has a lot to learn about the game.

So should PK go on Pat McAfee show then lol 😂

emphasis on 'trying' ... well done, sir :)

Respectfully stopping under 25 shots in a game is easy work. You should be looking at legit scoring chances. Connor just had too many points to not give it to him. Brobrovsky certainly played well last night but his defence in front of him was lights out. Played disciplined in their zone. Took away lanes. Stayed out of the box. Man it is tough to win 4 games in a row against the same team.

Having PK in there helps alot. It's clear Shannon and SAS are casuals, like most first take viewers. PK helps bridge the gap between casual and real hockey talk

Happy Birthday Shannon!!!!!!!

💎💎💎

Florida was a special team this year with a lot of special characters like Paul Maurice. It’s shown the growth of hockey.

Stephen a critiquing mcdavid is spot on

The fact is that McDavid went cold in the Post season, he only had 8 goals 1 being an empty netter in game 6 of the cup finals, And there's 3 players from teams who didn't go to the championship that have more goals than McDavid just for clarity, I don't care if you had 32 assists you can't give out the MVP for that in a loss@@insertlastname

He knew about Giguere and the ducks, Shannon actually knows more than you may think...lol

I know bro

Most definitely, maybe after Stephen A learns the sport lmao

What McDavid did in the post-season was unreal. Only Lemieux and Gretzky put up those kinds of numbers. The Conn Smythe trophy is for the WHOLE playoffs. Not just the final, unlike other sports.

The Conn went to the only option

He had 25% more points than the next closest and the other main scoring option Draistl was scoreless in last 8 games. Not even debatable about who should have won the award.

The only viable option was mcdavid he broke records. Sergi started off great but had a horrible run in the three losses in the finals plus his numbers I'm the playoffs at a whole were very very similar to Stuart skinner so no he shouldn't have won

@@nicholasappelhans4987thank you!!! It’s the whole playoffs not just the finals. Not even a debate

Dueled it out with Vasy, Swayman, Igor and Skinner

that means the nhl has made it

Am I trippin’ or is PK literally in the middle of this?

I agree

It’s a “debate” show, PK is the only real hockey guy there. Most of the others are pretending.

Agreed

There ain't none lol

Exactly.

Someone gave him notes lol

Shannon did his research

He does his homework

Dude beat Gretzky’s assist record and was only 5 points from being number one, with a hand that’s likely getting surgery in the off season. Mcdavid wasn’t right all season yet this is how far they got, nobody especially a guy as great as Connor goes from 64 goals to 32 without a serious injury.

I’m not taking away from how awesome he was. There’s no chance Edmonton gets it to game 7 without him. I personally have a problem with losers getting a trophy for their individual performance. It’s a team sport. You failed to get the job done. Under NHL logic, LeBron would be a nine time finals MVP.

@@bencarter8423 Tbh I agree, but to me it was only between Bob and McDavid. Barkov being a -1 in the playoffs negate’s him for me, and Tckuck was a -5 in SCF’s so I definitely think it was Bob.

Where was Connor McDavid for games 1, 2, 3, and 7??? Bob has been as great as McDavid. Bob had a few lapses for a few games on the ROAD. He played the best game of his life and won. So, Bob should've won that trophy. It becomes meaningless when giving it to a player from the losing team.

@@Dawg476lets be fair. Barkov was only -1 facing probably the most killer lineup of forwards in the playoffs. Only one he didnt face was Matthews. But he was on the ice shutting down Kucherov, Pasta, Panarin and co. and lastly McDavid. Only -1. And its not like Barkov was lighting up the scoreboard. Everytime those guys where on the ice Maurice made sure that Barkov was on the ice. And everytime he was on ice those star offensive players werent as big of a threat.

"One guy, even the best player of all time, has so little impact on the overall game compared to the NBA and NFL." This comment can easily be disproven and is grossly overstated. Without McDavid, the Oilers would've been lucky to get past the Kings. Also, historically, goalies are known to carry teams to championship. Moreover, the best skaters (non-goaltenders) in hockey very often win championships.There are countless great players in the NBA and NFL who didn't win it all. Hockey is no more a team sport than any other. In fact, baseball, which on the surface looks like an individual sport, requires more contributions from more players than all others. That's why all-time greats like Ted Williams, Ken Griffey, and Mike Trout never even played in World Series.

They might mean the amount of times hes made the offs since being in the league

Only because of how many games he played. His ppg for these playoffs is only good for 57th all time.

@dannycarlow8204 I hate defending McDavid because I'm not a fan... but with 42 points in 25 games he's 4 on the season total chart.

@@S_67F Saying it took 25 games to hit 42 points is not defending him. His playoffs two years ago was impressive, not this year. If a goalie let in 2 goals on 10 shots and the other had let in 2 goals on 40 shots, is one performance better or are they equal?

@@dannycarlow8204 how long have you been watching hockey?

@@S_67F I saw Wayne play live multiple times as an Oiler so I've been watching for over 40 years now, how about you? Why won't you answer the question I asked? Are you worried about something?

In 1980s Gretzky's time NHL 8 goals per game! Today only 6 goals per game! McDavid his play-offs assists record is amazing! You can not compare todays numbers to high scoring 1980s! If Auston Matthews had played In 1982 he would had scored over 100 goals easily beating Gretzky's 92 goal record easily! Ovechkin ERA only 5,3-6 goals per game NHL! If Ovechkin had played high scoring 1980s he would had scored over 1200 goals easily! And Edmonton Oilers 1980s much better team than Edmonton Oilers 2024 or Toronto Maple Leafs or Washington Capitals!

He doesn’t know football, boxing, golf, baseball, or even basketball really because he missed on most of his picks. But he knows his range on most topics knows when to defer.

Bob was awful 3 last game , its not a series award its a playoff not 7 game !!

@@aguertin_17 the only reason it got to 7 was because he was terrible.

@@7001murphybut he was the biggest reason they won the 4 games. Him and Barkov were amazing in the wins. Mcdavid was awful the first 3 games and the last game. It goes both ways like that.

McDavid no showed in Game 6 and Game 7.

McDavid had zero points in Games 1, 2, 6 and 7, emphasis on 6 and 7. #Fraud

It's very debatable. The reason they needed to claw back is because McDavid wasn't producing early in the series. Then he was held scoreless in games 6 and 7.(the two most important games of his life) He was also scoreless in game 7 vs Van. He played 25 games to get that record compared to Wayne's 19 games. McDavid's ppg this playoffs is only good for 57th all time. The other four 40+ point seasons are 1st, 8th, 23rd and 58th. His ppg in the last two games of each series combined was 1.125 compared to his 1.941 ppg in the other 17 games. He was disappearing late in each series when his team needed him most.The other four 40+ efforts are the exact opposite where Wayne and Mario were killers in the last two games of playoff series.

Dude PK played in the NHL for 13 seasons and he’s an analyst

2 guys and one ex hockey professional…

Of course not they probably didn’t know it was going on

@@tigerhoods7927 Stephen A went to the game, but I seriously doubt he understood any of what was happening outside of Goals. He probably doesn’t even know What “icing the puck” is

It makes more sense than comparing either to Wayne. I've actually wondered why people don't compare McDavid to Mario, they always compare him to Wayne for some reason. Mario and Connor can fight for 2nd and 3rd.

I saw plenty of Lemieux. He couldn't skate like McDavid. Also, it's a lot harder to score now than it was in Lemieux's era, especially the 80s and early 90s.

@@NatTurnerswitBurnerz It's not a lot harder to score today. More goals back then doesn't mean it was easier. Power play % over the last 5 years is almost identical to the pp% of the second half of the 80's. If you took away video review and added 3-4 power plays per game to today's game, I guarantee scoring would be equal to or exceed 80's scoring. It's pretty much just as easy to physically score today, the conditions are what's different which hinder scoring today.

lol facts that’s what espn wants tho

P.K Subban used to play for Montreal.

@@nicholasappelhans4987and Nashville and the Devils. 😊

I am surprised they even talked about it at all. ESPN cares more about darts than hockey. Surprised they didn’t mention Caitlin Clark at least once😅😅

Right just ignore the guy who played in the NHL for 13 years💀

He broke Gretzky's record for playoff assists.

What's wrong with covering all sports.

@@kmo1765 everybody wants all sports to be included. First take only talks about hockey once a year. Only sports they care about is football and basketball and baseball. 2 years ago the NHL gave ESPN a massive contract and we still don’t get more coverage for this sport. No pregame or postgame shows like baseball and basketball.

@@user-wd4zc3py4w youre not wrong, but look at the view counts for the nhl segments yesterday . they are abysmal

@@user-wd4zc3py4wthey cover sports that make them money and ratings..shocker

Oh yeah ignore the NHL multi time all-star on the panel

@@deeqtv9803 I loved PK as a player but it's embarrassing to watch the other two pretend to know anything about hockey. Too transparent

@@jackhamilton5250 they’re clearly self aware that they’re not the most versed in hockey, which is why they brought their hockey guy in to help with the segment and they both asked him questions about his opinion directly. I think you’re mad about nothing.

Being snobbish about a sport is incredibly moronic. If the segment brings non-hockey fans to the game because of SAS and Shannon, then so be it. Whether he knows what icing is isn't relevant to the topic.

That’s why TK is there. Do you know how many hockey fans complain about FIRST TAKE not mentioning NHL in their shows even though the parent network ABC is broadcasting the SC Finals?

There are a number of players in The Hockey Hall of Fame who have lost more playoff Games than McDavid.

At the current moment, yup. Ghosted the last 2 games. Plus he’s had good rosters to get cups as well, no excuses

Ding-ding-ding-ding!

@@7001murphy Yet they still force feed him the MVP