Espresso Grinder Tier List

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I'm ranking the best and worst espresso grinders according to my experience (and also hearsay and guesswork). I hope you enjoy this, it was a lot of fun to make.
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@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

My Espresso Tier List video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/npdhqreVvq_SlZ8.html Which grinder did I miss that should have been included? Was I wrong about the Niche? What tier list should I do next?

@vinct7023 10 ай бұрын

Rancilio Stile does replace the rocky and seems to be a very solid grinder in terms of construction and grinded cofee results.

@bassman12 2 жыл бұрын

Got my Kopi Deva last week and i am already in love.

@sergn717 2 жыл бұрын

Missed all of the Option-O grinders! :) I got the Niche in March this year, and it took less than 2 weeks between when I ordered it and when it was delivered. Either I got lucky or they fixed the supply issues!

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't used any of them and don't know anything really about them. I only really included grinders I have some knowledge of and/or have used (other than the Weber Key and the Ceado E37Z Hero). I'd love to try one out!

@grotius912 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Where would you put the DF83? Is it worth the extra spend relative to the DF64?

@homecafecharlie Жыл бұрын

S tier for sure! My favourite grinder ever

@XxMrKing45xX 2 жыл бұрын

Just got a Rancilio Silvia and using my old Encore. Any tips for more consistent shots?

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

On the encore it's tough, but you can play around with dose more. Overfill the basket (standard double on Silvia is 15g, so bump it up to 17) so you have more room to grind a little coarser. Good luck with it!

@Iceman-xe7jo 2 жыл бұрын

The Breville Smart Pro and Ranchilio are built really for drip, pour over or French press. I have a Baratza Virtuoso that I use “strictly for drip. I wouldn’t use one of these new grinders for drip and expresso. I don’t want the hassle of dialing in the grinds every time. I’m personally more of a drip/pour over person so the attention to detail is much more with expresso making. In that case getting a higher priced quality grinder would benefit expresso making a lot.

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this is definitely an espresso grinder video, not really about pour over (as I don't do much of this myself).

@hellsacolyte 2 жыл бұрын

Reading the comments one can’t escape the feeling that your several mentions of this just being a fun video was missed 🤣

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

I know right... 😓

@shanewilson2152 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Charlie

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@La_La_La3 2 жыл бұрын

I think Niche (for the real price) is a good grinder for those that like conical burr, which is not me. I am very hesitate on the DF64 because it is made in China. The base price is insanely cheap but how many actually don't upgrade to the SSP burr when ordering brand new? I am with you on the Eureka. I also don't like that dialing mechanism but since they have so many different grinders looking the same (exterior) and color choices, many are purchasing them. My front runner upgrade for me right now is the Ceado E5P. I love the price and the specs.

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't upgrade to the SSB burrs and the grinder is awesome 😍 E5P would be a sweet upgrade though

@La_La_La3 2 жыл бұрын

@@homecafecharlie I am going to have to do some more research. The pricing on the standard one currently is so good ($385) and comes in so many colors, I might not be able to resist.

@frankie_6394 2 жыл бұрын

Can you take these (and maybe a few others) and list them best for the money at different price points? I have one of the Breville grinders and it's treating me well so far, but I have thought about looking into other grinders, but I have a hard time justifying some of those prices, especially when I'm not sure it's going to make that big of a difference.

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, for most home users I would recommend a niche zero or a DF64. There are other ones in the same bracket, but those two are the most popular and consistent in my experience. You'll get a much better espresso from that than the Breville 😉

@6guitarplayer 2 жыл бұрын

I’m in the United States and I didn’t have any problem getting my niche and I love it!

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

My friend tried to get one and couldn't, then when they came up they ran out of stock really fast and then all showed up on second hand markets for double the price 😭

@HaekalAlchatieb 2 жыл бұрын

Df64 is the best value for me 😁

@10000roman 7 ай бұрын

We have 6 of the Victoria mythos one in the coffee shops in celebrity cruises and damn!!! They are one hell of a machine, definitely a 10/10 for me

@esdeathchan4354 2 жыл бұрын

Hello sir, im new to this coffee enthusiast and im looked up at your video the difference between grinder from manual to wpm grinder, but i dont understand the meaning of hand grinder is tend to be more accurate and "less statistic", what is statistic in coffee grinder? Is it a factor that produce a good coffee? And is uneven flavor you talking in that other video means the coffee taste not good? I dont have much money so im consider the manual grinder you use in other video ( i think its called hario if im not mistaken?) Please help me to understand what that means, thank you!

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

Static is a kind of electricity that happens in coffee grinders because of the friction created by fast spinning. It causes clumping and that's not good for espresso, as water will unevenly pass through clumps. Hario is a good start for pour over. Good luck on your coffee journey!

@esdeathchan4354 2 жыл бұрын

@@homecafecharlie oh man i dont believe u reply to my beginner question! If you say so then im gonna buy that manual grinder! Man thank you very much for answering me! God bless and may your days full of happiness!

@galartsi 2 жыл бұрын

The Eureka Mignon that you mentioned here is not meant for Espresso. I would like to see how you place the Specialita or the XL instead. Yes, they look the same, but why change something that is already perfect? They are small, rather cheap (my Specialita cost less than 400 euro), and the ability to choose the level according to your budget without taking away the small footprint and style, just make it that much better.

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

Fair enough, they have a good grinder design, but they have like 15 models that look identical. How is anyone supposed to figure that out before they buy when marketing using the word espresso. Takes a lot of research to figure out which is which...

@galartsi 2 жыл бұрын

@@homecafecharlie Easily - read the name... I made the same research. It is not really that confusing. Their website is clear and shows exactly which grinder is meant for what kind of coffee making type (including pour over, prench press and espresso...). Burr size, features and so on - all super clear. Saying that the grinders "look alike and are confusing" is just a lazy way to summarize this topic. And looking at the Silenzio - this is one of the cheaper options on their arsenal. If you'd compare the XL, which is just ±600 euros and has 65mm burrs, you would not put it as anything less than A.

@jonnyleslie1 2 жыл бұрын

Totally subjective, but I really don't like the way they look. Having many product that look the same is a poor choice for a brand. As you have alluded to in your comment, you can easily pick the wrong one.

@nikolasdomin8718 2 жыл бұрын

It's realy not super clear. Look for example on the new range: What's the difference between Stark and XL? Does Dolce Vita have the Super Low Retention like other ORO, or just the bigger burrs have it? One has to dig into each grinder parameters and check every value to find out - and still end up with two totaly identical grinder with different name.

@laberK0re Жыл бұрын

The Silenzio is meant for Espresso…

@RobertoOrtis Жыл бұрын

How good is the Rancilio Stile grinder?

@homecafecharlie Жыл бұрын

Not sure, I haven't used it. I hear it's a good one, better than the Rocky.

@RobertoOrtis Жыл бұрын

@@homecafecharlie i am about to buy my first prosumer coffee machine for home. I have approximately $3k USD to spend on the espresso machine and a grinder. I am aiming for a Rancilio Silvia Pro X and the Stile grinder. At that price range, do you think I am good or I have better options?

@coffeemonstar2 7 ай бұрын

Good list. I would rate ek higher. The only downside of ek is price and size. I had ek43s its perfect for home, and now i got a ekk and i dont mind its size. Df83 is also great with better burrs, however when compare to ek its not as good.

@DemirJPN 2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%

@theonly170 2 жыл бұрын

I’m the market for a new grinder, also based in Japan! Do you know a local distributor that sells the DF64 in Japan?

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

I got mine from Espresso Outlet. I put a link in the description. Joe sent it to me for the review but if you message him and tell him Charlie sent you, I'm sure he will help you out if he can. I don't really know where else to get reasonably priced grinders in Japan. I always buy from overseas haha

@AdastraRecordings 2 жыл бұрын

There's going to be an explosion of 64mm grinders, already two more on the market both with rpm control, this is where the Niche will finally lose.

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

I wanna see some more conical burrs in the same price point with similar performance.

@Nevermindthrbrewmethod 2 жыл бұрын

@@homecafecharlie Agreed, I think that’s what Weber were aiming for with the Key but they botched the workflow so now the P64 looks like the winner in that price bracket.

@Shenanilanigans 2 жыл бұрын

@@homecafecharlie I know the Orbit, what other grinder is coming out?

@Nevermindthrbrewmethod 2 жыл бұрын

@@Shenanilanigans Gluons G64.

@AlejandroPDX 2 жыл бұрын

I do love my niche but i feel overall it’s probably $50-100 overpriced. I’m surprised the Lagom P64 or Lagom mini weren’t listed but there are just so many grinders nowadays!!

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the market for home grinders has blown up! Personally I'm happy about it, more choices and more chance of finding a truly great grinder for a decent price. More competition is good 😎

@Nevermindthrbrewmethod 2 жыл бұрын

I'll say this about the Sette, it's absolutely capable of pulling god shots on my ECM E61 with flow control and the retention is insanely low, which makes it great for single dosing as long as you respect the duty cycle, but it is loud, ugly and now over priced. Not just my opinion either, saw a side by side Sette vs Niche, barely anything in it for espresso, but for pour over, well that's a different story. Quite happy to take your decisions with a very large pinch of salt, oh that Ceado though, did you watch the specs video at all? It's not actually overpriced once you consider the craftsmanship that went into it, can pick them up second hand as well.

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yes I've seen spec sheets on the Ceado and watched some videos about it. Like I said in the video, it's probably great but I am never gonna spend $5.5k on a coffee grinder 🤣

@Nevermindthrbrewmethod 2 жыл бұрын

@@homecafecharlie I'm never gonna buy a Ferrari, but a boy must dream, sometimes.

@JustTony72 2 жыл бұрын

If you're ever in South Australia, come play with the Key and Kopi Deva side by side. don't have deep pockets just Australia retailers have discovered instead of scalpers making money on the Niche, they'll make the money instead.

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

Haha sounds about right 😅

@someguy9520 9 ай бұрын

I feel like Niche doesn't wanna scale up cause they fear that this whole hype will die down in a few years and they won't loose that mich if they have a smaller facility

@garnettbrown 2 жыл бұрын

The Baratza encore was never focused for espresso. All other brewing methods except for espresso. It shouldn't be on this list.

@zm6658 2 жыл бұрын

Nice work but would have preferred you judge the grinders objectively. Yes, company management and practices plays a role in grinder acquisition, but almost never or lets say rarely beyond that. I hate that I am a fanboy, but the niche is hands down the greatest grinding solution I can think of. The DF is excellent, but here in the states used Niches can be found for the same price as as the requisite mods cost + msrp price of brand new DF. The hype of the Niche is so very much earned.

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

I've used all but two of the grinders on the list (the Ceado and the Weber key). Was just trying to make a fun goofy video, this shouldn't be used to decide what grinder to buy 😉

@Armedcor 2 жыл бұрын

Love my Niche but wouldn't put it in the S tier at all. Good for fairly one dimensional espresso. Ended up getting a Fellow Ode for filter and have a Kopi Deva on route.

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

Kopi Deva is a great grinder! Since I'm only really into espresso in my experience the Niche is really good for the price, though now I think there's a lot more competition at the same range.

@9385dee7 2 жыл бұрын

So many of the same grinders are being reviewed time and time again.

@Foxy_proxy Жыл бұрын

super annoying when people make tier lists but do not show the list for more than a couple seconds here and there.

@homecafecharlie Жыл бұрын

😭

@Foxy_proxy Жыл бұрын

@@homecafecharlie Now I feel bad :P

@TheRevoltecs 2 жыл бұрын

HOW DARE U PUT NICHE ZERO IN THE A TIER! STRAIGHT BLASPHEMY.... IT BELONGS IN THE B TIER

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@jeff9940 Жыл бұрын

Mine lasted 6 month

@fjaviergl99 2 жыл бұрын

its weird that you are rating and comparing grinders that you yourself have not (or barely) used

@greysuit17 2 жыл бұрын

You can rate grinders you haven’t used, kind of a good way to narrow down what you might want.

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

🤪(Only 2 I didn't use were the Ceado and the Weber Key, happy to review them if you'll give me $7,500)

@Nevermindthrbrewmethod 2 жыл бұрын

@@homecafecharlie 🤦🏻‍♂️

@abcabc-bu9wn 2 жыл бұрын

so biased on eureka. people want to know how is the performance, not the confusing selection ...............

@homecafecharlie 2 жыл бұрын

I did say the grinder itself would be a B. I used it with my friend on his Decent DE1Pro and it was pretty quiet and made good (not great) espresso. I just think Eureka needs to differentiate their designs more, and reduce the number of grinders to avoid confusion and buyer's remorse.