Thanks for another great video, very informative. I’m currently working in the same location in Sanremo, will keep an eye out for you.

The FBI leaves no stone unturned and that can sometimes takes a long time......Also the crew may not have Visa's to go to shore....Thanks my friend..... Old F-4 II Shoe🇺🇸

Oh my seriously. First, is the concern for the crew and the confiscation of personal property by US gov agency and how in the bloody sam hill do they have jurisdiction to do that? I do feel for them to be *jailed* in a manner because they are not allowed to leave the ship. However, and where you are out is no less than stunning! Please do share all those outstanding vessels that you are teasing us with. Major eye candy to say the least. 🤗

Our FBI doesn't have a reputation for treating US citizens well so I'm not surprised. Perhaps they want to monitor the crews' calls and messages looking for info they wouldn't give the investigators but might tell friends and family or the company. I hope they can have some semblance of normalcy soon.

If you let the Dali crew offshore, they will all probably abscond or claim asylum...

The employer is not the problem. It’s the FBI which is treating all of them like they’re terrorists. Foreigners are automatically treated as criminals and since they have no rights as citizens, the FBI can keep them in this de facto jail without charge or trial for as long as they wish.

As for the crews' phones, I'd assume either the FBI has lost them, or is deliberately withholding them, just because they can; as noted, the phones can be downloaded/copied in a fairly short time.

Who needs proper paperwork in this country anymore....

NO, the Pilots got OFF, did a piss test first. But my guess, and take this as my Humble opinion. I think the work load on the Baltimore shipping pilots is such, the two Pilots one being a guy going through training. There is a very high NEED for these Pilots on other vessels, especially since the small channel is open. Remember those pictures of CG small work boats putting the channel markers in for temporary channels. I just think the two Pilots are needed badly. The big one is the poor crew members are not US citizens. I read all the time in the magazine ( Professional Mariner) about how hard it is for ships crews on just a normal come to US ports. The Document that these foreign Mariners on a normal day must have in order, to just stretch their legs at a nice port bar. In Boston there is a Hotel type place just for ship crews to stay at when they have time to get off big ships. Very cheap for sailors on these cargo vessels.snd this is a hotel just for Mariners, they feed them, house them, full staff. I do not know if Baltimore has a stay in at land hotel for the Mariners. I really feel for the poor crew to be treated like this by the FBI. Can you imagine just doing your job in engineering on board her, all this blackout happened outbound. And you are just trying to remember the emergency operation. The Navy trains this day in day out. I think on these big cargo ships it is a little different After all it is NOT a war ship. I have seen small Navy ships just going through a narrow channel with full crew Manning the two front Anchors with safety hooks OFF chains and a man standing by a big wheel for anchor brakes. This was with full control of Navy vessels. I'm just saying the military is a little more strict on standby even when no power loss has happened. Look at the amount of tugs on the sides of the Aircraft Carrier just getting underway from Navy piers. I once saw a security small boat go on board a tug just getting in position for assistance to move an aircraft Carries away from Navy dock. The security boat was looking through the Tug, this was all for making sure everything was up and up.

No. They went ashore the morning of the accident.

Whether they are cleared of wrongdoing or not has yet to be determined. Also, the owners of the Dali is responsible for their welfare. So maybe the owners should be asked about this. As long as the crew is on board, the vessel is not in Salvage status, perhaps.

They're absolutely being held hostage

The crow should be able to get some down time and get any medical care if they need to. Also I don’t understand why they can’t get a 2nd phone??

Hopefully a foreign embassy representative _will_ contact them, if one hasn't already (which I'm guessing hasn't happened). It's not an illegal detainment since they're involved with an accident. As for lawyers, it would depend. The owner of the Dali probably has no legal obligation to the crew _unless_ they belong to the company that owns the vessel, which is uncommon. _Generally speaking,_ there is the company that owns the vessel, then a second company that rents the vessel and they hire crew using contracts (6 months, a year, one trip,). The renting company _might_ have an obligation, but with maritime laws being different, the individuals might have to hire their own attorney(s).

@@grondhero Which is why there are usually Maritime Sailors Clubs/Associations sponsored by Union personnel in Canada and the USA to assist the men.

"none of the crew said we should repair the issues before........." That is amazing that you were there with that crew and are able to report what the crew said regarding the issues with the ship and whether they should be repaired or not. What else did the crew say? you can tell us all, seeing that you were there with them! 🤡🤡🤡

I think we covered everything you said in the video. Did you watch the video or are you just responding to the title?

@@eSysmanSuperYachts It just sounded to me like if you were saying the crew of the Dali werre suffering from still being retained on board of the ship, when the reality is different, bst rgs

Right. If they have to go to court and present evidence from the phones, they have to have the actual seized phones in court. Leaving the crewmen incommunicado isn't necessarily a goal of law enforcement, simply a matter of "we grabbed something, we're keeping it until the investigation is completely closed". A humane answer would be to clone the phones and give the crew members the cloned versions (so their photos and contacts are available to them), retaining the originals for evidence. But humanity isn't high on the list of characteristics during criminal investigations.

SYSMAN U ON IT! SEAMAN AND DOGS EXCLUDED! THANK THE Good LORD FOR SEAMAN'S CHURCH INTL. OH YEAH! ITS GOOD OLE YANKEE BS! SO What'd THINK, CHARTER A BUS TO DC, TAKE A SPIN AROUND THE MALL! THEY COULD BE 'PERSONNA NON GRATIA!' IT SUCKS BEING THEM AT THE MOMENT! THEY COULD BE HOSTAGES!? 3:43

Right but a submarine is a boat and a yacht if often referred to as boat.

@@eSysmanSuperYachts Yes a sub is called a boat but for me that's because the only way you would get me and many others on a sub was if the craft I was on was sinking .

They get leave in almost every port they visit.

If they choose or it’s even an option. I’ve sailed as Master for over 20 years. Currently work as a pilot. All I’m saying is being stuck onboard for 2 months is nothing for them. It’s no big deal. If they’re still sitting there in 6 months I’ll raise a brow.

True, but what if some were at the end of their swing and due to get off, that means they’ve been away longer.

​@369free agree with you. Nowadays shore leave is a privalage not a right. Most time crew take shore leave is on their resting period. They are used to doing long contracts. They are being supplied with food and water and due to the serious of this incident they have to follow the instructions from the Port Authority. Many seamen had a horrid time during covid. Mobile phones were taken for a reason. Internet communications will also be monitored by authorities. This is a serious incident and I agreee with the actions taken. Working on pleasure boats and commercial shipping have many differences. Similarly working on naval ship's and commercial ship's also have many differences.

Wow that's a crazy story!

"Nuff Said" !!

those are very, very different vessels than container ships...

@@matteframe Sure the bunks are smaller, quarters are more crowded, bathrooms are not private, no portholes, food is worse, no TV radio phone or internet, the pay sucks and war might breakout at any minute

Thank you for your service! 😃

They just want to see what porn the crew have been watching, so they can watch it and get their rocks off as well!

The crew will have private medical insurance paid for by their employer.

this question is far from stupid friend, always good to ask someone who knows about these things. much love

It’s not interesting at all that the ship left after midnight. Sailing time is dictated by loading/unloading schedule, tides, pilot and tug availability and other traffic.

Very good point there. Illegal aliens allowed in with no visas and get treated better than the crew on the Dali.

@@FLGurl EBT and Section 8 for life. The 'Fundamental Transformation of America."

If you walk in with no job and no plan, everything is fine but these guys with a job and a reason to be here are treated like shit. Typical US government action.

Don't be silly.

lol

Yes, it needs to be investigated, but if the incident had occurred on land nobody would be held for over 50 days without being able to contact their families. It shows the double standards seafarers are subject to even in 2024.

With the possible exception of minor children, everyone on board a plane or vehicle that destroyed a major piece of critical infrastructure for reasons unknown would absolutely be held until an investigation had been done. Unfortunately, this is taking a long time because of the complexity of the circumstances and number of people involved.

Forensic copies are admissible when properly obtained, and they can testify to their training, experience, procedures, and the evidence. The FBI has a lot of those people. But you would want the physical device for defense discovery.

FYI the pilot called off the tugs and the pilot is a local. Also it was standard operating procedure to disengage the tugs at this point. That had nothing to do with the crew.

Maybe watch the video

Then give a copy phone to the crew members and keep the original. That way the chain of evidence wouldn't be compromised.

People seem to forget that this is NOT a security concern but a criminal investigation. The vessel left in an unsafe condition - electrical system was not working correctly BEFORE departing. That same system is believed to be the cause of the collision. With a phone and internet anyone should be able to get at least one contact’s information without their original phone. They have continually been in contact with the union rep and given outside news. You only give the phones back when you rule out the individual’s’ involvement - until then they are possible evidence.

Amen to that

You know that's not true. It's not legal to cross the border without a visa or for asylum. The folks on the ship are free to swim to shore illegally just like folks cross the Rio Grande illegally.

The crew will all likely have seamen’s visas possibly a B1/B2 or C1 or D1 from memory.

New management team? How about one just not bent on the destruction of the country.

Lol, did you miss the part where the Democrats tried to pass bipartisan bill to better close the southern border and Trump made the Republicans reject it? You're all being played like a fiddle.

What hard turn? It drifted slowly following the direction of the currents.

From what I've read, weight of the bridge structure on the ship plus you can see better since it was partly blown off is the four lane highway deck still on the ship. A lot of weight still pushing her bow down.

Tough to not be a citizen with rights… The crew is stuck between all kinds of regulations, company, country and ocean… Who are they going to sue, with what money? It looks like they are stuck doing their jobs until the ship is out of danger…. And doesn’t produce any further danger to navigation… It looks like an extended number of weeks working for the ship… Hope they get paid overtime… It’s a tradition to have signed contracts… that probably cover what happens when the ship stops working as expected… They are fortunate to not have lost any crew… there were two people at the bow trying to set an anchor where the bridge was about to be falling… Anchor was dropped, but couldn’t get set… 😃 What law firm wants to take on this nebulous responsibility? Has anyone seen the contract that was signed?