Hope not, and i really hope that, even though the first statement may bring laughter to the alcoholism-naive person, that people dont take that any further into cruelty. It is a blessing not to have a disease. Thats what alcoholism aka addiction is, a disease.

I fully agree with your last statement: fully INDUCED. So consciously and purposefully a 'man takes a drink. Eventually the drink takes a drink Then eventually the drink can take the 'man. I wouldnt agree with it if it were a notion either.

🤣😂😭😐 , yeah....

"Its yellow"- ex&f

Where's MEK tho? cabt hust nake dimerization of ethylene and make some MEK

That makes no sense, why not call it ethyl acetate then rather then methyl ethyl ketone substitute, maybe there almost identical not sure, sometimes people make things more complicated then they are

​@@robertguenther6710 because these are sold not to chemists, but largely folks like painters. If they've used MEK as a solvent it would mean more to them to know "This is a less toxic substitute for what you've already been using" rather than a chemical name that may not mean nearly as much.

MrItsthething you would end up making some sodium ethoxide, and lots of hydrogen whilst doing so. That reaction is very exothermic, and the increased temperature would also increase the evaporation of the ethanol, making a very flammable mix of ethanol vapor and hydrogen. Hydrogen by itself is flammable too, but i have never had any problems with hydrogen burning, since it dissipates quickly as it rises towards the ceiling. The only times I have had hydrogen burn were when I wanted it to burn, and used a match on a stick to ignite it.

Yeah I got so much acetate my copper still makes toxic green liquor... Nope that ain't no abstinence... I'll try that...

Absinthe? Lol​@@petevenuti7355

Ppp

is it drink able?

What if I said it with a foe French accent?

​@@petevenuti7355 😁

Heard of freeze distillation? That will get you a good start on concentrating your alcohol. But, be aware that it also concentrates methanol. You could remove the heads from a a smaller evaporative distillation after a freeze distillation.

Cheaper

Me too. Every time Doug goes so long between vids, I start thinking something bad must have happened...

And he is gone again. :(

@Edward Elizabeth Hitler thanks

R.I.P chemplayer

Really??

Now Doug is gone again. More than a year since his last video. :(

Yeah, but buying it is not as much fun!

Thats what I was thinking as well, seems like it would save time money and product

Agreed. Freeze distill to get the worst of the water out then distill properly. I get mine from turbo yeast fermentation, freeze, fractionally distill (to be sure to get rid of the methanol) then dry with desiccant. The freezing and ice removal makes a big difference.

Gary Carone I think any drying agent that isn't soluble in the solvent you are drying would do. (Besides sulfuric acid)

No, they form an azeotrope. Methanol-ethanol azeotrope contains some 91% of ethanol and 9% methanol

No they don't. It requires a lot of theoretical plates if you are trying to get a really sharp separation, but you can definitely remove MeOH from the mix. Fairly easily if it's low concentration. I still use a column to minimize ethanol loss, but yeah, it's zeotropic. www.ddbst.com/en/EED/VLE/VLE%20Ethanol%3BMethanol.php

Thor Correia, my god you're stupid.

I start with everclear, and then just dump in dry molecular sieves

Robert Szasz have you ever found impurities in any significant amount worth distilling or no? I’ve only ever used straight grain alcohol with no prep

would like to know that too

because that is not how it works, the methanol will be slightly more concentrated at the start but as it has a boiling point close to ethanol it will trail into the ethanol for quite awhile unless you have A LOT of plates in your still. its a common misconception that the methanol will come out first before the ethanol.

+HomeDistiller vigreux column then?

lol not even close

A bazillion passes on a Vigreux column with strong reflux then?

not necessarily, I've seen E85 in concentrations anywhere from 55% and up. Just because its called E85 doesnt mean it all is.

Interstellarsurfer that is what I do.

The booze taxes make Everclear WAY more expensive than denatured alcohol from a hardware store....

Colin Ries unfortunately no, MEK forms an azeotrope with ethanol that is 60%MEK,40%ethanol. The boiling point of MEK is 79.6, ethanol has a BP of 78.4, and the azeotrope boils at 74.8°. So as you can see separation by boiling points would be impossible without very expensive industrial equipment able to resolve temperature differences of 4 degrees.

Crystallize the MEK out of ethanol by taking it down to -160. Butanone will precipitate from anhydrous ethanol.

He just mentioned 12g

Yup, one could/should observe the vapor temperature and remove the low temperature distilled heads.

your liver has an affinity for ethanol so it will process the ethanol first and then the methanol. ethanol is only an antidote after the consumption of methanol or ethylene glycol.

youngmesa If you consume it in the same moment it should process the ethanol first too. Not sure though

it's a delay tactic/ band-aid to the problem at best, you would have to get and stay considerably drunk so the methanol can be excreted unchanged, so that your body doesn't metabolize the methanol because the ethanol will get metabolized first. However some methanol will continually be metabolized the entire time. And if the only alcohol you have has methanol in it your constantly going to be administering the poison. So in theory it's still a terrible idea.

SuicidalLaughter Okay, thats a nice answer

that happen in the us when the methanol was doubled as a denaturing agent. The guy who pushed this during prohibition was unremorseful for those that died.

@@GMCLabs Yeah, I wouldn't even store it.

Is Ethyl Acetate just as toxic? What would 5% Ethyl Acetate do to you?

The 95% isn't available in all states. I can only get the 75% where I live. Still, it's an expensive source of ethanol compares to just working up the denatured versions.

Even denatured alcohol is expensive. I think the price went up BC all the ethanol being made for fuel. Brewing a sugar wash and distilling that several times is the cheapest way to get ethanol. It's just time consuming.

And pay a heafty tax on that. 😀

First one Friedrich and the second one Liebig.

Llizard CZ Thanks, I wasn't sure about the Friedrich!

You are welcome

Add water to gasoline ethanol mix. The water will pull ethanol out of the gasoline. Water ethanol mix will settle at bottom while sasoline will float. Separate the two. Now you can distill the ethanol to its azatrope concentration. I forget 96% ethanol maybe? Salting out the remainder of the water can get it to virtually 100% ethanol. I'm not sure about other impurities or if methanol is added to gasoline. In theory methanol will distill over first, before ethanol, composing the heads of a distillation, and could be disposed of. The tails of a distillation will progressively be diluted with more water.

Ethyl acetate, look for klean-strip MEK substitute, then hydrolyze for ethanol and ethanoic

@@3therea11 I was wondering what was in there!, I was just about to look up the MDS. I can almost smell hexane too?

@@petevenuti7355 it's a pretty strange smell right? I think it's just 100%, but it's made with ethanol and acetic acid so it can hydrolyze a little and smell like those too, but it should actually be a pretty pleasant smell for a solvent haha! The MSDS says 100% anyway, but it should just smell mostly like canned pears with a touch of ethyl alcohol

@@3therea11 whatever the case, I definitely distilled something smelling like that from engine starter ether...

Where did you find those prices?

I can find 96% alcohol in my country for like $3.2 It only has a little water and nothing else.

what's the brand, if I may ask?

going by the azeotropes, using a fractional column for the first 50mL per litre of denatured EtOH and tossing that should get rid of 70 - 80% of that MEK, and by that point it's pretty much drinkable, theoretically at least. But .25% MEK doesn't seem like it'd be a problem for any solvent uses.

Very expensive to get large quantities of it.

No that’s incorrect. Heet is 99% Methanol.

Not in Michigan. This still might be cheaper if running the hydrolysis and distillation isn't a hassle for you though as the denatured alcohol is not taxed like drinking alcohol.

If one needs high purity ethanol with virtually no methanol one should watch the temps on the vapor and remove the low temp distilled heads.

No. It still has methanol.