Oh shit, that sounds horrible! I’m so sorry for what you have gone and are going through. Did the protective gear fail, or was it partially insufficient? Or did you fall into the obstacle and not because of it?

Glad you found the video helpful! The problem in publishing graphs like that is in determining what anyone considers “safe”. Everyone has their own preferred headroom, and the power requirements vary wildly. Every single EUC now and in the future can be overleaned simply due to physics. You can’t create a system of any kind that wouldn’t be able to fall under any circumstances. So they can’t publish much from that chart beyond the free spin speed, which becomes public knowledge anyway as soon as the first customers get the unit. At the moment the only way to understand where exactly the limits are is to surpass them. Which means overleaning and crashing. I don’t see a way to solve that dilemma, other than to read on other’s experiences and take one’s best guess.

Thank you so much, Supercurio! Let's hope that this helps in educating riders a bit.

Wow, thank you so much, Rogie! ☺️

Sorry to hear about your crash! You’re right, knees are usually the first one to take the blow, especially with potholes. I hope you didn’t get injured badly! The V8F is a low-powered wheel, so it doesn’t have the power to survive bad potholes. Especially at higher speeds or with heavier riders. Take care!

Thank you so much Ullle for the kind words!

Thank you so much, Martin! I have also learned that riders generally don’t have a very good understanding about where the limits are, what happens if the limits are crossed, and what the risks are. I think that more information should prevent at least a few riders from overleaning.

Thanks, glad you liked it!

Thanks! Yeah, I have never overleaned at speed, but I can imagine it can mess you up bad. At least the V13 has many times the power and decent safety mechanisms, unlike the MSX 84V.

Glad it was of use!

I appreciate you preparing properly! Glad that the video helped. 😊👍

Thank you! 😊

I know… The voices he made after the crash in the original video were heartbreaking. The pain he must’ve been in must’ve been horrible. For a long time as well I’m sure.

Thanks! Yeah, knowing the limits of one’s wheel is crucial for staying safe. The V12 can still be overleaned much below 68km/h if you accelerate with too much intent. Just like any other wheel. And a non-suspended 16” tire is not very good for those speeds either. Stay safe!

Thanks, JJ!

Hehe, thanks!

Thanks a lot!

Thank you! Fellow vaper I assume? 👍

@@mrelwood_EUC fellow Vaper absolutely!! Run a vape shop!! That’s how I afford my 5 EUCs LOL

@@mrelwood_EUC btw your videos are the best information wise!! Thanks 🙏

Thanks! A vape shop?? Wow, nice! 😃 Business going well? The legal status is a ditch in Finland… Which country are you in?

Thanks! Yeah, that kind of shit just doesn’t fly and need to be exposed. I’ll always tell things the way they are, to the best of my abilities.

Thanks!

I think that most importantly it’s probably easier to feel when the wheel is at it’s limits when you’re on hard mode. Soft pedals getting slightly softer could be harder to notice than hard pedals getting soft. It’s true that soft pedals require less effort to overlean, but they require less effort to accelerate overall as well. So if you’re used to the mode you’re riding in, it might not make much difference.

Back then the power levels and speed were so small that I think we were all quite well aware about the limits being near. Nowadays the ride modes are so hard, there’s so much pover available, and the large tires and heavy wheels require so much effort to accelerate in the first place. All this pushes the limits so far that people don’t realize there to be any limits, and think that they can do whatever they want at any speed and the wheel should follow without question. And then they crash at a freakin’ 80 km/h! 15-25km/h was absolutely nothing compared.

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Thank you! I’m pretty sure that there isn’t a fixed PWM- or current-based tilt-back. Not sure about over- or undervoltage. I do know that there isn’t a fixed speed-based tilt-back though. And if you set one manually, it doesn’t adapt to the battery getting depleted or other varying conditions. So it’s nearly useless from safety perspective.

There’s only a phone alarm that you can set for the PWM, no tilt-back nor wheel alarms. They are managed by the wheel firmware (if they exist) and they aren’t adjustable. For phone alarms there’s not much choice: If you use Apple, DarknessBot is the only one available. And for Android it’s EUC World. Usually a 70-80% limit is what makes the most sense. But the exact optimal value depends on the wheel model and the usage profile.

@@mrelwood_EUC first of all, thanks for the valuable reply. i am a begode Master user. i can't find the setting in which panel in euc world. thanks.

@@Musto28 I don’t use EUCw so I can’t help you there. But it is called “safety margin” or some like that. So 80% PWM is translated to 20% “safety margin” etc. Note that for the wheels that don’t report the PWM value themselves, the EUCw’s “safety margin” calculation is not very precise. But like I said in the video, instead of relying on phone alarms, I would definitely install the PWM firmware in a Begode. It should be available to install through EUCw.

@@mrelwood_EUC thank you❤️

That would work… Or you can check the PWM utilization in an app after you accelerate to get a baseline on how much reserve you had.

Incorrect. A crash can be caused by a huge variety of events, situations and places. If you think you can control all those elements only by limiting your speed, you’re fooling yourself. Many modern EUCs do have a lot of power reserve at those speeds, but it’s still nowhere near limitless. Ride blindly into a deep pothole with stiff legs at 40km/h and any wheel will dip enough to disturb your balance. Just for an example. Speed is not what taxes the wheel the most. Burden is. A shallow downhill and steady speed takes very little energy even at very high speeds, while a steep incline, harsh acceleration or a bumpy road taxes the energy reserve much much more even at just 20km/h.

@mrelwood_EUC Thanks for the information & thoroughly explaining internal/external factors. I'm currently debating whether I should switch from an e-scooter to EUC. This will help me make a decision.

@BerettaMac11Two9sAndaK, That’s a whole another question though: - Bigger tires of EUCs roll over bumps, pots and curbs with much less effort. - Modern EUCs are usually more stable at speed than scooters with an upright steering shaft. - EUCs are much more convenient to roll next to you in stores etc. - EUCs fit into cars without any effort. - AFAIK EUCs have a better range. - EUCs are simply much more fun to ride! If you’ve never done it, you’ll never understand how magical the mind reading flying carpet feels.

Having an overlean at 40km/h can absolutely happen no problem. You just need to lean enough forward. I’ve had several overleans at 10km/h!

I overleand my 16x at about 40 kmh.. the closer you get to the wheel speed limit, the less power it has in reserve

@@Raph333 Exactly! What happened in your overlean? What were you doing? We’re you hurt?

@@mrelwood_EUC i accelerated to hard for too long, did a front flip and bang my ankle finishing the roll.. Ankle swollen for 2 weeks but not a scratch besides that

@@Raph333 Glad that you didn’t get more damage. An overlean is great in educating how the power delivery curve works at higher speeds…

Thanks, Pepper!