Marshall Celestion VINTAGE vs Celestion G12M GREENBACK speakers

Marshall Celestion VINTAGE vs Celestion G12M GREENBACK speakers | METAL

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Both speakers are made in UK. In a Marshall 1960BX 4x12 cab with Marshall JCM800 2203 from 1984 (The Bad Boy) boosted with BOSS SD-1 and Marshall 1987x Plexi.
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12:00 With a Plexi | compared to JCM800
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@michaelallen981 3 ай бұрын

Can’t believe I slept on this for the past year. What a great video well done amazing playing.

@WholeLottaBulldog Жыл бұрын

Man, I love your channel , it's exactly up my alley

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it! Thanks!

@tylerscott1217 Жыл бұрын

Dude, thank you! This is a great comparison! I've always been curious about the sound of the Marshall Vintage speaker, as it's supposedly much different sounding than the modern V30. Thanks for all the time you put into these videos! Always interesting and informative.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Glad to hear!

@628tmorgan Жыл бұрын

Very good comparison. I enjoy the way you show the tone examples in a hard rock/ metal context.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@johnnyromero3336 Жыл бұрын

Excellent Video Euge!, I recently switch out the stock speakers in my EVH 5150 III 50 watt 2x12 cabinet with a EVH ( G12M ) and Celestion Mesa V-30, Big difference and one of my favorite cabinets now! Very cool video and nice comparison, Thanks!

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Cool!

@Mar33322 Жыл бұрын

Great video. They sound really great blended , sick tones from that rig 🤘

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@kopan14 2 ай бұрын

thanks for your advice long time ago, I've taken the 4x12 1960vintage Marshall cab and could not be more satisfied, it pairs so well with all my amps (EVH5150III, DSL20 and PRS MT15)

@EugeValovirta230V 2 ай бұрын

Cool!

@KUTEY Жыл бұрын

my 2 cents : the greenbacks sounds more rock'n'roll, the vintage sounds more metal. Great comparison and stellar playing !

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Indeed. Thanks!

@cainsmale5988 Жыл бұрын

This is a very interesting comparison.. both speakers are awesome .. they sounded great blended .. probably the vintage for me by itself but it's a tough choice as they are both very useful.. I have two Marshall 4x12 cabs .. one with g12t 75s and the other with the vintage.. I've never actually compared them separately .. lol .. thanks Euge .. great playing by you .. 🤙.. regards from New Zealand

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear thanks!

@EddieZep Жыл бұрын

Exactly the test I've been looking for… as always great 🤟🏼💣🔥

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Great to hear! Thanks!

@jrtme Жыл бұрын

Great Video as always. Those are my two favs. But I have been getting more into g12-65s lately as well.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@sergio1179 Жыл бұрын

Blended is the perfect tone. I know a lot gonna disagree. But that tone has a wide range. You can go from the blues and classic rock to eighties evh al the way to modern metal. I love that thump from the greenbacks when you lower the mids and the scream from the vintage when you raise the mids.

@andrews6505 Жыл бұрын

excellent comparison, thanks for doing this

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear! Thanks!

@IamMusicNerd Жыл бұрын

The vintage 30 and greenback used to be my favorite speakers for years, until I got an alnico cream Celestion, and now I rarely use anything else. Very different than the ceramic creamback ones. I will occasionally mix it with a vintage 30, but I agree with your opinion on the greenback. It always sounds like it has more fizz in it to me, whereas the vintage 30 has a more balanced growl. But the Alnico Cream just has the widest dynamic range and pleasing tone to me.

@Gornflyin Жыл бұрын

what genre of music are you playing? Classic rock, metal ?

@vladzubac5360 Жыл бұрын

Pfffuuuu juicy thick riffs! Very awesome video again! Would love to see a comparison between Marshall G12 Vintage and a Celestion Creamback M65.

@jamiethoms1708 Жыл бұрын

Euge, I guess it depends on what sound you are going for with these two different speakers because they both sound great, although quite a bit different. If I had to pick a cabinet loaded with only one of these, it would be the Vintage for my taste. One thing that caught my ear in the instrumental you wrote was the fantastic bass line - it's a killer!

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Exactly 👌. Thanks man!

@chadmorral1326 Жыл бұрын

Another great comparison by Euge. Love the tone you get from the greenback. I agree that the tone you get from them is not smooth, it's rather aggressive and, imo, the good kind of nasty. Such a good alternative for the v30. I really like tone you got with the Marshall vintage speaker too, I like that way more than I do the normal v30. Again, great stuff dude.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

@PUNISHER-uo2om Жыл бұрын

Learned a lot on this one

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear!

@jimmyhartman573 Жыл бұрын

Both sound great , the Green seem to smooth the rough edges of the notes ( not like a wet blanket thing , but smooths it ) nice

@OfficialSNMvids Жыл бұрын

Love the little lead nod to Dimebag in the intro clip, RIP \m/ In this demo I prefer the Marshall celestion, great video!!! \m/

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@GuvnaOnSpotify Жыл бұрын

Great comparison, you can clearly hear the differences listening on T7V's. Both are quite different but sound fantastic. The V30 clearly is much more mid focussed, and the Greenback is more rounded but still with a clear mid and top end. I was surprised that the GB had a more defined bottom end, the V30 seems to attenuate those frequencies. The V30 cuts better for the solo in the mix. Listening to the V30 by itself, if you are not in a band or recording with it, would get pretty tiring, and even in a band situation you could EQ the mids on a Greenback to make them pop a bit more. That being said, I still like the EVH / Heritage better than the 25w GB personally. The mix you did was awesome - sounds brilliant.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah the EVH is a great speaker also.

@albutcher9152 Жыл бұрын

Thanks man🔥

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

🙏🤟

@12breacher82 13 күн бұрын

Both are awesome in their own flavor. Nolly did a massive comparison of V30s of all kinds. It’s such a unique speaker. I have a pair of Mesa V30s (UK made) with UK GB’s in a Germino cab and it’s my favorite 4x12 right now. I’d love for you to add some UK Mesa V30s and 80/90s UK V30s to this comparison mixture.

@AJC-jo3ds Жыл бұрын

Good to see the Bad Boy back in action!

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Yeah! 😎🤟

@allenlocke1935 Ай бұрын

Amazing ! Thank you:)

@Atmkthndr Жыл бұрын

Great video! Would be cool to see a comparison of 1960 vintage and greenback cabs with the standard 1960 cabinets with G12t-75 speakers

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@richardpryor2981 9 ай бұрын

@@EugeValovirta230VHey Euge! Do you prefer the g12t75s paired with greenbacks over the g12 vintage for your jcm800?

@guitarfreak0194 Жыл бұрын

I love greenbacks for rhythm work and always use v30s for lead... I play a few marshalls been thinking about pulling the trigger on a sv20h

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

🤟

@Polarisfff Жыл бұрын

Own the Slash Signatur Cab with 4x12 Marshall Vintage. All original. With my Jvm410 Head or Amp1 Iridium and Les Paul Axcess it is a dream.

@JackStolz Жыл бұрын

Just recorded a track with Recto/6505 into Mesa v30 and Greenback mixed. It was glorious.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Cool!

@zandig666 Жыл бұрын

I have 2 greenbacks and 2 Vin 30's in my cab its tight and focused and can handle a lot of dirt thrown at it !!!!

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

💪🤟

@mr.mikehunt4286 Жыл бұрын

The greenbavk and bad boy growl, excellent tone !

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

🤟

@teme007 Жыл бұрын

Euge, you would make kick ass producer of your self

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

I am 😎. My main work in the last few years has been mixing but lately I’ve been also recording & producing. Just a few weeks ago I had a Finnish metal band in my studio which I produced & recorded and will start to mix the album soon 🤟.

@stevencancel1727 Жыл бұрын

Wish you would do a comparison between the celestion G12 C and your favorite V30, the G12C is a greenback with a celestion blue cone came factory in the vintage modern series as well as the reissue Hendricks stack the G12C is an astonishing High gain bloom start with a Marshall Lead 20 through a pair of G12C These are low watt paper voice coils but definitely the sweetest high gain bloom!

@MKetzer 28 күн бұрын

Love that ADA preamp!

@gab.lab.martins 11 ай бұрын

I own a stock 1960BV. I'm thinking of modding it by swapping one of the speakers with a T-75, and another with a Greenback. I wanna use the V+T75 side for rhythm, and the V+G side for clean & lead. The speakers that I remove will be going into isocabs. The tough part is I can't really test it before buying the speakers. Best I can do is watch videos like these, then try the Two Notes Wall of Sound simulations. Hopefully I don't throw money away 😂

@KaddysJamKave 20 күн бұрын

Awesome comparison... old video I know but my 2cents though, don't mic the greenback the same way you mic a typical V30. I find it has a completely different sweet spot almost always. In the room it never sounds harsh to me compared to a smooth V30 like it does in this video.

@philgraves4998 Ай бұрын

Man great video, I just don't know I like both of them then liked both blended together!😂

@EugeValovirta230V Ай бұрын

Thanks!

@notsure1135 Жыл бұрын

I have an old 1275T made in UK, I would like greenbacks that are older and V30 as well just to get variation as well.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

👌

@standingvertical3048 Жыл бұрын

Yep! Greenback Hippie! nice playing and video.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

😎🤟

@-DILLIGAF 9 ай бұрын

I'm assuming the EQ remained the same. Almost seems as if the EQ on the amp was favoring the V30s. I bet the GB could have been dialed in separately with different settings for a better tone. Thank you as always.

@sergejkrynycky728 Жыл бұрын

Great video Euge! I might have missed it in the video. But do you think that due to their low wattage the Greenbacks are more suitable for playing at low volumes? I'm thinking of getting a Marshall 1x12 or maybe 2x12 cab and slapping Greenbacks in the cab for my JVM410H that I attenuate with St.Rock at home. Cheers! PS. Nice Dimebag inspired runs!

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Yeah they break up a bit earlier 👌. Thanks!

@PUNISHER-uo2om Жыл бұрын

I like the vintage better but the green and cream backs do have their place as well

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@marcospintor1333 2 ай бұрын

It’s hard to choose one. I personally use Greenbacks but the v30s are really great too

@sixjac 22 күн бұрын

Ciao Euge, love your channel man! I have 2 Greenback 20w G12M Heritage series, was thinking of putting in a 2 x 12 cabinet, or would you recommend maybe put in a 4 x12 in cross config with V30's? They are very different wattages obviously. I have 4 x 12 Randall cabinet with Seventy 80's and Peavey 6505 4 x 12 with shitty sheffield 1200's. Appreciate your advice/expertise.

@germarhoffmeister2752 Жыл бұрын

The celestion is much more brighter than the compressed marshall one. Have you ever try out the G12K 85 watts 16 ohm? For getting a Malcolm Mitchell Young sound I swear by it. Greetings from lower saxony, Germany.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Yep. I haven’t.

@bjrnarestamnes6279 Жыл бұрын

Great speaker videos. Do you think the cab itself has much to say the differance...vs say a mesa oversized cab? I guess you have tried that before :)

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah it does. I’ve recorded several albums with many different cabs and Mesa is really tight whereas Marshalls have a bit more ”woodier” tone which I like a lot too. They’re classics for a reason 😎.

@waynegram8907 Жыл бұрын

Get celestion BLACKbacks from the 70s ac/dc, kiss, evh used them. Also Master effects made a dimebag randall preamp pedal called VULGAR , get one soon

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Direct quote from Celestion: ”There was a period during the early 1970s when occasionally we’d run out of green to make the rear cans for the G12M and G12H speakers. Back then, the significance of the ”green back” wasn’t yet fully realised, so we’d use whatever colour came to hand. At various times we produced the Blackback, the Greyback and sometimes the Creamback. Whatever the colour of the can, physically and tonally the speakers were actually always Greenbacks”.

@ArchangelCrusader-he3gg 6 ай бұрын

The Vintage sounds better for that scoped middle eq sound, particularly for your style. The greenbacks are best for less compression in the distortion. Think ACDC with boosted midrange for that rock growl.

@adamwatson6916 6 ай бұрын

I like the Marhsall vintage quite a bit more here . I love Greenbacks but i prefer the Marshall spec vintage 30. My 2 by 12 jubilee can has those speakers and it sounds killer The Marshall vintage is extremely versatile Does modern and vintage exceptionally well.

@tracylavinia8232 Жыл бұрын

Both sound good, you’ve actually made want to add a bit of greenback into the equation, greenbacks still sound better than creambacks

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

👌🤟

@leonardo.rafael Жыл бұрын

@Euge Valovirta please, are you using a pedal to obtain that saturated valve tone or your amp tolerates that amount of gain and still sounds great ?

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

SD-1 usually

@davidmatthai8473 Жыл бұрын

Hey Euge, great video what is your opinion on the Marshall JCM 900 4100, is it a good replacement for the JCM 800, have you played the amp before, can you say something about the amp? Can you compare the amp with the Silver Jubilee or, as I said, with the JCM 800, I ordered it. Cheers, David

@jacobmauldin230 Жыл бұрын

I have had the combo 900. Sounds really good.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

It’s a Marshall so can’t go wrong with one 😎. Quite different than a good ol’ 800 but does the job just fine. I like the primal roar of 800 more.

@zandig666 Жыл бұрын

Glad the bad boy is back from the scratch list and on the 1st line center ice and ready to ground n pound!!!🤟🤟😝😝🤟🤟

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

😎💪🤟

@MangoMeoww Жыл бұрын

Did you try g12h30 speaker before? I use those and I love them!

@12breacher82 13 күн бұрын

Those are really cool, and sound great in many situations/applications. I love mixing them with V30s, like people do the Greenback/V30 cabs. But they are very different voiced speakers.

@Lugosidani 8 ай бұрын

Hi! Nice comparison! Is the Vintage speaker from after 2020?

@EugeValovirta230V 8 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yes.

@bretfuzz925 3 ай бұрын

Wow. They have quite a different sound. Is there enough room in the tone controls of a 2203/2204 to get them to sound almost the same?

@EugeValovirta230V 3 ай бұрын

Yeah and that’s the beauty of different speakers. I don’t think any amp has. Speakers part of the overall sound (if we take out the player) is around 70-80% and I see people changing amps and spending lots of money whereas the solution is usually just a different speaker. And the miking affects the sound a lot too; the sound is drastically different if you use for example dynamic SM57 or a ribbon mic. But in general speaker & cabinet affects the tone much more than an amplifier.

@evhforum5150 Жыл бұрын

G12 seems more wide open, how does it sound with 1987x?

@p4leros735 Жыл бұрын

Goddamn I love me some greebacks. I got a Friendman Cab with Greebacks a couple years ago and I havent looked back. The greeback with the plexi sounded sick. These two blended sound great, but the Greebacks are king shit - like a bulldozer ;-)

@standingvertical3048 Жыл бұрын

Taking Gods name in Vain is not good at all.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

🤟

@madddog692000 Жыл бұрын

Greenback for me. Great video as always. Have a great week 🤘 🤘

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Thanks man and likewise!

@sologitara Жыл бұрын

Can you explain ohms is it better 2 speakers 8ohms or 2x16 ohms is the sound depends the speaker or the amp

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Amps have usually ohm switch in the back. 16 ohm speakers sound a bit different than 8 ohms but not much. The important thing is that all speakers must have the same ohm in the cab. If you use a 16 ohm cab you set the ohm switch on the amp to 16 etc.

@NikkiSexx666 Жыл бұрын

Horns up for the Dime solo

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

🤟

@adamwatson6916 6 ай бұрын

The 20 watt heritage Greenback is a much smoother sounding speaker than the standard issue 25 watt Greenback . The 20 watter has more lower mids and less upper mids with a smoother top end compared to the 25 watt greeny . The vintage Greenback was a smoother and warmer speaker with woody low mids . The Herrtage Greeny is based on the origianl design the mid 60s. The modern Greenback G12M25 is voiced differently from a vintage Greenback. Its voiced to be a bit more aggressive and modern with more bite and cut .

@tobywestfall2970 10 ай бұрын

It's hard to tell with all that heavy distortion

@thez0rk 7 ай бұрын

Not sure if this is mentioned elsewhere, but what microphones are you using?

@EugeValovirta230V 7 ай бұрын

1:11 SM57

@thez0rk 7 ай бұрын

@@EugeValovirta230VThanks!

@theavgblueberry4489 8 ай бұрын

sounded like you were playing an exodus solo for a second there lol

@EugeValovirta230V 8 ай бұрын

😎

@rikosimmo 4 ай бұрын

5:47 5:55

@picksalot1 Жыл бұрын

Both speakers sounded great, and very different. I generally like the sound of Greenbacks, but compared to the Vintage, they sounded a bit muffled and indistinct. If I had to choose between the two, I'd probably pick the Vintage on Friday, and the Greenback on Saturday. You're right to choose both, and they combined beautifully with each other with the Bad Boy. Thanks

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Likewise 😎. Thanks!

@80s_kid Жыл бұрын

With clever eq using I prefer almost always the greenback character over the V30.

@sepultubob Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot. Would you say that the Greenback would be a better fit in a 1x12 cab ? Maybe it would bring more bottom end and "fullness" than the V30 on its own ?

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

Greenback’s power handling is only 25 watts so I wouldn’t necessarily use it in 1x12 but something more powerfull just in case 😎. The Vintage is rated for 70 watts.

@Ron4president09 Жыл бұрын

Greenbacks sounds best in 4x12 imo

@verruckterwissenschaftler Жыл бұрын

BX❤

@lexingtRick Жыл бұрын

greenback is good for solo. Marshall Vintage is awesome for background

@giorgosk2884 Жыл бұрын

I like them both but i think the GB is a hair better and has the classic midrange tone that is known for. V30s are better for modern high gain while GBs are more versatile to me Sick playing ftw

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

👌🤟🙏

@fastteddyb 10 ай бұрын

Def oldies - wider softer sound - the new ones are more clinical / tight / thin. Vintage is 1 dimensional.

@tobywestfall2970 10 ай бұрын

Play it without all the noise

@Drew_Vernon Жыл бұрын

The greenback has a kind of hollow sound to it. I'm not really into it. The V30 is lurrrrvleyyyy.

@mbgmail5911 Жыл бұрын

I like the V30 here better but I think your Greenback sounds different and worse than almost any I've heard. Almost broken, I never got a tone like that from a Greenback.

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

😎🤟

@bradkillingsworth4137 Жыл бұрын

Greenback for the win🤘🏻🤘🏻

@rocker8692 11 ай бұрын

What about when your 50,are you going to regret all those tattoos?Vintage 30 sounded less trebley,more fuller.

@EugeValovirta230V 11 ай бұрын

Nope. I took my first one 29 years ago and never regretted anything.

@nomansland6376 4 ай бұрын

Greenbacks are just better.

@marshall8013 Жыл бұрын

🖐Hello Euge Greenback is Rock&Roll my favorite ... V30 I do not like

@EugeValovirta230V Жыл бұрын

😎🤟

@carlhungus2521 Ай бұрын

I am never saying vintage again ...now I will only say wintage....if anybody has a problem with that they can shake the sand out of their wagina!

@EugeValovirta230V Ай бұрын

That’s the Way! 😎

@zbaby82 Жыл бұрын

The Vintage is beefier sounding.

@tobywestfall2970 10 ай бұрын

Play it clean

@tobywestfall2970 10 ай бұрын

The greenback has less volume and less presence

@adamwatson6916 6 ай бұрын

All Creambacks are made in England . Their production never shifted to China . Their production is and always has been in the UK. There are no Chinese made Creambacks . I see people getting ripped off all the time paying a premium for used Creambacks because they think they are made in China and were only made in the U.K for a short time before prodcution shifted to China or that Uk made creambacks are only produced at special request for Amp builders . I have seen guys selling Creambacks on Reverb for more money than they cost brand new anf justify it by saying this is a rare made in England Creamback and claiming they were only made in the UK for the first year or so then production shifted to China . Some people dont understand that not every model sifted Production to China . Some people thought the whole company moved there and there was no more UK made celestions . Some people were just ripping people off preying on newbies and the less informed .. Guys were charging several hundred dollars for a used Creamback . One guy had his listed at 300 dollars U.S and acted like it was a steal because other sellers were charging more .