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Has the West Underestimated China's J-15 Carrier Fighter?

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Eurasia Naval Insight

Eurasia Naval Insight

Күн бұрын

The J-15 Flying Shark has been widely ridiculed by the military establishments in the West, especially in the United States. Western experts claim major deficiencies in the its reliability and the limited weapons it can fly with when operating from Chinese STOBAR carriers, or so they believe. But, has the United States and its allies actually underestimated the J-15?
CHAPTERS
00:00 - Intro
01:08 - Basic Characteristics + Equipment
04:46 - Western Criticisms of J-15
07:20 - Taiwan-based Sources
10:04 - Actual Limitations of STOBAR Take-off
Keywords: Shenyang, Shenyang aircraft corporation, ski-jump, Liaoning, Shandong, aircraft carrier, Chinese Navy, PLA Navy, PLAN, PLA, PLAAF, Chinese air force, PLA Air Force, naval aviation, aircraft catapult, Type 001, Type 002
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@zetareticulan321
@zetareticulan321 2 жыл бұрын
The "Flanker" has got to be the most beautiful jet ever built.
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@simonyip5978
@simonyip5978 Жыл бұрын
It's surprising just how big they are compared to aircraft like F-16/Typhoon/Mirage 2000/etc.
@Joshua_N-A
@Joshua_N-A Жыл бұрын
@@simonyip5978 72 ft long, nose to tail if I'm not mistaken.
@keneilrichards4342
@keneilrichards4342 Жыл бұрын
The most beautiful aircraft ever built is the f23 black widow stealth fighter.
@WildsDreams45
@WildsDreams45 Жыл бұрын
I'm a fan of the F-22 raptor That's a beautiful plane
@matthewfusaro2590
@matthewfusaro2590 Жыл бұрын
Western critics are forgetting one thing: China's manufacturing capacity. Both the T-34s and the Sherman tanks were considered "inferior" to German tanks, but they were built in large numbers. Numbers that the Germans couldn't hope to match. Western critics are making the same mistake.
@supriadiramlan5545
@supriadiramlan5545 6 ай бұрын
yepz, west can BS what ever they want but always buying over priced weapon system lol how long world will buy US debt ($34 T) western critics only write what ever they paid for (propaganda)
@user-gu8qi4me8x
@user-gu8qi4me8x 5 ай бұрын
I actually genuinely agree with you ❤😂🎉.
@Food-Dharma
@Food-Dharma 5 ай бұрын
You speak facts.
@user-gu8qi4me8x
@user-gu8qi4me8x 5 ай бұрын
@@Food-Dharma i actually genuinely agree with you.
@ObjectiveMedia
@ObjectiveMedia 5 ай бұрын
He said Sherman tanks 😂 as if britian did anything
@patrickm.4754
@patrickm.4754 2 жыл бұрын
Meanwhile, another F35 just crashed.
@virtutemodestia3477
@virtutemodestia3477 2 жыл бұрын
Lol made in U.S.A. is crap then using their logic
@user-gu8qi4me8x
@user-gu8qi4me8x 5 ай бұрын
I actually genuinely agree ❤😂🎉.
@Jonasbarbury
@Jonasbarbury 5 ай бұрын
How many Chinese planes have taken a dirt nap?? As many f 35 's as there are in the air , in a dozen different countries I'm not surprised there are some accidents. BTW how many mishaps have been attributed to pilot error
@yoongzy
@yoongzy 2 жыл бұрын
Misjudging is an advantage for China when the West is over-confident.
@user-gu8qi4me8x
@user-gu8qi4me8x 5 ай бұрын
I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once.
@therealdeal2163
@therealdeal2163 2 жыл бұрын
Remember how the USA underestimated the Japanese Zeke (zero) fighter ? They claimed it was under armed and poorly armoured and its pilots where poor and had short sightedness and where poorly trained until Zeke's started shooting down Americans planes especially Brewster Buffalos and Dauntlesses by the ton load until they developed the Corsair and the Mustang did they have a chance ... underestimating their enemy has always been a American problem that's why they where defeated by both the Vietnamese and the Taliban .
@alicedog368
@alicedog368 2 жыл бұрын
@@jonathangarner1516 lmao look at u getting all defensive, just admit u lost
@TheLAGopher
@TheLAGopher 2 жыл бұрын
In the case of the Japanese "Zeke/Zero" fighter, the US underestimated the Japanese because they were an Asian power. and the combat experience ofthe Japanese in China wouldn't really matter in a fight with Americans even if flying less advanced machines. The Zero was underarmored and its guns had a hard time taking down armored US fighters such as the Wildcat the P-38 and even the P-40. Once American pilots used the superior armor and diving ability of US planes with tactics designed to minimize dog fighting, the US racked up overwhelming superior kill ratios over Japan. America didn't need to wait for the Mustang and Corsair to gain control of the skies. The P-38 Lighting was the most dangerous USAAF fighter of the war in the Pacific and the top Navy plane was the Hellcat. America didn't underestimate the Taliban or North Vietnamese. Those insurgencies took advantage of running supply lines through neutral countries that were immune from American attack. They were willing to suffer 100 to 1 KIA ratios on the battlefield because in the end the Taliban and Vietnamese lived there and the Americans would sooner or later have to go home. Thats pretty much the same tactics the American colonies used to defeat the Super Power of their day,the British Empire.
@rael5469
@rael5469 Жыл бұрын
@@alicedog368 "lmao look at u getting all defensive, just admit u lost" How can you say "lost" when we haven't engaged in a nuclear exchange with Vietnam or the Taliban? A nation that has nuclear weapons didn't "lose" anything. We choose when and where we fight. At a time and place of our choosing....on our terms. Afghanistan is a rubble pile. What would be the point of staying and killing more of them? To turn the rubble into a finer grain of sand? Unlike the Taliban the U.S. has no need to waste time and treasure killing wanna-be wife beaters and perverts. They are all so whacked out on drugs the only way to totally defeat them would be to kill them all. No need for that.....yet.
@davidmoss2576
@davidmoss2576 Жыл бұрын
@@jonathangarner1516 Proxy means not directly involved, like in Ukraine. Vietnam and Afghanistan are not proxies. We lost, post less bro.
@bongdiego8837
@bongdiego8837 Жыл бұрын
Yes they understimate Japan. That's why they did modernize Philippines defence.
@liaojohnweechun7454
@liaojohnweechun7454 Жыл бұрын
It's okay when the western military underestimate the Chinese military. What counts is when they confront us and be surprised by fhe Real capabilities of the Chinese PLA. The element of Surprise is a great advantage in a battle and any good military general will agree to this. And only the PLA knows what it has. JIAYOU CHUNG GUO 🇨🇳 👍
@320jasont
@320jasont Жыл бұрын
The PLA has absolutely zero institutional knowledge for how to fight the west. I'm not even convinced they could actually make a landing on Taiwan much less create a true expeditionary force. By the way they know this themselves. The vast majority of the Chinese stuff is either Russian or slightly upgraded Russian with stolen western tech. We've all seen how Russia's air force has fared in Ukraine.
@muzixman2011
@muzixman2011 Жыл бұрын
today’s reconnaissance and intelligence can reveal many secrets, J15 is a copy of Su33, and the engines also derived from the Flanker’s
@user-gu8qi4me8x
@user-gu8qi4me8x 5 ай бұрын
I actually genuinely agree with you and finally some one who l found in the comment section that actually has a functioning brain for once and 🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳.
@SLO722
@SLO722 2 жыл бұрын
The Liaoning is for training purposes only and will only be used for combat when absolutely needed, and by that time, it will be a launching pad for the next generation Chinese combat drones.
@hwong1776
@hwong1776 2 жыл бұрын
We going to sell it back to the Russians for profit. Massive brain plays out here
@gelinrefira
@gelinrefira 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. It has always been known that the first carrier is always going to be a training carrier. The PLAN needs experience and needs it badly, having a carrier for that purpose is vital. Anyone who keep trying to compare Liaoning to carriers like the Nimitz or even the QE and then conclude that it sucks, is deliberately being disingenuous. It is obviously a propaganda piece to assuage western fears of a rising China.
@thetreekeeper143
@thetreekeeper143 2 жыл бұрын
You sound very knowledgeable. I'm liking the fact that you do a lot of research. I will like and subscribe!
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@davidmoss2576
@davidmoss2576 2 жыл бұрын
J-15 operating from the Liaoning currently is not maxed out. Once operating from the type 003 she will be a beast.
@alexrahardjazh
@alexrahardjazh 11 ай бұрын
Or operating from islands
@peterlongland6862
@peterlongland6862 7 ай бұрын
I doubt that would even make a difference! China is yet to find out that operating the type 003 carrier wont be easy. For starters, she hasn't got enough power!
@davidmoss2576
@davidmoss2576 7 ай бұрын
@@peterlongland6862 you know this how?
@peterlongland6862
@peterlongland6862 7 ай бұрын
its common knowledge, go do some research@@davidmoss2576
@luobingsong5297
@luobingsong5297 2 жыл бұрын
Im from Liaoning province. It can be a special honor to name the very first top class ship of the nation after Liaoning province, Im sure this ship will be a naval museum after retired from navy.
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for viewing
@yoongzy
@yoongzy 5 ай бұрын
中国海警肯定会想办法要辽宁号和055,绝不会这样浪费掉。
@raymondtay3532
@raymondtay3532 2 жыл бұрын
Well done China. Built by China. 💪💪👍👍👏👏❤❤💯💯
@KunnyRabbit
@KunnyRabbit 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with these carriers and jets are that most people misunderstand their purpose. They are for carrier operations training purposes. And to be honest is a brilliant idea. Why build and use a expensive carrier and jets for training only?
@weifan9533
@weifan9533 2 жыл бұрын
Yes they're mostly used for training and defensive purposes, not like the american ones which are used mostly for offensive purposes.
@MMA-gb6to
@MMA-gb6to 2 жыл бұрын
well, carriers are only for wars with weaker countries who has no anti ship weapons. i bet US won't deploy its carriers to south China sea (< 2000km) if they want to fight with China. it's also true for China, if China want to take back TW or fight Japan, they won't send their carriers to the warzone neither - they would just use ballistic missiles to kill most of the ants first then send carriers to assist their ground troops. that's how to use a carrier, and it's more than training.
@kkhalifah1019
@kkhalifah1019 2 жыл бұрын
To build a carrier force as a deterrent, China has to start somewhere and they need to catch up. The Liaoning i& the J-15 are precisely that, a starting point for them to learn how to build & operate a carrier all on their own. And the pace they're progressing in this area is startlingly rapid...!! They went from zero carrier, zero naval jet & zero experience to where they are now in just 20 years. In the next 5 years, they'll have a bigger carrier operational with EMALS, carrier-borne stealth jets & AEW aircraft.... all building on the training & learning they get from turning an abandoned Russian vessel into a modern training tool that is the Liaoning, plus designing & building the J-15 to go with it. As a starting point, having managed all that is actually pretty damn impressive.
@GetTheFuckOutofH3re1
@GetTheFuckOutofH3re1 2 жыл бұрын
@@MMA-gb6to and China has experience in this scenario?
@xinyiquan666
@xinyiquan666 2 жыл бұрын
@@GetTheFuckOutofH3re1 no one has real mordern sea war experience today, does US have experience? fighting a war with small nation with no even navy or air force in afgandistan or iraq or syria is not real experience
@weifan9533
@weifan9533 2 жыл бұрын
Apart from J-15, Liaoning and Shandong carriers also carry the Z-18F, which is a 13-ton large helicopter developed based on the French Super Frelon. It has a 1,000 km range and can carry torpedoes and anti-ship missiles as well. That helicopter needs some introduction too. And the 003 carrier is about to be completed, installed with a domestic electro-magnetic catapult. A new version of J-15 (reported by some media as J-15T) capable of being catapult-launched has already been developed and tested. So even if those accusations were true, they will soon become history.
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
With regards to new versions of the J15, it remains to be seen how many airframes will be produced, and whether they will be available for the Liaoning and Shandong. The new variant have better missiles and Aesa radar, as well as CATOBAR capability. PLAN is unlikely to upgrade the existing J15s, because they have been used very intensely for training purposes. So, whether the upgrade will correct the existing issues regarding the combat capability of the Liaoning and Shandong air wings is uncertain. But I of course agree that these problems won't be there on the Type 003 carrier.
@johnbodman4504
@johnbodman4504 2 жыл бұрын
This was a good thoughtful video without the usual American propaganda.
@user-gu8qi4me8x
@user-gu8qi4me8x 5 ай бұрын
I actually genuinely agree with you
@jonng77
@jonng77 11 ай бұрын
This was a very informative and good video. As the content creator said, it is never good or wise to underestimate your competitor. Till this day many western military analyst have continued to belittle and disparage the J-15. However, if I were the content creator, I would have let them continue with their views. Let them build up a false impression of their superiority. If they feel good about it, let them enjoy their fantasy. Why do you want to burst their bubble? Let them get a shock when they least expect it. Wouldn't you want to look at their SHOCKED EXPRESSIONS when it happens?
@sampanvikingonchina2613
@sampanvikingonchina2613 2 жыл бұрын
A new aircraft being used withing a new branch of a service.... You have to enter the game somewhere and start building up the experience and proficiency. this is exactly what China has done and is now undergoing rapid evolution in both Carriers and Aircraft as Chinese Naval Aviation gets itself established. IT s the same thing we have seen in other areas of the military where China has jumped in and played very rapid catchup..
@zixinxia194
@zixinxia194 2 жыл бұрын
But J-15 is just purely bad with only 62 planes produced, and production have been stopped. Though still waiting for the rumor J-15T
@deanpatterson9036
@deanpatterson9036 2 жыл бұрын
Rapid catch-up means accidents and death. That's the cost of the carrier game. Look at history, any country. The J-15 is a fine aircraft, but keep missing the point. Any fuel onboard? That question was skirted around.
@csliewig
@csliewig 3 ай бұрын
​@@zixinxia1949
@kongtran7083
@kongtran7083 2 жыл бұрын
Actually this aircraft is better than US F-18 in term of aerodynamic.
@regizeelement8511
@regizeelement8511 2 жыл бұрын
@@f-35lightningii6 go away… 2 of your family just died.. the F35 B & F35 C… well better get ready as there will be more….lol
@thomaszhang3101
@thomaszhang3101 2 жыл бұрын
@@f-35lightningii6 Flanker aerodynamics are undisputedly very good. How good comeparef to the Super Hornet? Idk, but it had always been known to be one of the best.
@brettdemauna9332
@brettdemauna9332 2 жыл бұрын
@@regizeelement8511 I'm sure you'd appreciate J15 is Junk15, F18 is Formidable18.
@zix_zix_zix
@zix_zix_zix 2 жыл бұрын
Compared to the US F/A-18s (both the Hornet and newer Super Hornet), the J-15 is a heavier aircraft able to carry more weapons and fuel, and it can fly higher and faster. J-15s are also aerodynamically superior to the F/A-18s. However, the Block II Super Hornet has a better radar than the non-updated J-15 currently in service, which is a crucial advantage. The new updated version of the J-15 is going to have a new AESA radar, improved engine, CATOBAR ability and other enhancements. This new version will most likely be superior to the F/A-18s in many critical aspects.
@iammeandmyself2083
@iammeandmyself2083 5 ай бұрын
My goto channel for latest Chinese military info. Keep up the good work
@nostradamus2642
@nostradamus2642 2 жыл бұрын
The ridicule about the J-15 has no leg to stand on because the new one essentially will be like a J-11D (which could whip the F-15J and anything in the ROCAF). The shortcoming was never in the plane but in the payload and fuel limitation associated with the Ski Jump takeoff. That won't be a problem once type 003 is commissioned and Shandong and Liaoning are retrofitted with carapults.
@regizeelement8511
@regizeelement8511 2 жыл бұрын
@baileyboy73 baileyboy73 no you are so wrong to say he’s wrong lol
@thomaszhang3101
@thomaszhang3101 2 жыл бұрын
Even with the ramp take off from the Shandong and Liaoning, J-15 can still carry normal air superiority load and max fuel.
@nostradamus2642
@nostradamus2642 2 жыл бұрын
@@thomaszhang3101 Full load for strike mission means full fuel, 2 PL-15, 2 PL-10 and 2 YJ-83. Not possible with ski jump. That's why they developed J-15 buddy refuelling so a fully armed J-15 with minimal fuel and top up after airborne.
@thomaszhang3101
@thomaszhang3101 2 жыл бұрын
@baileyboy73 baileyboy73 ok Mr. Obvious, hehe. On a serious note, it is vital for any big country to produce their own weapons no matter the quality. Self sufficiency is key to survival. And as it stands currently, Chinese planes are superior to Russian ones in avionics, sensors, material, manufacture technique, weapons, falling behind only in engine (which is mitigated with latest adoption of ws-10 variants). Russia had a strong foundation in fighter design, but it is too poor to invest in newer technology to keep it up to date. China does have money and did invest hugely in such technology.
@jenny2329
@jenny2329 2 жыл бұрын
What a stupid person, China is ahead of Russia in all aspects except for aero engines. China is much richer than Russia, and China has sufficient resources to invest in the military, which is why China is ahead of Russia except for aero engines. Engines require long-term technical accumulation, even if China has sufficient funds. I don't know which backward third world country you are from. It's easy for you idiots to discredit China: you can use America to disparage China. But when you compare it to Russia, hahaha, you're a stupid dog with a great sense of humor
@jinz948
@jinz948 2 жыл бұрын
Well worth subscribing to, great content and delivery.
@user-gu8qi4me8x
@user-gu8qi4me8x 5 ай бұрын
I actually genuinely agree with you
@thefourthquarter7429
@thefourthquarter7429 Жыл бұрын
It seems like the West / US is somewhat underestimating the J15. This is obvious regarding the takeoff weighr, range and reliability. Losing two airframes in 10 years in a navy without previous history operating carriers actually seems pretty great. That said, the fact that it lacks an AESA radar and doesnt carry the PL15 is limiting. It is likely the latest version(s] will address these issues.
@camt8804
@camt8804 8 ай бұрын
How good is the Chinese AESA radar?
@michaelwan4268
@michaelwan4268 7 ай бұрын
I think they have pretty accurate information and assessment internally, and I bet they prepared very seriousely, but on media, they have to make pepole believe "west" is still the most powerful. Simple as that.
@camt8804
@camt8804 7 ай бұрын
@@michaelwan4268 I'd say the opposite. The US has financial motivation to say China is stronger than it is .... just like the Soviet Union.
@michaelwan4268
@michaelwan4268 7 ай бұрын
They only say this to congress, but not media.....@@camt8804
@XkMeng
@XkMeng 6 ай бұрын
@camt8804 Think about China’s capabilities in electronic equipment manufacturing, think about Shenzhen and Huawei, not to mention China’s monopoly on production of Gallium and Germanium
@chandrachurniyogi8394
@chandrachurniyogi8394 Жыл бұрын
it is said that, if you cannot appreciate & learn from your enemy's achievements means you'll never be able to defeat them in war . . . your enemy is your biggest teacher, respect that & you will prevail . . .
@khalidmohamed5946
@khalidmohamed5946 2 жыл бұрын
J15 is a good aircraft. The only problem is that they operate from ski jump carrier. So their full potential has not been realised.
@ryanhuang3875
@ryanhuang3875 2 жыл бұрын
I think j15 will fly more air defence missions for the fleet than going on the offensive by stretching to its operations range limit. the offensive part will be carried out by land based anti ship ballistic missiles. the whole system is built around a2/ad
@ccTheMilfHunter
@ccTheMilfHunter 7 ай бұрын
Carrier fujian and F15t ✌️✌️
@enzhus
@enzhus 2 жыл бұрын
The most important issue is who said the j-15 is designed for Liaoning? 003 is coming soon in case you don't know yet.
@gohseng1733
@gohseng1733 2 жыл бұрын
Westerners look down on China. To westerners, Warmonger USA has the best fighter plane esp. F22 and F35. No Chinese fighter plane can match their. Too boastful b4 engage with any China fighters planes.
@lanzortiz3199
@lanzortiz3199 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't an f-35 crashed into south china sea recently during training exercise?
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
Thats correct, sir
@catrojana3694
@catrojana3694 Жыл бұрын
Hahaha 🤣 that was a diving exercise.
@Bawdale
@Bawdale 5 ай бұрын
This is two years ago, the new carriers have electromagnetic catapults
@OPEN-qg2ui
@OPEN-qg2ui 2 жыл бұрын
The amount of human resources in china says it all. And what if half of those scientists and engineers around the western world comes back to china. It's staggering and suicidal not to take china tech achievement seriously.
@ibrahimn22
@ibrahimn22 2 жыл бұрын
West has made the classic mistake of underestimating the enemy. This is unforgivable and never go's unpublished.
@TheLAGopher
@TheLAGopher 2 жыл бұрын
What western fans on KZfaq say and what the actual US Military does are two different things. Its the Chinese and their nationalist supporters who are underestimating the west,not the reverse. Listening to China you would think they could defeat the combined armed forces of the US Japan, Australia, UK,France and Taiwan at the push of a button and with no devestating response from the west.
@ibrahimn22
@ibrahimn22 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheLAGopher I don't think anyone in non western countries under estimate the war mentality or utter devastation the west can bring to bare on there chosen enemies. People of Japan have first hand experience as do Iran Iraq and Libya. That's why they all wish to have good relations with the west given the choice. Problem is with the west they look down on other nations want to keep them down and exploit there resources . Truth is alot of countries have built up enough power and influence in there region to resist and inflict huge damage to your list of countries collective west . I don't think the Americans can get away with a major war with these powers and come of with no damage like they did with WW2 .This time everyone gets a bloody nose .So only a idiot would start a fight problem is all western politicians are idiots.
@fareschallah6773
@fareschallah6773 2 жыл бұрын
Without the new carrier implementing a CATOBAR system then the J-15 is under utilised as it is unable to use its full payload capacity or fuel capacity in order to get off the current Soviet style carriers - it does make sense and I agree with that assessment when u look at the lack of AEWACS aircraft on current carriers (KJ-600) is being developed for the new carrier However any 4th generation fighter such as the J-15, especially knowing China’s great aviation industry, will be more that prepared for whatever role command requires and they will definitely have a life time upgrade to make sure they keep up with any adversaries so it doesn’t matter what the west thinks as each fighter will have its role and will be able to maximise its ability specified for that role
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude. I think the aircraft catapult is indeed key, and these are widely expected to be installed on the Type 003. Some people are advocating for catapults to be installed on the current ski jump carriers, but i am skeptical whether this will happen. On the upgrades to the J15, I agree that they will be improved, but the existing airframes likely wouldn't be, because they have been used very intensely for training purposes, and will probably have to be retired soon. But you are correct in the sense that the new J15s that is being produced will be upgraded with CATOBAR compatibility and AESA radars. We actually got some concrete info on this version of the J15 very recently. I hope to do a short video on it early next week. Watch this space!
@peterlongland6862
@peterlongland6862 7 ай бұрын
Excuse me, China's great history in aviation? When did that happen?? China was late to the game, hasn't developed a single aircraft (the designs have all been stolen) and your safety record isn't that hot either! So do tell me, when did China become great in Aviation?
@horridohobbies
@horridohobbies Жыл бұрын
The US lost a F-35 in the South China Sea when it fell off the carrier. LOL.
@Ace-Av8er
@Ace-Av8er 2 жыл бұрын
Compare Lioning to the first US and British carriers. Not to the western super carriers. China has its own super carriers coming soon. In the mean time Lioning is being used for training. It's a smart move.
@howiescott5865
@howiescott5865 Жыл бұрын
At this day and age we would expect any nation to build a better first carrier than our first. Our first was a century ago. What about submarines? Was yours's much more advanced than the USS Turtle?
@alexr1150
@alexr1150 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video.
@yiquny
@yiquny 2 жыл бұрын
J-15 had very few accidents. Of course it is not perfect.
@jasonm106
@jasonm106 6 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t mock/underestimate China… Look at what they’ve accomplished in the last 20 years Look at production capacity etc
@calvinblue894
@calvinblue894 2 жыл бұрын
In otherward..Taiwan messed up US judgements... Hahahaha.. J-15 is a plane under constant development..so..how people can mock down a plane under further development and modifications?!
@TheLAGopher
@TheLAGopher 2 жыл бұрын
The same way people mock the F-35 for its issues even while it is also under further development.
@truthful3777
@truthful3777 2 жыл бұрын
Spot On!. You should study F14 history operating on the aircraft carrier and you would be shocked with the number of crashes and fatalities. PLA J15 is nothing in comparison. Look at F35.....already 3 lost in less than 3 years in South China Sea. One from Japan, the other from UK and the recent one in USA. 3 crashes in less than 5 years....
@alfredawomi2340
@alfredawomi2340 Жыл бұрын
First Thing First! Only recently are China using Aircraft Carriers thus wait for accidents in the near Future to happen and that since its not long China using Carriers yet have reports of 2 aircraft crashes than one can only imagine how many will in the long run.
@truthful3777
@truthful3777 Жыл бұрын
@@alfredawomi2340 It is nearly a decade they operated the J15...it is a safe fighter jet.
@georgedang449
@georgedang449 Жыл бұрын
@@alfredawomi2340 Have you ever looked into historical data when other nations first started aircraft carriers a century ago? Not only were Chinese accidents slightly lower than the west currently, they were far lower compared when the west was new and inexperienced when it comes to carrier operations.
@lukemckay3262
@lukemckay3262 6 ай бұрын
The tomcat ingested its own engine once very publicly on film doing a “fly-pass” Western attempts to paint other countries weaponry should merely be acknowledged as propaganda. Weaponry world wide is evening up at an unprecedented pace due to sensor advances and information sharing. You don’t have to spend 860 billion a year to get good leverage from indigenous systems these days.
@anfio137
@anfio137 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful fighters!
@johnbodman4504
@johnbodman4504 6 ай бұрын
The J-15 is obviously a Chinese flanker and as long as they have good engines, they will do well.
@tadichaguyo290
@tadichaguyo290 5 ай бұрын
It's always good when your enemies underestimate you.
@vinodkumar-xr6jm
@vinodkumar-xr6jm 2 жыл бұрын
ALL are Indigenously built by CHINA. ❤️❤️❤️❤️🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
@rockycheny5437
@rockycheny5437 2 жыл бұрын
excellent video! Thank you for your professional insights.
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@aunggabe
@aunggabe 2 жыл бұрын
I would say Liaoning is the very first aircraft carrier not even made in China fully. Of course enchanted field for China. It serves in many aspects. Take off and landing are new for pilots in real time. It also provides enormous information to engineers, technicians, opening the leaders' to decide what kind of long term to set. So far we have seen China is capable of fully domestic carrier as Shandong. If you understand the way of Chinese people ,they will be in driving seat in less than two decades. They do not need to have 6/7/8 of them. The level, caliber of rocket force is well known for speed and extreme accuracy, yankees carriers will be kept at bay. Time is on their side. Yankees subs will be hitting seamounts again and again regardless of sea wolf or sea dog.
@alicedog368
@alicedog368 2 жыл бұрын
@@markonw6661 india gonna eat our lunch with their shit stained hands huh
@johnbodman4504
@johnbodman4504 Жыл бұрын
I agree, China does not need eleven carriers. You get a lot more for your defense budget by building advanced missiles. China's missiles are almost on a par with Russian missiles and are ahead of those of America.
@philblady5559
@philblady5559 Жыл бұрын
PAPER TIGER! A cheap copy of an obsolete Soviet aircraft. Regardless of whether the Chinese can actually put their Type 003 carrier to sea with a functional catapult, the J-15 will never be able to carry a useful payload or have the range to pose a threat to any maritime power.
@nolingam7742
@nolingam7742 2 жыл бұрын
Big and fast fighters. F-35 will have a hard time matching its speed.
@mrwhatever9025
@mrwhatever9025 2 жыл бұрын
You don't have to outrun an f35 ....you have to outrun its missiles
@toubeeyang4688
@toubeeyang4688 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome China , keeping up and keep doing what you are doing China will be alright now and the future
@NineSeptims
@NineSeptims Жыл бұрын
Hope china changes government.
@garrycoleman8537
@garrycoleman8537 6 ай бұрын
​@@NineSeptimsare you against efficient government that looks after its people and provides for them?
@NineSeptims
@NineSeptims 6 ай бұрын
lmfao dont even@@garrycoleman8537
@anakborneo7993
@anakborneo7993 2 жыл бұрын
U deserve a 1m subs...very objective analysis 👏
@kenric1460
@kenric1460 Жыл бұрын
Another good analysis. Thank you 👍
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@multipolarworldorder
@multipolarworldorder 7 ай бұрын
The latest J15 has AESA Radar I read.
@kwamepalavin8405
@kwamepalavin8405 Жыл бұрын
Wow! Taiwan is winning just like Ukraine is winning? The worst thing to enter combat with is an underestimation of the enemy. Taiwan will learn as Ukraine is learning.
@ethanmac639
@ethanmac639 Жыл бұрын
just wait until the type 003 aircraft carrier, ie; Fujian supercarrier, is in active service with their new stealth carrier jet the J-35.....🇨🇳🇨🇳🇨🇳
@velavanlaack9134
@velavanlaack9134 2 жыл бұрын
The liaoning is only a training carrier
@kkhalifah1019
@kkhalifah1019 2 жыл бұрын
So... four J-15s crashed since 2016 and the western world immediately jeers & calls it the flopping fish. Well, since 2019 three F-35s have already crashed at sea. Out of curiosity, can the F-35 take off with a full load of fuel + full combat load from HMS Queen Elizabeth's ski ramp?
@jasonshen7600
@jasonshen7600 2 жыл бұрын
No, HMS QE uses F35 B VT
@qiyuxuan9437
@qiyuxuan9437 2 жыл бұрын
Only 2 J15 crashed, the others were incidents but not crashed. F-35B has a much smaller fuel tank than A and C varient, so even if it can takeoff at max weight, it will still have a very limited range.
@daddydaddy8209
@daddydaddy8209 Жыл бұрын
I think you are right
@arthurrogers2289
@arthurrogers2289 2 жыл бұрын
Never underestimate
@user-mm1nt1it5v
@user-mm1nt1it5v Жыл бұрын
Chinese media was harsh on the j15 too, they called it the flopping fish.
@alanbgtan
@alanbgtan Жыл бұрын
Wait til the Chinese show the ultimate weapon! A wave gun will decimate troop in mass, not bullets one by one.
@multipolarworldorder
@multipolarworldorder 2 жыл бұрын
The new J-15 will be a great aircraft with the AESA radar and latest AAMs.
@kast6446
@kast6446 9 ай бұрын
Unlike other flankers (J11 series, J16 series) use WS-10. J-15 still uses the AL31F as the main engine. AL31F has become the only engine that China currently still buying from Russia. Not quite sure if J-15T is still going to use the AL31F, since rumor says that it is going to use WS-10. WS-10 was very bad in the early years of development (maybe around 2012), to prove the usage of WS-10, there was a time when the Chinese flankers like J11B used two different engines on one jet, one was AL31F, and another was WS-10. After WS-10 finally achieved its original goal of design, the buying of AL31F quickly decreased to only J15. And then there were rumors saying AL31F is a kind of balanced trade exchange between China and Russia, it is not because the PLA Navy has no choice (Their J11BGH use WS-10), but because the Lyulka design bureau needs to have customer's order to maintain their company's running, especially after 2014. But now Russia is at War, and the production has all shifted for that, and now it is very hard for the Lyulka to provide the AL31F to China stable since their production is all now serve to the War. so it is very possible that the J15T is going to use WS-10. These early type J15 will continue to use AL31F until the Navy is out of storage, and then shift to WS-10 or some other Chinese engine that time. I don't think PLA will just decommission these J-15 quickly, maybe these J-15 will still serve on Liaoning or Shandong for a long time, or maybe transfer to the Navy school. PLA usually don't just waste any jets as long as there is the possibility to upgrade them.
@Theboujoire
@Theboujoire 2 жыл бұрын
Are you sure it was ridiculed and criticized more than the F35 ?... I think every plane has it's own fans and "non-fans" Depends on what makes the news and when it does...
@simonyip5978
@simonyip5978 Жыл бұрын
I think that because this is an English language KZfaq channel, which has few if any Chinese viewers or subscribers, many viewers and commenters have a bias against China, so the number of negative comments will likely be much higher than if this was a Chinese social media channel. A lot of people outside of China are either ignorant of how advanced China really is, or they overstate the combat experience of some western nations compared to the PLA's combat experience. Plain old anti China attitudes is also probably a large part of the negative comments unfortunately.
@MrScrunchee
@MrScrunchee 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn't mention pl15 missile. Is this video outdated? Hard to keep up with china's military with such rapid iterative development in a lot of areas.
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
I specifically said near the beginning of this video I am not looking at the recent upgraded version, which are not yet in service. This video discusses a specific issue, which I clarified at the start. I don't we should call this vid outdated, because it is not intended to cover what you have in mind. If you are looking for a video on the new J-15 variant that was shown in mid December, go check out my other video made specifically on that.
@user-mc3xv2dh4z
@user-mc3xv2dh4z 2 жыл бұрын
说的挺好,西方对前苏联库兹涅佐夫级也存在过类似的误解,其实滑跃甲板能否满载起飞却决于是否是从重载起飞点起飞,还有当前的甲板风力,典型三代机推重比其实都可以满足起飞条件,不存在su33或J15在滑跃甲板绝对不能满载起飞的问题。
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it, and you made very interesting parallels between the Type 001/002 and the Admiral Kuznetsov!
@user-mc3xv2dh4z
@user-mc3xv2dh4z 2 жыл бұрын
@@EurasiaNaval In fact, the information that 002 can carry 36 J-15 is basically false. In fact, the leaders of the shipyard quoted the data on the Chinese Internet in an interview with reporters, which was not the real data. There was a deviation in the follow-up media reports, which did not explain that the data was quoted from the data on the Internet, resulting in a closed loop in the dissemination of information. Compared with 001, the increase of the actual carrying capacity of 002 is very limited, because the overall design is the same as 001, but the location of the original anti-ship missile launcher is changed to the hangar. In fact, this space is not large enough to accommodate 12 J-15 (001 is not equipped with anti-ship missiles, and the corresponding location is changed to the naval cabin)
@user-mc3xv2dh4z
@user-mc3xv2dh4z 2 жыл бұрын
J15 is a very huge fighter
@qiyuxuan9437
@qiyuxuan9437 2 жыл бұрын
甲板风到30节苏33都能从短起飞点几乎满载起飞,歼15推重比要高一点点,而且辽宁舰和山东舰保养的比毛子的库兹涅佐夫好太多了,满载起飞不算啥难题,除非甲板顺风😂
@liaojohnweechun7454
@liaojohnweechun7454 5 ай бұрын
GREAT INFORMATIVE VIDEO 👌👍👍
@jagodiving
@jagodiving Жыл бұрын
Yes, skyjump has limitation in term of aircraft load capacity, but the main important issue is, how china accelerate and compete US aircraft carrier like nimitz class can launch aircraft with 120 sorties per day and gerald ford class with 160 sorties per day
@Dmitri_Donskoy
@Dmitri_Donskoy Жыл бұрын
The new 003 fujian carrier now uses electronic catapults and removed the skijump
@matrixbug
@matrixbug Жыл бұрын
@@Dmitri_Donskoy relax... 003 is just a big training vessel... 不用當真😂
@SH-ui8xw
@SH-ui8xw Жыл бұрын
Now it can finally operate with full capacity onboard China’s new carrier
@edisonone
@edisonone 2 жыл бұрын
. Let’s just say that *”nothing can ever beat the F14 and 15 that Tom Cruise’s was piloting and nothing ever will”*. Final! . .
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
What if we put tom cruise in a j-15??
@edisonone
@edisonone 2 жыл бұрын
That’ll do the job I suppose… But I much rather a few sexy looking Chinese fantasising blonde, brunette, or some redhead doing the co-piloting or manning the missile launching joysticks with the dazzling Fan Bing Bing or the mesmerizing Zhao Wei Wei or even the sweet looking Ruby Lin at the Helm🤩. .
@deanpatterson9036
@deanpatterson9036 2 жыл бұрын
The plane is not the problem. It's launching from a ski jump...
@mdferdoushasan1846
@mdferdoushasan1846 Жыл бұрын
i support, Russia,, China, Pakistan, North Korea.. Love from BANGLADESH 🇧🇩🇳🇱🇵🇰🇨🇳🇰🇵
@andrewhuang5147
@andrewhuang5147 5 ай бұрын
Sometimes being underestimated gives you advantage.
@bambang303378
@bambang303378 Жыл бұрын
The problem is not the J-15. I am sure J-15 is pretty capable. The issue is the carrier. So far China is still using STOBAR carrier. In order for Chinese navy to utilize full potentials of J-15 they need CATOBAR carrier.
@clement3718
@clement3718 6 ай бұрын
It's good that the USA military experts ridicule China's hardware so that they would be caught off guard during any real encounter...China will persevere and overtake US in due course. Jiayou.
@timothyong977
@timothyong977 6 ай бұрын
Though PLA have no combat experience but their weapon manufacturing efficiency is much superior than US. They innovate their planes based on US planes which is much upgraded.
@user-kz9sc8jh6o
@user-kz9sc8jh6o 6 ай бұрын
Not so long ago, China was laughed at about their product quality, from white electronic goods, cars, toys, ... even 10 years ago a banking exec was saying China was a follower in payment industry. Well, look at what happen. China has knocked out Japanese electronic giants, Alipay & Wechat pay become leaders in the industry (globally), most recently exporting electric cars that even rivaling Tesla (praised & admited by Musk himself), highspeed trains, proprietary passenger widebody jets that will take on Boeing & Airbus... as for military. China's first aircraft carrier was launched in 2012, the 2nd indigenious version in 2017, and the 3rd China-made (with electronic catapult) in 2022 (to be in service by 2025), ... And China has only just started.
@benjaminmyers5299
@benjaminmyers5299 Жыл бұрын
How is this guy an expert? At the c. 6min. mark, he claims that the ski jump requires that aircraft "expend a considerable amount of internal fuel." That explanation calls all of his claims into question.
@alinazang6651
@alinazang6651 5 ай бұрын
You're not listening very carefully, if at all. He was quoting an American article that was criticizing the J15.
@bobbuilder1255
@bobbuilder1255 6 ай бұрын
Well US F-35 had records of crash. But J-15 doesn't have record of crash. This already tell the basic engine capability and avionics.
@sammychow5238
@sammychow5238 2 жыл бұрын
UK’s carrier uses ski jump ramps!?
@Lcr34
@Lcr34 2 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@regizeelement8511
@regizeelement8511 2 жыл бұрын
Yes sir… same issues… but they are newly built… 2 summore lol
@Harper.Tech49
@Harper.Tech49 2 жыл бұрын
that's why they can only launch F35Bs instead of F35Cs
@OhFookinELL
@OhFookinELL 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand why China built the 002 Shangdong. It’s basically a larger version of 001 Liaoning with the same limitations of a ski ramp. Should have built 002 as a modern catapult carrier.
@sammychow5238
@sammychow5238 2 жыл бұрын
For training navy pilots in real time situation.
@OhFookinELL
@OhFookinELL 2 жыл бұрын
@@sammychow5238 They still could train navy pilots had the 002 was a catapult carrier. Unless they hadn’t the technology of steam or electro magnetic catapults.
@sammychow5238
@sammychow5238 2 жыл бұрын
They needed to see /experience the air craft carrier process. Chinese is methodical in their process.
@donyzhang3774
@donyzhang3774 2 жыл бұрын
003 is the catapult carrier, step by step.
@stevepoon6262
@stevepoon6262 2 жыл бұрын
001 Liaoning was not being built from scratch, it was built in 1986 as Kuznetsov-class later renamed as "Varyag ", China purchased it and refurbished it and renamed as Liaoning. So 002 Shandong was the 1st carrier built from scratch.
@320jasont
@320jasont Жыл бұрын
I'm sure it's a very competent fourth gen fighter. Do I think it stands a chance against an F-22 or F-35? Absolutely not. The J-20 might at least in certain conditions although it's not a true stealth jet.
@multipolarworldorder
@multipolarworldorder 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video; thanks.
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@marcg1686
@marcg1686 7 ай бұрын
@EurasiaNaval The perceived weakness of the J-15 has nothing to do with its aerodynamic or kinetic strengths. It has to do with the ski jump. The ski jump results in high centripetal forces acting on the wings of the J-15 as it accelates upward. The only way to prevent damaging the wings being damaged is to limit the stores to light weight missiles.
@rael5469
@rael5469 Жыл бұрын
How can aircraft launch off of a ski jump compared to a catapult? I would think that the ski jump would slow the aircraft rather than make it speed up. What kind of fuzzy physics is going on there? Also, doesn't the ski jump limit what kind of aircraft can fly off of that carrier? ....whereas a catapult can be adjusted for lighter or heavier aircraft. Yes?
@EZ-viewing.
@EZ-viewing. 6 ай бұрын
Let’s look at the incredibly negligent manner in which western ‘superpowers’ have lost unimaginable aircraft. It’s a miracle and reflective of advanced Chinese technologies that only 2 planes were lost over 12 years.
@bingzhou2031
@bingzhou2031 2 жыл бұрын
额讲真j15确实不算先进。它是为了解决有无问题,从特殊渠道搞来了前苏联的舰载机作技术原型,大量应用成熟技术,在短时间内设计出来的。中国海军理想的舰载机应该是fc31上舰,并以近年来的技术成就对j15作技术升级。
@zixinxia194
@zixinxia194 2 жыл бұрын
The problem of Liaoning is not its plane, but it's steam engines. Steam engines needs time to heat up. Basically, Liaoning needs about 30 minutes to heat up and prepare it self and gain speed to be combat ready. While other carriers like nuclear or gas turbines only need half of the time. Liaoning is really vulnerable when in docked. China needs an replacement engine. PL-8 is also not as good as PL-10.
@shermanpeabody6102
@shermanpeabody6102 2 жыл бұрын
China main naval offensive weapons are submarines. Aircraft carriers serve as backups
@qiyuxuan9437
@qiyuxuan9437 2 жыл бұрын
Every carrier is an easy target when docked, and nuclear power is also steam engine, it just uses nuclear fuel instead of oil to heat up the water.
@jk3jk35
@jk3jk35 10 ай бұрын
Any news on the J-15B?
@howiescott5865
@howiescott5865 Жыл бұрын
Looks like it might possibly beat the ol' Saratoga and Yorktown... not so sure about beating the Essex class carriers.
@americanknow8232
@americanknow8232 Жыл бұрын
F-35 fly only mark 1.3 talking about terrible jet. F-35 carrying capacity is much lower. What are they comparing with ?
@syedanasbaqi
@syedanasbaqi 5 ай бұрын
Underestimating their opponents while war mongering and fear based sabre rattling is as violently American as ranch sauce.
@NVRAMboi
@NVRAMboi 2 жыл бұрын
Chinese quality control.
@aaronjensen8455
@aaronjensen8455 6 ай бұрын
Military establishments in the US/West HAVE NOT ridiculed the J-15. The articles you cited are written by civilians(with no military background), not the Pentagon or the US Air Force/Navy. Read DIA's report to congress for (unclassified) insight into what the DOD thinks of the J-15.
@florantesoriano8737
@florantesoriano8737 6 ай бұрын
In combat rule no 1 do not understimate your enemy might be surprise you nations are familiar bout US armament so there's a possibility to imitate the weapons and making better and advance by innovation .
@tonysia6474
@tonysia6474 8 ай бұрын
J-15 is huge and heavy fighter jets. It's not suitable for fighter but as bomber. Better built smaller and medium sizes fighter jets with powerful engines like J-17, J-10 & J-35.
@fofoqueiro5524
@fofoqueiro5524 5 ай бұрын
It seems Chinese are very comfortable of being underestimated by the west
@cool_cat007smoove3
@cool_cat007smoove3 8 ай бұрын
The SU-33..😮😮
@lundsweden
@lundsweden 7 ай бұрын
It looks like a MIG29
@tontosilver6578
@tontosilver6578 Жыл бұрын
These jets are as good as SU-27s but one major weakness.... engine reliability which they should look into and improve overtime...
@tonbopro
@tonbopro 2 жыл бұрын
Taiwan sources? enuf said,Want?旺旺? OMG
@EurasiaNaval
@EurasiaNaval 2 жыл бұрын
Their baby biscuit isn't bad
@donhiggins629
@donhiggins629 6 ай бұрын
Its just a su33 or27 old jet from the 70ieds how good can it be
@clearheaded5696
@clearheaded5696 6 ай бұрын
Bet you would not say the same for the fleet of aging USS Grandpa Class aircraft carrier.
@darwinyuson9338
@darwinyuson9338 7 ай бұрын
Flanker vs Stealth. hahaha no much is the flanker, at a very far distance it can be seen already by the stealth fighter and launched sidewinder missiles at it.
@p.j.882
@p.j.882 7 ай бұрын
Chinese media called this jet.... floppy fish.
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