European Championships 1994: Jean Michel Saive-Jan Ove Waldner
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European Championships 1994: Jean Michel Saive (BEL) vs. Jan Ove Waldner (SWE)
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Mens Singles Final
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@Furansowakun 7 жыл бұрын
What a great game !! Probably the best level of Jean-Michel Saive in his career. Super partie, un niveau hallucinant. Probablement le niveau le plus élevé dans la carrière de Jean-Michel Saive.
@andreialexandruparfeni7129 7 жыл бұрын
Great match. Saive played like a penholder, attacking with his forehand from everywhere, while Waldner was often forced to defend. While it's obvious that Waldner's injury was important, it does not take away anything from Saive's amazing win (the best match he has ever played).
@thevicegod4393 2 жыл бұрын
No kidding these two are legends
@sagatisbeast 8 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing match, wow..
@Galimah 8 жыл бұрын
it was... when watching matches like this i get so angry that ittf changed game the forever please bring back speedglue and 38mm balls
@sagatisbeast 8 жыл бұрын
+Galimah agreed brother.
@forzatuner3916 3 жыл бұрын
@@Galimah Agreed.
@Bravilor 7 ай бұрын
The commentary: "Yes!" "Good!" "Well done!" "Well played!" "Wow!" "Great!"
@aduschek 8 жыл бұрын
Best tabletennis in history and for ever.....
@kuchikibyakuya7697 3 жыл бұрын
Ml vs fzd is more interesting.
@dickn.ormous1064 3 жыл бұрын
@@kuchikibyakuya7697 ML vs FZD mostly consists of banana flicks and tons of errors.FZD has one of the ugliest styles ever with all that squatting.
@kuchikibyakuya7697 3 жыл бұрын
@@dickn.ormous1064 lol. Your name define your attitude. Ml and fzd can beat these two easily.
@DuchDoby 12 жыл бұрын
I just love these old school matches with legends of the sport...Thx!
@ck-wg2hm Ай бұрын
JO has got beside his smooth technics the most brutal smash ever.
@watsonzou3059 11 жыл бұрын
the best table tennis video i ever watched....thx for uploading.
@hangintree33 8 жыл бұрын
greatest time in TT!
@magnussturesson1722 6 жыл бұрын
Beat or be beaten! One of the most entertaining encounters ever. It contains just about everything you possibly can expect or imagine from a good match. The ruse at 3:59 with a sudden and unexpected change of pace is the kind of behaviour you rarely see anyone else but Waldner or Roger Federer perform.
@ChessArmyCommander 4 жыл бұрын
I like how the old 38mm ball had more variation or variety. Due to it having a lot more spin.
@theBlaechen 12 жыл бұрын
what a match!! thanks for posting this amazing match :)
@74persson 3 жыл бұрын
What a match Waldner played very good i think but Saive played unbelivable here like a machine and i say this as a Swede.
@ChessArmyCommander 6 жыл бұрын
Saive was a topspin madman back in the day!
@janus770 12 жыл бұрын
Great find!! Amazing Match!! Thanks a lot my friend!!! :)
@TTAlphaRSM 12 жыл бұрын
ttposter beautiful work, was a great game, it's very rare to see old videos like this in good quality Congratulations
@_HAS_X 6 жыл бұрын
Jean Michel Saive - Great player, legend! And Jan Ove Waldner too, block-master
@druidzown 12 жыл бұрын
6:55 just wow. Never seen JM Saive play like this. Wonderful upload, many thanks!
@suysing 3 жыл бұрын
La vitesse de la fin d'échange 6:47.... puissant ! Superbe match, merci
@olaniyi570 10 жыл бұрын
I have the uncut version. Waldner injured his finger in the 2nd or 3rd game and had to have it iced. Not saying that Saive wouldn't have won anyway but if one sees the entire video it's apparent that the injury affected Waldner's game.
@krzysztoflaskowski6110 3 жыл бұрын
Thats what i hace been thinking since it happened back then. Waldi has never ever even mentioned it publicly how bad it has affected him ...He is such a great sportsman After that cut, he clearly struggled with his grip until the end, and as you said, its difficult to say if he would have won it if it hasnt happened, judging by the opening 10 points, where Saive moved to 8-2 lead and Janne still managed to come back and win that game clearly indicates that he was capable of winning that match if that unlucky cut has not happened. Take care mate 🙂
@watsonzou3059 11 жыл бұрын
wow, that surprises me alot! still no. 1 player.... love Saive so much when i was in university, remind me of school times, amazing!
@Metagalaktik 7 жыл бұрын
Saive - best tt player ever!!!
@vidyutharni6151 4 жыл бұрын
Great match from the good ol days !
@bachforelle11 10 жыл бұрын
so great to see a tt match from the year of my birth :)
@SanJyuuKyuu 12 жыл бұрын
This angle is great !
@ChesterRGC 5 жыл бұрын
great match and i love Saive since that video of The best table tennis match of history
@KhalilMGebara 11 жыл бұрын
Speed glue, 38mm balls, cool curves. Epic days, epic match.
@Hristijan195 12 жыл бұрын
Great match !
@kedenz 4 жыл бұрын
Nice footwork from Saive. Great match.
@lillbrorsan 12 жыл бұрын
Really nice match =D
@duckhere23 6 жыл бұрын
2 big legends 💣
@SuperChessboy 12 жыл бұрын
Great match, and great play by Jean-Michel Saive. I really think the upgrade of the ball size has changed many things, watching this match and the style of Ma long f.e.
@GeorgiusTSK 11 жыл бұрын
Waldner is really good!
@lumm71 12 жыл бұрын
Wow! Saive destroyed Waldner. Great match. Thanks!
@gr637 3 жыл бұрын
It was Saive who did all the running.
@wangbin318 12 жыл бұрын
legend forever!!!
@Galimah 3 жыл бұрын
very different from today. these guys could crack balls from the hips. speed ---> spin.
@watsonzou3059 11 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! it's epic! i never seen so amazing match again since 11points game. 11 points game make table tennis ugly.......
@krzysztoflaskowski6110 3 жыл бұрын
U are right, i add more, i think 40mm ball killed table tennis Its all about power now Spin control of the ball was crucial before Now its all about power and speed
@Fontsman 4 жыл бұрын
Waldy injured his index finger and it was definitely bothering him. Also he was too passive and allowed Saive to get the first attack too often.
@SuperHammaren 8 жыл бұрын
Is this the final when Waldner was playing with a injured finger? It was a handicap for him if I recall correctly.
@martialdramaix7701 2 жыл бұрын
Waldner, the only European player who won against Chinese players, Saive, the only player who won against Waldner 😀
@jimcrow85 4 жыл бұрын
Saive puro corazón!!!
@evgeniy_moscow_gooner 9 жыл бұрын
I'd like the 38 mm ball to be returned. It's uncomparably faster than the new ploy ball.
@olaniyi570 8 жыл бұрын
i don't like the new poly balls. what's next, full sized tennis balls?
@matonatomic 7 жыл бұрын
The reason why they changed was because the ball too fast and too small for TV cameras to pick it up, you know didn't have HD and 4K TV's back then...
@Furansowakun 7 жыл бұрын
Me I prefer the news plastic balls.
@krzysztoflaskowski6110 3 жыл бұрын
38 mm ball was all about the speed and precision 40 mm ball is all about power
@paulbismuth10 3 жыл бұрын
I have nothing against the 40mm ball, on the other end i am still not sold on the new polly ball, but spectacle is still here the real downside is the standardisation of the styles ( less choppers and feeling style players).
@tjbanville 4 жыл бұрын
The thing that really jumps out to me is the pronounced forward swinging motion of Saive and to a lesser extent Waldner. Huge hip rotation and turning of the trunk. Compare it to the way Boll swings (the racket ends above his eyes), and most European players after him. Huge difference. What you see here is a much more aggressive style-it's far easier to play forehand over the table in the first 5 balls. And this at a time when attacking serves+receives was much more difficult, with hidden motions and a spinnier ball. Something to think about.
@dickn.ormous1064 Жыл бұрын
Saive had the best forehand when attacking short balls on the table but overall Waldner had better forehand technique.For example Saive had poor results against choppers 'cause his forehand against chop was played only with the arm.Also Waldner could utilize a much greater variety of stances whereas you'll never see any foreward momentum from Saive when pivoting.
@Furansowakun 4 жыл бұрын
3:06 Magnifique
@HaZeEurope91 12 жыл бұрын
Saive the warrior!
@yogistyle92 12 жыл бұрын
Since what year did they switch from 38mm to 40mm balls?
@kurintoSmash 12 жыл бұрын
Oh! Still on LIVE! - Welcome to the Past! lol!
@TTPoster 12 жыл бұрын
No problem Kostas! :-)
@SavageJimbo 7 ай бұрын
0:03 0:25 0:49 1:26 2:22 4:57 (continued)
@kalpanapatil9126 4 жыл бұрын
2:22 !!! Wow
@Detherocable 11 жыл бұрын
waldner actually got a set the way saive was playing...
@mahmooddr 11 жыл бұрын
How could they control this speed? The ball catapults extremely fast....Look!
@andreialexandruparfeni7129 7 жыл бұрын
Training.
@matheusgilbert3945 8 жыл бұрын
was the table bigger ? the net also seems to be shorter...
@Ilestun 8 жыл бұрын
+Matheus Bilik Nope table wasnt bigger and net wasnt shorter. At this time it was recorded in 4:3, and this video is 16:9.....thats why it gives this false impression to you.
@matheusgilbert3945 8 жыл бұрын
Ilestun oh ok, thank you
@Ilestun 8 жыл бұрын
38MM celuloid balls, speed glue.
@sethhill7310 6 жыл бұрын
would wanlder be number one if he play today
@nicklasandersson5606 5 жыл бұрын
Yes,he would have very fun with todays stupid robots.
@CWZ1116 4 жыл бұрын
@@nicklasandersson5606 All top Chinese players can defeat Waldner easily.
@PrinceArt77 11 жыл бұрын
38mm balls are freaking fasttttt
@matonatomic 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, but how much faster were Waldner's blocks?
@TTCyger 12 жыл бұрын
so many lucky shots from saive. Shots like this he never played before or after this
@kampunggaming8568 2 жыл бұрын
6:55
@SanJyuuKyuu 12 жыл бұрын
6:48 " Get the hell out, Wald !"
@user-hf5hx8po7o 5 жыл бұрын
0:07 逆突かれてブロックじゃなくて逆突かれてワルドナーブロックは反則やって
@petercao7847 7 жыл бұрын
Europe used to have lots of very great players. What is wrong with table tennis in Europe now?
@matonatomic 7 жыл бұрын
Nothing really. it's just there's 1+ billion people in China, and TT is their national sport - so bigger pool of talent. Europe as well as other counties love football too much.
@andreialexandruparfeni7129 7 жыл бұрын
Equipment changed. Now, to be a top player, you have to be very good at attacking the ball, and the Chinese adapted very well.
@Fontsman 6 жыл бұрын
Waldy injured his finger and it definitely affected his play.
@gr637 3 жыл бұрын
Well done Saive for winning, but Waldner controlled the match and was on another level. Waldner made Saive run a marathon in this match.
@user-lp8pv5lz3l 14 күн бұрын
0:24 0:28 3:08 6:48
@PrinceArt77 11 жыл бұрын
hehe...at 5:30 did i hear waldner say "cho"
@andreialexandruparfeni7129 7 жыл бұрын
PrinceArt77 Yes you did.
@ChessArmyCommander 6 жыл бұрын
The 38mm ball was a little bit too small. The new 40mm ball is perfect. Although I do like the 21 point games though. And getting to serve five times in a row. You got time to get into a rhythm while serving. Not saying the new system is bad or anything. I like it. But I know people who were great servers of the ball and are not able to play as strong with the new shorter games and only being able to serve two times.
@ll3yWanTeD 11 жыл бұрын
Lol the year i had born
@tim99291 6 жыл бұрын
The referee called him Sa-eeve. Sad you cannot pronounce a world nr 1's name even remotely proper as a referee in an European Champs final!
@benoitcollet1110 3 жыл бұрын
think you're the only one who cares about that
@alexs19721 11 жыл бұрын
Waldner played well but the finger was bothering him..agreed?
@andreialexandruparfeni7129 7 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@stefanandreaschilla172 Жыл бұрын
Das war noch Tischtennis, mit den 38 mm Bällen. Mit den heutigen 40 mm Bällen sind viele der technischen Feinheiten gar nicht mehr möglich. Heutzutage macht dieser ehemals feine Sport einfach keinen Spaß mehr.
@AnthonyRonaldBrown 11 жыл бұрын
Jean Michel Saive... Gay One Hit Wonder!! Now Totally forgot about! by Real TT Fans!!
@christianwhite9583 10 жыл бұрын
I got to give it to Saive, he beat the best player in history fair & square, but his intensity is annoying! Did you see the veins popping out of his head.
@olaniyi570 9 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Waldner would later talk about in an interview how Saive's intensity makes it even more difficult to play him. Waldner compared it to Borg playing McEnroe.
@nicklasandersson5606 5 жыл бұрын
Fair and square? Waldner injured fingers early and was wiping blood all match.
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