Eurovision: Top 100 Biggest Differences between Jury and Televote (by average points)
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Жыл бұрынWith the discourse around Jury vs Televote, I thought I'd check which entries were the most polarising, forcing the biggest disagreements between the jury and the public vote! I went all the way back to 2009 and calculated the average points out of 12 given to each entry by both voting entities and here is the top 100! By using the average, I wanted to account for the different numbers of participants each year. As EBU has not released the split points for 2013, that year's entries were not included.
Enjoy and let me know what you think!
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Australia 2015 | Guy Sebastian - Tonight Again
Australia 2016 | Dami Im - Sound of Silence
Australia 2017 | Isaiah - Don't Come Easy
Australia 2018 | Jessica Mauboy - We Got Love
Australia 2022 | Sheldon Riley - Not the Same
Australia 2023 | Voyager - Promise
Austria 2011 | Nadine Beiler - The Secret Is Love
Austria 2014 | Conchita Wurst - Rise Like a Phoenix
Austria 2016 | Zoë - Loin d'ici
Austria 2017 | Nathan Trent - Running on Air
Austria 2018 | Cesár Sampson - Nobody but You
Austria 2023 | Teya and Salena - Who the Hell Is Edgar?
Azerbaijan 2009 | AySel and Arash - Always
Azerbaijan 2014 | Dilara Kazimova - Start a Fire
Azerbaijan 2019 | Chingiz - Truth
Azerbaijan 2022 | Nadir Rustamli - Fade to Black
Belgium 2010 | Tom Dice - Me and My Guitar
Belgium 2016 | Laura Tesoro - What's the Pressure
Belgium 2017 | Blanche - City Lights
Belgium 2023 | Gustaph - Because of You
Bulgaria 2021 | Victoria - Growing Up Is Getting Old
Croatia 2023 | Let 3 - Mama ŠČ!
Czech Republic 2018 | Mikolas Josef - Lie to Me
Czech Republic 2019 | Lake Malawi - Friend of a Friend
Denmark 2009 | Brinck - Believe Again
Denmark 2011 | A Friend in London - New Tomorrow
Denmark 2018 | Rasmussen - Higher Ground
Estonia 2015 | Elina Born and Stig Rästa - Goodbye to Yesterday
Estonia 2023 | Alika - Bridges
Finland 2014 | Softengine - Something Better
Finland 2021 | Blind Channel - Dark Side
Finland 2023 | Käärijä - Cha Cha Cha
France 2009 | Patricia Kaas - Et s'il fallait le faire
France 2010 | Jessy Matador - Allez Ola Olé
France 2012 | Anggun - Echo
Greece 2011 | Loukas Yorkas feat. Stereo Mike - Watch My Dance
Greece 2022 | Amanda Georgiadi Tenfjord - Die Together
Hungary 2017 | Joci Pápai - Origo
Iceland 2009 | Yohanna - Is It True?
Iceland 2019 | Hatari - Hatrið mun sigra
Israel 2009 | Noa and Mira Awad - There Must Be Another Way
Israel 2010 | Harel Skaat - Milim
Israel 2016 | Hovi Star - Made of Stars
Israel 2018 | Netta - Toy
Italy 2011 | Raphael Gualazzi - Madness of Love
Italy 2012 | Nina Zilli - L'amore è femmina
Italy 2015 | Il Volo - Grande amore
Italy 2017 | Francesco Gabbani - Occidentali's Karma
Italy 2018 | Ermal Meta and Fabrizio Moro - Non mi avete fatto niente
Italy 2021 | Måneskin - Zitti e buoni
Latvia 2015 | Aminata - Love Injected
Lithuania 2021 | The Roop - Discoteque
Malta 2014 | Firelight - Coming Home
Malta 2016 | Ira Losco - Walk on Water
Malta 2021 | Destiny - Je me casse
Moldova 2017 | SunStroke Project - Hey Mamma
Moldova 2022 | Zdob și Zdub and Advahov Brothers - Trenulețul
Netherlands 2017 | OG3NE - Lights and Shadows
Netherlands 2022 | S10 - De diepte
North Macedonia 2019 | Tamara Todevska - Proud
Norway 2015 | Mørland and Debrah Scarlett - A Monster Like Me
Norway 2017 | Jowst - Grab the Moment
Norway 2019 | Keiino - Spirit in the Sky
Norway 2022 | Subwoolfer - Give That Wolf a Banana
Norway 2023 | Alessandra - Queen of Kings
Poland 2014 | Donatan and Cleo - My Słowianie - We Are Slavic
Poland 2016 | Michał Szpak - Color of Your Life
Portugal 2021 | The Black Mamba - Love Is on My Side
Portugal 2022 | Maro - Saudade, saudade
Romania 2017 | Ilinca feat. Alex Florea - Yodel It!
Russia 2011 | Alexey Vorobyov - Get You
Russia 2012 | Buranovskiye Babushki - Party for Everybody
Russia 2016 | Sergey Lazarev - You Are the Only One
Russia 2019 | Sergey Lazarev - Scream
Serbia 2022 | Konstrakta - In corpore sano
Slovenia 2011 | Maja Keuc - No One
Spain 2012 | Pastora Soler - Quédate conmigo
Spain 2023 | Blanca Paloma - Eaea
Sweden 2011 | Eric Saade - Popular
Sweden 2015 | Måns Zelmerlöw - Heroes
Sweden 2017 | Robin Bengtsson - I Can't Go On
Sweden 2018 | Benjamin Ingrosso - Dance You Off
Sweden 2019 | John Lundvik - Too Late for Love
Sweden 2022 | Cornelia Jakobs - Hold Me Closer
Sweden 2023 | Loreen - Tattoo
Switzerland 2014 | Sebalter - Hunter of Stars
Switzerland 2021 | Gjon's Tears - Tout l'univers
Switzerland 2022 | Marius Bear - Boys Do Cry
Turkey 2009 | Hadise - Düm Tek Tek
Turkey 2012 | Can Bonomo - Love Me Back
Ukraine 2012 | Gaitana - Be My Guest
Ukraine 2016 | Jamala - 1944
Ukraine 2018 | Mélovin - Under the Ladder
Ukraine 2021 | Go_A - Shum
Ukraine 2022 | Kalush Orchestra - Stefania
Ukraine 2023 | Tvorchi - Heart of Steel
United Kingdom 2009 | Jade Ewen - It's My Time
United Kingdom 2011 | Blue - I Can
United Kingdom 2017 | Lucie Jones - Never Give Up on You
United Kingdom 2022 | Sam Ryder - Space Man
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@BecauseEurovision Жыл бұрын
This is a correction to yesterday's video. It was pointed out to me that the ROW vote was not taken into account for the televote average of 2023. I apologise! Over the next few days, I'll also be updating some of my past videos with the class of 2023, so stay tuned! Let me know what you think in the comments below! Don't forget to like and subscribe for more Eurovision content!
@LianRodriguezTorres Жыл бұрын
Why not include ROW for the televoto average of 2023?
@BecauseEurovision Жыл бұрын
@@LianRodriguezTorres This video includes the ROW. I uploaded a video before this one where I typed my formulas wrong and it didn't change the calculation for this year, but this video is okay.
@bosko41 Ай бұрын
Jacques Houdek "My friend"?
@marsukarhu9477 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't mind the juries if they'd favor artsy, ethnic songs like this year's Spain, Czechia and Serbia. But most of the entries that were favored by jury are just boring, disposable pop songs. What's the use of the juries again?
@Snejk_Y00 Жыл бұрын
Poland would've got 8th place if juries were gone, think about that
@jijitters 11 ай бұрын
Juries mostly pay attention to the vocal talent of the singers rather than the songs. I understand why they care about that, but since it is a song contest and not a vocalist contest (everyone is already a signed artist so it's not like they're trying to prove that) it does often feel unlike the spirit of the event.
@GenericNameeee 20 күн бұрын
To find the best songs, and they are very, very consistently doing it. Usually better at choosing than the televote!
@alexdelaloire8739 Жыл бұрын
I still can't forgive the jury for Poland 2016, Finland 2023, Moldova 2017, Norway 2023, Ukraine 2021...but especially for POLAND 2016
@lucaswallo8127 Жыл бұрын
Finland did really well thougj
@willmrgn Жыл бұрын
Finland still came fourth in the juries, Norway 2019 was robbed by the juries beyond comprehension
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@@willmrgn Norway 2019 still got much less televotes than Finland 2023, so definitely weren't robbed "more", plus Keiino's song plagiarized Finland's entry 2018, "Monsters", clearly the same chorus, so I'm not sure they deserved even that.
@beandrag9019 Жыл бұрын
Poland 2016 is rotted
@alexdelaloire8739 Жыл бұрын
@@beandrag9019 To each their own
@myslithecat Жыл бұрын
I notice a pattern of jury favored songs being mostly forgotten ones and audience favorites are the ones we remember. Juries don't have the same taste as audience, nobody is going to listen to song that's musically brilliant and perfect if it isn't fun and catchy too and juries don't give points for being catchy.
@MichaelSpengler Жыл бұрын
somwe of the jurries favourite were not even that good quality..
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@@MichaelSpengler I'd say most of them ;)
@evidemment14 Жыл бұрын
I bet most those so called juries don't even remember the songs they awarded, either
@thewolter9703 Жыл бұрын
it;s logical, if something wasn't precious for the people, they did not vote for it and it is forggetten. simple. But Austria 2023 favourited by jury and not tele? This is not was I have seen
@evidemment14 Жыл бұрын
@@thewolter9703 Austria 2023 was hyped by the fandom because of the message and the great production behind it. But on the actual stage, it fell flat and forgettable, and the running order didn't help. I don't think anyone outside the fandom got the idea. The girls came across as wannabe quirky and sounded floppy. The outfits were meh, and the staging was pointless. So much for creativity
@smallblueangel Жыл бұрын
im still mad about Grande Amore and expect me to forever be mad about Cha Cha Cha too!
@snflasnfekglnsakf Ай бұрын
you act like loreen got 2 points from the public…
@smallblueangel Ай бұрын
@@snflasnfekglnsakf no never did. But she didn’t won the public vote. This is simply a fact. And she didn’t got the 12 points from any country from the publicy Jere got 18
@jacknapier1183 23 күн бұрын
And now the same with baby lasagna...such a disappointment!
@smallblueangel 23 күн бұрын
@@jacknapier1183 not at all. Baby Lasagna profits from Joost disqualification. He would have never won public vote if Joost would have been there. BL is not in the same league like Käärijä or il volo.
@jacknapier1183 22 күн бұрын
@smallblueangel I was talking more about the disappointment that he didn't win at the end. Yes the voting might have been different if Joost was there,but at the end we all hoped for Croatia to win,and not Switzerland
@olivnight 3 ай бұрын
This is crazy how tv voters gave cha cha cha in average more than 10 points and it still didn’t win. Just crazy
@quangminhtran2916 Жыл бұрын
Italy 2023 has made me wonder which entries have the smallest between jury and televote aka entries where jury and televote agreed and gave similar points to it, since Marco has 176 jury vote and 174 televote which made the gap between the 2 scores to be 2 points apart, I wonder which entries have the similar gap like it. Some little birds told me if that list ever happened, UK 2021 would be on the top spot lol (0 jury vote and 0 televote).
@philipdawson7800 Жыл бұрын
Iirc, 4 songs have received the exact same amount of points from jury & televote: UK 2021: 0+0 Germany 2017: 3+3 Iceland 2022: 10+10 Finland 2018: 23+23
@knusprigeschuhsohle7939 Жыл бұрын
lmaooo not uk finally coming 1st in a esc list after all 💀
@sw00per94 Жыл бұрын
you really came for the uk like that huh😭😭
@fddfsddfs Жыл бұрын
For another similar which comes to my mind, France 2021 got a 3 points difference (248 juries 251 televote)
@philipdawson7800 Жыл бұрын
@@fddfsddfs I think Chanel was 3 points apart too (228 tele, 231 juries).
@KyrieFortune Жыл бұрын
Juries: with very few exceptions, greatly prefers ballads, powerful female voices, and Sweden Public: is it a soft ballad? Hardcore techno/EDM? Glam metal? Folk punk/rap? Straight up opera? You will never know. The paths of the televote are a mysterious multitude
@elvinam888 Жыл бұрын
Well, jury votes are to me much more mysterious ;D As most of the time I really don't get what they see in an entry...
@teukka623 Жыл бұрын
@@elvinam888 they see the geography of the country
@sk70091 Жыл бұрын
Yes, of course the public has a more varied taste, they're millions of people. That's why the winner should be decided by the public only.
@theentitledsiriowlsx 4 ай бұрын
@@sk70091 Disagree. The have done this thing like around 2000-2008 something, and Eurovision during that time is a total joke.
@sk70091 4 ай бұрын
@@theentitledsiriowlsx A total joke? Because entries you personally didn't like did better than you would have liked?
@elvinam888 Жыл бұрын
I love most of the televote favorites here!
@AntonDiachuk Жыл бұрын
Also interested idea: What if juries and televoting gave 0-25 points (1 place gets 25 points, 2 place gets 24 and so on). Also try it with rankings of every jurors. You will be shocked with results
@escaustargirl Жыл бұрын
What did the juries see in Sweden 2018 11:01 like seriosuly
@florenna Жыл бұрын
It seems to be enough just that it's Sweden, unfortunately. :( They could send someone reading the telephone directory aloud, or alternatively farting on stage (as someone suggested), and still get loads of jury points...
@elvinam888 Жыл бұрын
@@florenna 😂😂 You're so right!!
@xixon4655 Жыл бұрын
They saw the swedish flag. That's enough for them.
@myslithecat Жыл бұрын
@@florenna Finally people are realizing that! Sweden has sent some medicore songs that would not make it to finals if it would've come from any other country, but it's Sweden so it always gets to finals. I'm from Finland so all the swedes will say I'm just bitter, but it has happen in past years and you could see there was many swedish songs getting much higher jury points than audience points so there is a pattern.
@mattiassollerman Жыл бұрын
Ask Duncan Laurence. It's his favorite Eurovision song of all time. 🤔🤔
@321_au 23 күн бұрын
Croatia and Israel (both with their 2024 entries) would like to enter the chat.
@robertcepo1505 Жыл бұрын
Anyone else caught the pattern of jury overrating Swedish song and televote saving us?
@Pingoping Жыл бұрын
not in 2011
@florenna Жыл бұрын
Yes, there very obviously is a pattern. :( Thats why the outcry now.
@ChrolliForever Жыл бұрын
I hate it!!!
@renemortensen5028 Жыл бұрын
Not as much as I am seing Malta, austria, Australia getting punked by televoters
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@@renemortensen5028 Because ther songs are mostly not good... At least in recent years. Forgettable and bland (sorry).
@sylwuskak7065 Жыл бұрын
Il Volo ❤❤❤
@LumiHiutale433 Жыл бұрын
Yeah no wonder why sweden has won so many times. Public doesn’t favor them but the jury has fell in love with sweden
@elvinam888 Жыл бұрын
Not sure it's love, just favouritism 😉
@erikstenviken2652 Жыл бұрын
Loreen, Sweden, came second to finland this year when we count the points from the tele vote.
@mariomm9080 Жыл бұрын
most of Sweden songs were very good though , and you can still hear them on the radio after 5 years
@marsukarhu9477 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, there's something wrong when you see all the Swedish entries on the "Most points by juries" and "Biggest differences between jury and televote" lists.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@@mariomm9080 Then your definition of "very good" is very different from mine, and many people's.
@babacaca1812 27 күн бұрын
Poland 2016 is the biggest robeery in eurovision history
@KreeZafi 9 ай бұрын
I notice that often the juries prefer more conventional radio songs, whereas the public much more favors interesting stuff. Frankly I wish we did away with the jury votes - I don't want a bunch of pretentious music nerds deciding who wins, it should be the people's favorite!
@TremblingQualifier 22 күн бұрын
Those "pretentious nerds" are the ones who create the music that people enjoy and drive the industry forward. Also, erroneous observation about the conventional radio songs.
@bosko41 Ай бұрын
I came here to be mad at jury but now I'm mad at public votes 😅
@irinapilipchuk7479 Жыл бұрын
The biggest problem of jury - they almost always overrated Sweden.
@willwall9725 29 күн бұрын
Sure but the reason for this is very simple. The International esc jury votes in the melody festival (50% are jury votes) and the winner of the Melodifestival gets to represent Sweden in Esc. Therefore Sweden will almost always submit a song that the jury likes. It is as simple as that.
@_ianchristopher Жыл бұрын
incredible top 3 tho
@O-la25 25 күн бұрын
I like sooo many songs that were underrated by jury. Poland 'color of my love' is still in my heart
@marsukarhu9477 Жыл бұрын
So Keiino was robbed too.... I never realized that they got only 40 (!!!) points from the jury, wow! Alessandra did almost as bad with only 52 jury points. Why isn't Norway getting any jurylove?
@florenna Жыл бұрын
Well in this list Norway has got more jury than televotes in 2015, for example ;)
@XquantumX-_- Жыл бұрын
Alessandra and keiino had bad jury performances(keiino for technical reasons), Norway also get a lot of jury points when they send good entries that have good performances in the jury final
@freshlypainted Жыл бұрын
because they’re dated campy pop that would never play on the radio. + poor jury performances. be serious for a second
@LordEmpirex7 5 ай бұрын
@@florennaand in 2017
@vem9583 2 ай бұрын
@@freshlypainted As if Sweden doesn't send dated campy pop lol (I'm Swedish fyi before you start hurling slurs at me)
@user-nx5wt3pj4l 29 күн бұрын
I wish there was only a televoting
@enimation4924 29 күн бұрын
Israel 2024 would top the list with a difference of 7.28528528529 (Ukraine was 6.333 for comparison). Kiieno also had the largest difference (251), but Israel 2024 is 271.
@ksushagolubeffa 24 күн бұрын
And what about Israel 2024? There was a huuuge difference between "jury" and public
@rlrihards948 Ай бұрын
My bet is that Europapa by Joost will also have a big jury/televote difference.
@emperoruniversalis9773 12 күн бұрын
Switch 1 and 2 for perfection
@MrTwarner Жыл бұрын
Austria 2023 is another great reason for the jury to exist-the public seems to completely forget about songs that are early in the running order. I still can’t get over how few televotes they got this year with a song crafted for the televote.
@nickwolf1234 Жыл бұрын
I mean it's unfortunate but you listen and watch 26 acts, of course most of the times a song or two will always be forgotten in the short span of voting in favour of 4 to 5 songs they loved the most. Like Slovenia and France this year. The juries do balance it most of the times, but they need to be nerfed a bit. Something like a 70/30 split or maybe the overall jury points the countries take get cut in half in the end, idk...
@grimwhiskers9249 Жыл бұрын
TBH I just think the live performance was not great. I didn't like the song anyways, but my friend says he liked the studio version and then thought the live version was quite weak by comparison. I reckon France last year had a similar problem, except France just straight up needed more practice singing.
@elenivogiatzi7141 Жыл бұрын
it's possible it just felt short of the top 10 in many countries. If they ranked 11th or 12th for example, they don't get any points. I think that's what happened with Austria, Australia, potentially France and Slovenia. Especially with Australia that ended up winning their semi, it was such a surprise to see them get so few televote points.
@renemortensen5028 Жыл бұрын
Drop the "vote 20 times Thing". One per artist should suffice.
@KyrieFortune Жыл бұрын
They were definitely a top 10 for me... unfortunately, I could vote 5 times, so I had to decide who I wanted to see win or at the very least shine, and Austria unfortunately didn't make the cut.
@idosh1341 28 күн бұрын
update pls POV: Israel 2024
@robertcepo1505 Жыл бұрын
Am I a fan of jury? Absofuckinglutely not. But I don't think we should abolish it. Jury vote should amount to 30% of total points.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
I'm starting to feel even that is too much power... Especially after watching this list :(
@perkz3290 Жыл бұрын
Lovely, so eurovision will just be about catchy circus/meme songs.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@@perkz3290 You're a troll. What's wrong with catchy? That's what songs in ESC *should* be. Unlike these ultra-boring jury winners now. And this "circus/meme" thing is getting really old & tired now.... That's what you say when people love another entry besides yours, and you can't think of any other way of insulting it, it seems 🤣
@perkz3290 Жыл бұрын
@@florenna Honestly I hope they remove the jury so this competition can die and just see all of you be surprised when it happens.
@robertcepo1505 Жыл бұрын
@@perkz3290like in 2015 you mean? When the juries chose heroes (very serious and classy song) over a circus song as grande amore which won the televote?
@TheUn4givN 29 күн бұрын
I think Israel 2024 broke the record with 271 points difference, I just don't know where to find the avarage jury and televote votes
@Goddybag4Lee Жыл бұрын
The only time I actually liked q jury favorite was with Jamala and 1944. All other times its the televote that is the best.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
Jamala actually got more televotes than jury votes, check again! :) (I loved it too.)
@frste26 Жыл бұрын
@florenna not only that but jamala was 2nd place with both the jury and televote. Jury had Dami Im as their 1st place and the public had Sergey. So neither group got their first pick that year lol 😁
@Alex-yr4ib Жыл бұрын
Was there Eurovision in 1944 ???
@Maria.Gulyaeva Жыл бұрын
@@Alex-yr4ib так песня Джамалы называлась, а год был 2016
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@@frste26 Well, to me Jamala was clearly the most deserving by far of these 3, so that year the result was right :) (Russia always got loads televotes due to diaspora, so that's not really a comparable case to e.g. this year.)
@ccf3294 Жыл бұрын
Christ Sweden get wayyyyy too much
@marsukarhu9477 Жыл бұрын
They get away with too much crap 🤔🤔
@atomiclena128 Ай бұрын
Thought I’d hate the jury votes, but Gustaph, S10 & (Spain’s) Blanca were all incredible and I can’t believe jury votes were kinder to them than the audience.
@Icebear2012 Жыл бұрын
Well, there should be 2 categories. One where "pros" vote and other where people vote. I am sure latter one is what everyone wants to win and what really matters.
@elvinam888 Жыл бұрын
There already is the 2 categories, kind of, and thus we can easily see what people loved and what jury liked...
@marsukarhu9477 Жыл бұрын
I basically remember only the ones that had a bigger televote score, that tells something, eh?
@damianboj3809 Жыл бұрын
You always know which won which votes, what's your problem? Nobody cares which place got the song which You liked! Why the place in the table is so important for You?
@PenguinWarlocks Ай бұрын
Surely this video proves that if you want the public to watch and be involved... The jury votea have to go
@roses6382 Ай бұрын
The juries hate fun way too much.. :(
@CryptoLeclerc Жыл бұрын
Jury loves Sweeden
@Muse4Games Жыл бұрын
What I notice is that a lot of the songs in favour of the televote are much more memorable AND/OR better than the ones in favour of the jury vote. The jury should have less power, let the people decide.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
Yes, more memorable and thus better quality :) Since some people seem to equate quality with boring (as that's what juries favour, TBH), which shouldn't be the case.
@nickwolf1234 Жыл бұрын
A 70/30 split, or at the end of the jury vote cut the points in half.
@Muse4Games Жыл бұрын
@@florenna There are also good quality songs that weren't popular with the jury at all. City Lights was top notch! Sergey Lazarav had 2 absolute bangers with "Scream" and "You are the only one". 50/50 vote is just too much. 30/70 would be much fairer.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@@Muse4Games Yes, I nearly always prefer televote songs, so those already *are* quality to me ;) I'm not sure I could point out a single one is this list that was a televote favourite that I'd hate. (Though, I admit I'm not a big fan of those Russian songs, but don't hate them either.) But, like I said, *some* seem to equate "quality" with what I see as boring, and use that as defense why we "need" juries, but I don't agree with that at all. :)
@tasthar3505 Жыл бұрын
I dunno, I'm really digging a lot of jury-friendly songs that televote robbed tbh. Even saved some of my all-time faves from nq'ing a couple of times. Eurovision is not all about silly memorable tunes.
@ChrolliForever Жыл бұрын
Did olanyone notice that the juries always push Sweden? The last 2 wins wouldn't also happened if they don't push Sweden soooo hard and the runner-up so down. That's kinda unfair!
@florenna Жыл бұрын
Yes, more than unfair! Which is why there now is the public outcry.
@KyrieFortune Жыл бұрын
Yeah, i wonder why the eurovision that has basically been remodeled after Melodifestivalen and whose big shot is Swedish would favor Sweden... 🤔🤔🧐🧐
@marsukarhu9477 Жыл бұрын
It's been going on since the 70's
@KreeZafi 9 ай бұрын
Tbh as a Swede I completely agree. We've had some decent songs but we often get higher scores than we deserve - and I'm really pissed that we won 2023! Finland totally deserved it, they were the people's favorite. And while I'm not a conspiracy theorist by any means, I do have suspicions that juries especially pushed us to win this year so that we can host 2024 for the 50 year anniversary of ABBA's win with Waterloo in 1974. Utter bullshit regardless, the live audience was audibly chanting for Käärijä during the scoring, we had no right to claim that win.
@user-qj9ko5nd5g 4 ай бұрын
@@KreeZafi но песня у Лорин потрясающе красивая!
@DMTHOTH 27 күн бұрын
Szpak(2016 Poland) and Kaiino(2019 Norway) were definately robbed.
@Figgy5119 20 күн бұрын
Damn, some of those that are on my most often played playlist got such low televotes XD
@Morning-zo3wq 2 ай бұрын
Finland 🤍💙 and Norway ❤️💙🤍 on the top
@danielmelenti4327 Жыл бұрын
Moldova could have of been top 2 in 2022 if there weren't those stupid Jury votes
@andreiparaschiv9915 Ай бұрын
Juries love corporate pop.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
Watching this, *I realize even more than before how much more I prefer the songs that received more televotes than jury,* and how much I dislike the jury pets, ie. those that got more jury votes than televotes 😔 Many of the ones loved by televote, OTOH, are among my favourites ever. Abolish juries and bring back all televote, I say!! (The *only* instances here that I really like a song that got more jury votes than televotes are Finland 2014, but we all know Finland is normally never a jury pet, Slovenia 2011 and France 2009.)
@renemortensen5028 Жыл бұрын
Funny. I feel the opposite
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@@renemortensen5028 Sorry to hear that, maybe you like boring & bland then? ;) (Or did you post that just to be a contrarian? ;)) I prefer songs that actually make me *feel* something, be it joy, energy, happiness, something poignant, sadness, even anger for some injustice, etc... The only thing those jury faves usually make me feel is irritation. Or boredness.
@marsukarhu9477 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I just commented the same thing! I barely remember any of the songs that were favored by the juries. 🤔🤔
@theentitledsiriowlsx 4 ай бұрын
@@florenna No. Only televote makes it more worse and it doesn't change anything, repeating the same mistake in 2000s. Which is again used by countries for their political agenda.
@gainal9080 9 ай бұрын
People love complaining about jury favouring Sweden when Australia is clearly the country that falls back on jury vote the most.
@jennypoison Жыл бұрын
jury must canceled eurovision its a show for fans
@neelia1982 Жыл бұрын
Juries always favoring sweden and underrating finland and norway soo unfair
@pixidixi3579 10 ай бұрын
Why juries favourite Sweden Austra Malta . Some song so boring . Now I understand why Malta was 2d and 3d when public couldn't vote. And Poland was lasts in jury twice with ballad and folklore songs so beautiful. Last year Moldova was last in every predictions and jury votes but was 2d in televoting. People likes something with emotions or catchy funny songs like this year Finland . Why they choose to win second time Sweden when every country in televoting wanted Finland to win . It has to be changed. Few people can't decide who will win
@benthewheel30 12 күн бұрын
Sadly there is a new number one
@samsunkandroit8797 2 ай бұрын
I would prefer NO JURY Vote! The people are the real Jury!
@unonight3499 Жыл бұрын
Keiino having the most difference (excluding ukraine 2022) is so sad 😭
@dziyanakiryna9214 Ай бұрын
+ Croatia 2024 🥲
@annhenriques3520 10 ай бұрын
Moldova 2017 and Poland 2016 were the worst judge’s decisions, they were robbed. However, overall for me it’s a 50-50 split between supporting judges votes compared to the public. The public often supports acts with mediocre songs but great visual effects/dancing/kitschy acts. The public also unfairly judges most performances from Australia.
@ageometrydashlevel9830 10 ай бұрын
Don't forget Russia 2016 and Turkiye 2010
@HyperLynx_ 5 күн бұрын
eurovision is not what it used to be.. shame that entries like finland 2023, croatia and the netherlands 2024 etc.. are getting this much votes....
@MM-tz2bs Жыл бұрын
This video just proves to me how much we need juries.. so many great songs were just demolished by televote. But juries should be punished for clear neighbor votes. And I would be fine if they made the voting ratio is 60:40 for televote.
@Hosigie Жыл бұрын
So basically jury likes boring ballads and stylistically old songs because they're old and boring people.
@anapaulacameron2438 Жыл бұрын
ThePeaceAround has analysed jury composition and expertise. Median age 49 years old, 60% pop music professionals. Not a single rapper or metal rock representative, just a handful of ethnical musicians.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
Hmm, age doesn't equal boringness necessarily, many people over 60 love rock & metal, at least in my country, while many young people have really boring taste nowadays (Tiktok pop etc.)!
@ChannelXL22 Жыл бұрын
Actually, from reading the comment section, I think that I have a pretty different taste for music than other, in fact (most of the time) I prefer songs that got higher points by juries than by televote, like Greece 2022, Spain 2012, Italy 2012, Austria 2023 and many others.
@Willegus Жыл бұрын
Honestly, most songs I prefer on the list got more points from the jury than the televoting.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
And for me it's the exact opposite.
@alexdelaloire8739 Жыл бұрын
The only song that is like that is Austria 2023 for me. But I think it's because they went first and their live performance is not as catchy as their studio version and they opened the show so that didn't play in their favour at all
@marsukarhu9477 Жыл бұрын
@@alexdelaloire8739 Yeah, that music video is damned good! A lot of ESC experts actually commented that they would've wanted the staging to look more like the video. They thought that the staging was too slick... but I liked it, but I'm no expert...
@jijitters 11 ай бұрын
@@alexdelaloire8739 Austria 2023 was so good. But you're right that the official video and recorded song were so much better than the live performance they did.
@g1lmk 23 күн бұрын
Man, 10+ average points from the televote is crazy (I ignore Kalush cause it was anti-war driven voting).
@thegreatestfan1984 Жыл бұрын
This year both televote and jury were pretty much shit.... (there were exceptions, but very few)
@AlexHusser Жыл бұрын
Thank god we have the juries...
@florenna Жыл бұрын
Yeah so that Sween can always end up high, despite sending crap... 🙄 As that seems to be the only reason for juries existing...
@sk70091 Жыл бұрын
Yes god forbid the public was actually allowed to choose their own winner
@GenericNameeee 20 күн бұрын
@@florennaThem go look at how that crap is far outstreaming all of your so called masterpieces, meaning the public likes it and wants to listen to it more.
@theofficialdetectivepikach3262 Жыл бұрын
This list makes me realize that the jury is better than the televote
@eurovisionguy Жыл бұрын
Nah
@quangminhtran2916 Жыл бұрын
I mean tbf besides the fact that they always favor Sweden (and sometimes Italy), the jury, for most of the time, has saved a lot of entries from failing due to them flopping hard with the televote. Without them we wouldn't get a proper production as we're having now and the contest might still be as bad as the 2000s where the jury was omitted.
@theofficialdetectivepikach3262 Жыл бұрын
@@quangminhtran2916 For exempel Austria 2018 would have got 13th but the jury have it first ( Which is What i would have it)
@leokab4841 Жыл бұрын
@@quangminhtran2916 or sweden just makes good songs? is it really that hard to believe?
@marshmyellow Жыл бұрын
@@leokab4841 both can be true. Sweden makes good songs (which is why they place well overall), AND the jury tends to favor Sweden (which is why their jury score is often higher than their televote score). Australia and Israel seem to have a similar trend
@alexandro500 3 ай бұрын
Russia 2016 💔💔💔 ...
@hehedutch 10 ай бұрын
Countries favored by jury: Sweden Australia Azerbaijan Armenia Israel Italy UK Cyprus Estonia Lithuania Has beef with: Poland Norway Finland Ukraine Slovenia Serbia Austria Hungary Bosnia Russia Belarus
@joellindgren7855 Жыл бұрын
So the jury chooses quality and the people chooses weirdness. So a song that has the best mix of both has the greatest chance of winning. Just having one and not the other usualy isn't enough to win as Cha Cha Cha proved. Loreen had the quality but also enough weirdness to win hehe. Thats atleast what i get from this list. So the people saying that we should leave all the power in peoples hands.... Please god no! We need both.
@quangminhtran2916 Жыл бұрын
Well they did leave all the power to the public between 1998 and 2008 and look what the contest has turned out during that time lol, the jury was brought back in 2009 and the quality has improved drastically. The people always vote for the weirdest, most ridiculous entries and place them really high. Since the jury came back, the winners in 2016 and 2019 didn't win either the jury vote or the televote, they just happened to earn the most combined points and won their years. If one of the voting gone, there would've been different winners. If the contest was still televote-only, Russia and Norway would've been the winners in 2016 and 2019, respectively and if it was jury-only, Australia and North Macedonia would've been the winners. It's crazy just to think about it.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
Your comment is quite insulting, as you seem the have assumed the power to yourself alone to define what is "quality" and what is "weirdness"... Other people will disagree! Like IMO, Loreen didn't have either (unless you equate "quality" with "boring"), and Cha Cha Cha had *both,* most definitely.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@@quangminhtran2916 Actually the televote years were the golden age of Eurovision, IMO! Well, after 2002 anyway (can't say I like 2001 and 2002 winners much). I don't know why people keep repeating that myth that televote era was bad, it's been repeated so much that some have started to believe it's the truth, which happens after enough repeats, even though it isn't.
@tiny_lebowski Жыл бұрын
people also choose quality - are you saying that the televote winners of the last few years weren't quality songs? Cha Cha Cha Stefania Zitti e Buoni
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@@tiny_lebowski I'm afraid that's exactly what he's saying. :( And I don't agree at all.
@EternalShadow-nn4fn 2 ай бұрын
Italy 2018 is 💩
@gretaraffa8419 Ай бұрын
do you have a vague idea what the sogn whìas about or do you just like the sound of your voice that much??
@joseuribe9273 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t see the same outrage in 2019 when Duncan won because Keiino didn’t get many jury votes. Even bigger difference than Kaarija. Y’all just like to pick and choose who to hate on.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
No, *you* just don't get the point why people are upset now - mainly because Käärijä got the biggest televote amount ever, much more than any Keiino, and yet it still wasn't enough to win, because Sweden got an unreasonable amount jury votes, with biggest difference to 2nd placer.) Keiino got much less televotes than Finland 2023, so definitely weren't robbed "more". Plus Keiino's song actually plagiarized Finland's entry 2018, "Monsters", clearly the same chorus, so I'm not sure they deserved even that.
@florenna Жыл бұрын
Plus, it's crazy that there's always some "opinion police" like you, telling people who are upset that they must get equally upset about this or that, otherwise they have no right to be upset about something... Like seriously!!! Get a life.
@elvinam888 Жыл бұрын
@@florenna Excatly, or "outrage police" 😂 And none of those other cases people love to bring up are really comparable to this one.
@theonkelneico6995 Жыл бұрын
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH I HATED THE FACT THAT DUNCAN WON! "spirit in the sky" actually became my personal nr.1 song OVERALL (not only at ESC, but my favourite song of all the songs out there) ... but it was OK, cause he wasn't predictable - loreen was, and that just sucks and feels unfair! besides: that year sweden didn't win - we don't "pick and choose who to hate" ... we hate sweden, but we hate sweden because of the jurys! there is just a difference between "people's favourite lost to sweden cause of jurys" and "people's favourite lost to a well acceptable song you need to accept that it got more points"
@theonkelneico6995 Жыл бұрын
@@florenna not "ever" - there's still and there will be always kalush orchestra ... but that has other reasons, ngl
@agpoland3632 Жыл бұрын
Does it even matter who wins the contest? I didn't vote at all - I enjoyed the show and some of the songs were great but no way am I spending my hard-earned money on a stupid contest... Don't you think it's a waste of your money, just think about it..
@elvinam888 Жыл бұрын
Ehem, as long as there is any contest at all, of course it matters, as do all other placements. Don't think anyone would seriously ask the same about FIFA World Cup for example, "does it matter who wins?", so why about Eurovision? 🤔Odd.
@agpoland3632 Жыл бұрын
@@elvinam888 Well, hard for me to answer because I don't watch sports and I have exactly the same opinion - doesn't matter who wins, and unless someone I know is participating in a contest, it really doesn't matter to me who wins. I just enjoy watching the show they organize but I don't get too emotional, I don't care that my favorite song didn't win and I didn't waste my money on voting for random people singing..
@marsukarhu9477 Жыл бұрын
I've thought it as a fun thing to do and I usually vote for the ones I like, normally about 3-6 different entries. After this year though I decided never to vote again. I'm so bored with the juries' taste and how they force the winners. Let them chose the winners then and I'll just watch and not participate.
@agpoland3632 Жыл бұрын
@@marsukarhu9477 Exactly! What is the point of voting if it is not even up to us, the viewers, to decide who wins (otherwise Finald would have won). You can vote and still, the jury decides. Respect your money, you have no influence over who is going to be the winner, please buy something important, something nice, or donate the money, don't waste it on stupid contests. You're just making certain people rich and what for really?
@elvinam888 Жыл бұрын
@@agpoland3632 Agree that not much point in voting if it won't affect the result (hopefully this will change), but that doesn't in any way mean that who wins wouldn't matter! Those are two completely different things.
@AXED214 Ай бұрын
Israel 2024 🔛🔝
@damianboj3809 Жыл бұрын
I always have a laugh when I see people crying about "cha cha cha"... LOL 🤣 As a Pole, I remember 2016 (TOP 8 here), jury: 7, people: 222. Also TOP 5 almost the same BS as Poland 2016, and ppl cry about Finland!? "cha cha cha" has almost 1/3 of points from JURY! 😂
@alexdelaloire8739 Жыл бұрын
I raged in 2016, Poland was my favourite that year and it only got 7 from the jusry, I didn't understand their choice at all
@florenna Жыл бұрын
@Damian Boj People cry about Finland not because of the amount of jury points per se, but because it was a huge televote winner with biggest amount of televotes in history!! (Besides Ukraine last year, but not really comparable here.) And still juries blocked Finland from winning, that's the great injustice here!! So please study matters a bit before making such comments. Btw, I don't even remember Poland 2016 (though I do 2014, that one was good), so it doesn't seem to have been a very memorable entry...
@AsKami2603 22 күн бұрын
Украину по политическим причинам что в 2016, что в 2022 протащили, как мило. Тьфу, хоть в 24 году повесточка гейропейская не позволила политике протащить Украину.
@valentinablumberg4212 4 күн бұрын
ботяр, кышъ въ одноклассники😅... "ейропа" у них😆🤣🤭
@transport.online Ай бұрын
You confused Keiino and kolush orchestra
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