Even the 7k reduction of the nexus is too high for cost of total cost

They couldnt even pay me to have one.

Fully agree

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I dont have 2 hours a day to sit in a car gazing at how smart I am while I recharge my virtue signaling

I dont have 2 hours a day to sit in a car gazing at how smart I am while I recharge my virtue signaling

@@fladave99 And, ya know, sitting in a car full of EMF's is not healthy. I asked Google Ai about this and "it" said: Yes, people sitting in an electric vehicle (EV) while it's charging are in an electromagnetic field (EMF). EMFs are created by the movement of charges, which produce electric currents that can exert forces on other electric currents. These forces are called magnetic fields, and when combined with electric fields, they create EMFs. EMFs are present wherever electricity is used or produced, and EVs have complex EMFs with a wide frequency spectrum and specific wave patterns.

@@kathym6603 High-voltage bricks. Outdoors, a gasoline or diesel car, when refueling, is protected with a grid of metal below and above because of lightning strikes (the tall ugly roof with a sign that barely keeps you dry in a storm). For an EV, adding a second earthing /grounding rod to a home or apartment for charging isn't a good idea because the two earthing rods create an electrical potential between them. Grounding circuits prevent you from shock because they provide a path back to the grid's transformer, that isn't thru you and earth. An EV or solar array creates a second source of power, that must be off if a line-worker is repairing the grid. Sophisticated fault detection is possible, but, it isn't as simple as a circuit-breaker or in a typical residence service panel. It gets worse if the EV is in contact with a metal garage door, or the two earthing rods are in contact via overgrown vegetation or reinforcing metal in the concrete driveway because the neutral wire is tied to the grounding circuit at the main service panel. For decades, cities permitted the conversion of garages to living spaces, now we need them for charging, and for fire-code in the case of obtaining fire-insurance - I can think of only one functioning garage on my block.

Why are they still selling in record numbers?

@@Audioremedy0785 Because you believe the lying megacorps that's why! Everyone I know who fell for the scam went back to regular vehicles.

Like some of the ships carting them?

I dont have 2 hours a day to sit in a car gazing at how smart I am while I recharge my virtue signaling

We are the sinking ship if you haven’t noticed! We are owned by evil ppl. It’s hard to believe, but it’s 100% happening

@@fladave99you realise that this isn’t how EVs work don’t you…. Charge it overnight and you have 100%. Worse case scenario, you can add 175 miles in 15 minutes. Not sure what you are waiting 2 hours for. Maybe because you have no she’s how they work?

@@thomaswilson2917 Good luck trying to sell your COAL CAR

Because people with money don't like to bother with charging but for few religious fanatics.

You aren't cynical are you 😅

Not enough touchscreens. They just need at more, larger touchscreens- including for door release to exit the vehicle and make sure it's connected to the cloud with AI

It's a rich man's game.😊

Brilliant so funny 😂😂😂😂

I'd argue for ditching all emissions mandates, and getting back to an industry of mechanics who do tune-ups on simple engines. That ,and start making synthetic gasoline and synthetic diesel. If they don't start manufacturing synthetic asphalt (bitumen) then EVs, due to the road that they travel on, and airlines will simply lead the demand for crude oil extraction. Then they will have to find a place to dispose of the unused gas and diesel. Even plastics for a computer or phone, or the health care industry depends on crude-oil; conceivably we could shift away from coal and natural gas, but not crude oil.

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​@@user-hb2gh6wh7emost of the cost for cars is the fact they poor billions into R D and it is the single biggest cost . Take the 6.2 hemi what would cost to build with out all the pollution control and crap that has to be on them.

​@@user-hb2gh6wh7ecoal and natural gas isn't going anywhere.

​@@Dennis-ff2pf*pour.

It’s funny because you are obsessing over the environmental benefits. Watch videos of people who hate EVs driving them and how their faces light up. It’s amazing. They are better for the environment, cheaper to run and fantastic to drive.

@@Acemeistre You need to carry a smaller golf bag around.

​@@chrissmith2114or he needs to loose a bit of weight 😂😂😂😂😂

Rain, rain, wind, wind, 5mins of sun followed by cloudy skys then rain and wind. temp is topping 17-18 degress... Been like this all year. But according to the met office and eco lot may and june was the hottest on record and July is look that way too.. Funny that.... They changed how they look at the figures and how they are recorded (changed in 2016 and enforced in 2019) and suddenly we are in constant heat waves and having records broken every month/year... Yet the reality is the complete opposite...

My heating was on this morning in the South of England...in July!😮 I'm sure they'll tell us it is the warmest month on record as they have with the previous 2 (cold❄) months!! 🤡🌍

@@Acemeistre Our central heating has been coming on, even last week it came on because 14 degrees. I also sweat on gold course when I am losing.... We came back from holiday in Cornwall in June, normally the warmest place in UK and we did not see above 14 to 15 degrees...

@@jim9930 They will find a way to charge such people for it. In fact you can bank on it or otherwise it's just going to be another inducement to disconnect from the grid. All it needs is sufficient numbers of people to buy EVs before they start further shaking the piggy bank.

hilarious tinfoil hat theories about EVs. EVs in scandinavia already prove that the technology is good enough to displace fosil fuel cars for the vaste majority of drivers despite the (constantly fading) limitations, just takes a society to commit to the infrastructure requirements to make EVs not just green and safe, but also economical. And even if the power kept being produced with fosil fuels in a powerplant, it will still be more green then to distribute and burn all that fuel in millions of tiny engines on the road. But ignorant people love to pretend that the cost of the fuel infrastructure and distribution doesnt exist. To judge EVs by some developing nations approach (US/China/etc) using rotten/outdated infrastructure is just silly, those economies/people barely got anything right in the past and therefor cant be the baseline to judge a modern technology. Yes, early adopters always have some losses as the rapid development make a lot of products obsolete in just a few years, but thats obviously temporary and in many cases over too. Plenty of homeowners with solar or first world drivers who have a decent infrastructure with affordable energy already are past the time of paying off the investments with the savings. If your economy cant make an EV economical by now it just means its behind first world standards.

While there is a true market, it is small, will never be profitable and is financed by ICE cars for no purpose other than lining the pockets of greedy politicians. No one else is making money on the green scam.

​@diedampfbrasse98 First World Standards (Electricity, Water, Internet Infrastructure, pluming, roads etc all made possible because of OIL. )

@@ImLivinSD During the pandemic oil use was less and it was piling up everywhere that they were GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE cause they had no place to store it. If EV does increase, price of gas will drop which will also boost ICE cars. PLUS we make so much other products from oil gasoline would also continue pile up as other oil bases products such as fertiler plastics and 5,000 other products demand oil. Gasoline could eventualy be free and will NEVER go away

Ummm the fruitcake variety?😵‍💫😂

Apparently you keep them forever so depreciation doesn't matter according to what I've been told. Strange cos I'm going to be buying a new vehicle soon and I want every cent of trade in I can get for it.

@@oldbloke204 I complain about the high price, First they tell you that you lease the car. Then when you tell them that leasing a car adds directly to your mileage cost, making the car more expensive than driving a Ford F150, they go on that you buy them. And then you tell them about the depreciation, and they tell you that you keep the car forever yes lol.

⁠@@oldbloke204Does it matter when the battery pack craps out and you can’t keep it forever unless you spend mega $ on a new one?

@@AndrewTSq Yep. Like the argument that when you have to drive a longer distance the Ev won't take any longer as you have to stop for a toilet break and to eat each time as well as charging. Huh?

There's no replacement for displacement!

@@marcuspitts2482 Except a turbo - maybe 🤫

@@Hoojammyflip Supercharger all the way, zero turbo lag!

@@marcuspitts2482100%. Love my F Pace SVR. Instant torque, great sound.

@@Hoojammyflip Or both .

In the 🇺🇸 we just print the money we need. ( Our taxes we pay don't even pay the interest on the interest on the money we owe).

Another billion dollars last week.

Exactly this. I've never understood why they just roll over and take the abuse from governments.

Unfortunately all car companies owe their government for being bailed out in the past.

@@tonysheerness2427 But most needed to be bailed out thanks to government regulations. At least in the US.

The recent Supreme Court overturn of Chevron Deference is an open window for American manufacturers to fight back.

@@McVaio Government regulation or poor management?

Then if you want to drive it you can't use the aircon as there's no range in the battery....

They will remotely lock you in or out ☢or turn off your air or reduce your range or put a lock on your touchscreen that requires your debit card💰... Good times..

My BYD comes with a useful feature that allows me to start the air con while I am sat in the restaurant 10 mins before I get in the car...it draws abut 2kw from the battery to cool the car...hardly makes a dent in the 82 kWh battery which I charge at home from my solar panels....another dumb statement from someone who has no idea about EV's..

The problem is the laws of thermodynamics prevent internal combustion engines becoming significantly more efficient...maybe the odd 2 or 3% but it will always remain a fact that an ICE can only ever use 20% or so of the energy to move the car...the rest is waste heat. EV's use around 85 to 90% of the energy in the battery to move the car...that is why they are cheaper to run.

@@martinwalker9234 You have to factor in how the electricity is produced and the losses in transporting the electricity, then you get completely different figures on how inefficient electric cars are.And the electricity is produced in a coal-fired power plant, so the electric car is both dirtier and less efficient than an old American v8 from the 1950s.

@@klimatbluffen you either never read my comment or completely miss-understood it...

@@martinwalker9234 I think I understood what you meant, you were comparing an electric motor directly to a real motor.After my primary school I trained as a car mechanic and it was over thirty years ago and at that time they said that petrol engines were around 20-25 percent efficient and diesel engines were about ten percent more efficient. But that does not apply today and especially not diesel engines, if you look at the heavier vehicles, a Volvo FH12 draws around four liters per mile and weighs 60 tons.Same with the big ships, they have become extremely energy efficient.

@@klimatbluffen Here in Thailand my BYD Seal travels 6km on 1kWh of electricity which costs 4.4 Baht. A liter of petrol costs 40 Baht so to compare the per km costs of my EV to a petrol burner it does 54 km per liter or 154 mpg. When Toyota produces a mid size car with 308 BHP that does 154 mpg I might be tempted to buy one...if I could also buy a piece of equipment for less than $10 000 US that produced a few liters of petrol per day just by putting it on my roof and letting the sun shine on it I would definitely buy one....unfortunately this economy and free fuel supply is currently only available by owning an EV.

Lithium ion batteries in land fill, a disaster waiting to happen thermal runaway with methane.

@@tonysheerness2427 Not to worry. The crowd who set up the catastrophe will be the same crowd who make billions of dollars fixing THAT problem, while the government takes more of our money and liberty, because of the "crisis." Sick of people creating problems and enriching themselves off the "solutions" they ram down our throats, which cause MORE problems down the road. It's the death spiral of western civilization.

@@tonysheerness2427 Lithium ion batteries degrade with time, test have shown after 8 years they still have 80% of their original capacity. There is a move now to use these batteries as house storage for solar power systems...nobody is going to throw them in landfill....

@@tonysheerness2427you live in a shitbox country where it is legal to do such a think? Go vote! Failed state !

Just like an iPad, iPhone, etc. EVentually be thrown away.

@@davidshanahan5134 Correct, and thats how you know they dont give a rats ass about the environment

Really, mines 12 years old and fine

Makes sense, as they are overpriced by 30-45% to begin with. There’s a glimmer of hope that humanity is not as stupid as I thought

​@@grigorioschristodoulou5229 I expect another reason. The economic recession hits the people too hard and the ones without a functioning brain simply don't have enough money to buy an EV while the others with a functioning brain refuse to buy one.

@@grigorioschristodoulou5229 The stupid ones have already wasted their money and can not afford another.

Love how you've written it like there's one single dealer for the whole country😆 What do Bulgarians think of China? That could be a reason people don't want Volvo as well.

@@deanchur MOTO-PFOHE dealership network (the same which sells Ford) is the only one offering Volvo cars in Bulgaria. I don't think positive or negative opinions on China matter much in this case. EVs are unpopular in general here, in part due to the almost non-existent charging infrastructure.

Not really, this guys nuts

The people who buy Porsches just to impress their friends & look at them in their garage are okay with the EV versions. The people who buy them to enjoy a long drive on twisty mountain roads, however, are scrambling to get an ICE version while they still can. Another year or so.

One month ago was the last chance to order a Cayman and Boxer with combustion engine... I predict the used car market prices that is already insanely high on these models will skyrocket. Which is typical my luck as I plan to buy a Cayman in beginning of 2025 when I sell half my stocks ...

might hold a LARP there. Zombie car theme

I hope they have increased their insurance cover given the fire 🔥 risk they have posed in recent lithium battery fires

Depreciating every day. 🕰️

You don't seem to understand the introduction and take up of new technology...how much were flat screen tv's, iPhone, solar panels and laptop computers 20 years ago?...go back further and you will find the price of vacuum cleaners, fridges and microwaves where very expensive when they came out....mass production, advances in manufacturing techniques and competition reduces the price...EV's are no different, prices will continue to fall.....

@@martinwalker9234 Yes, for sure. What I was referring to, is the thousands of dollars current models are being discounted because many people can't afford the current prices & they are slow selling. These current discounts of the current RRPs have nothing to do with producing cheaper EV's down the track. So, therefore the curent RRPs must be a hugh rip off mark up, in the first place.

Ah, but Mexicans are rich people, people in western countries, however, cannot afford them.

The average income in Mexico City is $17K USD. The price of a BYD Dolphin for Mexico is $21K USD.

If someone produced a plug-in Hybrid with maybe a range on battery of 25 miles in the summer for under $30,000 I'd go for it. I'm retired and all I need is a grocery getter, but with confidence that I can drive a couple of hundred miles in the dead of winter when I need to make those occasional trips. No full EV can give me that confidence even if it costs $100,000.

CEO got BIG FAT BONUS for screwing their shareholders in a FRAUD SCAM because they LIED about basic features such as RANGE and CHARGING. These CEO should have their multi million bonus CLAWED BACK and LAWYERS SHOULD DO SHAREHOLDER LAWSUITS BECAUSE THEY LIED about EV features ands well as poorly designed products

Big portion of your electric prices is because of EV s

They could put electricity up 5x and it would still be cheaper than diesel.

​@@Audioremedy0785Not in the UK. Public charging is already more expensive than petrol & diesel.

@@ghunt9146 that’s not at all true. To fully charge at a supercharger (even at the most expensive time) would cost £24 to put 300 miles in your car. The equivalent in diesel would cost you around £40. But charge at home and that same charge is costing you £4.30. Good try, but maybe actually research something a little bit before you come up against someone in a comments section. Otherwise you look a bit silly 🤣

@Audioremedy0785 yes, you do, don't you. UK public charging IS more expensive.

😂😂😂😂😂😂 To funny!

They'll still find a way to make it drop oil all over your driveway

Probably replacing the diesel ones like the one that took down the airport car park in Luton. You guys used to talk about that incident all the time until you realised it wasn’t an EV.

@@Audioremedy0785 🐑

Just dont park it in an airport car park.

Nothing beats a great manual transmission.

Well yeah but there is literally nothing to shift in a EV expect from going forward, neutral and rear.

@@triage2962 Exactly, boring.

I totally agree...but I prefer a horse and cart....so much more interesting to drive...

The profit margins are typically higher on the more luxury autos...true for all products for that matter. EVs are so expensive to make it's probably impossible to actually make a profitable and economically friendly EV. Thus they all focus on luxury.

@@reekinronald6776 Ford, Volkswagen, Toyota, Chevrolet, many of the brands owned by Stellantis, and more originally made their money by building affordable economy cars. Apparently they forgot that. Plus, none of the legacy vehicle makers have turned a profit on EVs. and resale value is awful. EVs might have a chance if they took all the dumb stuff out of them and basically built a very fast golf cart with an HVAC system.

Tax payers funds were given as bribes.

@@JoeBManco Plug-in hybrid with maybe a 20 mile battery range in summer is probably the only configuration that people may buy AND be economical to make.

@@reekinronald6776 You could be right. Thankfully I am years away from needing to consider any newer vehicle.

That's bs dude

It’s not true.

And you know which self obsessed blonde ozzy will be the first.

@@MrStevecrasher eeerm nope am a brit lol

Google "EV sales charts" and select 'images', every chart shows EV sales are on the rise, just wishing something to happen doesn't work...

@@hudsonbear5038 not you, the big blonde one

CEO got BIG FAT BONUS for screwing their shareholders in a FRAUD SCAM because they LIED about basic features such as RANGE and CHARGING. These CEO should have their multi million bonus CLAWED BACK and LAWYERS SHOULD DO SHAREHOLDER LAWSUITS BECAUSE THEY LIED about EV features ands well as poorly designed products

The BYD comes with a cover for the sunroof, buy a spare wheel and put it in the boot, EV's are perfect for touring, nice to drive, comfortable and can charge overnight if you book a hotel with a charger, statistics prove an EV is less likely to catch fire than an ICE car, insurance costs are higher because EV's have higher performance and my BYD. Seal cost less than an equivalent Toyota Camry....you seem to be a bit out of date...

My first older brother has an EV - VW i3 - I know he'd just dismiss all this anti EV talk, as I know what his mind set is like so I'm saying nothing, I'm just waiting to see if Jeff does get rid of it. I'll never buy an EV.

Here in Thailand EV's are cheaper than the equivalent ICE cars...BYD, MG and Neta are selling these in the thousands, EV charging stations are cropping up everywhere, my daughters school have just installed two and a two more appeared in the shopping mall car park.....BYD have just cut the price of their entire range and there is no indication that price reductions will slow down in the near future.

@@martinwalker9234 you mean Chinese rubbish evs yeah I wonder why their cheap because they are Chinese crap, they are doing it to under cut the rest of the car makers but I'd still never buy an electric death trap, the Chinese ones are more likely to breakdown or catch on fire, oh and being Chinese they are probably filming and listening to you in that car. No thanks each to their own though, byds in the uk are still more expensive that ice, you used to be able to get brand new ice cars for less than 20k byd second hand still over 25k so not that cheap at all

​@@martinwalker9234you mean cheap Chinese crap yeah there is a reason why its cheap, even in the uk a second hand byd still cost 25k you used to get ice cars brand new for less than 20k, I would even buy a main brand ev deathtrap where everything is electric and easy to have faults then repairing cost are loads more, the have been lowering prices to undercut all the main car dealers prices that is all, buy if you buy a byd id make sure you got your will in order as you probably won't be long for this world

Here in Thailand my BYD. seal cost $6000 US less than an equivalent Toyota Camry....it is nicer to drive, better performance, and fuel costs are a fraction of the petrol Camry....I have never bought a car based on its depreciation, I buy a car a want to own and drive....if we all thought like you the world would be full of Toyota Corollas...one of the most boring cars on the road, but they do hold their value.

@@martinwalker9234 Imagine being wealthy "I have never bought a car based on its depreciation" and having all the choice in the world "I buy a car I want to own and drive" and you CHOOSE a cheap Chinese EV. There's wood-ducks then there's this.

@@martinwalker9234 Depreciation is a large part of the running costs of a car, especially an EV with zero resale value but the EVangelists forget to include it in the 'true cost' of an EV

@@chrissmith2114 I guess you drive a 5 year old Toyota Corolla then.....

why did you buy such a modern car.?...you could have bought an Austin Allegro or Morris Marina...they were such great cars to drive

@@martinwalker9234 I'm risk avert driver who is willing to sacrifice driving enjoyment to save money and time at the mechanic workshop.

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You aren't wrong. My green zealot neighbour (who is dreaming of his first EV) told me he had a Covid shot two weeks ago. I had no idea they were still a thing.

Just traded my G63 AMG , the bubble has burst mate, prices going down fast.

@@wentworthlongfellow1347 that's not an AMG it's a pooofta's car...

@@alwaysright3718 And yours?

How was that ever legal?

@@partymanau Didn't you know that anything the government does is legal? ;)

That is the same everywhere. This is just being forced by WEF/government mandate. People need to stop calling car manufacturer's "stupid" for being forced by governments to churn out rubbish nobody wants. I visited one of the Italian superbrands just before covid, and the execs I spoke to made it very clear that the government was holding a gun to their heads when it came to going electric.

Yup, that's me

I am just as you described...had my BYD Seal 5 months and it is the best car I have owned...charge it for free everyday with surplus power from my solar panels...

Did you get neighbours trying to hit you up for electricity or wanting to store food in your fridge? That would be my biggest concern with having a generator; turning into that scene in War of the Worlds where the family drive in a crowd in a car and the crowd turns on them.

This is why I have a natural gas Generac for my home.

Don't forget the price of your petrol is dependent on the middle east supplying the world with oil...you probably don't remember the oil crisis in the 70's with sky rocketing prices and people queuing for petrol...of course that will never happen again now the middle east is such a peaceful region...

Mines 12 years old and fine

@@dizzydella1 Still got 100% battery power then ? No trouble getting full battery range on frosty mornings ? Piece of cake charging everywhere taking only 5 minutes ? Give you a $1 for it as that is all it is worth ?

how old are you?

And unsold EQE and EQS.

Which energy company was it?

Poll should have asked if they would even allow a visiting friend to park an EV on their driveway. I would rather lose a friend than allow that!

Do you mean $0.34/kWh?

In Thailand 1kWh costs 4.4 baht and my BYD travels 6km per kWh. A liter of petrol cost around 40 baht....so to compare cost per km of my EV to a petrol burner my EV does the equivalent of 54 km per liter...or 154 mpg, not bad for a 5 seat saloon with 308 BHP.....EV's are cheaper to run, it is as simple as that....but that figure is irrelevant as I charge mostly from solar panels.

Elon Musk did just that and his company, Tesla is one of the most successful companies on the planet...

There are probably still people who watch a black and white cathode ray tv, but I much prefer my wifi enabled 75" flat screen...

@@martinwalker9234 I get your point but it depends on the need. I wouldn’t drive my car around here as it would be overkill and costly.

Never feel sorry for stupid.

This happens with all new technology...remember laptops, flat screen TV's, mobile phones? compare the price of these item to 20 years ago including inflation and they have gone down considerably....EV's will go the same way...that is how it works.

The luxury brands know this full well, and only converted to electric vehicles under government order. You are blaming the wrong people.

@@daleviker5884 Because they know the government will bail them out if and when they fail AND they were being subsidized by said governments. But mostly they thought they could replicate the Tesla success at the high end of the market. VW tried the low end and produced more crap cars. We need to end these EV mandates as these vehicles do nothing to improve the climate or environment. Let the car buying market decide.