EV's, How Sh*t are they? - I've gone Back to DIESEL

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Challenge Fatty

6 күн бұрын

CLiCkbAiT ahoy!!

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@Mankdeems1
@Mankdeems1 5 күн бұрын
ive never seen someone so unhappy about driving a brand new audi xD
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 5 күн бұрын
Imagine what I'd be like driving a citreon 😂 There are some personal issues I'm having at the moment which are probably tilting the balance too!
@Mankdeems1
@Mankdeems1 4 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty I'd guess that for a lot of people, driving is more of a chore than anything else. Just try to enjoy the ride, you're still in a fantastic car!
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
I do love the car, sorry that didn't come across - I am very VERY VEEEERY lucky to have it!
@paulsimpson8990
@paulsimpson8990 4 күн бұрын
75000km in my model 3 and easily the best car I have owned so far
@johnbravo7542
@johnbravo7542 4 күн бұрын
🤔What will your fuel savings mean when you have to replace the battery at some point in the future that will cost you more than half the cost of the entire car when you bought it.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
Most EV batteries are outlasting the cars they're in, apart from the uncooled Leaf batteries, which can be easily opened and repaired by 3rd parties. Renault had to cancel a couple of project they set up for re-using batteries IF they degraded badly because...... so few were handed back. Also if the engine in a current ICE car dies, it can write off a car too as the dealership will want to replace like for like brand new engine direct from the OEM
@Jadder88z
@Jadder88z 4 күн бұрын
The reason I don't have an EV is because it don't do pops, bangs, bwap bwap, braappppp like my BMW M4.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
Each to there own - enjoy what you enjoy!
@em5759
@em5759 5 күн бұрын
What this all was about... You are having some serious chrisis or what.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 5 күн бұрын
Steady on! I'm a bit down at the moment, but crisis is a stretch
@CrIMeFiBeR
@CrIMeFiBeR 4 күн бұрын
I had a kia EV, in terms of space and power more than i ever need, but i do long stints(120 km one way or more) but the tax benefits are decreasing and as a companycar i had costs of 300 euro a month (12%tax) but if i remain using the same car in 1,5 years that will be 500 euro a month. Looking at a diesel or PHEV for the next car, cause ice is 23% tax and EV is gonna be 22% tax.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
That sucks!
@DonLee1980
@DonLee1980 3 күн бұрын
lol, all the people who are saying that it's cheaper to run a petrol/diesel car... maybe you're from the US of A. but fuel costs a lot in much of the world, as well as service and repairs, and of course we haven't spoken about environmental costs. Those who don't drive much, I get it, going electric doesn't make much difference, and it does cost a lot both to buy and environmentally up front. If you were to just say, I want a car that goes from A to B without much hastle and i don't care that I'm putting diesel fumes into the air, then live up to it. You can also say that electric cars will have higher depreciation rates because battery prices are going down. But I find it so funny is the ignorant people who can only come up with the reason of "it costs a lot to replace the battery" when battery replacements for electric cars are probably even more rare than ICE engine replacements and transmission replacements, which aren't exactly cheap either.
@colliswilliams8992
@colliswilliams8992 4 күн бұрын
I'd love to get a scrapped tesla, remove the battery, and figure out how to install a diesel motor to produce electricity for the electric motors. A diesel electric Tesla would be awesome!
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
But why? 😋 Why have the massive energy loses and NVH issues of a diesel attached to an electric drive train? With all the work you'd have to do on find places to put the fuel tank, exhaust, as well as the power generation, buffer battery and inverters and time spent on calibration you might aswell juat buy a Passat!
@colliswilliams8992
@colliswilliams8992 3 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty I had to think about it for a minute. These are the best reasons I could come up with: 1)It would sound amazing 2)I'm a West Virginian 3)I could roll coal on rednecks with big diesel pickups Do you really have to use inverters if you generate AC directly?
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 3 күн бұрын
I mean, OK, those are reasons. Yes the inverters control the power going to the electric motor.
@DestoRest
@DestoRest 4 күн бұрын
Gone back to oil, oil changes, timing chains, transmission, transmission oil, o2, o2 sensors, fuel injectors, pistons, piston rods, valves, valve springs, gaskets, head gaskets, gasoline/ diesel. Yea. Makes sense.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
Exactly. For a fun car, where you get enjoyment from tinkering - fine. But for the most peoples daily drivers.... its insane isn't it
@dzonikg
@dzonikg 4 күн бұрын
I have diesel(opel insignia caravan 2.0) 2016 and for 8 years and 240 000 km except oil changes and and one time chain replace nothing else .I can drive 1100 km on highway speed (130 km/h) on one tank,on slower roads like set on 80 km/h adaptive cruise i can do 1500-1600 km on one tank! I have also 2003 diesel that still runs great and i use it to tow 1.5 ton 4 person caravan ,off course it has some maintenance (rebuild turbo) but nothing mayor EV are ok for second car but when you put on paper you will never get that money back ,not even remotely . Now with taxes on Chines EVs also gone that EVs will be any cheaper
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
I think you are missing my point - yes you maybe able to go further on a tank. But I'm talking about cost per km. If it Costs you 12ct for every km you do in the Insignia, and an ev costs 6ct per km, it doesn't matter if you can do 1100 km in one go, because that 1100km will have cost 66euros more. Every oil change is what 50-70euros, every 15000 km, Timing Belt is 350euros? In 280,000km, and EV would save 16800euros in fuel, 900+350euros in oil changes and belts... so 18050 Euros saved. Thats quite a bit. I definitely take your point on towing though, there are few EVs that can tow 1+tons
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
Also - I love Insignias!!! one of my favourite distance eaters!
@AndrewTSq
@AndrewTSq 3 күн бұрын
My commute car has gone 300000km and only things chainged are oil sparkplugs oilfilter airfilter and brakes. Not sure what ice car you drove thar needed all that lol
@carl6589
@carl6589 5 күн бұрын
The reason I drive petrol is because there are no electric cars in my price category.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 5 күн бұрын
valid and reasonable reason. If I didn't have this car thrrough work I'd probably still be driving one too
@kylereese4822
@kylereese4822 5 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty Fun fact.... if the MG EV5 was a diesel it would cost over £ 17 - 000 for 112-000 miles.... How big oil owns ICE owners bank accounts.
@AlzhinSon
@AlzhinSon 5 күн бұрын
I agree with you that electric cars are more relaxed overall, less noise, less vibrations but this video kinda comes off as you presenting EVs in the most favorable light possible, and looking for solutions to their downsides while not offering the same favor to ICE cars. - ICE cars that allow you to precondition the interior before you enter them exist - You can use gloves to avoid having the pump nozzle leaving the nasty diesel smell on your hands. I think a latex glove + maybe a scented wipe after throwing the glove away should keep your hand smelling very nice. - Waking up to a fully charged electric car at home is so nice only because it prevents you from having to go to a charging station which is a bigger hassle when compared to an ICE car. - Adding to the previous point, your audi doesn't seem very economical with only 45 mpg uk, added to the relatively small fuel tank it leads to not covering that many more miles than in your previous EV, another diesel might have made you feel that benefit more. - Speaking of clunks and whizzes and bangs, when you go over something in an ICE car and you hear a scrape or something hit, you wonder if your front bumper hasn't been scratched too badly and if your exhaust hasn't been damaged. When it happens in an electric car and you happen to be driving a Hyundai ioniq 5 in Canada, it might be the start of a series of events that leads to you receiving a $60 k (canadian) quote for replacing the scratched battery and your car eventually being written off.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 5 күн бұрын
True, if I'd been given a more economic diesel things would be different. But I'd have to get a diesel to do 90-100mpg for it to match an EV cost wise and that was what I was trying to put across. Even if it had the optional 60litre tank or 80, whatever. the cost for each mile is double. The frequency of fill ups is not an issue for me, just how much it hurts my bank balance! That quote for the Ioniq 5 battery is insane considering the amount of impact testing batteries need they go through before they are homologated. It takes a heck of a lot more than the odd scrape to do anything to the meat&veg of a battery and make it 'sub-optimal' - I'd need to read more about it as it sounds sketchy.
@robinmcgowan1336
@robinmcgowan1336 4 күн бұрын
Thousands of moving parts, compared to the tens of thousands of electrical connections in the humungous battery in the EV, I'll take the ICE vehicle thanks. Go watch a few video's showing thermal runaway and it might change your mind.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
you mean the interlocked connections that put the HV system to 0volts if broken, each with 2fault releases or the handful of bolted connections internal to the pack that are torque checked by smart tooling? Nobody ever seems to be worried about the big sloshing tank of explosive liquid under their kids seats thats taken to the glowing hot engine in pipes that age and decay. I mean watch a few car fire videos and it might change your mind
@robinmcgowan1336
@robinmcgowan1336 4 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty I've seen plenty of ICE car fires all of which can be put out with water. Conversely these battery fires cannot, even a water bath cannot extinguish them. So how many diesel cars have exploded then? Not many in over a hundred years of use. Even the fire service is ill-equipped to deal with battery related fires. Just a matter of time before a family is trapped inside, when all the electrics fail so the doors won't open and the fire service cannot do anything but watch them burn.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
most regions around the world require all cars to have a mechanical door release, even the Teslas with their electric door buttons, have a mechanical release(they may not be well known, but they are there). Diesel does explode, it'd be a pretty sh*t fuel if it didn't! - I've been in a diesel fire in a car and trust me it took hold pretty quick. It may not have exploded but they go up quick Also EV fires can be put out with water and quickly using things like a Stingray. Yes, I'll admit that fire services need training and equipement updates, but they would for any new tech or change in tech.
@03056932
@03056932 4 күн бұрын
​@@challengefattylithium batteries do runaway regardless of water submersion
@robinmcgowan1336
@robinmcgowan1336 4 күн бұрын
@@challengefattyGood luck to you. If you are happy to potentially have your house burnt down or to take out a entire multi-storey car park more power to you. For the record diesel does not "explode" easily typically requiring compression and heat in order to do so. I think I'll avoid all the risks and not bother, I'm not really interested in owning a car that can accelerate out of control by itself or that isn't actually green for the planet until you driver over 100,000km.
@richardjohnson7900
@richardjohnson7900 3 күн бұрын
So the moral of the story is that...EV's are better than ICE! Love it!
@plunder1956
@plunder1956 4 күн бұрын
I'm retired now, at the time my annual mileage dropped drastically and it's still falling. I have experienced thousands of miles in my friend's Model 3 Tesla. If I could easily upgrade to an EV I would. But with my requirements it would only offer marginal benefits, with a very substantial investment. Perhaps one day, but not yet.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
Do you mind me asking what you currently drive?
@andyr8812
@andyr8812 3 күн бұрын
A petrol or diesel Tesla would be much more successful for Tesla.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 3 күн бұрын
As someone in the industry who is non teslas biggest fan, I'd respectfully disagree
@somdusazerate
@somdusazerate 5 күн бұрын
Is that you Joe?
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 5 күн бұрын
no?
@somdusazerate
@somdusazerate 5 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty You look like Joe.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 5 күн бұрын
you flatter me, he's much better looking and twice as humble
@somdusazerate
@somdusazerate 5 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty He?
@somdusazerate
@somdusazerate 4 күн бұрын
@@challengefatty Which Joe are you talking about?
@AnnatarTheMaia
@AnnatarTheMaia 5 күн бұрын
Good for you for going back to diesel, but no manual transmission? Coma.
@Matp345
@Matp345 5 күн бұрын
My 21 6 speed Kia forte got mid 40's mpg and was about $40 to fill (before Bidens prices kicked in) Absolutely no reason to buy some soulless EV trashbox. If my Kia was available in a diesel with the manual I absolutely would've went that route but the corrupt epa said we can't have them.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 5 күн бұрын
God I wish I had US fuel prices - I miss them so much! The thing is after 25+ years of sh*tbox cars with 'character' I bought myself to commute in, the peace and quiet of a soulless EV trashbox was a game changer!!
@kylereese4822
@kylereese4822 5 күн бұрын
How much does it cost to charge a Tesla? Model X feature a 100 kWh battery pack as well. Same battery size, same price - $16.47 to fully charge your Model X from 0-100%. With a 100 kWh battery on the Model S at $0.14 per kWh, plus the 15% additional energy required due to inefficiency, it will cost approximately $16.47 to fully charge your Model S from 0-100%. EPA estimated range of 405 miles
@kylereese4822
@kylereese4822 5 күн бұрын
The details of this case stem from a video by the Fully Charged Show channel on KZfaq. He shockingly informs that the first battery swap he did was when his Model S did a jaw-dropping 666,666 km (~414,250 miles), What is even more interesting is the fact that he replaced the brake discs and pads at 460,000 km (~285,800 miles)
@DestoRest
@DestoRest 4 күн бұрын
Sorry dudes. Real person here. In 5 years of my model 3, I’ve replaced….tires
@Kalire21
@Kalire21 4 күн бұрын
Give it 5-10 years and all those savings you'll need on a new battery pack they degrade slowly with every charge cycle, fuel tanks however do not shrink. We need some real long term tests if we are to figure out which is truly cheaper.
@challengefatty
@challengefatty 4 күн бұрын
Fuel tanks don't shrink, thats true, but engines become less and less efficient as the mileage racks up, so range does change. As for degredation, there are plenty of EV taxis that have been abused and rapid charged constantly and still have good range after 300+ thousand miles.
@DestoRest
@DestoRest 4 күн бұрын
@@Kalire21 you mean like someone else buying a new car? I’m at 100k miles and still fully chargeable battery. Supposedly good for 400k miles. We shall see.