I am right there with you, dude! I'm on a mission to shut this party down.

Years ago, I wrote a story about Jesus returning to every day Canada or USA. Suddenly there on a busy street, being laughed out of a clothing store, robbed of his Shekels, picked up by police and put in the police lock-up. All the good things he would know nothing about. So he took off and went back to where he came from. That was my idea of him returning. Reality: I don't believe he ever existed.

And then they whimper that they're "only having a civil conversation."

On March 12th 2023 my video comes out on my 25th anniversary of breaking up with an Evangelist. I hear you loud and clear.---DCF

I had the misfortune of being picked up by a Jehovah's Witness during a hitchhiking trip as a 16-year-old. Suffice to say the ignorance on the topic of evolution "Do you really believe we came from monkeys!?" or "You think a giant explosion created everything in the universe!?". Pity I was not my current self, I would have verbally torn her a new one, but I was just a tired teenager who wanted to get home and to bed after having missed my last bus. This is one of the many reasons I cannot stand these cultists.

This guy is a KZfaq bot. He goes around Christian videos and mocks them to get people to turn to the satanic mainstream.

@@MrCool144Bot or brain? Christians live in a curated bubble so actually it is more like this guys a pin, though in my case it wasn’t a burst, more like a slow deflation. But regardless, Christian apologists like you aren’t able to comprehend the complexity of the issues. Doesn’t mean you are not intelligent, just theologically centric full of presuppositional conclusions. It’s all subjective. Then there’s the unpleasant reality that regardless of which Christian community I join, religious folk are hypocritical, judgemental, selectively empathetic, and their love is always conditional for the most part. And unfortunately not intellectually honest. So sure, worship freely, have fun deriding the purveyors of scepticism, and know that no human knows the truth…only their version of it. This reply has probably gone over your head. Please return to your brainwashing, confirmation bias, mental gymnastics with cognitive dissonance, your subjugation of real conversation and inquiry for biblical quotes and superstitious ramblings and of course, your inability to see the narrative manipulation of canonical decisions and the complete obliteration of what might be a loving God for the characterization given the Creator by white bearded old farts claiming all kinds of nonsense like God told me to sacrifice my son atop a mountain, kill the enemies including their children and animals…man, how do you people even live with yourselves? Oh yeah, progressive revelation, scribal errors, harmonization through cultural contextualization, not asking any question…sorry, I forgot all those strategic strategies by the saints. I’m so glad I’m free finally from all your delusions or at the very least, spiritual hubris that purports you are 100% right with your beliefs and interpretations.

When I was in high school I fell in with "Young Life," which was evangelical. I was being raised Catholic, but I guess my parents figured as long as it was about God it would be all right. Of course I only went because it was practically my only chance to get out of the house and be with people my own age, to flirt and horse around, and maybe get a boyfriend. The God stuff was peripheral. We listened to the nice man talk about Jesus and forgot it.

Come to the South and you will meet them. They are everywhere

Jehovah's Witness?

@@extraterrestrial4287 nope, baptist

@@kenpyle1716 it sounds exactly what I was told as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Exactly what I was told as a Baptist too. Maybe not that were direct tools of him, but definitely used by him. It was logic and reason applied against the faith.

The Episcopalians are pretty chilled out. Or there are the Unitarian Universalists that seem to embrace all types---DCF

@@debunkingthefundamentalist Thanks. I hope I'm right about this. I'm worried that if I'm wrong, I'm going to burn in hell for eternity. That might sound ridiculous to you, but the fear is very real.

@@galacticknight55544 Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom

The Catholics and Eastern Orthodox don't seem to take things so literally to the point of controlling what you want to do, such as dancing when happy, singing or listening to music, watching movies, or studying subjects like philosophy or psychology in university and becoming a mental healthcare worker or therapist.

@@kevinjanghj The Catholics and Orthodox are even more restrictive than most Protestant churches. They aren't even allowed to use contraception, even in sex between a husband and wife.

Because fundamentalism is a cult

I'm sorry about your brother. ---DCF

Well it did teach us manners and moral virtues.

Religion...and specifically THEIR version...has become intertwined with their identity...they're synonymous. You can't break that level of delusion

....in other words - they are so much brainwashed from their doctrines - it´s a waste of time and energy to discuss with fundamentalists - for sure.

Sometimes you may find a man skilful in his trade, perfect in sagacity and in the use of arguments, but when he comes to religion he is found obstinate, so does he follow the old groove. Piety is implanted in human nature; it is deemed a sure refuge. To a growing child that which falls from his elders' lips is a lesson that abides with him all his life. Monks in their cloisters and devotees in mosques accept their creeds just as a story is handed down from him who tells it, without distinguishing between a true interpreter and a false. Al-Ma'rri Philosopher and Poet 973 - 1057 AD

This is a rant as well, you probably hate all religions because you had a past event that made you believe they’re all bad and because you believe you’re more intellectually superior than others. What is your goal? What is your purpose? These are questions you need to answer rather than complaining about religions. You having hate towards someone because they believe in God is no different than someone who hates homosexuals, be consistent

@@slade8863 _"you probably hate all religions because"_ -- Thank you for showing everyone you are so arrogant, so conceited, that you think you can read everyone else's minds. Gawd forbid you actually *_ASK A FUCKING QUESTION,_* right? You think that's a "sin" because you might actually learn something and we can't have that!!! Religion has made you arrogant and stupid.

@@slade8863 _"because you believe you’re more intellectually superior"_ -- Well, I don't believe in idiotic, childish, self-contradictory fairy tales, so....

@@slade8863 _"What is your goal? What is your purpose?"_ -- Well, I enjoy pointing out the stupidity and gullibility of religious people. I think ridicule is a good way to make them put up or shut up and since they have nothing to put up, I enjoy goading them into exposing their ignorance and stupidity in full public view. I would hope that those people who are on the fence, who are questioning their faith, or looking at these posts to see if there is anything to religious claims will read both sides and see just how narcissistic and idiotic religious people are. I really love it when people who profess that they are devotees of a "religion of love" spew hatred and vitriol toward anyone who _DARES_ question, let alone challenge their moronic fairy tales. I enjoy exposing the religious for the vicious, racist, misogynists that they truly are. _"These are questions you need to answer rather than complaining about religions."_ -- No, I don't _"need"_ to do anything. But, as it turns out, I can do both! ;-) _"You having hate towards someone because they believe in God"_ -- Doesn't compare to the hate that YOU have for someone who ISN'T gullible enough to believe in batshit crazy fantasies. _"is no different than someone who hates homosexuals, be consistent"_ -- *Unsurprisingly, you are wrong, yet again.* Homosexuality is NOT a choice. Forcing yourself to believe in idiotic, self-contradictory, childish fairy tales is. No one is forcing homosexuality down anyone else's throats (pun intended), but speaking out against you fucking assholes are out there trying to at least silence anyone who points out the inconsistency and idiocy of your superstitions, if not force everyone to comply with your anti-American, anti-democratic fascism is not only acceptable, but it's a public service. If you see oppressing someone because of their nature as exactly the same as not allowing YOU to oppress others, you are absolutely fucking delusional.

@@dienekes4364 this reply is too long, and from the looks of it full of insults, if you want someone to take you seriously, write a more meaningful response, I won’t read this

Moody would have done you in for sure--DCF

As a former fundamentalist I find your question naive and dishonest ,if you want to put holes in fundamentalism, don't, just look at the obvious black hole , criminal pastors ,lunatic preachers ,crazy members I could go on with many other evils

What would be the principles?

Easy ! The teachings of Jesus can easily be seen to contradict fundamentalist beliefs. He was frequently accused of blasphemy by the religious authorities precisely because he did not subscribe to their weird beliefs.

Correction. SCIENCE!!!!!!!

@@rstevewarmorycom even science changes with new ideas

@@kenpyle1716 No, it elaborates more accurate theory by enhancing it with new evidence. E.g., Newton still works to get you to the moon, Einstein's enhancements make less than a meter difference.

....may be you should try out some glasses for you?

@@claudiaschneider5744 I was in a few Mensa Christian groups (high IQ peeps) and there was no lack of fundies. It was kinda disappointing ngl... but there are plenty of preachers out there who are clearly quite smart/educated and hold to a very literal interpretation of the bible/all the real life implications that come along with it. So intelligence has nothing to do with it. Idk what makes someone more or less vulnerable to being fundamentalist tbh...

I'll chime in on this. Many are intelligent so to speak. And educated. But the brainwashing is more powerful. Just like some smart people think the earth is flat. John Baumgardner is an example. Geophysicist. Came with a hypothesis of runaway subduction to explain why the once one land mass that all the pairs of animal species got on the ark from, broke into pieces and drifted across the sea in 40 days but rapid tectonic plate movement. His own model produced a heat---by his words now, a heat that would have boiled the oceans. He ignores this. When questioned by others who reviewed it--other physicists--he wouldn't answer. Because the fundamentalist programming was stronger than his education as was Henry Morris--engineer by trade and with a PhD. He challenged Ken Miller at Brown U that there were no transitional fossils. Miller showed him not one slide but multiple slides of major transitional fossils. Morris answered and just continued to repeat there were no transitional fossils. He was proven wrong right there with a series of slides right in front of him and simply ignored it. So education is overrun by the brainwashing. Cheers, DCF

I'm actually a nonspecified theist but thanks. And I have nothing against regular christians although I don't believe Yeshua was divine and welcome any reasonable points for me to research (and have turned a few into videos) cheers, DCF

​@@debunkingthefundamentalistI tell people I Believe in God, not religion

Is Indiana overrun by them? Or is it home to a particularly obsessive form of fundamentalism?

@@Lennythewinner it isn't too bad here where I live. Maybe a little overly religious, but I haven't found any church state violations in my community.

Because he/she IS intelligent?

Because the god of the bible... the loving god of the bible... the all powerful, loving god of the bible chose to drown innocent babies to fix the problem only it could have created.

Only the most willfully ignorant...

As if Christian’s rely on proof to support their beliefs.

Your god drowns innocent babies.

Incorrect from the first sentence onward.. XD

Lol it is

U R BRAINWASHED ALSO, BRO.....

Mr. Hyper • 100 years ago All garbage. No fish or whale esophagus is more than 4 inches in diameter. Adam & Eve could not produce a large population, the incest would destroy them in 8 generations. DNA PROVES we came from over ten thousand apes in Africa. A worldwide flood is contradicted by the historic record of surrounding civilizations, which saw NO Flood. Also DNA proves we date back to bacteria or archea 3.8 billion years ago.

While you're correct with your 1st statement, the bible does say fish not whale. However, it doesn't matter, no fish is large enough to swallow a man and no man could live in stomach acid for 3 days. Points 2 and 3 are total nonsense but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt PROVIDED you can provide actual scientific evidence to back you up. Evidence from REAL SCIENCE and SCIENTISTS NOT christian pseudo science, AND most certainly not some apologists claim about what science supposedly says (they are notorious for misrepresenting science and scientists and distorting what they say/teach). REAL science. I can save you the time, there is none. And the stories are utter nonsense that anyone old enough to reject santa claus and the easter bunny should have already seen through. The Bible can't even make up it's mind when Noah, family and animals boarded the ark. Did they board 7 days before the flood began? Gen 7:1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. Gen 7:2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, Gen 7:3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. Gen 7:4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made." Gen 7:5 And Noah did all that the LORD commanded him. Gen 7:6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. Gen 7:7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. Gen 7:8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, Gen 7:9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. Gen 7:10 AND AFTER THE SEVEN DAYS the floodwaters came on the earth. Or the very day it began? Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. Gen 7:12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights. Gen 7:13 ON THAT VERY DAY Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. Gen 7:14 They had with them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. Gen 7:15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark. Gen 7:16 The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in. And that's just the beginning of the problems with the dual storyline in the Goat Herder's Fables and Tall Tales book.

@@philleprechaun6240 The bible is ALL bullshit and lies!!

@@rstevewarmorycom I agree, so why are you telling that to me? I'm not the one trying to defend its fables and myths.

Isn't that just a way of dismissing logic and reason so you don't have to answer questions about your beliefs? Couldn't any religion say that? But you wouldn't say that everybody with different conclusions about God was correct, would you? If you take the view that you shouldn't look at god claims using logic and reason, how do you protect yourself from cognitive bias?

Pgil,NO! GOD IS LOGIC,IF YOU LIVE FOR HIM HE PREPARES YOUR PATH,WELL NOT YOURS,BUT MINE..ASK ME A REAL QUESTION THAT REQUIRES TRUE LOGIC,AND I WILL ANSWER IT,BUT IF YOU DONT HAVE LOGIC,YOU STILL WONT EXCEPT THE ANSWER.YOU SEE,YOU LIVE IN THE MATERIAL DEVIL RULED WORLD,I LIVE IN THE SPIRITUAL GOD RULED WORLD.IF YOU HAD WISDOM,YOU WOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO MY COMMENT IN THE AFFIRMATIVE.JUST OUT OF RECOGNISING TRUTH.

@@ricklamb772 You are just redefining logic to mean what you believe. If you want a logical question, then here's one: How can I assess whether what you are saying about God is true? People can be wrong about God, can't they? Do you think Muslims, Mormons, Hindus, Zoroastrians etc. are wrong? If so you think people can be wrong about God. How can I tell if you are somebody who is *right* about God? Bear in mind that *your* personal experiences are not things *I* have experienced so I can't use them to work this out. You also can't use circular arguments as you said earlier.

@@ricklamb772 your god is not logic. logic is in reality which your god has absolutely no evidence in reality, or anywhere except in your illogical thoughts.

clifton,Yea,and Him sending His Son in factual reality,for me to except and you to tefuse is just a figment of my imagination,youve got a big wake up call coming!and your not goingxto like it,sorry about your luck,its been runcout since birth.But ill be singing happy days are here again,that will never fade away.

Have a proof of hell?

@@Robert-55 but but then what is the meaning of living. /Sarcasm.

@@Robert-55 Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. I truly believe most humans are good people but religion is preventing us to reach our full potential. The more science can explain the less of a need we have for god and religious concepts but it means religion has less and less control over us.

@@Robert-55 I actually think it really does. If a scientist is a religious person then he/she will struggle with science disproving god. Look at James Tour and see what he is saying and he is not alone. Like I said if you want to be a good person, you really can. Tell me. What moral actions can a religious person do that atheists can't? You do understand that the god concept is man-made. This concept is a carrot and stick to a lot of them. Be good during this life and you will be rewarded after-life. If you don't then you will end up in hell. If you have been told all your life that hell exists and it is the most horrible place then you will do anything to avoid it. Look at religious people going after LGBT+ communities. Look at white nationalists. They believe that the white race is #1. Be a good person, there is no need for a god there. Just do good as this is the only life you will ever have.

@@Robert-55 you know it? Then you've taken on the burden of proof. I'll wait for some empirical evidence to bolster your claim

"Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the belly of the fish." Jonah 2:1 Kind of negates that entire theory above--DCF

@@debunkingthefundamentalist Thanks for responding; as stated above, "Jonah's soul went to Sheol shortly after the event. Jonah reads as if he had died shortly after being taken by the sea creature." I also pointed out, shorty after he was taken, he prayed while in the belly of the whale, but he eventually died. After death his soul was in Sheol, the place of the dead. Also you quoted 2:1, but 1-2 reads this way. "Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the fish's belly. (just after being taken) And he said: "I cried out to the Lord because of my affliction, And He answered me. "Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice." (Sometime later) (Jonah 2:1-2). I pointed this out in my thread, you missed it, but the issue may be that I did not stress this enough, I know most people believed he lived in the belly for 3 days, but many scholars disagree. So, when you said, "2:1 Kind of negates that entire theory above--DCF." This is true only if you do not read the very next verse where Jonah says, "Out of the belly of Sheol I cried." So as I see it, my case still stands. I do appreciate that you did not come back at me with a hateful comment, only a correcting statement. Thank you.

I don't do hateful comments as I am hoping one day I will find evidence that would make me reconvert. (former Christian who has read the bible through and through now an unspecified theist) As far as Jonah I see the above as a pretty far stretch of interpretation. I have heard that debate before but would stand that if he died it would have said he died and we wouldn't have to interpret it. But it's a standstill and all Christians will always be allowed to comment. I do have some videos that aren't diplomatic but remember the fundamentalists were quite undiplomatic with myself for decades. But they are still allowed to present their case. Cheers, DCF

you are brainwashed by your bible fundies!

An absolute literal interpretation of the Bible and science are incompatible. The Bible contains many books that blend myth and legend but also historical accounts and facts. The book of Genesis is one fine example of a book that should absolutely be read as a metaphorical/symbolic story. It does not make it any less true in the core message that it conveys. But God has not blessed everyone with the ease to discern such nuances

Oh you can absolutely believe in a sovereign God and His Son without thinking every word of the Bible is infallible. It has proven to be not. You people who insist on it are doing God (and your future being judged self) and everyone else a disfavor.

@@phil_boucher without God there would be no science.

You mean Thor?

I'm a Libertarian so the answer would be zero. (Didn't see that coming did you)---cheers, DCF

@@debunkingthefundamentalistgood for you. I figured you as one to trust the science.

​@@HowAboutThat224It's not a belief system. Science is evidence of a higher power. Too bad you're too blind to see.

That's so sad that you believe that ...christians are very uncomfortable being challenged with the truth ...you can be who you are meant to be ..free from indoctrination and fear and false guilt .most people are good folk im sure you are also just take a few steps back and look at what you say and believe and how your life is really going

@@vls3771 you're judging God with the morality he gave you.

Nothing is more evil than a god drowning innocent babies to fix the problems only it could have created.

@@hardsayings2400 Man created god in his image to be the purveyor of the morals that humans created.

@@ronvandereerden4714 how do you know what is right and wrong?

That's what I used to believe for 20 years until I decided to check the basis of my faith. What church say to you and what science say is 2 different things. Evolution is backed up by evidence, bible is disproved by science. No A&E, no flood, no exodus. If A&E is a myth, the salvation in Jesus doctrine simply falls down.

WOW perfect demo of the problem. Religion is about powerfully deceiving the week, gullible, ignorant and the selfish. (So glad I got out and recovered).

Kinda sure you're bullshitting about the scientist's hostility toward you. Academics love to explain things. Also, they've done this experiment repeatedly. The Hafale-Keating experiment was the first, I think. But we're talking about airplanes, not sci-fi spaceships going .75c. The time dilation effect is so tiny that they need to use atomic clocks measuring minute fractions of a second to see a difference. But the difference is always there, precisely as predicted. No possible difference in the perception of "speed" would be detectable at those scales. If there even was one.

You have no concept of scale and measurement accuracy. And this is your basis to oppose science.

Science is a tool, not a belief system. You can use a hammer to build a house or to hit someone on the head, and you can’t say you don’t believe in the hammer. That would be nonsensical. Scientific method does not change, but the results can and should. Religion cannot change without creating major issues and contradictions. Scientists are fallible people. That’s why we use science to check ourselves.

Belief ≠ acceptance Faith ≠ trust. Don't misuse words. You are like a person with simple arithmetic trying to understand degree level mathematics but this is typical of extremist religion.

It’s scary to see that so many people do not think for themselves …

the irony is strong with you isn't it.

Not too bright, are you.

Why don't you expand on that? What are you inferring?

if a person is not able to proof all that crap which other people trying to sell them - they are lost in their own manipulated brainwashed little world....even so called intelligent people are not save from all that bs as we can recognize more and more. Character is missing mostly.

kinda like how you christians stand on sidewalks and insult people. kinda like how you use your fkd up beliefs to influence how you vote against civil rights. kinda like how you people go to indigenous cultures and infiltrate their way of life with your fkd up beliefs. kinda like how you people go to abortion clinics and call people murderers for a medical procedure. kinda like how you people force your bullshit on innocent children who have absolutely no concept of a god, which is child abuse. kinda like how you people want prayer in public schools that only prays to your particular god. kinda like how you flaunt your arrogance to people and threaten them with torture for eternity if they don't believe in your bullshit. kinda like how there's pretty much a church on every corner in every town in this country that don't pay taxes, but still insist on influencing the congregation to vote a particular way, which, btw, way is illegal. need i go on? your religion and your god has absolutely no place in the public square. keep your bullshit in your churches where it belongs.

STOP SHOUTING 📢

IF I WERE YOU I WOULD READ THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION FREEDOM OF SPEECH. HE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO RAIL AGAINST THE PERSONS RIGHT TO BELIEVE ...

Calling out a fool is allowed - freedom of speech.

@rboland2173 :🤣😂😁😅😇

That's correct. That is technically what it says. But a big fish would be a shark so most of us think it actually meant a whale which they wouldn't have known is a mammal--giant whale which generally would be able swallow whole vs a shark which would chew. That's even what they taught us as kids. But the story is ludicrous either way---DCF

This is like debating whether the Easter Bunny is really a rabbit or a hare. It's just a story.