This is so freaking helpful. I love that you tried other mouses (mice?) and kind of reviewed them. Also, talking about the kind of difficulty with adjusting to a bigger mouse is SO important. Took me like 3 days to adjust! Love your videos!

I'd like to see more tech reviews from you. Felt like a was watching a big tech review channel. Would be cool to see your channel grow big in future

This is the best video on this topic, the side button comparisons is the most important part that other reviewers skip.

Love the video! I used to own a Naga Molten which I enjoyed for mmo's but it was a bit too small to be really comfy for extended use. Nowadays I mostly miss the option to have the numpad AND the forward/back buttons on the side.

Excellent video. I’ve used the G600 for year now I don’t even have to think about it. The way I have my key binds is everything default, but I have that third modifier click as all the need profession skills (F keys) and have my shift+number as all the mounts since there id quite the number now. Also the middle mouse button you can flick left or right for more keys. I have my flick right set to weapon swap and left to 180 my character. The other two buttons in the middle I have set to stow and auto run and they’ve en ever got in the way. Such a good mouse though I wish they made a wireless version already. 10/10 not matter which game you play.

For what it's worth, most "normal" mice have a page up and page down built into their scroll wheel, and prior to getting something like this, it's an amazing help in GW2 to rebind your heal skill and weapon swap to those respective buttons (or if you main a single class, your 2 most frequently used abilities). I'm still one of those people that got use to using [shift + a key] combinations for most of the abilities, but utilizing the scroll wheel early on just to cover 2 button presses was a godsend when I was newer to the game.

I rock the razor naga x, my fav mouse thus far. Prior to this mouse i had the razor naga. Enjoy the weight of it and not many other manufacturers produce a mouse that heavy with the 12 additional buttons

Solid video! i use the g604 myself, its 6 buttons instead of the 12 but they are all thumbsize buttons, makes it way easier to press. I wouldn't advise getting one though since i'm on my 4th due to double clicking

I started gw2 with that setup because I was fairly new to games that need that many keybinds. However I eventually made the change of a more classical keybind scheme and use my mouse to add modifiers and perform certain actions as I found myself struggling to meet the apm requirements for some builds and wanted to generally get better at the game.

Thanks for makin this vid. Honestly I been lookin for a new mouse for a while now, but none seem to suit me just right. I currently run a Razer Mamba 2 button mouse, and while it feels almost perfect, 2 side buttons just isn't enough. That said, Having a whole keyboard on the side of the mouse to me is just overkill. If the Mamba had like 2 or 3 more buttons on the side, it would be the best for me. And I know there are a few other mice out there that sort of match those buttons, but they are usually butt ugly or uncomfy to hold. I'm probably gona just suck it up and roll with your best recommendation though and get the Steel Series. Maybe the Aerox 9 or 5. Again great vid, you're quickly becoming one of my top GW content creators to watch.

VERY helpful, me and the other half have been burning thru mice to find a good one. I haven't had much luck with the past couple Corsair items and absolutely am not fond of the software site at all. I like the fact you actually show the mouse being used and how you hand works on the device. And finally, where are all the BIG hand mouses! Keep up the good work and yep to the keyboard video!

Action camera and a mice with buttons changed the enjoyment immensely for me. I have the Naga pro, but I've also gone through three of them. I've had a couple times a year where I have to outright uninstall all the razor software and reinstall it for it to start working again to detect wirelessly, and I have to use the USB dongle because I've had instances with performance issues on the Bluetooth through two separate machines and multiple mice. I still think it's the best wireless multi buttoned mouse that I've used so far playing guild wars 2, and when it is working it works pretty seamlessly.

Currently using Corsair's Darkstar with revamped iCue, myself. Coming from G502, it's not quite as ergonomic, but feels and plays excellent. That said, anything with hypershift functionality is good for Guild Wars 2, imo, even if it's not an MMO-mouse.

I 100% agree with everything you said!! I still have my original Scimitar which I used for Aion, Guild Wars 1 & briefly for GW2. I did try the new wireless Scimitar but jeez that thing is a brick! Switched to the Aerox 9 for GW2 & now Helldivers 2 & I couldn’t be happier!!

Great review!

By far, I think this is the best comparison video for mmo mouse! While I would love to try one (and have been looking for it a long time now), I started using an ergonomic vertical mouse couple years ago, and can no longer go back. The standard mouse hurts my wrist after some time. :( I hope these companies will look into making gaming vertical mouse in the future.

I'm a pretty big fan of Red dragon. I've owned several of their products over the last 3 years, and never had an issue with build quality. Everything that I bought still works, I just upgraded to get the extra buttons. I use a lap desk for my setup, so my mouse gets yote quite a lot, and still running strong.

The G600 is amazing, but probably has the steepest learning curve to use all the shift key combinations correctly. With practice, I can do everything from hotkeying the interface to mounting specific mounts without clicking any on screen buttons or moving either hand. Also, I got it to sometimes play with an infant in one arm and I can do all but the hardest content with one hand now.

I personally use a G600 and I don't know that I could use anything else. I run push to talk in voips and that is set to the ring finger button on my G600. Standard 12 button layout everywhere else. Works perfectly for me in every style of game I play and I love it.

I'm on my third g600 (over a 12year span) and they're perfect for GW2. Also, as a person with not-small hands, I LOOOOVE the shape/size.

I also had many issues with the Corsair software. Having to unplug and replay the mouse for the software to recognize the mouse for profile switching between games. The profiles sometimes swapped on their own. Among other tedious issues. It was still a decent mouse to use though. Hardware was great software was a nightmare.

I love my g600 and find that it's very comfortable to use. After thousands of hours in GW2 I have absolutely no complaints with it!

I just recent acquired the Redragon M913 and a left hand keyboard. So far am still trying to get used to the convenience of extra buttons on the mouse (I keep reaching for keys on the keyboard instead of the thumb buttons). Definitely glad I have half a keyboard instead of the laptop keyboard for game play, just need to get my right hand to kaywoperate.

Been through many MMO mice and my favourite (and still using until it breaks) is the Roccat Nyth. Customisable thumb button layout (if you ever need less than 12) and two different outside attachments for different size hands/grips. Never had any problems with the software which is about as customisable as any out there. Easy-shift is great (especially if you have a Roccat keyboard too). Only problem, they don't make the Nyth anymore. :(

I personally have used and continue to use over the pass 3-4 years the "Utech Venus MMO Mouse" it has most of the features of the other mice but it is weight adjustable and has good simple software for lighting colours and mouse sensitivity.....it has a great feel for my large hands...and adjustable DPI on the fly....I highly recommend it...and it was only $40 CAN.....It has servered me well in Guildwars 2 to this very day! Cheers, and thanks for the video great comparison...Subscrided!

Sadly the G600 was discontinued years ago which is why it is constantly on sale and no longer seen in stores. I loved the third mouse click for tab targeting.

My only problem with the G600 after having to replace my Rival 500 is the right/left click and g-shift buttons are way to easy to press. If I could go back and buy more of my old mouse at this point I would in a heart beat. also with the side buttons on the G600 i wish the rows were textured on different rows or something to make it more noticeable where each button is.

Awesome video! I just picked up a Aerox 9 for cheap and am wondering if you could share you're gw2 keybinds? Thanks!

I had a razer naga pro for years. It developed a few issues like not charging while on the dock. I had to move it around just to get it to charge. Also sometimes the side buttons would stop working in the middle of a game. I recently got the razer naga v2 hyperspeed. It is amazing not dealing with side plates that I never used and uses a battery instead to charge. The only annoyance with the hyperspeed is the scroll wheel. It feels cheap and has a lot of play in mine at least.

I only used the M908 and Scimitair pro. M908 with all the weights has that nice weight to it and ergonomics on it are really nice, it feels really good to hold it, but side buttons are small and angled. After few months you start getting unresponsiveness on those side keys. And it is getting messy after time, but you can expect that from the quality for that price. Then I spent a bit more and got scimitair pro. After 2 years its still super responsive, buttons are bigger and as you said easier to feel where your thumb is. Maybe it's just my personal preference, but for me side keys don't feel cheap, quite the contrary, since they're easier to press and have less resistance on them, your thumb doesn't get sore after hours of raiding where most of my rotation comes from the mouse keys. Software can be confusing at first, but it does allow you to store 3 profiles you set up on board and Corsair has guides on setting up software online, and in all honesty Redragon software is way worse. Razer I stay way from after having really bad experience with their keyboards so my bias is stopping me from trying it. But it's nice to see a video like that, keep it up :)

Utech smart venus has a second left button as well you can bind ctel to it and always have a ctel+input one sec a way with your left finger click.

For me an mmo mouse is essential for the 6-0 skills in GW2. I use the Naga X and I also had to put gamer grip on the sides.

Thanks for the video! Are you using the original numbers scheme on the mouse (1,2,3/4,5,6/7,8,9/10,11,12) or did you change this for somehow better adoption?

the best mmo mouse I had was a Mad Catz M.M.O.7, although it looked funny the buttons for your thumb could be moved to the optimal place, the weight could be adjusted and every button was programable. Unfortunately some of the buttons stopped working, their support was non-existent and it is no longer made. I now use a aorus thunder m7

Although I bought the Corsair, it lives in a drawer and never gets used. I use the M908 and I also like the "fire" button on the index button for going into shroud or dropping shades for my necro.

I use a Logitech G602 which just has six buttons on the side, but I remap the right half of my skill bar to ZXC for Utility and V for Elite. Healing for me is a middle mouse click (which is great in frantic combat) and I use my side mouse buttons for F1-5, which are the only really awkward ones at that point. I've tried the 12-button ones before, but the keys I need always get lost in the mass of buttons when things get panicked.

Just bought the UtechSmart Venus and see it's almost identical to the Redragon M908. I just wanted enough buttons to use for my different mounts and this may be overkill. It's the first "gaming" mouse I've had so I have to spend some time learning how to set it up. I hope I can get used to it.

The Azeron Gaming Keypad rules for GW2. I was an early adopter and never turned back. 3 years / 400hrs in and can not play without it. (It is also great for Warframe!)

I've been using the Roccat Nyth since 2016. It has a 3 to 12 button layout on the side that you can change to your likings (3 rows with 1, 2, 3 or 4 buttons). The problem is, that Roccat doesn't produce those anymore and there's also no replacement model afaik. Because of that, I've already changed the switch for my left mouse button two times by soldering out the old one and putting in a new one (though, the first time I did this, I used a switch from an old ball-mouse from logitech which might not be the best idea ^^).

I still use the Steelseries Rival 500, tried using a 12 side button mouse, but I just can't get used to them. Maybe it's time to try again.

The funny part is that he typed "who approved this???" to the best design in the list. Its a lot easier to dont miss click when you fast move n click, specially on really fast paced mmos, its the BEST design on the list!!!!

As a user of the EVGA X15, the layout of the buttons is the least of its problems, unfortunately. Has issues with the scroll sensor, the cord, etc. Which is too bad, because other than the G600, it's been amazing for GW2. So far I've yet to find an ideal MMO mouse for me because everything is lacking one thing or another. Aerox 9 and Razer Naga V2 Hyperspeed are a bit closer to what I seek... Aerox really needs either extra buttons like the Razer next to main button, or a third button like a G600. Razer is... well, razer. I really don't like their software. Aerox 9 for some reason also decided to put a rubber mat, like G600, on where the side buttons are, which makes their presses mushy despite them being on top of mechanical switches :(

Can you do a video going over your keybinds in detail? There are several videos on gw2 keybinds, but not one with mmo mouse.

Okay apart from all the gw2 content which I love I'm sorry but I can't get over the fact of how handsome this content creator is haha. Love the video and will check out the mouse!

I used the corsair for 2 years until the switch broke and started double clicking constantly. Corsairs software can be buggy. But wasnt a huge issue for me since most of my computer was corsair so i had it running all the time anyway. I ended up going to the razor as a replacement. It was good... but i definitely preferred abd missed the corsair mouse. Im at a point where i am in need of a new mouse again. Thank you for the video!

I'm on my 3rd Razer Naga in an 11 year span (bought my first one in the run-up to GW2's launch so I'd have time to practice with it), I've over 12k hours on the game, so 4k hours average out of each and my current one is still going strong :D I could never play GW2 without it lol, I'm too used to it xD

Bought the Naga Pro...and looking for how people use the side buttons to perform quick mount changes. So far still looking

My combo is the Logi G13 and Naga Trinity. It's a pity that Logitech decided not to make G13 anymore and I can't find a good replacement for that.

How do you feel about keeping the Aerox 9 clean? I have concerns that grime and dust will slowly build up on the inside..

i love my G600 i wish they would update it doe would love a wireless with wireless charging ver. of it would be amazing

How does the game look on that monitor? I play on a 34" ultrawide and I've wondered if the edges of the screen get too stretched out on that super ultrawide. Up until about a week ago I was using the EVGA X15 and I really liked the feel of it and the button layout, but both the original and the replacement I got from EVGA developed problems with the scroll wheel. That was my biggest problem with searching for mice, virtually every MMO mouse I looked at had plenty of reviews talking about hardware problems (I don't even trust Logitech anymore, I've had about 4 mice get the Logitech left click issue). I also think the extra buttons have limited usefulness because I have big hands and long fingers and the side buttons always felt awkward to try and click either because of trying to stretch my thumb or because of the sideways pressure needed. Now I'm trying to get used to a Razer Basilisk V3. I still have to have dodge bound to one of the side buttons, but I got along with only two side buttons for a long time before, so I'll do it again. My real must have gadget is my Logitech G13 (sadly it's discontinued), I don't think I could play without it anymore. It has just enough keys for me to bind every command I need to it. If it ever dies I'll replace it with a Razer Tartarus. Appreciate you making videos on topics other KZfaqrs don't cover as much, keep up the good work.

Very cool video

Being an old returning GW2 player I knew 100% I was NOT going back to my Corsair Scimitar. I’ve been a wireless mouse weeb for years now & I refuse to go back to wires. So I’m definitely thinking this will be purchased tomorrow!!!

So, you’re a norn engineer. An unusual profession+race choice, Slayer.

Just got the evga x15 i love everything about it except i wish it was maybe 10% smaller but thats a problem i have with many mice as they have such a big rise in the back it stops my fingers from fully extending. Going to try a wrist support to lift my hand higher. Otherwise its very nice

This looks like it will give high advantage in pvp

I play gw2 on controller but I was curious to see the variety of mmo mice. 👀 I already know my hand would get sore within an hour of using one

hello everyone, I just bought the razer naga x, superb mouse. unfortunately the side buttons are not supported on the playstation 5... Is the aerox 9 fully compatible on the playstation 5, in particular on call of duty modern warfare 2. Thank you for your answers.

I was looking for an MMO mouse for quite some time and the best one is... Redragon Aatrox (M811). Its in both wired and wireless version and its surprisingly solid for a chinese cheapo mouse. I know everyone wanna have Razer, Steelseries or Logitech on a desk but I suggest to give it a try.

The Trinity is a nightmare of issues. I've been using it for 2 years and it almost always has issues with "placement" of the side panels. You have to get it into the perfect little perfect angle and if you grab it too hard it disconnects. I'm looking for a replacement now since it's giving me double clicking issues.

I learned the hard way and went with corsair kbm right when I came over to PC...icue just is what it is at this point for me. Lol

I have been using G600 since 8 , soon 9 years after first 2 years due to the exessive playing wow it got so dirty and my right click start to not working properly so i decided to wash the mouse , after gave it a good bath under hot water a bit soap i dried it and problem solved! Started working perfectly again but after 5 years later it started to have same problems with clicking so it was again i tought here comes the bath time! After i clean it went to normal again. 3 months ago it started some double clicking and clicks got softened abit altough i use it clean this time and it started to feel heavy playing wow after 2 + hours i think i need a lighter mouse And its optic is kinda got abit wierd after 9 years its still good but sometimes it sliding a very small bit. Maybe it is time to move on and buy something new :(( You ve been a good servent g600 but i must keep playing good...

I've been using the 1st gen razer Naga for years and have no idea how people manage without an mmo mouse. I run thief and have steal bound to z and stolen skill to c. Originally I did this because my keyboard function keys required holding the fn button but since then I've switched keyboards and still prefer z and c.

I can only play i action mode camera and i am using Corsair. Do you have a good keybind GW2 video for active mode camera users? Cheers

I’ve been through 3 razer nagas. I love the feel of the mouse but all 3 had double clicking issues within 2-3 years. Now i’m logitech g600 enjoyer. Logitech’s software sucks compared to the naga but i’d rather have durability. After getting used to the new shape I think I prefer it anyway. Thirdly this might just be my copies of the trinity but the side buttons on the logitech have been more responsive.

Data point: I tried and failed with a Naga. The place where my hand wanted to be meant that the ball of my thumb was NOT where it needed to be. Add that there was no easy way for my thumb to find my place on the side pad meant that I failed A LOT with this mouse with misclicked buttons and buttons clicked by mistake as I tried to adjust my hand or my thumb for movement/clicking. I'm envious of the people who could make it work but I was just spending too much time hating the work I was putting into the mouse and that meant I was not enjoying my gaming. No bueno!

I got the naga pro and i like it But i wish it where lighter and the right side is straight. So steelseries looks right But it looks larger too :/?

I'm more of a keyboard button pusher, but my keyboard is very old and getting a bit gross, what keyboard are you using?

7 years using the Razer Trynity, No Regrets!

or you can put gw2 thru steam and use a controller like i do :D. works perfect

Naga hex 6 button for me, wish they still made it. Dont like the 7 button new one

I didn't know that Bjorn Ironside played Guild Wars 2.

G600 is a no brainer, it has 40 keys because of G-Shift that doubles each key

Only issue with this mouse is the buttons are extremely small on the side

hah! jokes on you, im a clicker DH since half a decade now.

Ons day There Will be one for a lefthander😢

I'm so used to normal gaming mice with two extra buttons so when I started gw2, I had to do a lot of remapping till I felt good. And a pretty weird one at that. I don't have any key bound to auto attack except for mouse 1 cause I thought I'd be wasting a key as I only play in action camera. Then I remapped the rest of weapon skills into 1, 2, 3, 4. So it goes as mouse 1, 1, 2, 3, 4. I hate pressing fn keys with WASD so I remapped all profession skills into mouse 5, V, G, B, 5 and F1. Six profession keys are enough for me right now. I have mouse 4 as dodge and it feels really good. Primary mount is Z with all the mounts mapped to Shift + "key". I have Q has heal, E as util 1, R as util 2, C as util 3 and T as elite. Oh, I have Alt as a toggle between action camera and tab target.

My first MMO mouse was Utech Smart Venus (wired one). It was amazing. And I still have it. But then switched to a wireless mouse (Gamspeed V8 PRO). It's essentially the same mouse just wireless. My brother on the other hand, bought himself a Redragon. So I have experience with all these three. And I have to say, Redragon is not a good mouse. The quality of materials is bad, it's all glossy and slippery, buttons on the side are annoying and loud. Gamspeed V8 PRO and Utech Smart Venus, on the other hand - they won my heart. Both mice are working even after 2 years of abusing them.

Mine is MSI mouse

Do not go with Corsair, their's mouse wheel breaks in 6-12 months. I had 3 of them, and all have the same issue.

Exactly, why do they make the side panel so tough to press? A standard mechanical keyboard style would suffice. Razer introduced the Naga like a decade ago with this style of side panel. Plain stupidity.

The 12 key mouse is almost essential to playing any mmo imo. It makes using abilities SO much easier than trying to reach your fingers across the keyboard.

my solution ? just get a smaller keyboard , so u can reach all your combo keys

what about keyboard?

You skimmed over the winner. The naga x is the least awful mmo mouse on the market, fair bit ahead of the aerox, both of which are leagues ahead of the rest. Naga x has the good buttons, optical switches, lightweight (i believe slightly lighter than the aerox), quality feat, and a para like cable. MMO mice suck in general and theres a reason I only use them on tab target PVkeybaord mmos like ff14 and swtor. I use a good mouse for GW2, but if your going to use one the naga x is the least awful. That said it is a chonky shape, and slimming it down would make it an actually good mosue.

g600 all the way

im also of the opinion that you absolutely should not go with the corsair one, or any corsair hardware in general. abysmal customer support that takes ages to answer a simple question... iCue is easily the worst driver software across all these peripheral manufacturers, the quality of the scimitar rgb is also just bad for that price. they get the worn (double) click switch problem very early on and if you don't send it back in time within the warranty you'll be stuck trying to fix it yourself taking the thing apart and glueing some extra tiny layer of plastic so it can make contact properly. on the other hand i've been able to use a razer naga 2014 since... 2014 and only now is it starting to give me the worn switch problem after much intensive use, and it's not even that bad yet. i do however have my gripes with razer synapse 3, yes, version 3 specifically. i don't want to use it as it's essentially a keylogger as it monitors all your clicks and keystrokes (yes, read the fine print when you keep on clicking yes on the Terms of Use/Service...) to """optimise""" user experience. some of the others may do this too so you may just want to watch out and probably just throw the software away after saving settings on an onboard memory if it has one.

and how meny of the mice you just presentedaregone GET YOU BAN on diferit games couse of ther software ?!?!?