Rat-King good to man-things yes-yes

Praise be to the Rat King.

yep its a shortcut from on side and a: "oh you paniked and run into the room? and all you saw was this door? lmao dead" troll door from the other xD

definitely true for ds2

@@marce3893 dude didnt watch the video...

@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 I have in fact watched the whole video. it seems you're missing the (rather obvious) point: the majority of ds2 bosses are mediocre, and runbacks are usually way more challenging than the bosses. so, to reply in your same tones, I guess dude didnt play ds2...

@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 dude didnt understand the comment...

That comment actually makes sense in a way

I would expect nothing less from god's strongest dark souls 2 defender

I've still never beaten that boss as somebody who prefers to play solo. The only one I gave up on.

In the case of Elden Ring with not only bosses but also regular enemies being tougher to fight I think it's for the better.

Thry forgot that with rennala and placidusax, but yeah, i much rather have short runbacks, specially for the tough fights, some minibosses still has pretty bad runbacks though, same case with sekiro

​@@jajasking9652they didn't forget with rennala because in the lore rennala destroyed every Marika statue in the academy and for placidussax a Marika's statue near his entrance would be impossible because placidussax's arena is placed miles above farum azula so the effect of the Marika statue would disappear and placing one inside his arena would just be strange.

Why not have Radagon statues, it wouldnt impact the lore and show she still cared about him. Plus help with twist of radagon and Marika build up. ​@@Ex-memegodita

@@abaddon_9941 rennala has a radagon statue behind her, she doesn't have any Marika statue because she hated her and only a sculptor knew about radagon and Marika being the same person (and maybe some other people, but I don't remember well). Maybe you are talking about having a radagon statue that has the same effect as a marika statue, well, in that case I have two options to make all coherent: 1: Marika's statues are created with that power by the guy that builds them, so it wouldn't make sense because nobody knew about radagon and Marika's secret and having the statue of a champion with the same power of a God is the most eretic thing I could think of and we all know what the erdtree do to eretics (it wouldn't be eretic because radagon is a God, but nobody knew so no one wanted to try and create a radagon statue with the same power); 2: Marika when she is Marika has powers that radagon doesn't have and vice versa, because of the miracles created by them like the law of causality and regression, so a radagon statue couldn't have the same power as a Marika's statue.

The run to the old hero or ps3 king Allant were something else.

@@BdrRm Don't forget Valley of Defilement, that place really stretched the meaning of the word "shortcut" 💀

@@Er404ChannelNotFound you mean 3-1? I didn't die to leechmonger, but If I remember correctly there is no shortcuts.

Yeah but if you’re dying to demons souls bosses you got bigger problems

@@idontcare9661 People in 2009 didn't have 6 Souls style games under their belt

Both take pretty much the same amount of time.

Actually I just did the other path again, but pretty much flawless by rolling after the drop, not getting hit and having good stamina management and I was half a second faster than a relatively flawless run from Rosaria. So in the best case the runback from the Chapel might be a tiny bit faster, but when I took the average of 3 runs in both for this video Rosaria was faster.

😂

I beat that boss without knowing how to run or jump. I had to take a few months off from playing to center myself for that one. Now I’m like “oh, bed of chaos, you silly goose!”

@@Zapdos7471 You didn't know how to run? Did you know you can slide down ladders by pressing circle/B?

@@giannixx No, I started with kb and mouse on PC and only got a controller well after the one tutorial message you get in the starting hallway.

@@giannixx you cant slide down in ds1 lmao

@@schmietwechdeschiet4340 Yes you can (at least in the Remastered version). Just hold the roll button. It's different from DS3 where you also have to hold L3 down.

I started doing these side by side comparisons as there were a few cases in DS3 that surprised me. Oceiros has like three different paths that are within seconds of each other, Yhorm has two paths that are the same, etc

Same

@@Domo3000 3 for oceiros? the normal way, the shortcut? Ohh and the secret way in the shortcut! i love that the overall trend leans towards shorter runbacks.

Because long runbacks are annoying. Youre not exploring or fighting, youre just tearing ass thru as fast as you can to get to the boss.

They just turned souls games into boss rush simulator

@@abrahamrangel2326 Idk I would say that just because the last games has a bigger combat focus. They still have an appeal on Level design even if they nerfed the runbacks. That would sound like me saying that the older games to be walking simulators, which obviously aren't. These games are more than "X" simulator Imo. I still can understand though, the people Who aren't convinced with this diferent Focus, specially as a DS1 fan when except Some Big instances, they overall did a Great job balancing this out.

I like the stake of Marika where it's just a soft save. However, I think it should save your state. If you use 7 "estus" to get to the stake and save, then any time you reload there you should start from 8/15. And with that in mind I'd actually kind of like if you started at 10 from the "bonfire" and could get it up to max if you clear certain packs/enemies kind of like how you do in overworld in Elden Ring to disincentivize just rushing the fog gate. The point of all of this being to not trivialize all the regular enemies and traps. But so that you only have to do the run well, ONCE. Getting to the fog gate with the full stack could be a bit of a feat so you kind of have to decide if you want to keep trying the boss at 13 estus or improve your runback to get the full 15.

Redfish That is a very interesting idea but I dont think it fits what the developers had in mind when creating these games. You should try to spread that idea around enough to get it stuck in the minds of any potential indie devs who want to make a game inspired by the Souls difficulty. Would be pretty cool to see that design pop up somewhere.

Yeah I agree. People often say that DS2 is different than the other Souls games, but for me it's DS3 that's the odd one out because there you can really see the switch in design philosophy to more flashy bosses and less on the slow and methodical combat, role playing and exploration of the previous games.

Kill the Bed of Chaos in 1 attempt. No previous battle experience with this boss

I am going to assume the intention was to make them easier by skipping enemies.

@@goncalocarneiro3043 Would be usefull if the enemies werent so easy to ran past by

I think that's better.

​@@Crestfallen_WarriorIt depends, souls are about struggle, if you remove the slight punishment so you can spam fights it takes out the "struggle". You can say the fight is the struggle, but that's the game strenght, the cool boss fights and overcoming the challenge, and also they're "mostly" fun and if they're not fun for you then maybe it's not the game for you. I guess its aimed at casual gamers.

@@mariusz7238 What a "subtle" way to call others casuals. I'm very comfortable with Souls Games, thanks. I like to play them, every now and then. I'm aware that long Runbacks are a thing. If you like long and annoying Runbacks, I recommend DS2, especially the DLC. You're probably the kind of guy to ask for more if someone kicks you in the nuts.

@@Crestfallen_Warrior What's bad about being casual? Lately I also became casual, no time in life for grinding games. "You're probably the kind of guy to ask for more if someone kicks you in the nuts." Yea sometimes in souls the boss is designed badly, the path is wrong etc. But they were learning, it's not like they are gods that do everything right, there is also time and money involved. But you see I think in life everything that we want to be good at gives us a solid kicks in the nuts, but overcoming these is satisfactory. Also it fits with the series's narration.

@@mariusz7238 You see, all I said was that I like short runbacks and that I implied that I prefer them over longer ones. You went on to call me a casual and now you want to tell me that being a casual is not bad. The word casual lost it's original meaning years ago. People that don't play regularly are still casuals, but if the level of skill is low enough, even people that do play every day can be considered. So what you meant with your comment, was that you think my skill is low and that if a runback is a challenge for me, I should not play such games. Which is incredibly condescending. I don't understand where that came from. I don't understand why you felt the need to do that to me.

And even that "shortcut" is missable

It has the be intended because they deliberately made it possible. If it was unintended they would not have removed the ledge.

Straight gold rush

aw man this doin numbers...

Elden Ring was my first souls game. I thought the run back in caves and catacombs that didn't have stake of marika was bad. After playing through Ds1-Ds3 and finding the shit shows of bed of chaos that's 99% run back and 1% fight if you ever miss the firebomb timing/ die from his fire/ ivory king that is so tedious to fight I came back over leveled just to kill it in one go.

When I tried to get his tail I almost killed him, I just quit out the game to reset myself in front of the fog wall.

​@@JellyJmanNo, the problem is that he has a stupid unfair attack, when you position yourself behind him, he hits the ground multiple times with his tail, making it almost impossible to dodge properly.

@@kuremenze4861 yeah that almost killed me too lol, thankful I had like 40 vitality+FaP when I fought him

@@JellyJman you fap while killing ds bosses? zamn

I used to think that too, then I fought Kalameet...

I know that feeling. I probably can still run perfectly through all of Sen's

I think it comes from mythologizing DS1 and the fact that we haven't handily won the "get good" war yet. DS1 fans effectively won the narrative war back in the day by insisting that detractors to get good before they share their opinions. So you actually had to demonstrate skill for your opinion on the game to be taken seriously. And (surprise surprise!) your opinion of the game usually comes out favorably if you're actually up to the challenge. This isn't the case for the most cited DS2 detractors. Whether DS1 or 2 is harder is subjective, but it's a fact that DS2's design took most of the common cheese tactics DS1 players got used to into account. So now busted early game weapons (equivalent to the BKH you could say) have low durability, enemies no longer just let you run past them or backstab/circle strafe them as easily, no instant ten estus before every boss fight for low cost, no I-frames on fog walls (which is a good thing if you ask me, you're not playing the right game if you just want to skip all the content). So now players that could beat DS1 with their eyes closed, even if they effectively skip mosy of the actual gameplay and cheese the final boss, feel validated to dismiss DS2's designs as "cheap/arbitrary/spammy/difficult for the wrong reasons". Not to mention that you need to effectively path for the right equipment for your build because of its non-linearity. Something that takes time to learn and that blind players will struggle with. So we have a war on two fronts. There are those that see DS1 as high art, more than the sum of its parts, and can't really be iterated or improved on (and I'm not in total disagreement here). And then there are those that offer up inaccurate or uninformed opinions because they simply haven't mastered the skills needed to actually see the value in DS2's design. Durability, impactful hollowing, more souls/healing/resources through exploration, NG+ changes, multi-player content, power-stancing, varied encounters that will challenge certain builds and playstyles differently, deep build variety and meaningful stats, unique, melancholic narrative with themes of futility and personal fluidity. All of this goes over your head if bounce off it during your first playthrough, or play in such a way that you're actively trying to skip the game. Not to say DS2 is perfect in the slightest, but neither is DS1 and its effectively culturally illegal to critique that game focusing on all its negatives. DS2 is in a weird place among "souls fans".

You could write an entire case study on why certain games (and media in general) become far more 'infamous' than the sum of their parts actually justify. An example that comes to mind is Banjo-Kazooie Nuts & Bolts. It made a bad first impression, mocking previous games and changing up its genre in a way that fans didn't ask for. It was universally maligned for around a decade, even generally considered be the reason the franchise died -- long story short, fans are starting to come around and consider it a good game, even misunderstood and underrated. I'm also seeing more and more people saying GTA IV is actually a better game than GTA V; something I've felt for ten years, but honestly never expected. Hindsight is a strange and powerful thing.

It happens every time a major franchise has many entries with equal importance. Fallout Yakuza Resident Evil There’s always one game that gets picked as the “bad” one even if it’s the best.

especially when you think about that it would hurt the same company. fromsoft in this case.

@@timefades27 ds1 can't be improved upon? new londo, the whole ass izalith and demon area, lame as gwyn boss, no connectivity beyond undead burg, teleportation between only specific bonfires, a veeeerrryy limit supplies if endgame upgrade materials. and even the remaster especially on pc was an insult.

In the best case you will fight him before making Anor Londo dark. I will do a video about worst case runbacks later.

Should not have complications And i think there's really few bosses that has this situation ( btw, why 3 of them are ds3 dlc bosses ? ) Halflight church Gael Gravetender Arguably royal rat vanguard, if you consider the "kill 10 rats for the boss to spawn" as part of the bossfight Royal rat authority nameless king i think? ( But it would only be like 2-3 extra seconds ) Pontyff sulyvahnn ( though you can hit him before his opening attack, but is soo far that few spells, if any reaches him, and bows/crossbows does minuscule damage ) 4 kings Kalameth Nashka ( ok i forgot how the scorpion lady is called ) + All the 2 fights with your criteria that domo adresed on this video soo 11/92 bosses has this situation, being the ds3 dlc bosses and the rat bosses the most relevant, the rest is just a few seconds

That's true. It would reduce it by 6 seconds or something, but in this case the risk vs reward is way too high for me. That's the one shortcut jump that I mess up the most because it's hard to tell from above where to jump to, so I forgot to even consider it for this video.

​@@Domo3000you did well, that jump really isn't worth it unless you're speedrunning

@@Domo3000 i practiced this jump for my "get the ladle" any% and also still fail it sometimes 😂

@@Domo3000 I usually only attempt that jump to have fun and make it look like I actually know what I am doing 🤣

​​@@Domo3000also DS2 has the infamous baby jumps that would fuck up the Skip, even if your jump spot and angle is perfect You should have consider the anor londo ladder jump skip IMO, is really known among thr comunity and is how most people runs back to OaS, though if you miss it a few times, you have to deal with the silver knight

prob bonfire ascetic

Aggro reset? It resets on death. Just don't shoot from range and don't get toasted on your run to melee him. Aggro starts near the top of the stairs near it. Respawn will require a dragonslayer kill and burn ascetic at the cathedral.

That door locks after the first attempt: "Locked by some contraption"

I just save scum at the fog gate

That "shortcut" takes like 10 seconds longer. I covered that in my latest video

From the Lothric Castle bonfire it is not much longer. I think it was 55 seconds or something. It takes a bit longer, but it is safer/easier if you take the path with the drop and then the elevator up.

I'll make a video about worst case runbacks soon. The statue on the way to Gwyndolin disappears either by making Anor Londo dark or by wearing a specific ring in front of the statue. So in the best case you will have the shortest runback in DS1, but in the worst case it can be the longest.

It's the safest, but you spend like 20 seconds in the tunnel alone.