TIFF vs PSD? Which is better & WHY!

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How do you save your images?
The age-old Workflow question with a million answers. Okay, maybe not a million, but everyone seems to have their own process with file saving and some are detrimental to your layered work or your workflow in general.
I will show you exactly how to save your photos so you don't mess up your layered documents as I have in the past.
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@DynamicReset 8 күн бұрын

The intro is scary man! Who has all these juicy layers, before they start saving them, and finally make a save file. 😂😱

@kenpearce8941 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks once again for a straightforward video giving a common sense approach to file saving and explanation.

@bala1000mina Жыл бұрын

Awesome as usual! Thank you so much Blake!

@Snowcatnz2 3 жыл бұрын

Another awesome video Blake. Finally, the Adobe file system is explained in simple to understand plain English. Hallelujah 🙏🙏

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Lots to think about but so simple as well.

@davevowles8093 3 жыл бұрын

Great explanation with much needed visuals. Thanks.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@ryancormack6934 Жыл бұрын

Very helpful, thanks!

@mikeeckhardt4945 3 жыл бұрын

Jpeg for web & Psd...Thx Blake for this brief but informative video. Have a god one !

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for adding to the conversation!

@collinanderson3432 3 жыл бұрын

Great explanation, thanks Blake.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Glad I could help.

@1964ilovebears 3 жыл бұрын

Very clear !!. Thanks Blake

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Sure thing!

@PBerkohPhotoVideo 3 жыл бұрын

Very useful as usual Blake. I personally use TIFF most of the time, if my file size goes higher than 4GB (which is the limit for TIFF) that is when I use PSB. I rarely ever use PSD. Keep up the great videos, I've learned to much through your channel.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Will do 😎

@CafeRacerGarage 3 жыл бұрын

Epic video brother, so helpful and easy to understand, I was only able to do the thumbs up once but here is another 2 just for good measure 👍👍 Can’t wait for the next video

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome 😎 thanks, man!

@yvetteyaghoubzadeh6664 2 жыл бұрын

Finally !!! I understand. Thank you

@mariobaert8346 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my proces. But I did that not knowing all the differences. Great explanation!

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure, thanks for stopping by.

@Ronin760 3 жыл бұрын

Very helpful with good recommendations. Thanks.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it helpful.

@VLRXKR 2 жыл бұрын

TY...very informative and helpful

@kenmorris2858 3 жыл бұрын

Great info Blake. Hoping Kansas warms up soon for you. Cheers from Nova Scotia.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

It was 66 today 😁😁😁

@erwindimal 2 жыл бұрын

Very informative. Thanks!

@f64Academy 2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@LivingImage 3 жыл бұрын

Nicely explained! Thanks

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@Mr31formula 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. Have been wondering how and why to save files a certain way. Will be checking out the other videos.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful! Take a look around and subscribe :)

@Mr31formula 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy Have been for quite awhile.

@edenkefale7129 Жыл бұрын

Nice T-shirt!

@f64Academy Жыл бұрын

Thanks 😁 my little sister got it for me. She's great!

@Minyx76 3 жыл бұрын

Very helpful. Thanks a lot.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@rongeffin5323 2 жыл бұрын

Great information Thanks

@f64Academy 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@juliocamacho8354 3 жыл бұрын

good stuff

@bio7021 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very helpful👍

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure,!

@christopherleecowan 3 жыл бұрын

PSD this is what I save as always. I can always go into that file export it to Tiff, jpg or PNG anything I need.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed :) but wait, there's more!

@christopherleecowan 3 жыл бұрын

I love that you put the little things out there that makes a big difference to people that or trying to make sense of it all

@justynakramer3073 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much 😊

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome 😊

@ahora3854 2 жыл бұрын

Good job bro

@f64Academy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much 😁

@henri.witteveen 3 жыл бұрын

In your diagram you indicate a maximum bit depth of 8 bit for jpg file. I assume you mean per channel so a maximum of 24 bits combined just as png. A gif has a maximum of 8 bit.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah 8 bits per channel, but that confuses a lot more people than saying 8 bit. 8 bit rgb vs 16bit rgb...

@chriswale5462 2 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy PNG is also 8 bit per color channel.

@DynamicReset 8 күн бұрын

What’s your take on PNG vs WEBP? (I already excluded GIF, because of its very niche usage)

@toddhildebrand 10 ай бұрын

Hey Blake, if have an image saved as a PDF but want it now to be a PSD, I couldn't just go into Photoshop and do that correct? I would have to open it as RAW then save as a PSD yes? Thanx, great video!

@terrymuller8515 3 жыл бұрын

Good explanation Blake. One more thing, with having a Canon camera and uploading .cr2 raw files, my question is the possible dropping of this format. Is .dns file format a safer alternative and can it be converted in camera, prior to uploading or converted after uploading? Or should I just forget it, I have over "10,000" image's and hate to think I could loose them because of a manufacturing change.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

I use the camera manufacturers raw file. No need to reinvent the wheel 😁

@IanWilkinson 3 жыл бұрын

I know this is off topic but have you considered making a video about computer requirements for working with Lightroom Classic and Photoshop 2021? I'm looking to upgrade my 3-year old Windows PC, which seems to be getting slower and slower (typically taking over a minute to transfer an A7R III file from Lr for editing in Ps), and need some advice on minimum hardware requirements.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

For large files, man, its hard. I built a machine that could last me until 2028, easily, but Photoshop also can't exceed its own limitations either. I would say at a minimum, a 6 Gig graphics card as PS is getting more and more graphicly intense with every release. For the Ram, I'd say at least 32 gigs of ram so you can allocate 80% of it to PS while you are working. Nothing less than an i7 processor for speed as well. I built a beast and while it can handle a million processes at once, Photoshop is still often very slow with heavy layered documents on a7r III files.

@IanWilkinson 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy I didn't really expect a reply, so thanks very much, Blake. I already have an i7 and 32 GB of RAM but graphics cards are very hard to come by here in the UK at the moment, so I'm biding my time. Cheers.

@richard5005 3 жыл бұрын

Great video and good explanation. Question: I want to sell my images on a website.via Lightroom. What file type do I send/save my images as? Thanks much, Richard

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

It would depend on what the printer that is printing the images would want. Most of those websites will tell you what and how to upload.

@iaincphotography6051 3 жыл бұрын

If you're working with adobe colour, in your camera and when processing in Raw does using PSD keep the adobe colour flow better rather than putting it in a TIFF file?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Yes it should if you tell it to in the workflow settings from ACR

@leonflack5673 3 жыл бұрын

You mentioned something about PSD codecs for PSD files; I have a Win 10 PC but can't see any previews of PSD files, jpeg and raw files preview OK - is there something that I need to download / install to get PSD previews / thumbnails & where would I get it from ?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, google psd codec

@STACYBURK 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Blake, what about DNG? When I export to another application from Photolab 5, it asks me if I want to use TIFF or DNG. I want to continue editing for example in Photoshop or Exposure 7. Which should I use... the TIFF export or the DNG export? Thanks

@f64Academy 2 жыл бұрын

Use DNG, it's the equivalent of a raw file.

@STACYBURK 2 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy Thank you 😊

@elconejoperez1 2 жыл бұрын

Great Video! What about saving your TIFF image as a LZW image compression. I had to use this for printing banner size images to help with the process, what do you think?

@Cranes10000 Жыл бұрын

As a printer, I advise my clients to save as a TIFF with LZW compression. LZW stands for Lipple, Ziff and White the engineers who compiled this lossless compression scheme. It’s lossless. It compresses the file. LZW created this scheme. And for prints, please flatten your files. Otherwise all of your layers are there if you want or need them.

@elconejoperez1 Жыл бұрын

@@Cranes10000 thank you!

@theonlyitaliangirl 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for covering this Blake! BTW: how long did it take you to memorise all the acronyms for the video? lol. I would have gotten so tongue tied repeating them. 🤪 All kidding aside, I'm happy to finally have a better understanding of the difference between saving as a TIFF vs PSD

@f64Academy 2 жыл бұрын

Haha! I did that into like 40 times!

@timothysmallwood2367 3 жыл бұрын

As a matter of interest how big is the raw file straight out of camera?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

My Sony a7r3 raw files are usually between 40 and 50 mb.

@Martin-nu6ym 3 жыл бұрын

Before I save my PhotoShop work, I check the file size because more than once I have had the wonderful wait for file save only to be told the file is more than 2 GB (due to AR2 and AR3 uncompressed raw images). I use the Lightroom catalog for maintenance quick viewing of the PSD/PSB files including doing jpeg exports for web. I also run the jpegs through a jpeg compression utility - some of my jpegs are over 20 Meg and compression helps to get them down to around 12 Meg. What about dng file format? I save over one TB annually by converting my Sony uncompressed raw files into lossless compressed raw files. I sadly learned the hard way to never ever trust Sony's lossy compressed raw. :( I use Adobe's DNG Converter with Medium Size jpeg preview, don't embed fast load data, don't use lossy compression, preserve pixel count, and don't embed original. Only way to get in-camera lossless compressed raw files in a Sony camera is to purchase the A1 -- that would buy me a LOT of storage. :p

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

I don't use Sony uncompressed Raw and I've never really had a problem with my Raw files. I also don't convert to DNG because the space is not an issue for me with the Sony compressed files. Personal preference in that department for sure!

@kado897 3 жыл бұрын

You should use File->Export to save a JPEG or PNG not Save As. It doesn't flatten the file then so you can later save as PSD. However that can cause problems with scaling layer styles so it is wise to create a stamp visible layer first.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Save as does not flatten the file either ;)

@kado897 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy Ah ok. I thought you said it did in the video.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

It automatically flattens it within the file as it saves it but leaves the layers in your original PSD that is open.

@dkheaton 3 жыл бұрын

Good video. So dumb question here. You mention a PSD codec for windows. I did not know there was such a thing. Is there? If so where do you get it? Thanks

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

I just googled psd codec

@froman1960 3 жыл бұрын

If you've got text, you are better off with a PNG. I save my layers as TIFF because I don't like opening up Bridge or some other software to see what the PSD has.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Good to know for text, this was mainly geared toward photos. Good point.

@charlesjjones 3 жыл бұрын

when you're about print a multilayered *.PSB file do you flatten it then save as Tiff? If a PSD/PSB file is an adobe proprietary version of a tiff is there much difference?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

I don't flatten it if I'm promoting from home, never saw a major difference. Psd isn't really an Adobe proprietary Tiff it's there for to handle layered documents.

@charlesjjones 3 жыл бұрын

Do you hit CTRL+P or through a RIP?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Ctrl p and I use Adobes print management dialog.

@nimmira 3 жыл бұрын

I've always wondered about this: Does the color space has a significant contribution to the file size? I typically work in ProPhoto and save the "archival" file (in TIFF 16bit) with this color space, and then convert the whole thing to Adobe1998 with flattening the image and of course to 8bit and then save as JPG. It looks like sometimes it matters, sometimes it doesn't - though my logic tells me that it shouldn't because as i understand it, color space is just a mathematical "road map" on how to read colors and not extra data added, or is it?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

That would be a good experiment for sure. It may. I tend to stay in Adobe RGB and not sway too far in or outside of it. May want to experiment with that one and see.

@nimmira 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy Once you work with ProPhoto, you will like it. It can save you some time on enhancing colors or adding vivacity to the image. If you have an image in Adobe or sRGB just "assign" the color space to ProPhoto ... when you finish, "convert" back to Adobe. Sometimes, assigning (or as I like to call it sometimes: Shifting" the color space to ProPhoto is just about enough to have vibrant image!

@Cranes10000 Жыл бұрын

As a printer, I would advise to just use Adobe RGB IF you intend to print. Professional printers are typically viewing or editing in Adobe RGB 1998, their monitors “see” Adobe RGB 1998 (expensive monitors) and their printers, PRINT in the Adobe RGB color space. ProPhoto may add vibrance for monitor viewing but throws Prints totally out of whack.

@nimmira Жыл бұрын

@@Cranes10000 Thanks. Yes indeed, whenever I print I use Adobe 1998 (or few times gone to sRGB)

@anas.g Жыл бұрын

Why haven't you checked ZIP in image compression, that would have made the file even smaller than a PSD, for me personally now and after many tests, TIFF is my way to go when saving files from photoshop as they are a big space saver plus they have a preview, which is very helpful.

@f64Academy Жыл бұрын

Don't know, this was an old one 😉 I'll try it though

@richardbradley2641 3 жыл бұрын

I tend to use PNG if I'm sharing a file on social media as it does not matter how many times it's re-saved by others as there is no loss, unlike jpeg.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen any issues with resaves of jpegs. I tested that once and saved the same for about 15 times. Nothing significant.

@richardbradley2641 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy I think the general public using Facebook etc tends to save with high compression and small file sizes! my jpegs from Ps are always set at the highest quality and like you say I don't notice anything.

@BubbleGendut 3 жыл бұрын

PNG is a lossless format which I personally prefer for fine art prints on a professional RGB printer

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

It depends on what the print company takes. My own printing, I just go straight from the PSD so I can manage any layers individually to get the print right.

@pankajpaneru6542 3 жыл бұрын

Swear to god I was sweating bout this topic yesterday. So quick question - my work flow starts from Lr to Ps and back to Lr. When I hit Cmnd+Shift+W when I’m done working on an image in Ps, it automatically save it as tiff file and makes it ready for me to play with it in Lr. Is this tiff file layered or non layered version? Also, can Lr read PSD file?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

LR defaults to Tif, you can change it if you want, but its not a deal breaker, if it is the ZIP compression they are practically the same thing.

@pankajpaneru6542 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy cool...gonna double check to make sure it saves it as zip tiff. space = 💵. Thank you !

@simonezini5944 3 жыл бұрын

@@pankajpaneru6542 yes, lightroom can read psd files, both with layers and without, IF they were saved in compatibility mode. Unfortunately I don't know what side effects it has on the file size

@timothysmallwood2367 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy I sweated for hours trying to change the default save from to psd before I realised that you change the option in LR not in PS!

@yvesgauvreau2196 3 жыл бұрын

One can obviously use a jpeg to make a print but IMHO jpeg should be used only for the the Web, especially if you are saving it with an sRGB profile. The risk is to great especially with a print to have squashed colors, banding and probably other artifacts as well. Because the format is not lost less one should always go back to a lost less format to make edits and then create a new jpeg. My philosophy about all of this is to keep as much info as you can (layers, 16 bits or more) in your originals as every tiny bit of detail is important especially for a print. If you don't print, then jpeg is fine most of the time, except for originals of course. Thanks for the video, very well presented.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and very true. My point on printing for jpeg is that's often what many online companies use to print your work from. From my PC I usually just print from the PSD when I'm finished which is true 16 bit, but I've also tested the 16 bit print next to a flattened and converted jpeg and there was no recognizable difference.

@yvesgauvreau2196 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy I agree that most of the time using jpeg (8 bit) wont cause any "visible" problem but sometime Murphy's law will prevail and you'll ruin an $ 100 print. Because of that I don't take any chance and I always print from a 16 bit file. Just a thought, 16 bit driver are almost always an option and not the default, maybe that could explain some of the results one gets. Your right as well about printing shop, very few will offer to print on some photo rag paper from say Hahnemuehle or Canson.

@salvadorvelazquez8783 Жыл бұрын

Where is the pan on a Mac when trying to save

@f64Academy Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure. I'm a PC user.

@Skye_the_toller 3 жыл бұрын

what about DNG? for futur evolution?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Should be the same.

@tonynicolaci3244 3 жыл бұрын

Save as a jpg or export as a jpg. What is the difference please?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

same thing usually. Save as is a direct save from the settings in Photoshop, export gives you a few options. I traditionally use only Save As... habit I guess.

@tonynicolaci3244 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy cheers

@LeonKolenda 3 жыл бұрын

If you know of a print house that prints a 16bit file, I'm all ears, other wise, 99% of them convert it to an 8bit file. Do you lose the data in the conversion process? I'm not sure.

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Image Wizards wanted a 16 Bit Tiff from me when I sent an image to them for print.

@LeonKolenda 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy It would be interesting to see a same photo, same printed at 8bit and if they print at 16bit, and compare. It would also be good if the image being printed had very good dynamic range.

@LeonKolenda 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy I talked to Image Wizard, they have changed there name to Vivid-Metal-Prints, They use Epson Printers with a RIP software program, which rasterizes your image to a supposed sophisticated 8bit file. Food for thought.

@stkuj 3 жыл бұрын

What are DNG?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Generic Raw file.

@annjeffree 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Blake. You didn't mention .PDF files?

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

You don't need a PDF as a photographer. That's mainly for text documents.

@annjeffree 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy I recently put on an exhibition of 47 portrait images printed A2. My printer likes their images provided as a PDF, which was fine as they gave me the spex they require for the files. I was very nervous about the quality of the images in the beginning, as they also wanted what to me was an extraordinarily small file size, but they came up great (whew).

@f64Academy 3 жыл бұрын

Really, pdf? I've never had anyone ask me for a pdf that's interesting.

@annjeffree 3 жыл бұрын

@@f64Academy me either! But they were awesome and did a great job with the prints. And putting up with one very stressed photographer :-)