Couple little minor tips from an Electrician that has beenpulling wire for almost 40 years. #1) When you are taping wire on to pull anywhere (up a wall, in a pipe, etc...) Tape in the direction of the pull. What I mean is this: If pulling up or through a wall from an existing box, do not start in the box and tape out, start on the outside and tape back into the box or wall. That way there is 1 tape "edge" for any obstruction to catch and roll the tape off or into a bundle that can really screw up your day. Each wrap of tape overlays the prior wraps with the "edges" facing back and not forward. # 2) 99% of pulls like you are showing in this video do NOT need to be twisted. Cut the individual wires in each romex back in a staggered way leaving the grounds (or a stripped insulated wire if no ground on the old romex) long and do a TIGHT fold on each of them. Tape tight and your bundle is MUCH smaller and compact and in some cases will slide through old staples if the old romex is the cloth covered type. In 40 years of doing it this way I have never had wires pull apart in a wall fish if properly, tightly taped and not jerked HARD. Other than those two little things, this is a great tutorial for people. Most of these DYI videos concentrating on electrical work makes me cringe, the ones I have seen from you are generally spot on and only lacking in the minor details that only come from too many years of experience that make the job easier.
@fotmasta2 жыл бұрын
Those are good tips Scott. If pulling from the attic like in the vid, is it still possible if the nm is stapled? What if it’s stapled in two locations?
@craighatch32212 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your 2 cents, I love comments from people that know what they are talking about. 👍
@merlepatterson2 жыл бұрын
In cases like this, I'd also use the copper crimps and heat shrink to make better repair connections. Those clip-on terminals are quick and easy, but they only bond with a narrow area of copper and can heat up and fail under load. Wire nuts or copper barrel crimps with heat shrink is the safest method.
@DrClawandMadCat83 Жыл бұрын
Wow! You have been doing this too long!! A ++++!! 👏👏👏👏
@brianj3150 Жыл бұрын
The staggering can be a life saver in some cases. I'm a Industrial Electrician in steel mill thats close to 100 years old I pull wire about 2 times a week and one of the first things I was taught was to stagger the ties, keep it as small as possible.
@akapsycods2 жыл бұрын
Be sure to test both sockets. I pulled a 20a out of a box and received a gift from a dual circuit socket. I found that it's a good habit and to test any and all old wires to make sure there isn't any current running through them. Back feeding is a thing, test all wires.
@TheMarc522 жыл бұрын
You are providing a valuable service for people like me, who are good with their hands and are able to do a lot of things, but don't always know the best practices when it comes to electrical. Thanks for doing this.
@xr6lad2 жыл бұрын
No he is providing a stupid service for people that want to kill themselves or set their home on fire. Because amateurs playing around with something after watching a KZfaq video
@skaizun Жыл бұрын
He has the best DIY vids! Explanatory without patronizing, showing common mistakes and fixes!
@JL-hw5hu Жыл бұрын
@@skaizunTrue very informative & great instructor.
@Doug-gp2qw2 жыл бұрын
For DIYers, check both the top and bottom outlets before working on an outlet. It can be a split circuit outlet with the top and bottom on different circuits. Rare, but it happens. I wired a garage like that once. Also, take a scrap insulation cover and slide it over the wires where they enter the box.
@bfeezey2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, the first mistake in the video was him only checking live voltage on the bottom half of the outlet. Though, you could obviously see if two circuits were run to the outlet upon taking it out of the wall. Also, he replaced the original outlet with the same type, seems like extra work.
@phxgen2 жыл бұрын
First thing I thought. He could probably see the tabs intact without removing the receptacle, but that's another thing a DIYer would have to understand. DIY or pro, it's not exactly difficult to check both receptacles/every wire in the box.
@brandonstandinger66712 жыл бұрын
Yes, always check both outlets on the top and bottom of the receptical.
@jeffb98032 жыл бұрын
Yes, definitely check both top AND bottom outlets. I got a nasty shock once from a split circuit outlet. I always check both now.
@nunya31632 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I was going to say. Many homes have a split circuit, with one of the outlets going to a light switch. Especially older homes.
@edparadis15782 жыл бұрын
As I have run into this issue before, one other option is to remove the old work box and verify how the wiring was actually run, and if you can get any slack from either simply rerouting the cable, or possibly pulling a staple that might be binding it also. If not, then it does give you an idea of how much nmb sheath that you need to add onto it so that the plastic box grip isn't bearing on just the insulation of the wires by themselves. Like I said, I have run into this issue many times from homeowners doing their own electrical work... Great video!
@EyalSoha2 жыл бұрын
@@danielleclare2938 He said "old work box", though.
@edparadis15782 жыл бұрын
@@danielleclare2938, what part of "old work box" did you not understand? Apologize or piss off...
@leepaul66302 жыл бұрын
@@danielleclare2938 Removing a box nailed in place is an operation that takes only a few seconds in the careful hands of a skilled master electrician with the correct tools.
@Scrooge522 жыл бұрын
@@leepaul6630 You are correct, sir. And for an amateur such as myself, it takes about 5 minutes with a screwdriver and side cutters - and in one case, a hacksaw blade.
@yzmoto802 жыл бұрын
@@leepaul6630 Thanks my friend, you saved me the aggravation of having to post a comment directed at completely clueless “armchair electricians”.
@TheRealBanana2 жыл бұрын
Nice! I'm definitely going to use these tips from now on. Up to now I've been using the technique where you carefully deliver loud expletives, cursing the last person to work on the outlet, while making do with what little wire you have.
@bfeezey2 жыл бұрын
Loud expletives still works after thousands of years. Curse the man who worked before you, especially if it was you.
@Zancarius17 күн бұрын
@@bfeezey as a software guy, "curse the guy who came before you especially if it was you" works particularly well when maintaining something you wrote 1-2+ years prior. 🤣
@1987nightrider2 жыл бұрын
A couple of things 1 You should always snap the ears off of the outlet when using a blue Carling Box like this then the outlet will sit flushed with the box rather than bending the ears over and causing the cover not to sit right. 2 With the Carlin Box like this you can loosen the screws up pull the Box out and see if you can loosen the wire inside the wall to get more into the box. 3 You can always take a piece of yellow sheathing off of a peice of 12-2 romrx and slide it over the wires so you have some type of protection where the wires come into the Box.
@JK-hd2zb2 жыл бұрын
This was a demonstration. You missed the point here
@jsutrov Жыл бұрын
@@Verminator151029 so I'm not overthinking explain why having been 'chest fed' is not good. thanks in advance.
@Passions Жыл бұрын
All great tips, Thank you!!
@number6396 Жыл бұрын
I like suggestion number 3!
@johnwilson990628 күн бұрын
@JK-hd2zb a demonstration should show the correct way to do the job properly. Most watching these videos are looking for the right way to do things with no experience.
@kayakdan482 жыл бұрын
I bought a lifetime supply of WAGO's after discovering them. A total gamechanger. Instead of dodging electrical jobs of the past around the house...I'm actually seeking them out! Thanks for showing another use for them that I had not yet faced before. WAGOs are even way better than the push-in connectors...I trust them more to not slip/slide off when pushing the wires back into the box.
@Revy_yo2 жыл бұрын
For solid wire we use often the 2273 it is more compact then the wago „klick“ 221 and they are cheaper as well
@bfeezey2 жыл бұрын
@@Revy_yo The push-ins are nice but every time you re-work the outlet you are shorting the wires.
@amorales9613 Жыл бұрын
True
@50srefugee2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you. This was the first problem I faced the very first time I attempted an electrical repair--replacing a switch in my parent's almost [sob] half a century ago. I'd never heard of pigtails or the NEC, backwiring and Wagos were not yet dreamt of, the Internet was beyond imagining, and what should have been a 15 minute triumph was more than half an hour of cursing and sweating (literally, this switch was outdoors on the screened in porch), and fervent prayers that I had not just cost my folks an expensive service call. So my very first fix was also the first time I came face to face with a nemesis I'm very much afraid I myself have been for others: The Last Guy. I eventually succeeded, yay, but this would have been a great help.
@yamaha420c2 жыл бұрын
This reply is the kind that makes reading the replies worthwhile. 😂
@fomoco300k2 жыл бұрын
When my Grandpa, dad and uncles wired the 95-ish year old farmhouse I live in, he would hook up each device then have one of his sons pull the wire from the basement/crawlspace so there would be as little wire in each box as possible. He did this to save a few inches (which add up to feet) of copper wiring. Yes, he was cheap. Grew up in the depression. And, yes, it is a pain when I want to upgrade anything... especially since that 1959 Wire insulation crumbles when you work with it. Therefore, in some cases my only option is to pull new cable. On the bright side, I don’t mind the extra peace of mind or being able to give myself some slack. 🙂Thanks, Grandpa, for being frugal and for teaching me how for those instances I need your frugality and your attention to quality. And, thanks for teaching dad about electricity so he could teach me! Can’t wait to see you in heaven!
@mj32992 жыл бұрын
That was indeed a penny wise a pound foolish. Those few inches makes a lot of difference when a hot connection occurs and you have trim back the wire when the socket is replaced. My dad was also from the depression era and his cost savings came back to bite me many a time. But I agree with you rather replace the old stuff, then try fixing it.
@ikonix3602 жыл бұрын
If it were me I'd replace all the old wiring if the insulation indeed crumbles when messed with. That's a fire waiting to happen.
@fomoco300k2 жыл бұрын
@@ikonix360 Did you not read what I wrote? Did you miss the part about replacing the conductors? What about the part about having more peace of mind because of the new cable? (And, of course, the updated devices, grounding, etc.)
@ikonix3602 жыл бұрын
@@fomoco300k from what you wrote it looked like you only replaced cable in some cases.
@fomoco300k2 жыл бұрын
@@mj3299 Agreed. He did the best he knew how. Like so many men through the generations, he was a furniture maker/farmer/industrial mechanic doing the best he could afford with the best practices he could acquire. The same is true of my great grandpa who built this house with recycled floor joists spiked in with 20 penny nails give or take 27” on center. My best guess is he laid them all out by eye with evenish spacing based on how many he was able to obtain. They’ve held up for 4 generations, but I’d have sure done it differently (assuming I could afford to), but then I have the education experience and skill sets to do it with less deflection from dead and live loads. I’m sure he never even heard those terms. He just built things as strong and durable as he could. That’s evidenced by the barn out back he built in 1908. This is an old house, but each generation who’s lived in it has made it better in their own way. Now it’s my turn. 😁
@prun88932 жыл бұрын
From an electrician. Step 1......go with option 3. Step 2......go home. Don't forget to test ⚡BOTH ⚡outlets before starting.
@77thTrombone9 ай бұрын
From a DIYer who's done minor electric stuff in 4 houses, I agree. Any time you find a short wire in a box, it's because the previous guy took all the slack after the last staple before the box.
@Keibo245 ай бұрын
😂
@vociferon-heraldofthewinte7763 Жыл бұрын
You should always test for power in both upper and lower parts of the receptacle because both sides could be independently wired.
@davidbender179311 ай бұрын
it is called a split circut
@Dannysoutherner11 ай бұрын
I saw one of these a couple of months ago. Top run by a switch, bottom constant hot.
@Sam-ey1nn2 жыл бұрын
1 inch out of the box is often a luxury. In one of my houses every outlet in the house had a "homeowner special" done whereby the prior homeowner had snipped the ground wire as close to the back of the box as possible. Apparently he thought the ground wire was either useless or just had some vendetta against it. Was an absolute nightmare trying to get my hands in the back there to extend the grounds.
@stargazer25042 жыл бұрын
hahaha. I replaced a wall light in my house and found the ground wire was about 1/2 inch long. Did the same thing here.
@robertgaines-tulsa2 жыл бұрын
I don't know why people are so stubborn with that. They'll even deliberately reverse the polarity just to stick it to the man. It works, but you'll have a hair raising experience changing a light bulb if you aren't paying attention.
@rogerwhiting93102 жыл бұрын
Those snap type connectors would come in handy compared to wire nuts in your situation I would guess.
@LouisEmery2 жыл бұрын
I vote for vendetta.
@richardflanigan94752 жыл бұрын
Also for a ground, depending on the area’s code, can use a crimp connector to add an extension…
@huejanus55052 жыл бұрын
I was hesitant to use wagos till i watched some of your videos and read the comments, many from electricians. What a game changer, so much faster and easier, especially in tight places. I’m just a homeowner who does many renos, but likes things done properly. I don’t want issues later on. Thanks for putting these videos out.
@EverydayHomeRepairs2 жыл бұрын
For sure, I wouldn't be surprised if Wagos really catch on for at least us DIYers.
@bobmarshall37002 жыл бұрын
CALL A QUALIFIED ELECTRICIAN instead of teaching DIY clowns to do their own wiring! If the house burns down and the insurance company sees that a DIY person has been fiddling with the wiring, they can, and will, refuse to pay out an insurance claim. As a retired electrical contractor with 50 years experience I can tell you folks that it's pretty easy to spot an amateur electrical installation.
@HeWhoIsWhoHeIs2 жыл бұрын
@@bobmarshall3700 easy, cowboy. Plenty of people who DIY use wagos and don't burn their house down. You don't need to be a licensed electrician to know how to properly install an outlet. It isn't rocket science. I would challenge your work vs my work any day of the week. When I install an outlet, I care about the outlet. When you install an outlet, you care about getting the job done as quickly as possible with the cheapest materials possible. I use the commercial grade outlets and wagos. You use the bottom bin outlets and ten for cent wire nuts.
@MrMegaBadazz2 жыл бұрын
Wirenuts offer a significantly better connection surface (Read: safer) than wagos and should be used when they can. But when you can't, wagos are definitely acceptable and safe. From my experience, wagos are usually used when a wire is going to be connected and disconnected multiple times throughout its usage lifespan.
@HeWhoIsWhoHeIs2 жыл бұрын
@@MrMegaBadazz that is patently false information.
@jameswalker23992 жыл бұрын
I was an apprentice electrician 45 years ago. I was trusted to do the second fix on a council housing development. I cut a few cables too short and over compensated by pulling them through a bit too forcefully with my pliers. All good until they failed the final circuit test. I gave up sparking to become a fireman, it seemed appropriate.
@stinkinlincoln9262 жыл бұрын
For one mistake that you learned a lesson from. No one is perfect, it’s how we learn. I’m sure master electricians made stupid mistakes during their lifetime.
@wonton89832 жыл бұрын
I could have written your comment. Council estate rewires, 45 years ago. 2 days per house, some easy as home owners had moved furniture, some even lifted carpet, lino and floor boards to enable us more time to do a tidy job. All the houses were the same design flipped symmetrically for semi detached.
@MrHeat1up2 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@stevoc99302 жыл бұрын
@@wonton8983 Ah 2 day rewires are a thing of the past now sadly (at least I hope they are). Occupied rewires are a right pain, had to do quite a few when I started out on my own but I never do them these days too much hassle.
@wonton89832 жыл бұрын
@@stevoc9930 Back then it was 1 light and 1 power point in every room except the kitchen which had 2 power points, and a cooker outlet, 2 way switch for stairs and a hot water circuit and 1 outside light, that was it. Nowadays it will take longer just for the internet set up.
@stevenh65892 жыл бұрын
That is a remodel box which is easy to remove from the wall . Remove it then search the wiring path . You should have a staple within 9 to 12 inches from the box . Sometimes you can remove the staple and gain enough extra wire to get your 6 inches . If not , option 3 is the way to go …
@mrkattm2 жыл бұрын
Another option that is sometimes possible is to put a second outlet or maybe even a switch between where the run comes from and the box you are working on is, this way all you have to do is make a run between the two boxes. It sure beats running all the way back to the service panel.
@aure818v2 жыл бұрын
I'm learning this and I'd like to see what you're referring to. Hopefully you can make a video.
@preachers41352 жыл бұрын
@Michael Katt That’s brilliant! You know if it was a govt job they would demo all the walls and ceilings to replace the run all the way back to the panel.
@RichRauenzahn2 жыл бұрын
Sometimes changing it to a 2 gang box can also get you just the bit more of wire you need…
@clamboni92 жыл бұрын
@@aure818v no video needed if you can visualize what I say. You use the old wire to pull a new wire down the wall, and cut in an old work box somewhere that the old wire will reach. Fish the old wire and the new wire to the old work box. You're basically making better use of a new junction box.
@scottadkin5412 жыл бұрын
I do the old double box double plug a s well.
@VideoNOLA2 жыл бұрын
6:15 Pro tip: Begin by making sure the wires you're grafting onto are indeed the Hot, Neutral and Ground wires. Sometimes you'll find the white and black are reversed on switch legs in older homes.
@EverydayHomeRepairs2 жыл бұрын
Good point, thanks for the feedback.
@waytospergtherebro2 жыл бұрын
Which the outlet tester used in the beginning would have pointed out if it were the case.
@BuschLatteBandit2 жыл бұрын
@@waytospergtherebro last time I checked it’s pretty hard to use a plug checker on a switch.
@jonesgang2 жыл бұрын
@@BuschLatteBandit But he was not working on a switch. If you open up a switch and only see 2 or 3 wires Hot, Neutral, maybe a Ground then you already know that is a switch leg and no actual neutral is going to that switch. Good electricians would know that and a multimeter would tell you the difference when you can not use a plug tester. You do know how to use a multimeter right?
@klaasdejong91832 жыл бұрын
@@jonesgang blah blah blah
@jackdolphy89652 жыл бұрын
Terrific explanation of this scenario. In a recent rehab situation I went the long road, and cut a channel in the drywall and installed a second junction box. Then was able to get correct length out of the original box and ran correct length to the new box. For sure the long road ! 😅
@talpark87962 жыл бұрын
so, you installed elec. wiring under drywall compound and paint? 🤨
@davidrussell1137 Жыл бұрын
@@talpark8796 Perhaps you may have misunderstood. He couldn't have installed a second junction box under the drywall compound and paint, he just cut the drywall away, ( only using a narrow slit between the existing box and the location of the new junction box) to make it easier to run the new wire from the junction box over to the existing box, especially if the old wiring was stapled to the stud.
@ashleypacpaco19322 жыл бұрын
I love your videos. I just purchased a house and am doing little electrical fixes and your videos have saved me so much time and money. Thank you so very much!
@jamessotherden59092 жыл бұрын
This is nice to know, Thank you. On a side note I used my ECX#1 yesterday to install an outlet. WOW, I am impressed on how it grips those screws.
@angelastephens94892 жыл бұрын
Wonderful
@lanceperry38872 жыл бұрын
When using an “old work” box, don’t forget to snap the plaster ears off the receptacle. This allows the receptacle to properly seat into the box creating a flush surface for the cover plate.
@stargazer25042 жыл бұрын
Wait, how does that work? I always thought those ears was what held the box in the wall...
@lanceperry38872 жыл бұрын
Star Gazer, on the receptacle or outlet, there are 4 round tabs, 2 above the top screw and 2 below the bottom screw. The metal is scored so you can break them off when using an old work box. If you look closely at the blue box, the face of it does not sit flush with the wall. However, there are indentations which allow the outlet to fit against the wall but only if you snap off those 4 circular tabs.
@kirkmuffie75422 жыл бұрын
Bro put a layer of tape over the screw heads right before you seat the outlet.
@narmale2 жыл бұрын
@@kirkmuffie7542 pfft, you new to service calls?
@johnsandlinjr2 жыл бұрын
@@kirkmuffie7542 plastic box dude….I Only do that in metal boxes
@EpicBenjo2 жыл бұрын
I ran into this problem and used a Wago to add an extension. Lo and behold, this was your final option! Good to know I came up with a solution that is ok to use lol
@TrueThanny2 жыл бұрын
Option 4: The wires are so short, or had to be made short due to melting from a failed or improperly installed outlet, that you can't even do option 3. Either move the outlet box in the direction the wire is coming from, or add a junction box in that direction where you can connect as much wire as you need to feed the outlet. Much more of a pain, because you need to cut holes in the wall, and patch if you're moving rather than adding a new box.
@MarkH102 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Move the outlet towards the run ......... In this installation I think that is down. In any case take out the old work box, and define the path, then move the outlet that direction, and put a blank plate over the old work box.
@davidicousgregorian2 жыл бұрын
if adding wire from a junction box or another outlet box no patch is needed or possible because all splices have to be exposed and not tucked behind wall due to nec code read my other comments to see safe and code corrections
@TrueThanny2 жыл бұрын
@@davidicousgregorian The junction box in my example has a blank plate, making the connections accessible. It's entirely compliant with code.
@gerdberg41882 жыл бұрын
You don't need to patch just blank it off
@TrueThanny2 жыл бұрын
@@gerdberg4188 Well, I congratulate you on your ability to mount an outlet box to a stud without making a hole larger than the outlet box itself. Mere mortals such as myself have to make a larger hole, and patch it afterwards.
@bluesideup0072 жыл бұрын
Maybe a word of caution to the viewer (since they may not have a lot of experience or knowledge: when "up-grading" from a 15 amp to a 20 amp receptacle, first be sure that you have 12 ga wire ALL the way back to the breaker panel and a 20 amp circuit breaker. If not, someone may try to use a 20 amp appliance and either keep blowing the breaker, or worse, overload the wire and start a fire.
@rwhite99942 жыл бұрын
Exactly, just throwing a 20amp outlet to one receptacle, does not mean it or any in the line (including lights) are now 20amps. Life is messy, assuming it is not can be hazardous.
@crouffer2 жыл бұрын
I came here hoping to find this as a top comment. He stated it was 14 guage, and I thought, why a 20 amp outlet? Commercial grade is fine, but you're going to have blown breakers if you're running a true 20 amp appliance. If you also go upgrade the breaker, then you're likely going to have a even bigger problems (fire).
@rwhite99942 жыл бұрын
@@crouffer Exactly, maybe not fire, but what ever you are running ... saw, hair dryer, etc ... it is going to be hard on it. It is always a good idea to try and keep lights and outlets separate if possible. And give an idea of what the appliance might be getting plugged into.
@drewroy222 жыл бұрын
I would go one further and just pay for the electrician and save your house and your life
@rwhite99942 жыл бұрын
@@drewroy22 idk, yes there is a tiny risk. But I had this brother in law, who was always working on his house. He left home at 10, military at 17, trainyard before too long. Even though he made hilarious repairs and add ons, and big plans. -Hey at least he worked on his home, and that made my sister happy. Anything she wanted, he would at least try to make it happen, and all the money he could have spent in repairs... well he made sure he moved his wife and his sister into a nice home in a retirement community before he died. God help the poor people who tried renovating his old house.
@dweidemann2 жыл бұрын
Good video. One recommendation is to test that both outlets are dead, rare scenarios have left one outlet energized due to it being on a different circuit. I know that takes some serious monkeying but I’ve seen it demonstrated by an electrician so just a good safety step to check them both. 👍🏻
@jonrasmussen28152 жыл бұрын
I like to tape my Wago's closed and wrap around the outlet to cover the terminal screws. But Wago's are so nice and smaller than wire nuts. Great video.
@brucechamberlin96662 жыл бұрын
Those are nice connectors. A single 4” x 1 1/4” small box can only hold a switch or outlet plus up to three wires feeding it. ( Hot, neutral, bare ground), if you had another outlet down stream and have three more wires running out, this box would not pass, too crowded, in a box just big enough, adding these large jumpers might put it out of compliance, needing the next size box. That’s the biggest mistake DIY’s make putting in there own electric. I wired my whole house and when the city inspectors came over, he sees the first box and exclaims, “That box is two small! …. No wait, you used the large boxes, your good.” Everything was done neatly and to code or better than code. I asked if he wanted to see all the other boxes and he said, “No, you obviously know what you are doing.” He signed off and left. So many DYI”ers complain inspectors are too picky or don’t like home owners doing there own work. I found, if you know what you are doing and why, the inspectors are very nice, friendly and helpful. They just want to know the work was done right, is neat and professional in appearance. Adding a jumper block or even a single wire nut, might overload a box sized for just three wires going in, the device, and no wires going out. When doing your own work learn the capacities and install generously sized boxes. Many hardware stores will only carry one size box (usually the smallest one, and no other sizes, so go to an electoral supplier. The box you find at the hardware store will likely be too small. Doing your own work can be easy and fun and you gain a lot of satisfaction knowing it’s done right. My friend wanted me to do his electric under his permit and I asked why not just hire a professional? “Because you do a better job!”, he exclaimed. Fifty years now and original work still going strong and should be good for at least 100 years. My daddy taught me years ago and it was a most valuable and useful skill, saved me a bunch. Taught me how not to get electrocuted be staying insulated from the ground. This would prevent a shock from going through your heart, might still burn a finger, but not be electrocuted. We had an incident when an employee was working at home with his metal case electric drill. The days before double insulated electrical tools. He was outside in the dirt wearing sneakers. His barefoot son approach and he handed him the drill to hold. Even though it was off, the metal casing was live due to a worn out wire contacting it. As soon as he handed his son the drill he received a lethal shock sadly. Father was insulated with sneakers but barefoot son had a nice connection with the ground very little resistance allow many amps through the heart on way to earth. Today we have double insulated tools and GFI’s, thank God these accidents are largely a thin of the past. It only take 10 milliamperes of current to freeze your mussels. At just 15 milliamps you can let go. Over time your electrical resistance starts to beak down and the current increases until until fatal. If you ever touch an appliance and feel a slight electrical tingle. WATCH OUT! You only feel a tingle because you are not grounded well. If you grabbed a cold water faucet and touched the tingling appliance with the other hand, you have set yourself up for a lethal shock through the chest and heart. And tingle from from appliance can be lethal in the right circumstances. Relate or replace immediately.
@surferdude6422 жыл бұрын
You could also use Wago 221-2411 splice connector, although not a big deal, it would eliminate the u-turn on the pigtail. When using an old work plastic box, you can break off the receptacle mounting ears for a better fit.
@EverydayHomeRepairs2 жыл бұрын
I actually want to use those (221-2411) but they are tough to find in the states.
@surferdude6422 жыл бұрын
@@EverydayHomeRepairs Scott, you can find them online, but not through Amazon yet from what I can tell.
@mikefixac2 жыл бұрын
I never knew these existed. But certainly makes sense. Seems to me much easier and cleaner using these.
@kimstockdale6322 жыл бұрын
Ordered 221-2411 on ebay, $20 for 20
@7attech54862 жыл бұрын
I would never use a wago I've seen so many get hot and melt burn up, if you do splice use something that is gonna be tight fitting connection
@brantfoster66622 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos! NO unnecessary foul language. Very informative 👏 👌 👍
@FactsMatter2 жыл бұрын
Bizarre comment, Brant. Are you used to seeing DIY tutorial videos with foul language? You watch weird stuff, man. While we’re pointing out the absence of things that no one expects to see in these videos anyways, do you also want to thank the creator for not showing gratuitous pornography either? Hooray! (So bizarre!)
@brantfoster66622 жыл бұрын
@@FactsMatter I'm an automobile technician. You can't hardly find a tip video from other mechanics without foul language and I don't know how to do it all.
@beckirae1002 жыл бұрын
My BIL is a master electrician, and showed me why the wagos are dangerous. That little piece you flip down onto the wire, can also easily flip up as your folding the wires to the back of the box. Then obviously the wire can just slip out.
@OneIotaOfaDifference2 жыл бұрын
He didn't include this with the wago connectors, but once you have the wago installed, tightly wrap electrical tape completely around the wago - don't need much - just enough to wrap around the wago and back onto itself. This will securely keep the wago from ever flipping open and disconnecting from the wires.
@ncooty2 жыл бұрын
On an old-work box like that, you could've also pretty easily pulled the box forward to see if additional cable could be pulled forward. After all, when they installed that box, they had to get that cable into the box, then push the box into the wall, so there's probably slack behind that box.
@richc98902 жыл бұрын
or if not near the stud, could always put in a double gang box (cutting out on the wire supply side) and that may give enough to connect the 1st outlet recepticle.
@matt1232312 жыл бұрын
Yes but only in rework boxes. Cables are stapled withing 6" of the box and the cable is pulled tight in new construction as every inch left on the spool is money saved in material
@ncooty2 жыл бұрын
@@matt123231: Did you read the first clause?
@matt1232312 жыл бұрын
@@ncooty I dont know what an "old box is" Rework boxes and rework requires AC90(BX) and always has for mechanical protection. Rework wiring cannot be secured . You have two types of installations Rework and "New construction". New Construction describes how the circuit was run( original construction regardless of age). If the wire is Romex its strapped and New Construction if not its Rework(BX) . No ever leaves leaves slack in New Construction inspectors dont like it and its wasted material and money out of the contractors pocket. By the way Ac90 was originally invented to stop Rats from eating wires during the great New York infestation the slang BX was coined because the Bronx was the worst
@SwingboyPA2 жыл бұрын
An old work box is what electricians call the thing you are calling a "rework box". There is absolutely no code that suggests that you cannot use NM in an old work box. For example, if my customer wants a receptacle that is to be positioned between two studs in a gutted house, I will often leave the cable stapled to a stud with the intent that I will cut a hole in the drywall after it goes up to install the box. In which case, the cable would be stapled within 6 in of the height of the old work box. Protip: using the exact meaning of the NEC, I will place a staple within 6 in of the box -BUT- make a loop in The wire so that more wire could be pulled into the box if necessary. Any electrician who is worrying about 6" of NM, is a cheap-ass fool who is competing based on the most nitpicky aspect of price rather than quality of the job. Compared to the potential benefit of having some extra wire, worrying about 6 in of NM at a cost of 20 to 30 cents is ridiculous. In a three-story Victorian twin, I'm likely to install between 100 and 130 locations. So in a full rehab, you were talking about less than $50. LoL ... I can't imagine presenting myself so poorly that a customer would not want to spend an extra $50 to have me do the work over another contractor. That is definitely not someone I would want to work for, so I would gladly lose that bid.
@jsmc21042 жыл бұрын
I've found old Knob and Tube wiring with the splices soldered, 100 years later it was still good
@kirkmuffie75422 жыл бұрын
The old know and tube if it was done right is a good look at old quality craftsmanship. You can tell when someone really put some pride in their work. Some of it is beautiful
@mathewmolk20892 жыл бұрын
When I started, with my dad romex was considered a cheep dangerous half assed way to do things. We did everything knob and tube and when done correctly it's still second only to pipe and wire (Which is how I did my own house - and dozens of commercial and industrial buildings). The problem with knob and tube, especially with the old asphalt linen insulation, is when some Bob Villa covers it with insulation. K&T depends on air around it to cool the conductors and when it gets burred overheating,,,,,and 451 degrees F can occur.
@davidgagniere29232 жыл бұрын
With older wire I usually use a small piece of emery cloth (sand paper works too) to "sand" the end of the wire to make sure the contact is clean.
@ahtribeofjudah5794 Жыл бұрын
Make sure you neatly tape that receptacle before pushing in "to" the handy box. Less chance of any thing "arc-ing out". Might take a few seconds longer......but certain safety measures are well worth the time spent. Didn't see many comments on taping the recep? I guess everybody's in a hurry now-a- days. Safety 1st is "B & B Electric's" top priority
@robertkerby25812 жыл бұрын
Great video! I have been using the regular WAGO Connectors (so-to-speak) for about a year and they are perfect! Also, a few months ago; I purchased the "(WAGO Lever nut)" connectors and used them for the second time most recently and they are not only easy to use but effective, too!
@porkchop102 жыл бұрын
I had no luck with the Wago connectors. Thought it would be easy/cleaner than nuts, but no dice. The light and receptacles had no power. Made the same connections with nuts and voila, all worked as it should. Made no sense, as it was all wired the same exact way both times.
@YT-User1013 Жыл бұрын
@@porkchop10 Some of these Wagos are dangerous and cannot handle a load and can cause a fire. I’m guessing these would be the cheap ch!nese crap ones.
@sharonhatfield4580 Жыл бұрын
Best DIY ever! Thank you
@4663David2 жыл бұрын
I noticed that an "old work" box was used in the video. When installing a receptacle in this type of box, the ears, or tabs, of the receptacle should be removed so the receptacle will fit within the confines of the box tabs providing for a more flush installation before installing the cover plate. Great video!
@marvinostman5222 жыл бұрын
If you remove those clips I would check to see if you are still meeting code and while you are at it verify that the wire nut or Wago connectors are meeting code.
@stevensevek61512 жыл бұрын
I think the wago solution is the quickest solution and just did this a couple days ago in a box I installed inside a new kitchen cabinet for installing under the cabinet lighting. Another method I used in a bathroom was when I replaced a single outlet receptacle box with a three gang box containing two duplex outlets and a switch to a new light bar installed above a new medicine cabinet. Instead of using wagos I made a cut out directly below the old box and installed a box under the sink top inside the lavatory cabinet as a junction box and then made the wire connecting to the three gang box long enough to solve the problem.
@grntchstrmdws2 жыл бұрын
When faced with this problem on outlets that are in the usual position of about 16 inches off the floor, I have cut a hole above the old box and installed a new one to gain the necessary wire. Of course, this means you have to patch the drywall. But this might not be a big deal if you are doing a renovation anyway. But the intended use of the outlet needs to be taken into consideration. In my case, a space heater was regularly plugged in, so pig tailing some wire extensions did not seem wise. In your example, the position on the wall and the wood paneling gave you few options.
@stevesether2 жыл бұрын
If the wire itself is in good shape, option 2 seems like overkill and doesn't provide much additional benefit. It's also unlikely to ever work given most of the time the wires are secured somewhere. There's also a lot of unknown risk. You can pull the wire out of the box, then it gets stuck somewhere else. Then you have a MUCH bigger problem. So honestly I think option 2 is generally a bad idea. It might be "more correct", but it doesn't make anything safer or better. The only time I think you should replace the wire is if the wire itself is in bad shape. i.e. the insulation is disintegrating, or you want to re-wire the circuit in general.
@meangreen73892 жыл бұрын
Not only do you write well, but your comment makes sense.
@fizzrot59042 жыл бұрын
Option three is all they needed to know, if the wire didn't have anymore slack from inside the wall.
@meangreen73892 жыл бұрын
@@fizzrot5904 - true, but the other options are still viable for some folks.
@keenobservations30502 жыл бұрын
I’ve had option 2 fail miserably as staples or nails can tear sheathing and you’d never know it until it was to late
@meangreen73892 жыл бұрын
@@keenobservations3050 - That’s a good point. Bare wire (s) is the worst situation behind a wall.
@davemeise21922 жыл бұрын
I think there's a fourth option if one is doing the work either in a garage/workshop or if the "fix" will be hidden. The option I'm thinking about is determine which direction the wires are coming from in the wall and then to instal a junction box further upstream from the wall plugs so one has sufficient wires in the junction box to meet code. Then run new wires from the junction box to the old plug box. I put the junction box lower down on the wall and only had to fish the wires a short distance.
@Archcryz2 жыл бұрын
Why would you want to go through the trouble of throwing another junction box into the mix when you can just use the junction box to which your outlet is already mounted? I can imagine this is only useful when your outer sheathing is to short. In the end the result is the same as option three because you will have to use a wire nut or wago to connect the two wires together in both cases.
@gregr1672 Жыл бұрын
Nice video ,I have come across so many short wire boxes in my time rebuilding old homes and moving bearing walls for additions that this video was close to my heart! Push in connectors like the Wago and modern connectors were nowhere to be found in the 70's and 80's ! So ,McGyverism was the rule of the day . Twisting ,soldering, using mechanical bugs ,and heavy duty electrical tape was the fix. It really sucked ,but rewiring totally would have been astronomical expense on some of these big jobs. Hard cement plaster with steel screen backing ,really fun stuff! Not! Push in connectors would of saved me tons of frustration and countless hours ! Big thumbs up .
@markk3652 Жыл бұрын
Wago’s are the way to go here for sure. Another idea is to use stranded wire for the extension pigtails. They will fold into the box a lot easier than solid wire will.
@10hunterLab2 жыл бұрын
I have been using wago for years now. Got me out of more than one fix. Easy to use. My fingers don't get cramped twisting wire nuts anymore. Highly recommended.
@ikonix3602 жыл бұрын
I myself prefer the back wire method you mentioned. I got a double wide in 2017 that was made in 1996. First thing I did was replace every outlet as they were all back wired with the old style that you merely push the wire in. I used the back wire method you mentioned and so far haven't had a single issue with any outlet.
@clamboni92 жыл бұрын
You had to put the wire behind the little plate and still tighten the screw, right? Not just stabbing the wire into the little hole in the back of the receptacle? The ones that have the plate behind the screw are great, but the ones where you stab the wire into the back of the receptacle can loosen over time and can cause the connection to get dangerously hot, hopefully only hot enough to burn up the device and not start a fire.
@scottdowney43182 жыл бұрын
An easy fix for the missing romex cover on those 3 wires. Goto Harbor Freight and buy their 5 pack of heat shrink tubing in the white boxes, it is very good quality. Remove that box, yours is easy to take out. Cut the heat shrink tubing to cover over the wires, and use a heat gun to shrink it on. Put box back in while threading romex back into box, then do your connectors. Otherwise, a standard box, you may be able slide in a section of heat shrink, maybe and do something similar. Heat shrink is very useful and does not have to be fully heat shrunk to also insulate and cushion those copper wires. I have been able to pry those side nailed to the stud boxes off and get them out before a few times.
@jimmarvel78882 жыл бұрын
Fantastic! I was just trying to figure out what to do about this as I am redoing my kitchen and the numbnuts who wired this house, probably an owner builder, made every dang wire too short. This is especially hard to work with when replacing old sockets with a GFCI type outlet near the sink. took me half an hour to do it, but I know it wasn't to code so just as I was thinking about calling an electrician to figure it out, I saw this video. The Wago's are definitely the way to solve my problems as i replace all the sockets and covers throughout this 51 year old house. I did make sure all the wires in my box were proper according to my father in law who is a journeyman electrician. And all the sockets seem to be wired as needed, just really short wires.
@EverydayHomeRepairs2 жыл бұрын
Hey Jim, you will really like the Wago 221 lever nuts. When you are working with limited wire and tight spaces they really standout as compared to standard wire nuts. Best of luck on your project 👍
@williamparker66492 жыл бұрын
Another option would be to remove that box and check for a reachable staple that you can then pull more wire through the box.
@coloradostrong2 жыл бұрын
You _threw_ the box? Where did you throw it? Did you not need the box?
@McCurtainCounty8882 жыл бұрын
@@coloradostrong its obviously his first day on the job, it my be his last day if he keeps throwing boxes , they cost good money. Maybe he gets mad and throws things.
@94auwing2 жыл бұрын
You should always check both position on outlets in case it’s a split circuit
@jimk53072 жыл бұрын
Agreed, however in this case there is only one set of conductors. In that case its impossible to have a split circuit.
@arlenbell43762 жыл бұрын
@@jimk5307 yes, but you don’t know that until after the outlet is pulled.
@bdemaree2 жыл бұрын
@@arlenbell4376 Using only a plug tester doesn't protect you from hidden hots in the box. If you really want to be safe use a hot stick (proximity tester) get a good one and you can tell polarity with it. Or there's the "no tester" method: one handed, thumb on the ground, tap the other wires with a finger. ONE HANDED!!! DO NOT ATTEMPT TWO HANDED!!! 120 volts through your thumb and fore finger will make you jump and go "WAAA HAA HA WA AA" (Always good for a laugh). 120 volts at 20A through one hand, up your arm, across your chest, THROUGH YOUR HEART, down the other arm, and out your other hand is... well... not as funny.
@arlenbell43762 жыл бұрын
100% agreement on the hot stick. I always have one in my shirt pocket. I learned the “thumb and forefinger” method once on a 110 volt circuit that was accidentally connected to two circuit breakers. It never hurts to check twice - and then check again!
@ParRagon-2 жыл бұрын
@@bdemaree where do you get That 20a from ? Its at best ( in normal circumstances ) 12mA. And the breaker should Pop immediatly.
@m.cigledy67692 жыл бұрын
At 7:30, where the outlet is being secured to the box, the little break away tabs on the outlet should be removed when being installed in this shape of box. Notice when the screws were tightened, the pressure pushed the tabs outward. This can interfere with the cover. This can cause everything to wiggle and work loose, and it can also keep the cover from laying flat against the wall. That style of box will allow the mount to lay in a small recess when the tabs are removed.
@stevenpersinger65772 жыл бұрын
Who cares showoff
@RyanBreaker2 жыл бұрын
@@stevenpersinger6577 well this tip literally just helped me this morning, did someone piss in your cereal?
@kali47402 жыл бұрын
Good tip.
@bahbee56592 жыл бұрын
What exactly are those tabs for in this modern age?
@Michaelalanharlow2 жыл бұрын
Why would i do that on a dead end, duplex outlet? then only one plug would work... the tabs are for if you wanted one plug to be operated by a switch and the other constantly powered i.e. a bedroom with a switched outlet that has no overhead light. the tabs are a bridge between outlets, this is a single pole outlet
@joeh89092 жыл бұрын
Option 2B... Try and drop the box and see if theres any slack behind it. Once in a while, you'll see a wire drop from above, but hit the bottom of the box. A simple rotation of the box could free up 3 inches...
@jimwarren71582 жыл бұрын
That solves a big problem. Option 3. Without a whole lot of stress.
@trek520rider22 жыл бұрын
I got rid of baseboard heat in our 1958 house. I was going to remove all the old cable and found the local code had it stapled every two feet! So it's still there.😃
@matthewp16822 жыл бұрын
I was planning on installing central heat/air in my home and getting rid of the baseboard heat and the oil furnace altogether. That way my house is 100% electric and powered by solar!
@danakibby6272 жыл бұрын
My experience with those connectors is always tape them because they like to unlock when pushing them in tight stops!
@DaveGamesVT2 жыл бұрын
Great tips. Gonna save this video for the next time I need to open up an outlet.
@Silverdragon5172 жыл бұрын
Great video. I have used wire nuts in this position before but those wago connectors are so much better to use
@numberoneduno72652 жыл бұрын
Wago’s have a high failure rate. A properly installed wire nut is much more safe.
@Pugjamin2 жыл бұрын
@@numberoneduno7265 you got some proof of that? Seen plenty of testing of wagos and never seen any suggestion of high failure rates. In the U.K. they’re the de-facto choice for all electricians now.
@numberoneduno72652 жыл бұрын
@@Pugjamin My proof is in my experience as an IBEW trained electrician with over 24 years in the trade. I have done electrical contractor work for Apple Computer, Chevron, Shell, Arco, Proctor and Gamble, Aerojet Rocketdyne, Amazon, as well as several Pharmaceutical companies, just to name a few. I have personally witnessed the failure rate, and have been tasked with troubleshooting problems that have been caused by Wago’s. They expand and contract over time and become loose. It carries the current through a connection as thin as a knife blade. They are banned at every single company I mentioned. All due to experiencing them fail at one time or another. Telling me that the UK uses them means absolutely nothing to me after what I have personally experienced.
@richdobbs65952 жыл бұрын
Option 4. Install a new old work box closer to source of the romex cable. Then just run a jumper betwixt the two. In your case, this may not be possible if the cable is going upward, but if it is going down or sideways this could work.
@lhotse86152 жыл бұрын
So you'd rather draw an outline for an old work box, cut the drywall, remove any staples, install new old work box, run the wires, wrap box with ele. tape, and attach the outlet, HA HA. This is a DIY job, and the way the video explains is pretty on point. I dont like that he used speed wiring vs twisting or wrapping his box, but ifs not my video
@DAustinHorowitz2 жыл бұрын
@@lhotse8615 He didn't use speed wiring--the outlet was back wired. He's repeatedly called out speed wiring as a non-preferred option; here's one video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibmWg92m06u1aZs.html
@50srefugee2 жыл бұрын
@@lhotse8615 Yes, I have done all that, and more, and frankly, I'd do it again. The result was much a neater and easier to work with installation of the new device. And it will be easier for The Next Guy, whom I always try to accommodate.
@jreeder61682 жыл бұрын
Very good presentation. I had to replace a receptacle with short wires. Thanks for a good professional tip without all the goofy stuff so common with these.
@CrOwbaRVids2 жыл бұрын
You can also insert a (solid) wire in a Wago connector without opening it first, it is mentioned in their datasheet.
@MrLWFred2 жыл бұрын
For option 2 before I would of gone up in the attic I would of tried removing the box because it is a cut-in box so more than likely there is extra wire if it's coming from the attic because the wires are going into the box from the bottom. Just run the wire into the top of the box instead of the bottom and you'll have plenty of wire without the pigtails. Make sense?
@numberoneduno72652 жыл бұрын
I noticed the same thing. Good call.
@davidkahler93902 жыл бұрын
I've relocated the box a few inches in the direction the wire is coming from before, then patched. Not usually an option for aesthetic reasons.
@dalegribble602 жыл бұрын
For twist on wire nuts I use a style where the cap unscrews from the insert. The insert is made of metal with a screw which can be tightened to hold the attaching wires together tightly. Then just screw the cap back on to protect them. This style is usually black and made of bakelite type epoxy. This type is far less likely to come off.
@ag-om6nr2 жыл бұрын
Marr Connectors , from a generation ago !
@Shinare732 жыл бұрын
1M views and only 14k thumbs up? C'mon people, just the reminder that wago connectors exist is enough for a thumbs up!
@tiggeroush2 жыл бұрын
The 3 inch and 6 inch requirements in the video are located in the 2020 NEC at 300.14 The 1/4 inch requirement is in 314.17(B)(2). Don't forget to torque the screws NEC 110.14(D)
@markg79632 жыл бұрын
Been watching several of your videos. I’ve done some electrical here and there, but I appreciate your videos as I learn a lot. Keep up the good work. Subscribed.
@maxheadroom8857 Жыл бұрын
Some local building codes forbid doing extensions to the old wiring if it is too short. They require you to put in a new cable from the affected box to the junction box. So you must make sure you meet your local code as well, to be safe.
@TheEulerID11 ай бұрын
Which raises the question, if it's safe to use wire extensions in one part of the country, then why is it not safe in another (or vice-versa)?
@maxheadroom885711 ай бұрын
@@TheEulerID that is a very interesting thought, isn't it? When I took electronics in high school back in 1979-80 and 1980-81, the NEC did not permit the use of extensions to extend wires short of the 6" minimum. They required replacing the wires leading from the breaker panel to the affected receptacle box or from the light leading to the switch box. Lobbyists must have influenced those making decisions to change the code to permit using extensions.
@robertberryhill40332 жыл бұрын
Being a retired license electrician I always told my help to get a good hand full of wire before cutting the wire
@markbrownfield4372 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate learning about Wagos, ECX screwdrivers, and commercial-grade receptacles from your channel. I have some old loose outlets to be replaced. Great tip about the short wires, I've seen one or two in this house.
@7attech54862 жыл бұрын
I would never use the wago connectors the are not a tight fit which causes heat I work at industrial poultry plant and have seen so many of these connectors burnt up.
@yamaha420c2 жыл бұрын
@@7attech5486 no doubt there is much truth here , but having been in a chicken plant or two, I would think that the difference in loads would be considerable.
@markbrownfield4372 жыл бұрын
@@7attech5486 Perhaps they wouldn't be the best choice for an industrial application. I am referring to residential use. Just recently I helped a neighbor whose heater stopped working because the wire nut connections weren't properly done, so they melted and smoked. I didn't know about wagos then, but I see how they can make those connections especially with stranded conductors nearly foolproof.
@jsswizard2 жыл бұрын
@Jake Schroyer. Sounds like the Wago connectors were overloaded. Each Wago connector series has a current rating that must not be exceeded. They sell industrial rated connectors and waterproof connectors for harsh environments.
@7attech54862 жыл бұрын
@@jsswizard some was overloaded but most wasn't but anyways .... . . If I can't trust them, I won't trust them anywhere
@markoshun2 жыл бұрын
Great explanation video. Although an open wall would be good to show here. Option 2 is clever, but probably a waste of time. I can’t remember ever opening walls and finding wiring that’s not stapled. It wouldn’t pass, and almost all houses were inspected when built. The reason option 1 works is that a short loop is left between box and first staple for this exact reason.
@clamboni92 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't pass doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you can't pull the wire option 2 is at the very least worth a try.
@badman12311682 жыл бұрын
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@u1zha2 жыл бұрын
TIL that US is so fond of stapling cables to immovable structures... Whereas residential installations in Sweden use PVC conduits almost exclusively where it's super easy to pull new wires in.
@arnoldshangle4142 жыл бұрын
@@u1zha , using conduit in a residential setting makes it possible to remove/add wiring from box to box if needed. That is a definite plus. The problem is the crazy amount of extra time it takes to pipe, then go back and pull wire. As far as stapling to studs, one of the reasons is so no excess wire gets left behind walls hanging freely for someone to inadvertantly cut into when cutting holes in wall for other projects.
@PeteFolksinger2 жыл бұрын
I built an addition and in rough-in the inspector gigged me for this. My leads were like 5 1/2". Fortunately, drywall was not up yet and I was still able to relocate the boxes enough to get sufficient slack.
@billszymborski58411 ай бұрын
Great video! Option 4 would be: this looks like an "add on" box and I would try to remove it to see if there was any way to loosen up some slack behind the box. Although pulling the wires from outside like you did, pretty much did the same thing.
@mariosolis60649 ай бұрын
What happens if your wires are too short ? What kind of hazard does this pose ?
@billszymborski5849 ай бұрын
@@mariosolis6064 I would say that if they were too short, you could not hook them properly to the switch or recepticle.
@thomasbooth90792 жыл бұрын
I’ve struggled with this for years, wires were pulled tight (think guitar string tight)and cut short in my house. Bakelite boxes as well. I’m sure they save $5 in building the house by doing this. Plus it had a Federal Pacific breaker box with no main breaker, a real joy to do any electrical work
@mChav34 Жыл бұрын
Same here.. except my light switches appeared to be Bakelite or something similar.
@wizard3z868 Жыл бұрын
Fpe lol fire probability enhanced with red hell fire handles yup never heard of them lol
@aaronrodden81212 жыл бұрын
I just solder new wires to the old along with an approved shrink tubing cover. It's simple, easy and lasts forever!
@RDEnduro2 жыл бұрын
Not a standard practice
@Alobster12 жыл бұрын
@@RDEnduro Yes but a better practice then using a wago. Wagos actually have quite a bit more resistance then a wire nut or solder joint. They also take up more space. Great Scott did a video on wagos showing how much power they can draw and it is a bit concerning to me for long periods. Resistance = heat = expansion. How many years of expansion and contraction can a wago withstand? 10, 20, 30?
@chrisharberg74092 жыл бұрын
Excellent, clear, concise presentation. You are a great teacher!!!
@eugenegress5896 Жыл бұрын
Great tips! My son has the same issue in his older home. Many will make their comments, Especially Electrical savvy people, but Most people don't want to spend alot of time solving this issue; just get it done, in a Quick safe manner, # 3 and be done with it, and go Fishing, or get instant ," Wife Points" .
@perniciousprogressive83332 жыл бұрын
Just had something similar where I replaced w/ a deeper larger volume box and jumpers/extensions and used 2-hole connectors like you showed. The push-ins are awesome, but the lever-typre are even easier IMO, just hard to find at most home centers - and more expensive. I may never use wire nuts again. :) They are invaluable when connecting most new lighting fixtures, where you get a crappy little piece of stranded & need to connect to a larger ga. Romex. I tin the stranded first and the rest is gravy. Don't know about code, but it keeps the stranded stiff enough to properly seat in the push-in types. Where have they been all of my life? ;)
@rpsmith2 жыл бұрын
I have read that the lever type also work by just pushing the wire in but I haven't verified that yet.
@clamboni92 жыл бұрын
The push ins are easy, but the connection can loosen over time. Not as much of a concern for things like light fixtures, but for receptacles, they move a little every time something is plugged in, and over time the wires can back out, and the spring tension in the connector itself can loosen. Then they get hot, potentially hot enough to start fires. Not SUPER common, but it does happen. Be careful where you use them.
@clamboni92 жыл бұрын
@@northlinejct9608 honestly only a couple times, bit I've opened up a couple and had the wire just pull right out of them. I figure if I've personally seen it a couple times, while it may not really be common, it's enough to be a concern. Sometimes your choices are limited, but when I have the option, I know I can make sure a good twisted spice with a wire nut won't come loose. Plus, have you ever really looked closely at one of them and how they jnterface with the wire? The contact area between the wire and the metal in the wagon is very small.
@ronchaffin70202 жыл бұрын
Amazon has great prices on the WAGO 221 connectors
@johnkruton97082 жыл бұрын
I’ve been remodeling my 1962 home since 2007. I’ve redone some “temporary” junction boxes and older light fixtures/junctions with WAGO’s. They are awesome. My older work I’ve gotten back into to add things has be replacing my wire nuts with WAGOS. No better way to hook up 5 wires.
@narmale2 жыл бұрын
push-in or level lock wagos?
@europaeuropa36732 жыл бұрын
Good advice as I've used wago's many years ago.. I would not even waste time trying to pull in another cable and just go directly to the Wago connectors. But then again I'm not an electrician just a retired engineer.
@cryzz0n2 жыл бұрын
I'd recommend the Ideal Spliceline connectors for this vs. the Wago. I always keep a dozen or so in my bag for this exact problem.
@BobboMax12 жыл бұрын
Ref Option 2 (using the existing Romex to pull a new longer cable) it's important to take the warning about staples, etc., to heart. You run the risk of pulling the new cable half-way, finding yourself hung up on something and unable to go either way. Then you have to figure out where the hang-up is, dig into some wall somewhere and exhume the snag. Could turn a 15 minute job into half a day. If option 1 doesn't work, I'd just go straight to Option 3, and I'd use Wagos if possible.
@T_bone2 жыл бұрын
4:00 He covers this specifics.
@YT-User1013 Жыл бұрын
Option 2 will only work if it’s a wire that someone added after the fact (and does not have staples). After the fact being after the initial construction. If there is one staple on the wire, it’s not pulling anywhere. Those are typically hammered tight and will not pull through.
@jfmips2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the code update, very informative. One question, you said you added a 20A plug, is your wire rated for 20A ?
@JD-yz8cn2 жыл бұрын
Surprisingly, I've not yet seen anyone recommend wrapping a sufficient amount of electrical tape around Wago connectors. Those orange tabs don't take a lot of force to lift, so I wrap them to better ensure any future installations don't accidentally open them. I always imagine them snagging on another wire while someone's cramming into a box... very common in larger, "smart" switches/outlets.
@michaljazlowiecki2 жыл бұрын
In fact, cheap WAGO substitutes have this issue, but WAGO 221 levers snap into place and you need to exert some force to open them. The force required is not so big, but it's enough to ensure that the levers do not open or let the cables (as you may use WAGO 221 for both a wire and for a cord) loose in any other way. And if you work with wires only, then there are also WAGO connectors that you push the wire into (and you have to twist the wire while pulling it out) - the spring inside holds the wire in place (you can use them with mixed wire diameters).
@reesaserik37592 жыл бұрын
WAGO are designed to not let go of the wire easily, but I, myself, am a worry wort. I wrap mine 'just to make sure". It does not take but a few seconds to do so, and it hurts nothing. But then, my husband describes my method of carpentry as "...one gallon of glue for every 1/4 lb of nails ...'". He has had to take apart something I have built, and he ended up having to take a maul to it. I do not build anything to fall apart. So, yeah, I take extra steps, like wrapping the WAGO. But those connectors are wonderful.
@lancefletcher78892 жыл бұрын
@@michaljazlowiecki 9
@cecilarthurfranscis8690 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful. In my days never had these options
@andrewbitners41652 жыл бұрын
Remember that all the problems associated with backstabbing wires into receptacles exist using wagos. Two small spring points are all that make contact with the wire. I use caution and don't use them in high amp situations, like kitchen circuits or at the beginning (home run side) of a box chain. Their great in light fixtures.
@Faddnn2 жыл бұрын
Nope wago is a solid connector that dont suffer the same issue as older types springloaded connector. As long as they're used within the rated current there should be no problem. And since you can't push much more than 20 amps through a 4 mm2 cable without damaging the cable over time, you will never really overload this connector.
@lastchance81422 жыл бұрын
Wages are listed and approved for 20 amp circuits. No issue whatsoever. Time to welcome the 21 century!
@milwaukeemikee40632 жыл бұрын
On a how to video I might add wrapping the outlet in black tape as well as seating the unused screw terminals. Good safety habits, Especially important on a metal box. Nice job. I enjoy your videos!
@JohnDaker_singer2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I'm surprised he didn't wrap the outlet.
@mathewmolk20892 жыл бұрын
Sorry bro,,,,Taped devices is a sure sign of an amateur. Professional paid electricians do not do that, and, as it not in the code it is actually a violation, meaningless as it is but still not a listed wiring methode.
@milwaukeemikee40632 жыл бұрын
@@mathewmolk2089 not a code violation if you can’t site the code violation ! I don’t care if you don’t agree, but don’t make stuff up. That amateurish practice has served me well over the years.
@JohnDaker_singer2 жыл бұрын
@@mathewmolk2089 That's funny, because my electrician taught me that trick.
@Zerpersande2 жыл бұрын
DIYer here. Have tried, and been successful, with #1. Aware of #2 but never seriously considered it. And that’s because…, #3 works I’ve been doing this since long before these connectors were available. My way was to use a sleeve, crimp it and insulate it with electrical tape.
@schrodingerscat18632 жыл бұрын
WAGO also do an inline lever connector like this which can be better for extending depending on the space you have. In Europe no one uses wire nuts because connectors like that are not code compliant these days.
@numberoneduno72652 жыл бұрын
Are you saying that wire nuts are not code compliant? I have been an industrial electrician for over 24 years, and I can tell you that Wago’s are banned at most sites I go to. A properly installed wire nut is a much better connection than a Wago. The surface area of a Wago connector is as thin as a knife blade. I’ve seen wires fall right out of Wago’s, more times than I’ve seen them hold.
@schrodingerscat18632 жыл бұрын
@@numberoneduno7265 Thing is they are certified and for the regs authorities that is all that matters at least that is how it is in the UK. Must admit I have never seen wires fall out of a WAGO lever connector or a wire nut for that matter.
@numberoneduno72652 жыл бұрын
@@schrodingerscat1863 I had lunch today with 6 electricians. All IBEW trained. The one with the least experience has only 7 years in the trade. The oldest has over 50, and is a 2nd generation electrician. Every single one has experienced a wire fall right out of a Wago connector. It has always been an instance where they have had to troubleshoot a problem, and found that the loose connection was the problem. None of them have ever used one in an installation. We use wire nuts, and we tape them after they have been securely twisted to wires that have been properly stripped, and twisted together. For all I know, the design has improved over the years, but the reputation has been forever tarnished in the eyes of every electrician I know.
@schrodingerscat18632 жыл бұрын
@@numberoneduno7265 Here in the UK at least you never see wire nuts unless you are looking at really old wiring from earlier than say 1980s. WAGO or similar is everywhere which is a pain because most of it is the push fit type that you can't easily get off when you need to. Wire nuts here have a bad reputation because of the old ceramic ones that always used to crack after a few years exposing bare metal. As I said I never saw one fall off but I have never seen WAGO fall off either. It may be because they are primarily designed for metric wire sizes, though they are US rated.
@StefanLasiewski2 жыл бұрын
Can you provide more tips on how to effectively fold and fit wires in a crowded workbox? One of the problems I've run into with pigtails is that the extra wire nuts and wires take up more volume in the box which makes it hard to fold all the wires neatly into the box, especially if I have a thick GFCI which also take up space.
@perry22812 жыл бұрын
Use a deep box for a gfi.
@bfeezey2 жыл бұрын
There's no easy way to do it. Fold the wires top to bottom of the box, push them away from the back of the outlet. The best advice is to work with the breaker off to avoid worrying if you will get shocked moving the wires around.
@flawmore2 жыл бұрын
I'm an electrician. Some boxed are just harder than others to get perfect. The trick is to have the exact amount of wire needed. Not too short, and definately not too long. A wire that is short obviously takes less space but a too short one will not bend very well, and you don't want to use a lot of force to close the outlet. You have to use every bit of space even if it means making the wires longer sometimes. You ideally want to pre-fold the wire to the shape that it "wants" to be when it goes back into the box so minimal force is needed. If you mean a junction box with just a lid, you simply have to play tetris. WAGO has also released a new version that is way thinner than the 221, but I'm not sure if it's available in the US. Worst case scenario, you may have to install a bigger or second box and re-route to that one. And this goes without saying, but you need to layer the wires. First you do all E's, push them along the walls to the back, then do the same with N and H.
@snoww2009 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes it is best to just relocate the outlet in the direction of the incoming wire. For example, if the wire enters from the top of the box, you can move up the outlet box 5 inch and you will have 5 inch of brand new, never exposed wire to use. Never worry about opening a hole in the drywall or plaster. They are easy to repair.
@markhenry64862 жыл бұрын
I'm not an electrician but I have a fair bit of experience rewiring and such forth. Yes I got permits when I did it, homeowner permits. I watch the video for a lark, not expecting to learn anything, just wanted to see how you explained something. However, when you mentioned what you called, back wiring, you explained that you need to tighten up the side screws in order to secure the wire that's gone in the back wire hole. I had no idea that that step was necessary. Thanks
@alanpayne14422 жыл бұрын
Very good video and the use of excellent Wago connectors is becoming more common in UK and Europe. However, one small observation is that the European (and UK standards) would insist on the addition of green/yellow insulated sleeving of the bare ground (earth) wire to stop the chance of shorting to the hot (live) or neutral terminals after fixing the fitting to the wall.
@InfernosReaper2 жыл бұрын
ground shorting the neutral isn't really a big deal. it only really matters for the live.
@larskruse75752 жыл бұрын
@@InfernosReaper yeah but since in the EU we're using RCD's it is indeed a pretty big deal - beause a short between ground and neutral would be enough to trip the breaker
@InfernosReaper2 жыл бұрын
@@larskruse7575 Fair enough. I was thinking more the US where those aren't used on everything. Hell, some places in the US have connections between neutral and ground to try to do some lazy and cheap alternative to proper grounding. I have no idea if that was *ever* acceptable by code, but I've ran into it and it's been infuriating every time.
@charlesyoungblood75612 жыл бұрын
Great explanation. Exactly what I use, also. Wago is a little pricy but well worth the extra pennies.
@melissal.13306 ай бұрын
I live in a condo so options 1 & 2 would not work for me. You made the option 3 so easy to follow! Thank you so much for this video. 👍👍
@adrianbishop22112 жыл бұрын
I agree with this counsel. I missed any mention of turning off the circuit breaker first.
@clf59902 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this info! This is my biggest problem right now. Love your videos!
@josearkadio75662 жыл бұрын
Americans discovered wago couplings :-) There are 221 inline series fittings for this kind of connection. And my favorite 2273 series. The company's products allow you to save a lot of time when setting up new installations. Or when renovating the old one :-)
@EverydayHomeRepairs2 жыл бұрын
Agreed! I just got some of the WAGO 221 -2401 which are the inline splices. Still hard to get in the US but they are starting to be more common for some of the online supply houses.
@johnkirkpatrick17782 жыл бұрын
In the UK we would put a piece of green/yellow insulation tubing on the Earth wire(s), so that there is no chance of the folded wire actually touching any live conductors. Also, almost all screwed connections on the rear of our sockets or switches have the conductors pushed into shrouded connectors (moulded into the rear of the socket or switch) before tightening the securing screws (no 'J' hooks needed, though thinner wires are normally bent back on themselves to give more copper for the securing screw to 'bite' into. In a 'loop' situation with two wires per connection, both wires are twisted together before inserting into the connector.) Very interesting to see our our American cousins do it! And I'm a great fan of the Wego connectors; a lot faster than the old plastic strip connectors!
@stoneblue17952 жыл бұрын
Heatshrink tubing, yes, yes.
@AnotherUser10002 жыл бұрын
You can also solder them and then put some heat-shrinkable tube on each one of them. From Greece with love.
@steveterry542 жыл бұрын
Great video, and a very common problem. I just started using the WAGO connectors and I love them. Thanks for sharing this useful hint.
@alainaarrhodge59002 жыл бұрын
wago connectors. That's what he's saying. Thank you for clarifying it
@7attech54862 жыл бұрын
I would never use the wago connectors they are not a tight fit which causes heat I work at industrial poultry plant and have seen so many of these connectors burnt up.
@TheCaperfish2 жыл бұрын
@@7attech5486 correct electrician 25 years here , they will cause resistance and resistance = heat
@esl40582 жыл бұрын
Also an electrician here. A nice tight splice with a wirecap leaves no gaps where arcing can occur either.
@TheCaperfish2 жыл бұрын
@@esl4058 yep would never use them its no different then back stabbing a receptacle there is just a little blade contacting the wire , might be fine forever on a lighting circuit with a few amps but a circuit with a constant 6 to 12 amps on it they would be a hazard
@libertypastor13072 жыл бұрын
Very good video for DIY'ers. If you're going to install extensions to the old wires, I would also recommend using pliers to pry the plastic clamp enough to slide about 2 inches of cable sheathing between the old wires and the plastic tab to prevent wear on the insulation of the old wires, thus making it safer.
@James-bv4nu2 жыл бұрын
what are you talking about? you can't slide out, because the wire is too short. you can't slide in, because there is no sheathing on that end of the wire.
@davidicousgregorian2 жыл бұрын
not safe stretches romex or rips in wall at staple see my comments for only safe options also never use 2 different power sources or neutrals same neutrals only
@libertypastor13072 жыл бұрын
@@James-bv4nu Let me clarify. When dealing with old wires, especially if there is cloth insulation, or the two wires only as in knob and tube wiring, I like to take empty sheathing that I have cut off of Romex wiring and slip it around the old wiring between the wires and the clamps whether plastic tabs or metal screw down connector clamps. This prevent further wear on the old insulation of the old wires that may even be brittle. That, of course, is only if you're not going to replace the old wiring.