Really depends on your taste. If you are running Zwift on a decent computer the graphics are pretty high quality

It's honestly insane how slow/complacent Zwift is when it comes to implementing features and QOL changes. Seems like a lot of people don't seem to care since there isn't that much competition but if this changes its just going to be better for consumers in the long term. I guess the big problem is there's not a big interesect between talented game/app developers and passionate cyclists.

Yeah, I think that’s another thing is that it just serves as a reminder for a lot of people that they have this subscription that they’re likely not using going through the summer months

I haven’t heard of those two but I will do some digging and get back to you

Looking forward to your answer. 😊 FYI: the Zycle is confirmed by MyWhoosh itself on their website, it costs about 1.700 EUR. The Virtufit I only find confirmation with other apps (Zwift and Kinomap), not sure about Mywhoosh. It costs about 700 EUR. I guess the big difference will be that the Zycle resistance can be controlled by apps, but Virtufit can't. But even of that I ain't sure.

@@wardcoomans7101 It looks like it uses standard bluetooth stuff so I would assume it is compatible with MyWhoosh. I'd recommend reaching out to their support team to confirm before purchasing

@@ZRaceCentral thanks allready. I did sent message through the Virtufit website itself. No answer so far, curious for their answer. I allready asked at an dutch seller, who said it was not compatibel. But he also said the Zycle Bike isn't compatibel, but the Zycle is recommended by MyWhoosh itself. So mixed answers there... 😓 I also asked through the MyWhoosh chat, he said he didn't know/tested with Virtufit. Which I understand completely, there are thousands of indoor bikes, it is not up to them to test them out. I'll just hope and wait for the answer of Virtufit itself. Thanks again for your effort.

Generally most trainers that transmit power data via bluetooth are compatible. with these cycling apps. It's just the simulation aspect that has more of a grey area

Have you tried any virtual cycling apps so far? Or are you looking for advice for your first one

@@ZRaceCentral i have tried plently, and currently using zwift for 2 years.. I have tried rouvy but i don't really like the realism of the graphic For mywhoosh the problem is i have Heard from my group ride.. mywhoosh hd are needed pretty high spec pc.. is it enough for my gaming laptop?

Zwift is not necessarily the best cycling platform. Lots of people find that IndieVelo manages racing better, or that Rouvy is more realistic, or that MyWhoosh's graphics are better. While by no means is this price increase going to destroy Zwift, it's just prompting a decent amount (relative to what we've seen over the past few years) of users to be upset enough to leave. I wasn't saying that I don't think Zwift is the best, but rather sharing what I've heard from a lot of other users on the platform. I still do think Zwift is the best (for me at least).

My whoosh graphics better?! Tried it for the first time this week, the whole experience felt like I was running it on a Commodore 64 compared to Zwift on my gaming PC

@@ChasingSub11 What device have you been running it on? If it was running in the full version (not the GO version for lower spec PCs) on a PC it would use the Unreal 5 engine and it does look much nicer. Where it breaks down is long distance views. Those are often empty and bland but short range it certainly higher fidelity ... with the right hardware and settings.

Fair point, I’ll look further into my settings. It’s an older pc but Zwift looks great on it, I may have downloaded the more basic version then!

@Adiambrozi I think you need to be a bit more granular than "Zwift is by far the best cycling platform". Racing wise: Indievelo is much more realistic and better in that respect. Workouts/Training plan wise Zwift is absolute garbage. Most of the training plans are outright bad for your health. The few that are good (such as the FTP builder) were actually contracted out and have not been done by Zwift. MyWhoosh has a lot more credibility in that regard with many great training plans from coaches that work with the likes of Tadej Pogacar. The question is "what makes Zwift great?" ... in my view that is the community ... not anything that Zwift have done directly. And a community can get quickly get rid off by e.g. drastic price increases. Empty the roads in Watopia and the race pens and Zwift would feel just as bland as myWhoosh often feels at the moment. The exodus from Zwift could quickly snowball to a level that it is non-recoverable ... I hope they recover but I'm currently planning to leave the platform when my annual subscription runs out.

Agreed. Mass expdus wasn’t the best phrasing on my part but there definitely are a lot of people have are cancelling their subscriptions at least for the summer months

@@ZRaceCentral Let's look for "Peak Zwift 2025" next January if that is significantly lower than the 2024 numbers that would be more conclusive I think.

I think they will have change at some point but they may stay free for a few months to maximize the users they can gain from Zwift’s price change

@@ZRaceCentralMyWhoosh have publically stated many times, that they will stay free forever, as they have powerful backers (and possibly government backing too).

@@sbrusgaard IndieVelo will likely charge at some point if they stay independent. They said in the past that they don't intend to compete with the big players but rather develop the technology to improve/license to other platforms ... sounds to me that they are building up to sell at some point. Probably still a couple of years out as they will want to build the user base to increase the price tag if this is what is happening. MyWhoosh does obviously have the cross of a washing machine and sports ... to keep the washing machine going it makes sense for it to stay free ... not a guarantee though. ... Microsoft also said that windows 10 was going to be the very last windows version they would ever release ... things change in business.

Yeah I think myWhoosh will stay free. indieVelo will cost something for sure in the future

it will be always free because its sucks and they need at least some people filling the maps..

Yeah that decision makes sense especially with your use case

What currency are you referring to? The Wahoo Kickr V4 is a decent deal at 500 (assuming it's UK or US currency). However, the upcoming Jetblack Victory seems to be a _very_ good option if ~400-500 is your budget. It has the same accuracy as the Kickr V4, comes with a Zwift Cog, and has much more modern features (10hz transmission, wifi, etc). It is set to be released later this year, so if you can wait I'd probably wait for the reviews of that trainer, and if they are positive, pick that one up over the Kickr V4. Also, if you're worried about being bound to Zwift with the Jetblack Victory, you can always swap the cog out for a cassette for ~$50.

@@ZRaceCentral yeah but waiting untill fall seems like a lot, im really looking at the Core, at v6 with discount to 999 right now. and its REALLY hard to choose. yeah i wass reffering to usd, 500 for the kicker but sadly there is no virtual shifting for it. Although i only trained in ERG mode in the past. i assume its pretty irrelevant to what i knew how to do in zwift itself

@@ignaciosevil2157 V6 would give you pretty much everything you need. The ELITE Avanti is another to check out. It releases in a few months and should be priced at around $750 US and offers many of the features that the V6 offers at a lower cost. No virtual shifting for it at the moment but that could definitely change once it is formerly announced and available for purchase.

@@ignaciosevil2157 if the v6 is within your budget, it certainly won’t disappoint. It really has anything you could need, only things you’d get from higher end trainers like the MOVE are well… movement. I’d say if you’re willing to spend, the v6 would be a great reliable trainer. With the CORE you’re pretty much just getting a bit less accuracy, but less gradient sim, no wifi or 10hz transmission, and smaller flywheel (not at realistic).

ROUVY

Rouvy, indievelo, and MyWhoosh are all options. However, for many Zwift will suit their needs better than these alternatives, so only switch if you feel the need

@@ZRaceCentralthere is still no competition

@@collectivesartori the apps I listed are definitely competition. They may not suit your needs but they certainly suit many others needs

What about running? I like to do rides and runs? Any alternative for that? Swift is pretty expensive with everything going up specially groceries I can’t afford keeping the subscription

Yeah it's nice now, but I think IV will not stay free, it's free now as it's in beta but not for always I guess

​@@ZanicL3what is IV?

@@aboutagb indievelo lol

But it isn't a bargain, is it? £180/year for what? Them to manage a server and a pretty basic game? Let's see: Netflix, where they invest hundreds of millions in the content, and charge you £8/month, how about Spotify where they give you access to pretty much all music and you pay £8/month. No mate, this very basic game is NOT worth double that.

I believe I did mention Rouvy, but I didn’t talk about it as much because it is a paid app and I was mainly focusing on free alternatives

Yeah, I think that's what a lot of people fail to realize. Zwift has pretty much everything anyone could need, but most of these other alternatives do have the basic features that most riders use. Glad you were able to find a good alternative that works for you.

Problem is, the other competitors have had a customizable HUD for ages now and have much more customizabiloty compare to Zwift. Zwift’s is extremely minimal if you saw the data fields that can be changed. There’s basically a selection of 4 basic statistics.

@@ZRaceCentral I think Zwift's biggest problem at the moment is one that mywoosh for example will come up against soon. Investors want their returns and Mywoosh is running at a massive loss. I think the Zwift price rise is purely pressure to make profit and Mywoosh will be under the same pressure, especially if the masses move there from Zwift in the short-term.

Definitely need to live up to the expectations if they want people to take zwift racing seriously

Zwift have had over half a decade to fix racing, they haven’t and it’s not going to happen. Just go with IV for e racing now, leave zwift for the people playing make believe.

Why would they stop money coming in? They are the same as game developers. Not interested in stopping users even if they are cheating

​@@simoncbr900rr Well, most of the biggest games have anti-cheating code built in, and or extensions you have to install with the PC version, etc. It's my belief Zwift is simply not capable of solving the problem, because they have tried a few things in the past, all of which they always abandoned. Over the years they also let go of staff (or said staff resigned) that were resolving the cheating issues as well. So, might be true they don' t want to solve it on purpose as well. But who cares at this stage (2024), IV is solving the problem, for validated community racing it will fill that void.

Yip I’ve highlighted many times to zwift is the price increase to pay for the makita dewault coffee dopers zwift is rife with cheats getting sick of it

Indeed

Yeah, I do think people underestimate the amount of resources it takes to develop an app, especially one as complex and large as Zwift

During summer for the northern hemisphere it’s extremely quiet. Yes, it is winter in the southern but the vast majority of zwifters are based in the northern hemisphere

Yeah, i know a lot of zwifters in Sudan or Ruanda…lol

Yeah, Zwift will be leading for awhile.

In the past 2 years alone I’d say there have been a decent amount of features added. But if you’ve just joined in the last year or so I can see how it may be harder to see this price increase as justified

@@ZRaceCentral which features you mean?

@@DaveRider719holoreplays, video recording, more steering stuff, category enforcement, pace partners, etc

Enjoy

Found the Zwift executive!

@@VBL- the wrongess must be painful

It's not a burden; it's a hilariously misguided increase that renders the product even less valuable. Do you frame all financial decisions in such basic terms?

@@whatwelearned The “basic terms” is the only way to contrast the mass exodus and outcry everyone’s having over it. Then an entire video to outline a marginal increase only to serve as a platform for people to get animated over said increase? That’s really the hilariously misguided part. Maybe i’m just easily annoyed. To be fair, i’m not an accountant for the Zwift corporation but I can only imagine the determination of this increase is justified. It’s as if every subscription service hits this point..

And its even 0,007 € / hour! So any price change at all! 🤦

Trainerroad I presume?

Ive been enjoying the climbing routes on rouvy. Although it definitely is different than the open world of zwift

Not only am I leaving Zwift, I just cancelled an order for a Zwift trainer.

Yeah who would complain about such a good thing right? Let them go to 100 month sir in with you Suarez 😂

lol

It really depends on what you are looking for in Zwift. for my usecase, there is no app that rivals it yet. However, some only use it to track their data so a free app is plenty

Hope you can find a platform that suits your needs

Hope you enjoy the other platforms 👍

Yeah indievelo doesn’t seem like the most sustainable business but for Zwift to add indievelo to their platform would be pretty unlikely imo because it would probably require a buy out and it wouldn’t make the most sense since the riders switching to indievelo are more part of the racing demographic while Mywhoosh is going to have more riders of a similar riding lifestyle to Zwift

Yeah sorry that wasn’t the best way to put it. The features just haven’t been the ones that the vast majority of users have been requesting over the years. All of the features do have their use cases but there are other valid long standing requests that really haven’t been fulfilled or acknowledged

Indievelo is a hard one since it’s only a few developers working on the platform, so I’d expect some sort of charge coming soon. MyWhoosh seems to have a lot of funding from external sources, so they may be able to do without charging for awhile.

@@ZRaceCentral Very true. MyWhoosh is basically underwritten by the UAE Government. Sooner or later that will have to end. IndieVelo is basically the RGT team and they have some funding. IndieVelo is also more oriented towards e-racing and that's a limited audience.

Yeah, riding on Zwift is definitely safer than heading out on the roads. As a side note, Indievelo does offer virtual shifting too (not sure how good it is compared to Zwift’s but it works with just a keyboard and any trainer)

@@ZRaceCentral yes I have Zwift one and use manual shifting and virtual shifting and the same time during my rides on indievelo. Works really good. Huge fan of virtual shifting. This is the best feature zwift has so far for me. I also bought the zwift play controller for changing gears and braking. This is what I am missing on the other platforms.

Moi 🙂

same, not paying this price, forget.

Looks like you have your answer…

yes me 🙂

Sorry will keep in mind for future

Also, watch clipping on your mic. Not trying to pile on!

Lol

That is a decent point, but what makes this different is that there IS a free alternative to receiving a similar thing. You can’t exactly get coffee for free. For a lower cost certainly but it’s never free. If cyclists could go to a cafe that gave free coffee im sure they would…

@@ZRaceCentral My bet is, the currently free platforms are bankrolled by investors and eventually will have to start charging in one form or another. IMO

Totally agree. I'd pay even more been game changer for me. They've been adding stuff I'm happy and more to come. Tried other platforms, they're buggy immature and crash. Dread to see what will happen with UCI choosing MyWoosh, hope it doesn't crash mid-championships.

Actually, at a certain age (ahem), you can get free coffee at McDonalds. Doesn’t mean people won’t still pay for Starbucks or whatever!

I’m on the same boat. Ride on!

Depends how much you use your set up. Some just have their subscriptions going and use it once a month.

@@ZRaceCentral I think not only how often but what you are doing. I think racing on zwift is still the best option because of the huge user base. Group Rides too. but free rides, workout and configuring bots you can use the other platforms. I ride indoor nearly daily because of my structured workout

Yeah, I do still think how often is a way that helps people justify the cost. If you ride once it’s 20 bucks for that one ride. However, if you ride daily it’s less then a dollar

I would agree. For my use case zwift remains 👑