Pleas look at the series the Terror. A rely good series with a loot of accuret parts even if a few horror elements is in it to.

I would say that it would have been possible for the French to accept an American built warship in lieu of a loan repayment or repayments. The US, at that time, still owed France money from the Revolution.

This movie is an absolute masterpiece. Correcting any false information, I gave on it was the responsible thing to do. Plus, it gave the great opportunity to meet Lando.

Agree to the highest extent on all your points 👏🙌

Ironically put.

Also if hold on to a cannonball…

He did disapprove of Hollum trying to be overly friendly with the crew though. If you remember when they sang the se chanty and Hollum tried to join in he was less than happy about it while the doctor complimented his voice. It's an issue today as it was then, fraternization is frowned upon between officers and troops in any military service.

@@fighterck6241 especially in the Royal Navy of the 18th century

@@fighterck6241 I used to work on cargo ships, and that's one thing that did irritate me as an unlicensed mariner, i.e., not an officer. I liked working and socializing with friendly officers, but I resented when they treated me too familiarly or included me in upper deck drama. Officers' affairs are neither my business nor my responsibility, and they should not be involving me in it. The last thing I need is to be shoved in the middle of a dispute between two officers because they put me on their side of the social line.

They did exactly that in the movie

@@cleverusername9369 hiding their guns by looking like they were hiding a lack of guns.

That was not an ordinary seaman. That was a Midshipman, a Junior Officer doing his duty in time of war .

The sailor was flogged because he deliberately showed disrespect towards that midshipman (who had noticed but not reacted) - this incident was followed by a intense argument between the captain and the surgeon (really worth watching) about discipline and the literal sense of discipline aboard his Majesty's ships.

@@magpie6126 WE DON'T NOT HAVE TIME FOR YOUR DAMNED HOBBIES, SIR. Aubrey's rage was palpable, yet his manners are unfaltering.

A ton of ships were built for other countries and especially in the UK at that time. They built ships for Japan (until Kongo), some for Germany, for the CSA, for Spain, South America... And thats just the capital ships. So "no war ships built for foreign countries" is really far fetched.

Yes, the CSA even fitted them out on sea a few times since the were under a union blockade

And right now there are submarines for Israel being build in Germany (3 additional subs were ordered this week and 6 already build and in Israeli use)

With all due respect, only Kongo herself was built in the UK, she was then sailed to Japan with the blueprints where her three sisters were then built.

Interesting choice of name

That still remains my one major annoyance with this movie in terms of historical accuracy (not that it detracts from my enjoyment). The 44 gun frigates of that style were so uniquely American that it doesn't make any sense for France to have one, especially when the two countries had close ties so it wouldn't have been a capture. France didn't need any 44 gun frigates of that type, they were made specifically because the early US couldn't afford to build a navy of man o' wars and frigates, plus smaller ships, that was the custom at the time, so they created a hybrid of sorts that could beat any frigate it encountered but was fast enough to escape action with the massive man o' wars. I suppose it would be possible to come up with a very specific excuse to justify it in the movie but they didn't so it always rankles me when I watch it.

@@awilk418 Sorry, you may be taken in a bit by US historic bias. Both the Royal Navy and the French Navy had heavy frigates and particularly the French experimented with that and had 40-50 gun frigates in the 1790s. The very reason why the Royal Navy went with smaller standard 32-38 gun frigates in numbers was because they needed such numbers to address all their naval commitments. The very reason the French throughout the entire 18th and 19th century went with often heavier gunned ships than the British was that they could not match British numbers so tried to built their ships heavier to beat the standard British ship (though given the numbers the British countered that mainly by razeeing bigger ships of the line that were pulled out of the line due to age or as caütires to plug the gap So France did not only need heavy frigates, it built them first and for similar reasons the US navy did. Obviously the Constitution class frigates represent the pinnacle of heavy frigate design with certain expensive and unique aspects to be the best they can. So obviously that style is unique, however one could have easily adapted it to the British frigate being a smaller frigate running into a French heavy frigate or razee. Main point: Not just the US had the idea to build ships with something between 40-50 guns and saw an advantage to have a heavy brawler capable to mess up smaller standard frigates

@@mangalores-x_x I spoke badly I admit, I was aware that the concept of a heavy frigate was not original to the US, however I had only ever heard them referred to as deemed not worth it by European powers. Admittedly I am not highly educated on the French naval fleet of the period and I may have made an assumption that they were designed virtually identical to the English fleet at the time and had similar results with the concept. I appreciate the information though. I wish they had just described it as a French heavy frigate built in France in the movie then and not mentioned it being American built at all since that seems much more plausible.

@@awilk418 it was originally to be an American ship, but changed to French because they thought American audiences wouldn’t like it. That’s why it ended up as an American-built frigate in French hands.

So did I, ha ha ha.

So far, I have been blessed with a very positive community and I am absolutely grateful for it.

@@sailorvince6442 we are all feeling the love!

The US build slavers definitly didnt outgun the west africa squadron. The US didnt gave the heavy frigattes to slavers and the slaver didnt use heavy frigattes to transport slaves. In the space one gun takes they could cram 10 or more slaves, so more guns means less profit, total unamerican. They used clippers build in the US, to outrun the royal navy, one of these clippers, captured by the RN was the most sucsessfull slaver hunter. Maturin was official the ships doctor, not a guest, Aubrey hired him as his ships doctor

@@wolf310ii That Baltimore Clipper - Black Joke fought heavier armed ships frequently enough, notably Spanish like the Marinerito. West Africa Squadron was very small initially and poorly equipped. There battles against the heavier armed ships made the London papers frequently. Lots of slavers were indeed small and lightly armed, but by no means all. The Surprise had a doctor, Maturin was a friend, a spy, naturalist and scientist - and a much better doctor than the ships one. At least in the books.

@@HankD13 Still, none of the slavers outguned the WAS and none of the ships the HMS Black Joke fought or captured was a heavy frigatte or even a frigatte. Even the much larger East Indiamen didnt outgun a RN 5th rate frigatte unless they were bought by the RN and rebuild and rearmed as a 4th rate ship. But if, like you say, the US build lots heavy frigattes for slavers, name only one. If the slavers could outgun the WAS, they wouldnt need ships that could outrun them and the WAS wouldnt had captured 1600 of them. In the books Maturin is since the HMS Sophie the offical ships doctor, paid by the RN. Guest didnt get paid. The "ships doctor" the Surprise already had, was Maturins assistant. Only on the very first voyage, Maturin was a guest.

Funny thing is, right from day 1 of the Articles of Confederation basically, the US has been in the racket of building ships for other nations. Heck even during the US Civil War the Union was still building ships for foreign navies like the Italians, a state of the art ironclad warship that was oddly enough, basically superior to anything the Union or Confederacy had at the time. Only a somewhat recent-ish trend to not be doing that, as opposed to what the US tends to do now, selling old hulls to minor allied nations like Greece. Though the Japanese Government has been wanting to buy some of the aging US 7th Fleet Carriers for a long time.

In addition, at that time, it was common to use captured ships as well.

And they called it out as a privateer repeatedly. They even had a scene dedicated to teaching the audience what a privateer was. These guys get no points for observational skills.

@@Ryvaken Yeah the more I watch this channel the more I notice that tendency.

To be fair to them, it makes sense when you're looking at it in a modern perspective. The tendency that existed in centuries prior to have your navy built by a foreign power is considered almost unthinkable nowadays. Though the trend does continue with the likes of Aircraft, Tanks, Body Armor, Guns, etc. In particular because both Post WW2 and Post Cold War there was such a huge glut of naval vessels that were no longer considered necessary that instead of people contracting the US, British, etc, to build a new ship, well they can just buy one off the back of the old war. Such as the Aregentine Flagship in the Falkland War which was the former USS Phoenix if I remember? Old WW2 cruiser they had bought off America at any point. It's one of those things that's hard for people to wrap their minds around because it's so bizarrely out of character to the world that they know. Particularly for the French post WW2, where part of their economic plans post war for the recovery was to rebuild and focus on being a creator and exporter of military hardware. From building their own navy back up, to new Tanks, Guns, Planes, etc.

First comment was Moist

Btw the title is quite exaggerated, your first video quite good overall, it was based on your experience so don’t say that you were « completely wrong », say that you didn’t have the historical knowledge

Add one more to the count ;)

The old Nelson's Bridge

​@@cleverusername9369Possibly the only example in Naval history?

Acheron. She was a French privateer. Named after one of the five rivers of hades from greek mythology.

In the book it was also a smaller frigatte. Actually they took very little from the book, mainly the title and the chase of an ship into the pacific to protect the whalers, the majority of the movie is based on the other (20) books. AFAIK in the book The far side of the World, there is no sea battle, but a land battle, they dot catch up to the ship they chasing until it sinks in a storm

@@herrskeletal3994 The ship as described in the movie is very much a Constitution class frigate.

They grabbed bits and pieces from several different books. Technically the Acheron in the movie would be an American frigate like the Constitution. Those vessels were built of exceptional wood available in North America and to carry a significantly heavier weight of the typical English or French frigate. Basically she could outgun and outlast any other frigate she encountered and out sail the large first rate ships of the line who could crush her.

@@mathiasbartl9393 yes, but the concept of the movie, ie Aubrey chasing a ship, is from the book "Far Side of the World" where Aubrey pursued the fictional smaller frigate USS Norfolk.

He's the same carpenter who restored the figurehead, so he's skilled in fine work.

Dry out the flags is a side effect, they set every cloth they had to catch even the slightest gust of wind to get out of the doldrums.

That would work if the French had ever been at war with the USA. Pressing captured vessels into service was done by all of the major naval powers of the Napoleonic period. Several ships exchanged hands more than once. HMS Speedy, for example, was captured by the French and then recaptured and then captured again by the French. The second time occurred whilst she was under the command of Thomas Cochrane on whom Jack Aubry is based. In the novels, Speedy is the model for his first ship - HMS Sophie.

Exactly. Like the USS Delaware, which was captured by the Royal Navy and taken into service as a sixth rate.

I second this. Probably his best work. He’s a good storyteller and it is a darn good store.

Absolutely, it's on the list.

@@sailorvince6442 the guy has a video of master and commander too

Watch the actual show, it's on Hulu

Navy Ships being built in the US rather than the country they would serve in is an interesting question. This is actually kind of interesting as a fallout of Barbary Coast Piracy. Before US ships and sailors were being captured and killed/enslaved by the Pirates of Algeria, most in the US believed that the US didn't NEED a navy in the slightest. That it was an extravagant waste of money. However the horror to the population of the US, when the US went to negotiate releases and a cessation of Hostilities, the Algerian government basically say: "The will of the prophet is that all infidels should be killed or enslaved. We have a holy mandate to war, and we won't stop". This created a boom in shipbuilding for the US. Finding a particular species of Live Oak in the US, the harvesting and planting of it as this renowned tough wood that surpassed the quality of timbers being used by other naval powers. There was a lot of difficulties in bootstrapping a naval industry out of basically nothing, limiting the size of vessels the US could build, as well as initial delays, etc. But American Frigates gained prominence when they did eventually sail and absolutely spanked the Barbary Pirates, a plague on European Trade for centuries at this point. (And one of the reasons why the US Marine Corps anthem includes the lines "To the shores of Tripoli" as the war against the pirates is something most people forget, but was very critical for building up the US as a power). This create the surge in US Naval building, particularly after the War of 1812 where famously US Frigates absolutely humiliated the British in battle, from the exploits of John Paul Jones (Look him up, he's awesome to be sure), to the famous battle of the USS Constitution where she got the name "Old Ironsides" due to her seeming immunity to the British guns. After that came an era of the US building ships with the now booming Live Oak industry that had cropped up to build that navy, and a desire for smaller, lighter ships that were capable of battle on the level of usually larger, more expensive ships as the frigates Constitution and United States had (real "bang for your buck" value as it were compared to triple deck ships of the line). This would continue even past the age of wooden ships and sails, as Ironsides took over and the US was building new state of the art iron and steel warships for nations that didn't want to deal with the other big contractor of ships for your nation's navy, the British. Italy, the Ottoman Empire, France, Spain, had all ended up purchasing US warships built specifically for them. It really only stopped as a practice to build ships for foreign nations in World War 2. Even up to the outbreak of war there was building of naval warships for other nations. Such as the infamous coastal battleships that Britain built for Scandinavian nations (With a rider clause on the contract saying they basically got to steal them back if war ever broke out). Even to a somewhat interesting point where in the first half of the 20th century the British in particular were often building ships with better designs than they were giving to their own navy (As happens to anything from the Kongo Class to a lot of the cruisers they built under commission).

It is indeed a great movie!

Acheron is also modeled on the Constitution-class frigates which were remarkably heavily built for their size and speed, and if he'd seen her frames they would have appeared distinctive and memorable.

I figured he spent some time in Boston, as it was noted in the movie he was there for his wedding, and might have observed her being built over many days or even weeks. If he'd had a room overlooking the shipyard, he might have even sketched her.

Indeed, according to the book the Surprise herself was captured from the French.