Everything Wrong With Black Panther: Wakanda Forever in 21 Minutes or Less
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Жыл бұрынBlack Panther: Wakanda Forever is the follow up to the smash hit original Black Panther film. It has some great action and deep emotion... and a heaping pile of sins.
Thursday: animated adventure sins.
Remember, no movie is without sin. Which movie's sins should we count next?
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@vastotales4431 Жыл бұрын
That Chadwick Boseman Tribute opening was the quietest you ever felt in a movie. You felt the emotions in the room at the time.
@patrickspencer6550 Жыл бұрын
You know, they used it in 2020 on Disney+ for the first film.
@multiverse_media2023 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickspencer6550 Because that very same year he passed away. In the worst year of all time… we lost our King. 😢😢😢
@thecunninlynguist Жыл бұрын
I saw it twice in a packed theater and it was quiet as a mouse.
@juicebocx4217 Жыл бұрын
Just like the Paul walker tribute
@oompie815 Жыл бұрын
@@multiverse_media2023 'Our king'? You people need to go out more.
@geekroom2365 Жыл бұрын
Didnt realize shuri's last words to her mom was her jokingly hanging up on her in a crisis. That...hits differently now.
@hiccuphufflepuff176 Жыл бұрын
Technically her last words to her were "love you, bye" so it could have been worse. At least she didn't say anything cruel or get into an argument.
@geekroom2365 Жыл бұрын
@Hiccup Hufflepuff could have been worse, yea, but definitely not optimal
@MelodicTurtleMetal Жыл бұрын
@@geekroom2365 Her last words contained i love you - pretty optimal last words
@user-KNP13 11 ай бұрын
At least it wasn't about Billy Joel
@geekroom2365 11 ай бұрын
@@user-KNP13 I understood that reference
@chrish3126 Жыл бұрын
Angela Bassetts emotional speech about losing her family while stripping Okoye of her rank gave me chills and really proves what a powerhouse of an actor she is. I was so pissed when they killed her off.
@mahwenjin3231 Жыл бұрын
But it is still stupid.
@Peanut_Buster90 Жыл бұрын
@Mah Wen Jin they put Angela Bassett in the Avenger's Endgame credits, but not Edward Norton's Hulk which IS canon to the movies. Woke Hollywood is dumb
@OceansOfMotionStudios Жыл бұрын
@Swol Winchester Ed Norton was also known for being difficult to work with on multiple projects, including Hulk. There was a reason Disney didn't wanna work with Norton after the film came out and it had little to do with wokeness.
@penuelodiaka6359 11 ай бұрын
@@Peanut_Buster90 Why would Edward Norton have to be credited for Avengers Endgame anyway? He wasn't in it
@bootneyfarnsworth2844 11 ай бұрын
Angela Bassett was in Avengers: Endgame
@thepearsonfinest Жыл бұрын
Im actually surprised he didnt say anything about Shuri's talk with Killmonger. I thought that was a great scene showing how her heart felt at that moment, mirroring Killmonger.
@cheese9466 Жыл бұрын
If its a great scene then why would it be sinned?
@rachelwingard88 Жыл бұрын
@@cheese9466 no he probably would've had to remove a sin for it so yeah idk why he didn't include it it was the best part of the movie imo
@miguelpinheiro6042 Жыл бұрын
This felt kinda rushed, maybe they forgot it. To be fair, the movie is not that great, but that scene may be its best part
@sofiacarvajal8545 Жыл бұрын
@rachelwingard88 totally agree, it was the best part of the movie. I came to the comments to say I missed the sin removal on the video. It was worth 5 sins off imo... that's how great that scene is. It does a splendid job using a very important plot point of the first movie to accomplish many things: Subvert expectations , show how consumed was Shuri by pain and hatred, present a totally different Black Panther than the one we were expecting, show how different Shuri and T'Chala are... I remember being at the cinema and feeling actual chills when I heard "little cousin". Well done.
@thgnotorious Жыл бұрын
it was a great scene, which is probably why he didn't say anything 😭
@Moola868 Жыл бұрын
17:40 This sin could just as easily be "Black Panther movie doesn't Black Panther until there is only 41 minutes left."
@gentblue Жыл бұрын
A black panter? Exhausted African man?
@rockb922 Жыл бұрын
Black Panther was never in the movie. Just Shuri in a Black Panther suit.
@nailinthefashion Жыл бұрын
@@gentblue listen, that was good, a great joke, even--
@Wymorence Жыл бұрын
Hysterically it's also a BP origin story after we got a BP origin story.
@ManinaCAGE Жыл бұрын
Should have gave it a original name instead of a sequel something similar like "black pants turd" would fit.
@MarkERoth Жыл бұрын
11:09 Namor was the first character to be called a mutant in Marvel comics. Its very fitting for the character to be the first to actually use the word mutant and the first to identify as one since he was born a mutant and not altered after birth like everyone else we've seen in the MCU.
@gentblue Жыл бұрын
The books don't matter - we are watching a movie!
@MarkERoth Жыл бұрын
@gentblue the scene is just an Easter egg. Marvel could have just continued to call them "powered individuals" or "mutations" but chose to finally use a word that fans have been wanting to hear for years in an mcu production
@mathisalexander2446 Жыл бұрын
It was actually in ms. Marvel first but yeah lol
@MarkERoth Жыл бұрын
@@mathisalexander2446 she was called a mutation not a mutant
@3r1kofficial Жыл бұрын
@@MarkERoth and it was immediately followed by the stinger of the 90's X-Men theme. Safe to say then that it was Marvel calling her a mutant.
@dylanchilders Жыл бұрын
Being a college student living in a prison cell of a dorm, yeah I was pissed at how pristine Riris dorm was
@madi7178 Жыл бұрын
Took me right out of the movie, it was ridiculous
@Davidsworldtravels Жыл бұрын
It was bigger than my first apartment. My dorm could not have fit a woman wielding a full length spear and waving it around.
@UncleJimmi_ID Жыл бұрын
I thought that too at first, but turns out that scene was filmed in an actual dorm at MIT. The building is called Simmons Hall, it's insane
@n0dash18 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if she lives in one of those rich/smart person college dorms. I also wonder if there’s a such thing as a “rich/smart person college dorm,” or if that’s just something I made up and am just assuming exists.
@officerspooder Жыл бұрын
@@n0dash18 it absolutely exist pal, aswell as dorms less than the size of a taco bell bathroom
@courtneythompson6179 Жыл бұрын
Glad you brought up how manipulative Namor is and that he in fact kidnapped Shuri. That man is unhinged. The fact he killed her mom, I don’t understand the appeal of shipping them.
@bluefiremarkii Жыл бұрын
Out of all the villains in the mcu Namor deserved to die with most of them. It's crazy that anyone thinks he should live. Even at the end of the movie he is STILL plotting to attack the surface world. He wants to kill everyone on earth for some oppression that isn't happening anymore..
@darrylehm Жыл бұрын
He didn't kidnap her at all--Shuri demanded to go to Talokan, and Attuma did as she demanded. He wasn't "unhinged"--he witnessed European colonialism give way to racial capitalism and extractivism, and he wasn't going to be colonized or exploited. K'uk'ulkan is actually the only person in the film with an even remotely logical position--and the only reason he attacked Wakanda is because Ramonda launched a covert op into Talokan and killed a Talokanii national first. Ramonda died because she was the one who committed an act of war; after she died, K'uk'ulkan retreated and gave Wakanda the chance to prevent further bloodshed. It's not especially complicated.
@isaiaholaru5013 Жыл бұрын
@@darrylehm Correct
@plumeria1985 Жыл бұрын
@@darrylehm ...did they not attack wakanda's princess and soldiers while she was in the middle of securing a person that they *blackmailed* her into getting?
@darrylehm Жыл бұрын
@@plumeria1985 the person they were trying to smuggle back to Wakanda without the Talokanii knowing? Yes. Attuma and Namora weren't there for Shuri or Okoye--which is why they didn't kill either of them when they had the chance.
@firstnamelastname7982 Жыл бұрын
I think the opening funeral scene was for later viewers who weren't aware of his health issues (think our kids watching these for the first time later in the years). It's just a way to help transition while still honoring him
@Lifeof728 Жыл бұрын
It's also necessary in the chronological context of the MCU. Imagine just starting off the movie like "welp he's dead" and then watching a few years from now after maybe watching civil war , no and then this. It would be abrupt AF without context.
@Lifeof728 Жыл бұрын
It also shows how long she had been working on that synthetic herb
@jon83chewy Жыл бұрын
@@Lifeof728 the problem was the time jump right after, not the actual funeral scene. Why couldn’t his death have been recent instead of arbitrarily jumping ahead
@Menthix Жыл бұрын
All right,but wasn't Tchalla dead for 5 years after the snap? I mean I'm sure they mourned him the first time, but the second time even harder? I don't think so.
@andreasmeelie1889 Жыл бұрын
I completely agree!😇
@LeviathanHamster Жыл бұрын
Surprised there wasn’t any mention of Killmonger’s appearance in the movie in the video. You would think such a big moment for Shuri’s character would be addressed.
@raelindsey8456 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking that
@the_real_beaker_ Жыл бұрын
maybe there were no sins!! haha
@lowhigh12341 Жыл бұрын
Shuri said she saw nothing soooooo it didn’t happen lol
@tedmoise1398 Жыл бұрын
@@the_real_beaker_ And thus, we should have gotten a reverse-sin-counter ding
@the_real_beaker_ Жыл бұрын
@@tedmoise1398 absolutely, it was a big moment in the movie
@PedroHenrique-fs6mn Жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with Namors motivation is, even if he killed the girl, what would that accomplish? The government probably already have an spare vibranium detector anyway, or at least the schematics
@SuperFabregas2 Жыл бұрын
One of like a billion problems with the movie
@silverhawk24 Жыл бұрын
People say wakanda forever was phase 4's best film, but I call bullshit on that. No movie "except No Way Home" was good whatsoever.
@Davidsworldtravels Жыл бұрын
Of course. That’s one of the lamest plot holes. She sent her design through her college. And all the people who actually built the thing.
@Mizzraim Жыл бұрын
@@silverhawk24 I wouldn't say No Way Home was much better.
@silverhawk24 Жыл бұрын
@@Mizzraim ok fair enough! I thought it was decent tho, but i think far from home was a little bit better
@MrTooner13 Жыл бұрын
When I saw this movie in theaters there was some murmuring throughout it, but when Ramonda chewed out Okoye the room went dead silent, and I thought "damn that's some excellent acting."
@Haaris.Qureshi Жыл бұрын
Seeing Shuri fail to save her brother and how poorly she deals with that is kind of the tentpole of her arc - if we didn’t see that, it would break the ‘show don’t tell rule’. That’s why we start with the funeral.
@tariqthomas9090 Жыл бұрын
Yeah that was definitely one of the most forced sins they’ve ever done. It should have been obvious why we started with the funeral.
@mf_dva Жыл бұрын
Not only that but it was to respect and do right by Chadwick. Imagine the outcry of disrespect if this was like most movies and they only just casually mentioned that he died early on.
@British_Rogue Жыл бұрын
@@tariqthomas9090 The sin was more to do with the time skip of a year after the funeral.
@jon83chewy Жыл бұрын
But the problem wasn’t the showing of the funeral, it was the time jump right after. What purpose does it serve to skip ahead a year instead of experiencing what she feels while her brothers death is still recent.
@zippers987 Жыл бұрын
@@jon83chewy because as nice as it would be for a two hour long film to deal with fresh grief, movies gotta movie, so we transition to a year later where we see that she is still actively grieving
Жыл бұрын
Literally laughed out loud at "unexpected wildlife." Great writing.
@jenniferc8913 Жыл бұрын
I love the connection between Okoye chastening RiRi about saving herself with a heater when they first encounter each other, and it coming full circle in her methodology to weakening Namor.
@Katteyezz Жыл бұрын
Damn it did didn't it!😮
@moonprincesst.s.h.4ever115 Жыл бұрын
I love the "Fenty 440" joke. I would totally believe that if Rihanna wrote that joke cause into her contract when she decided to sing "Lift Me Up" for the soundtrack.
@mmmahh9056 Жыл бұрын
Rest in peace Chadwick Boseman, you will forever be remembered as Black Panther! ❤
@frankunodostres473 Жыл бұрын
his performance in Da 5 bloods is much better. that is what he should be remembered for
@jimtierrank3542 Жыл бұрын
Wakanda Forever
@ant9500 Жыл бұрын
@@frankunodostres473 I actually saw that in the movies… predictable plot but he was top notch!
@josiahirvin9467 Жыл бұрын
@@frankunodostres473 9
@salamisumo2 10 ай бұрын
@@frankunodostres473C’mon, Frank. That’d be like saying Christopher Reeve shouldn’t be remembered for Superman, his acting in The Remains of the Day was his finest.
@pvpdavidlul9049 Жыл бұрын
“Oh sh*t, she’s got an Ironman suit” You can’t deny that is a funny line
@bossshun9 Жыл бұрын
That line is still funny. 😂😂
@World_One_Productions Жыл бұрын
3:12 They used the different colors and fonts to denote when characters were speaking different languages, neither of them English. When Nakia is trying to find Namor, she first speaks to the old woman in the village in her own language (Spanish, I believe), but then switches to ancient Mayan to convince her she knows who and what she's looking for.
@Nymaz Жыл бұрын
5:15 Why is Shuri needed to talk to Ross? Well, she *is* the one that directly saved his life and had the most (and most positive) interaction with him. It's likely her presence was necessary to subtly remind Ross of his feelings of debt to Wakanda.
@mikeljackson9192 Жыл бұрын
They also needed to ask Ross about the “American scientist” that invented a vibranium detector for the CIA and he’s IN the CIA. They didn’t know it was a college kid yet
@dday906 Жыл бұрын
Angela Bassett's performance in this movie....God tier. And, of course, R.I.P. Chadwick Boseman. Thank you for your contributions to the arts.
@chasehedges6775 Жыл бұрын
The honoring Chadwick and Angels Basset’s performance are the only good things in this mediocre movie
@jeffreyval9665 Жыл бұрын
You mistake complete mediocrity with God tier?? Gtfoh!!
@chasehedges6775 Жыл бұрын
@Disabled.Megatron👍👍
@frankunodostres473 Жыл бұрын
however it pisses me off that she will go down in history as the first (and so far only) actor to get nominated for a mcu film. all I'm saying is RDJ, michael keaton, elizabeth olson or tom holland also deserved some recognition
@jeffreyval9665 Жыл бұрын
@frank unodostres recognition for what?? These are garbage movies with nothing even close to good acting. Anything totally reliant on cgi and with horrible storylines shouldn't even be considered actual moviemaking. These are some of the worst acted things in history.
@SgtSupaman Жыл бұрын
You say we all knew T'Challa would be dead, so the funeral was unnecessary, but, right after Chadwick Boseman's death, Marvel was saying they would not kill off T'Challa. I think the plan was more to have him go missing for some reason or another and for Shuri to just have to step up as Black Panther while he was gone (this kind of thing happens in the comics). So I actually was surprised when they showed funeral scenes in the teasers leading up to the movie's release. Also, a movie can be around for much longer than the people that would remember that an actor died between the original and the sequel. So, it would have seemed a huge oversight to anyone that didn't know the meta reason why T'Challa had to die.
@bobblebardsley Жыл бұрын
Yeah I think it would have been more of a sin to start this movie with a silent Chadwick Boseman Marvel logo and then the first scene of the movie be "well he's dead, so here we go..." and make nothing of it. Especially for the really emotionally invested fans, this movie felt like a helping hand to process the grief. (And before anyone says it's pathetic to feel that strongly for an actor/character, it's just human, like caring about a particular sports team or your friends who aren't blood relatives. Pretty much everyone has *something* they care about, outside of their immediate family etc.)
@Svol09 Жыл бұрын
@@bobblebardsley either if they buried him or not he was going to sin it....it's called entertainment... The movie was a pack of horse manure and even if the first one was sht too this somehow managed to make it worse.
@KhanMann66 Жыл бұрын
It’s goes completely against what the original film set up. The Black Panther is title that should be inherited through combat not by blood. Sheri had no right to be the next black panther. Just another case of Marvel going woke.
@knightmare5097 Жыл бұрын
@@KhanMann66 His death was sudden, and not through combat. Not only that, but the whole country was in mourning, especially after the death of the queen. I don’t think there’d be an issue in allowing Shuri as the BP
@Chopperwocky Жыл бұрын
T’Challa did not have to die.They could have recast.
@touremuhammad5983 Жыл бұрын
I just realized something: The Vibranium in Talokan comes from the famous Yucatán Meteor Impact that created the underwater cave systems called the Cenotés. Clever.
@questionmaker5666 6 ай бұрын
Wouldn't that mean most of the Vibranium would be on land.
@Osfrie Жыл бұрын
Mbaku(?) wasn't "surprised" to see the fish man. He was keen to try and take him down, prove his strength, etc.
@km4587 Жыл бұрын
Why didn't the fish people just siren song their way to victory in the final battle? It seemed to work every other time so why not do that? The Wakanda army definitely didn't pack ear plugs for the battle so it should have been an easy W.
@ThomasdWell Жыл бұрын
This is why it should have been putting people to sleep instead of suicide
@KhanMann66 Жыл бұрын
Because plot.
@kurtisdeakin Жыл бұрын
One more plot hole in a weak story full of "'member this?" and "STUFF! THINGS!!!".
@A.F.Whitepigeon Жыл бұрын
Why would you thingk they didn't pack earplugs? They all saw the siren thing working before, and they surely have some sort of super-vibranium-earplugs. They'd be stupid not to bring them.
@rinuchiha6961 Жыл бұрын
Shuri and Riri(especially her) would've had a backup. Not to mention that Talakun or however you spell it did try it on Wakanda but that planned failed. Not to mention that they were hyped up on revenge. But why siren song people when you have the literal home field advantage
@sammonroe882 Жыл бұрын
Riri acknowledging that a member of the Wakandan royalty, a celebrity, a superhero and a personal hero of hers in shuri is in her room, then proceeding to threaten her with various objects and hand-waving away that this person is also telling her she is in danger.. that was a pretty big sin to me.. especially since we are meant to believe she is an unparalleled genius after that...
@k7l3rworkman97 5 ай бұрын
Right? How tf is she gonna be any version of IronMan? She doesn’t stand for shit… she didn’t mean shit to this entire movie…
@MegaZeo Жыл бұрын
Wow, absolutely no commentary on Shuri's vision with Killmonger? I'm legitimately shocked. Even if the logic is "Well, it was an awesome scene, so it has no sins" you think it would be a moment where Jeremy takes a sin (or more) back.
@phoenixdzk Жыл бұрын
Angela Bassett: gives one of the greatest performance of her life and establishes herself as the best character in the MCU Then immediately dies saving Ironheart (MCU quippy teenage genius number 5)
@Hanmacx Жыл бұрын
Also don't forget next Genius of Color MoonGirl
@ManinaCAGE Жыл бұрын
The best character in the mcu? 😂 I cant imagine the amount of bathsalts someone mother had to smoke while pregnant to birth a child that would think that, let alone make that statement.
@bulmabrief73 Жыл бұрын
"best character in the MCU" alright, calm down
@Jason-wp7ed Жыл бұрын
“The only thing I lost in Boston traffic is my patience” after all these years, y’all still got it, CinemaSins 😂
@The_Cowwwthem Жыл бұрын
Honestly same
@baileeharding8886 Жыл бұрын
I'm shocked Jeremy didn't mention the end credit scene or the fact that Killmonger showed up. This movie hit me hard, and I wasn't 100% ready for it when it came out. I was barely holding on before the end credit scene and that was enough to take me out
@Lucifer_Abysseum 9 ай бұрын
well would you say they are sins ? the point of the video is to point out sins, i would have been shocked if those scene appeared imo
@tiger7892 Жыл бұрын
The different colors of the subtitles easily convey to the viewer what language is being spoken. Watching the movie, this was a super easy concept to pick up on, not sure why you felt the need to sin it
@louisberry4403 Жыл бұрын
This did a nice tribute to T'Challa RIP Chadwick Boseman. Angela deserved a Oscar.
@lexcorpceo763 Жыл бұрын
It's still amazes me how damn good Angela Bassett is in her craft. I mean.. Damn. A powerful.. Powerful... Actress who commanded the screen everytime. Still sad that her and Chadwick couldn't share the screen again. A powerful actor gone too soon . Black panther movies have like the most amazing acting talent in any Marvel movies....
@roxyhayes1346 Жыл бұрын
I actually loved hearing Shuri and Okoye discussing makeup shade. Fenty started a cosmetic revolution by proving that if you provide the supply of diverse shades and undertones, people will buy it. There weren’t as many options beforehand and now nearly every brand is releasing products to compete. Fenty went through great pains to develop a formula that worked for everyone and it’s nice to see the gratefulness felt by many irl be acknowledged by two of the most powerful Black women in the MCU. ❤
@producerTJeski Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for removing a sin for the powerhouse performance that is Angela Bassett! She is incredible!
@pvpdavidlul9049 Жыл бұрын
One complaint of mine is how does a college student make a vibranium detector despite having no vibranium to test it on
@shilohmagic7173 Жыл бұрын
2:55 actually, it's not unnecessary. That is what siren song does.
@tefweebz Жыл бұрын
RIGHT?!!!😂😂
@BishopS Жыл бұрын
13:30 If I can't point you to a Marvel TV show, can I point you to the Black Widow after credits scene? Lol
@zom8680 Жыл бұрын
*kicks you in the testicles for smartassery* 😂
@BishopS Жыл бұрын
@@zom8680 🤣
@jazzomj Жыл бұрын
There definitely should’ve been sims removed for: - Nakia switching from Spanish to the indigenous language - Shuri seeing Killmonger - The costuming - And several more removed for the acting in the scene between the Queen and Okoye…🔥🔥🔥
@TriEssenceMartialArts Жыл бұрын
Huge fan of the channel for years, I would just like to point out that there are myth about Siren luring sailors into jumping into the ocean with their songs, so I guess the movie just wanted to mirror that story？
@JennaMac24 Жыл бұрын
Yep. That's why they didn't put them to sleep. That's not what sirens do.
@snoglin Жыл бұрын
finally found the comment I was looking for
@NarwahlGaming Жыл бұрын
Not to mention trying to lure super rich ducks. _"Pennies, nickles, quarters, dimes. Come to us while there's still time!"_ 30 years later and I still remember that chant. 😂
@donovan1345 Жыл бұрын
Should have sinned the scene where the fish guy throws a couple of small water grenades in a huge ass room, and it fills it up just enough to drown the Queen. Just curious how like 200,000 gallons of water could fit in those small ass grenades.
@ctakitimu Жыл бұрын
Considering how hard it is to compress water
@ariwong7961 Жыл бұрын
Namor literally has wings on his legs and you're wondering how water could fit in the grenades?? It's called a movie and not everything is realistic! Some things exist in the MCU that don't exist here and we don't need to try and rationalise EVERYTHING
@Tommy50377 Жыл бұрын
@@ariwong7961 There are certain levels of stupid one is willing to accept for fiction movies. That absurd quantity of water being able to be fucking carried by hand in a tiny grenade is far, far past the acceptable level of stupid.
@fumeck1674 Жыл бұрын
@@ariwong7961 Yes how does 200,000 gallons of water fit in a grenade and he be able to lift it? I'm sure if Sheri had said I am Black Iron Woman and snapped her fingers and all iron turned into vibranium, the Earth turning into an equitable socialist paradise, then the movie ended - you would have applauded and still said not everything has to be realistic. And little wings on his feet looks hella gay.
@cokesquirrel Жыл бұрын
Deus ex aqua grenade?
@LemonEditsAndReviews Жыл бұрын
I didn't think this movie was the worst but it definitely couldn't beat the first one
@ThePlasticBowl 10 ай бұрын
Yeah but in Marvel’s defense this was definitely not the Black Panther 2 they wanted to make baring the unfortunate passing of Chadwick. I’m sure they had a whole nother script written that had to be thrown out and this one had to be written from the ground up.
@Louis-wx1fo Жыл бұрын
No comments on Michael B Jordan or T'challas son ??? Wth
@isaiahpero7837 Жыл бұрын
Damn. I never realized it until now, but you're right: Those WERE the last words she said to her mother @ 14:41. Ouch 💔. As someone who lost both parents recently, that hurts a bit.
@rkah6187 11 ай бұрын
I am sorry for your loss.
@isaiahpero7837 11 ай бұрын
@@rkah6187 Thank you.
@RyanWood24 Жыл бұрын
I just want to know how deep that river in wakanda is for it to have whales transport the fish people and it go undetected in the most secure city in the world who just said to raise security because of Namor breaking in undetected the first time
@onemllnonetoone Жыл бұрын
That's a fair point, but I don't usually count things like that against world building or plot just because in this case we're immersed in fictional elements. Like, Wakanda doesn't exist. There are enormous mile wide, or absurdly deep, rivers in real life, the deepest of which is in Africa. Who's to say what the characteristics of this river is? The people of not-Atlantis-actually have advanced but undescribed Vibranium based technology as well, and built a clandestine civilization beneath the seas. Whose to say anti-sonar or whatever isn't trivial for them? Neither fictional superhero monarchy or its culture or history actually exists. Whose to say what strategies of established defense they've prioritized or developed? Of course, I do know what channel I'm on. 🤷♂️
@RyanWood24 Жыл бұрын
@@onemllnonetoone I’m just saying, if I just pissed off a bunch of people that live in the water, I’m gonna make sure that the one way they can possibly come in is blocked by a shield or heavily guarded 🤷♂️ Especially since how paranoid they are about outsiders coming into wakanda. It just makes zero sense and a guy who sat down and watched the movie can easily think of a way to stop it, the most scientifically advanced society in the world should be able to
@onemllnonetoone Жыл бұрын
@@RyanWood24 Again, not arguing that isn't a fair point, we're just imagining reasonable, or unreasonable things however we want that could have been done. Like, think about the real world; what type of submersibles could a Wakanda possibly have to worry about in their rivers? Some sonar and some guns was probably all they needed until a fishman popped out of a lake and told them they have an army of unknown size, armaments, and abilities to worry about. If the queen gave you a week to defend Wakanda's waterways from invasion, and sonar evidently didn't work, whatcha gonna do? Dam an apparently enormous river system and flood the place? Cut off the freshwater supply to a major city? Setup a checkpoint that can be overwhelmed or subverted offscreen? Or maybe you're right and nothing was done, because it's a movie where if it isn't explicitly described it doesn't exist. 🤷♂️
@onemllnonetoone Жыл бұрын
@@katanaryo6718 I truly don't remember the whales in the rivers. Yada yada, something something, giant whale rebreathers or whatever. Lmao. Anyway, whales breathe air. Saltwater has nothing to do with it.
@bluefiremarkii Жыл бұрын
There was literally a line stating reinforce the shield underwater. But then they just get through so unbelievably easily that border patrol never even saw them? No alerts that the barrier was damaged or gone, no surveillance underwater, nothing.
@E-Man08 Жыл бұрын
15:29 Anderson cooper being cannon in the MCU makes me wonder if he was in Sokovia to report on Ultron
@cyb11114 Жыл бұрын
Aneka is great and deserves to be a bigger part of this movie !!! Yes!! She was wonderful!! And a good part of the movie
@Paulohs699 Жыл бұрын
20:22 this type of houses are very stable because the river is calm most of the time, these houses exist in several places and only in cases of extreme storms and floods are they washed away by the river
@donovan1345 Жыл бұрын
My biggest gripe about the movie was the Queen's emotional decisions. She's like, "My whole family is dead." Yet she knows about T'challa's son that's been kept secret. Made all her ranting and bickering, useless film filler. She lost her husband in the last movie, and she was stoic. She thought she lost her son, she was sad, but still proud and stoic. Like a Queen would be. But in this movie, she lashes out, becomes vengeful against people that's not even at fault, and does stupid decisions, to a point of, her death and the deaths of countless Wakandans. Makes her a terrible queen. And why they couldn't stop one flying man is just stupid as well. This movie nerfed the hell out of the Wakandans's superior technology and fighters.
@kjmwale8328 Жыл бұрын
Bro, who the actual fuck stays "stoic" when literally they keep losing loved ones?! And the line is "my entire family is GONE!" dumbass. I'll admit the movie has writing problems, but that scene was one of the scariest and saddest things I heard. Not only that, she actively questioning her own decisions and whether if the cost to her family was actually worth it. "I am queen of the most powerful nation in the world, but my entire family... is gone! "Have I not given everything?!"
@jaakumitsukai8682 Жыл бұрын
My biggest gripe with this movie is that the latter half just feels like a shittier version of T'challa's journey in Civil War. Like a lot of the story beats are very similar if not exactly the same, a quick example being, Parent is killed, child is out for revenge, gives up on revenge at the last minute. T'challa did it way better in Civil War. Feels like as brilliant of a T'challa that Chadwick portrayed they should have just recast the role instead of changing the entire movie and handing us this hot mess. The acting was great, Angela Bassett's performance literally gave me chills, it's the poor, rushed writing that lets it down majorly, from the hamfisted inclusion of Riri Williams to Shuri being Black Panther (Should have been either Okoye or M'Baku, Shuri is more tech savvy, more of a Wakandan Iron-Man, she simply doesn't have the skills to go toe to toe with Namor) . Just overall a Mid movie, wasn't She-Hulk levels of terrible but wasn't the Masterpiece most people seem to believe it is. Meh/10
@brunozeigerts6379 Жыл бұрын
In the comics, Namor was stronger than The Thing from Fantastic Four and almost on par with Thor and the Hulk.
@johnpotts8308 Жыл бұрын
You would imagine that in Wakanda (a quasi utopian society) people might start to question whether an absolutist monarchy is the best form of rule after not just Queen Ramonda's questionable decisions but the whole of the first Black Panther movie where the only way to depose Killmonger as King was to incite a Civil War! Yet there is no consideration of reforming the constitution of Wakanda at any point (you could still retain the challenge system for the role of Black Panther since the King and Black Panther are not necessarily the same person - they weren't in CA:CW and it seems they won't be going forward either).
@zippers987 Жыл бұрын
when does queen Ramonda lash out and become vengeful?
@jefferycraig5353 Жыл бұрын
2:45 mans openly admits hes never heard of the greek sirens before.
@kikikanzaki1539 Жыл бұрын
2:50 - My first impression watching this scene was that it was a heavy reference to siren songs, ya know, mermaid people who supposedly sing with voices so beautiful that seafaring men become hypnotized and throw themselves off ship into the water to try to get find them, only to drown in the cold or rough seas. It's a common phenomenon that pops up in a lot of folktales and mythology around the world as far back as ancient times
@NoviLyric Жыл бұрын
14:44 never realized that omg😭😭😮
@michaelwatson9089 Жыл бұрын
I think Wakanda forgot they have their own prison system that they could lock the people up for trying to steal Vibranium. Didn't Klaw showed the Wakandian prison tattoo in Age of Ultron?
@Water_Me_Loan_64_YT Жыл бұрын
Rest In Peace, Chadwick Boseman. 💜🖤🐈⬛🐾
@kimberlyklaus7296 Жыл бұрын
Succession rules in Wakanda: T’challa was Black Panther before he was king, though that was likely because his father the current king wasn’t in Black Panther condition anymore. The “king” mantle can be held by any eligible candidate from one of the Wakandan tribes. If T’Challa had been successfully bested by another challenger of royal blood the first time, he would have had to yield both mantles to that person and Killmonger would have arrived to find T’Challa wasn’t even king (though his goal was to harness vibranium for revenge purposes). Apparently there had not been a challenge to succeed T’Challa in the year after his death and Ramonda was the Queen. Shuri ceded her claim to the throne to M’Baku and so he is challenging all comers to make it official while (presumably) allowing Shuri to remain Black Panther to continue her alliance with Namor and company.
@ashdstee Жыл бұрын
*Barely grazes paper* “DONT TOUCH ANYTHING!!!” 😂
@alldayagain Жыл бұрын
I wholly agree with the mic drop after an act of aggression line. It would have made total sense, that their next move after wakanda 100-percent shut them down, to then find an alternative source
@devinsingh562 Жыл бұрын
forgot about the part where Namor could have easily went to the water and get his powers back, but instead he decided to punch shuri a bit more in his weakened state.
@djjones635 Жыл бұрын
I literally just commented the same thing.
@klimmr Жыл бұрын
19:46 One sin for CinemaSins for not saying, "Roll Credits".
@cyndrigaming Жыл бұрын
Just went to the doctor last week-- my blood pressure was indeed perfect 120/80. This is the one brag about my health I have 😂
@kamali2593 Жыл бұрын
That Mission Impossible joke got me laughing so damn hard
@denyol2846 Жыл бұрын
Jeremy hearing them pronounce it as Shuri constantly during the film, but choosing to pronounce it like Cherie is really grinding my gears
@EGOfoodie Жыл бұрын
Thank you. It was like he has to be doing this as a joke or something, but there was no punchline.
@andrews5236 Жыл бұрын
Who?
@denyol2846 Жыл бұрын
@@andrews5236 not sure if you’re asking who Shuri is (the main character in the film), or who Jeremy is (the cinemasins guy)
@siennaolive4015 Жыл бұрын
I figured it was his regional accent as he is from Tennessee
@andrews5236 Жыл бұрын
@@denyol2846 who … gives a fuck
@karenwoulfe5999 11 ай бұрын
What happened to T'Challa was extremely important in this film. Not addressing Chadwick Boseman's absence would have been a much greater sin
@k7l3rworkman97 5 ай бұрын
They literally did by changing the A enters opening to ALL BPs scenes. It was enough of a tribute we didn’t need an entire ass scene with sister trying to SAVE him… we fucking knew he died… the funeral was overkill
@CamoSquid Жыл бұрын
Vice President Elaine lmao. To be fair, her first appearance was in fact not a show, but Black Widow
@karenwoulfe5999 11 ай бұрын
Well, she did appear in a show, but as a different character, awkward
@CamoSquid 11 ай бұрын
@@karenwoulfe5999 um nope. She's been the same character in all three productions. Awkward🥴
@PrincessVanessaTheFirst Жыл бұрын
Angela Bassett was unfairly robbed of her Oscar for this amazing performance.
@bravepigster Жыл бұрын
Oddly enough, the one soldier going “Oh shit she got an iron man suit!” was the funniest part of the movie.
@k7l3rworkman97 5 ай бұрын
She doesn’t even deserve to be Ironman. The way she was written was lazy and she shouldn’t have even been in this movie.
@thambidave Жыл бұрын
I think El Niño sin Amor should’ve taken a sin away
@cas5936 6 ай бұрын
So glad u did this video...saved me a few hours of my life..thanks!
@NoviLyric Жыл бұрын
7:19 LMFAOOOOOOOO I used to watch that when I was like 10
@AngelWingsYT Жыл бұрын
I saw this opening week in the EMAX when the Marvel logo rolled the whole packed theater went dead silent it was chilling
@alexgrey7972 Жыл бұрын
The scene with Riri in the dorm is not a problem with tone that scene is realist asf as all black people know no matter how grim a situation is there’s always time to clown someone
@SunshyneA Жыл бұрын
Exactly! Even in fear we gone roast! If imma go out might as well crack some jokes
@anwaralexander3035 Жыл бұрын
I don't think you should speak for all black ppl as in serious situations, I don't clown...
@jazzomj Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!
@abbywolffe4114 Жыл бұрын
EXACTLY
@karenhodo7656 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate yall waiting awhile before releasing this. respect.
@erin4370 Жыл бұрын
5:53 had me wheezing 😂
@aramis4347 Жыл бұрын
You have goofy ahh laugh
@thembanitheone Жыл бұрын
2:46 the Mayan afterlife Talokan is loosely based is supposedly reached only by those who die by drowing. It's also likely inspired by the stories of sirens in Greek mythology who would hypnotize sailors until they dash their boats or just drown overboard. Odysseus survived hearing their song and they ended up drowing themselves. Namora's headress is also made of something resembling bird feathers... possibly a siren reference as well since they were said to be half woman and half bird.
@mikeljackson9192 Жыл бұрын
Singers that lure seafarers to their deaths is not only in Greek mythology, that’s just the one most Europe audiences are most familiar with. There are Asian, African and Indigenous variations on ocean temptresses
@thembanitheone Жыл бұрын
@@mikeljackson9192 Yes this is true. Just answering Jeremy's "sin" at this part of the video.
@drakegrandx5914 10 ай бұрын
But the sin wasn't "Why are the ocean people suicide-drowning people", it was "Why have the screenwriters decided to make the ocean people, who will supposedly face no consequence for their actions by the end of the movie and who are also supposed to be sympathetic villains, suicide-drowning people, when there was no need for such an uncomfortable imagery and, the first time that happens, to kill people in the first place?"
@Spartan1912tam 8 ай бұрын
08:55 splash of water wakes her up with her helmet on.
@yoonzino7433 Жыл бұрын
Don't Hug Me I'm Scared is a masterpiece
@isaactsibu-darko6854 Жыл бұрын
the commentary at 18:55 killed me🤣🤣🤣🤣
@stoagymahalo5268 Жыл бұрын
Love how his last sin is "don't breath that"
@minxiemeesh Жыл бұрын
Sins should have been removed just for M’Baku’s “Bald headed demon” Line alone 😂
@mfpatten Жыл бұрын
Queen Ramonda's "I am Queen" speech scene is 2nd only to Mini Black Panther introducing himself to Shuri at the end.
@Sj_blackphoenix Жыл бұрын
I was waiting for Cinema Sins to talk about how Nakia rescued Shuri and Riri by coming out of the water, and in the very next scene when the Queen is reunited with Shuri, they are not wet. Not even damp. Or a towel. The pacing of Nakia's rescuing is my biggest problem with the movie
@PotatoSaladMonkey Жыл бұрын
Sin: It exists.
@HooodieHop 9 ай бұрын
@16:12 “ He did not.” *DING* I shouldn’t be as weak as I am at that sin 😂😂😂
@Volti-Vagra Жыл бұрын
16:51 i mean 100,000 kids left to put those orbs in random sequences, even if we dont recognize it one of em prolly "made" something that would "cure" cancer or be a step towards understanding and fighting the blanket term that is cancer
@valerierosario491 Жыл бұрын
Why was the opening tribute sinned? It hit me right in the feels.
@k7l3rworkman97 5 ай бұрын
Because now NOBODY can rewatch this movie without having to, Not only pay tribute every time, but we are forced to watch them TRY and FAIL to save him… like tf? The nice Ironman passed, we got One or two subtle tributes in Far From home (aside from Parker being a Stark Sucker) and that was it. This ENTIRE movie is about BPs death 😑
@kieronfarley1924 Жыл бұрын
So the jumping into the water thing I think is meant to be a reference/explanation for sirens and mermaids in our folklore as they sing luring those at see into the water.
@Dontaynewberry Жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this one!
@Brohoe 9 ай бұрын
Chadwick’s intro was the best part of this movie. I should have left the theatre after that.
@k7l3rworkman97 5 ай бұрын
FACTS 💯
@EmileVinesh Жыл бұрын
The silence during the tribute intro to Chadwick Boseman was incredible... Everywhere I read that their theater was dead silent during it. Worldwide...
@Bromeliadsss Жыл бұрын
Loved the soundtrack for this movie
@Lifeof728 Жыл бұрын
Heck yes. I could listen to that entrance to Wakanda all day right along with Suri's theme
@ManinaCAGE Жыл бұрын
😂
@katearcher8514 Жыл бұрын
The colour of subs is really a part of communication. Now we not only know what is said, but also know the language that was used and consequentially who could understand it among the people present and who couldn't. Quite ingenious, really.
@AuntieL_ATL Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video and content for both CinemaSins and TheBirdman viewers.
@5ftOfRage Жыл бұрын
Imagine how different the Black Panther movies will be if they got the rights to use storm.
@zarquondam Жыл бұрын
12:46 - Sinning the Sin Guy for saying "wavering nation" when (I'm guessing) he meant "neighbourng nation." 13:38 - Sinning the Sin Guy for asking a question he admits he knows the answer to and then threatening anyone who points him to said answer. (And anyway, she was also in another movie, BLACK WIDOW, not just in the FALCON/SOLDIER tv show.)
@tenohira8454 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for slowly down that fight scene with Lupita...I know it was an accident but I appreciate it all the same
@JMJGETTY 11 ай бұрын
6:37 THIS is a perfect explanation for one of the many problems plaguing the newer MCU movies.
@superpow3755 9 ай бұрын
No actually this is a real life thing now Jeremy is a white man like I’m guessing you are to and us black people joke what each other even at inappropriate times it’s called bashing or as us young folks call it roasting she called her head ashy you probably don’t get the context but it’s something we say all the time this movie was mad by a black director an has an almost completely black cast there gonna be in jokes and I see your apart of the marvel under cuts serious moments with joke well then what about infinity war where everyone was joking back to back during a fight for the universe
@shivateja9417 Жыл бұрын
Actually in 18:48 i personally feels like it's a power rangers suit rather than iron man suit
@superpow3755 9 ай бұрын
Because it’s a prototype
@shivateja9417 9 ай бұрын
@@superpow3755 The suit we saw at the beginning of the movie was prototype but at the climax ( battle on the ship ) the red colour suit is fully functional suit . Not prototype
@superpow3755 9 ай бұрын
@@shivateja9417 no because that suit doesn’t have all of her powers because they have to save that for her tv show
@rimabros98 Жыл бұрын
0:59 we don’t need a close-up on France and America to find out if they’re the worst already
@emeraldsustrai5343 Жыл бұрын
Ive been waiting for this!!!
@danielvilciu8311 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for saving us our precious time !
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