Not enough respect for this brilliant word play.

That's one of the best wordplays I've ever heard

holy shit that makes so much sense...

@@KittSpiken I mean it's literally the top comment. I think it's getting plenty of respect.

@@ThePCguy17 NOT. ENOUGH.

Defently what I'd do if I was making a game , if it isn't game breaking then it isn't a issue.

Combine that with turning glitches that a of people experienced on accident into a feature (if possible)

@@mihael64 this is what I love about nadeo and the trackmania games. When the devs released trackmania 2020, they intentionally added the most popular glitches from previous games, such as bugsliding, into the game as features!

@@too_blatant That's preety cool!

@@too_blatant Another example, the Civilization series added Nuke Gandhi as a feature in all games after the first

*wasnt intended

the fasted land animal is literally a wild cat

@@RealPersonGuyDude it’s a cheater

@@alex.g7317 you know, it probably does use speed hacks

@@RealPersonGuyDude ba dum tss

Same with the game Ultrakill. Punching your own projectiles into explosive shrapnel was a glitch, but it worked so well, and looked so awesome, that they made it into a feature.

Same could technically be said for the BUD glitch in Minecraft. While the BUD glitch is still in the game, Mojang decided to make an entire block dedicated to detecting block updates.

"No! This isn't how you're supposed to play the game!"

Meanwhile in Breath of the Wild...

@@samt3412 *casually pushes nine boulders with one boomerang

Play the Nintended™ way!

You might be familiar with the phrase "Badwrongfun"

His definition of break is very broad.

And to think: We've come from glitches being officialised in sequels (wall jumping) to *this* .

Yes, but in case of Mario Maker this would break the game. It would break all Cat suit stages for map makers. I honestly really do not see Ceave's point in this video, I understand that getting used to new controls can be problematic, especially when playing more casually - but if the point of the game is to let creators, like Ceave might I add, to make the stages they want, you don't want to have a "feature" to force the creators not to use a certain power up unless their stage is specifically designed around one unintended "feature" the power up CAN use

@@MrOmegatronic Wasn't Wall Jumping in SMB1 a feature with strange implementation?

@Michael Persico That was what I was mentioning. Feature with strange implementation. It was a feature since day one.

Remember, art is objective.

Makes me remember when we the assignment was something like "Draw a room, using the skills you've learnt in this class so far." After some deliberating I came up with my idea: Bubble of distorted space-time in an amusement part. I interpreted the bubble as the room. The skills I would use are how I've learned to draw stickmen looking normal, stuff about perspective the teacher didn't "tech" & some other basic stuff. When I got it back I got a 0 in some "Following the assignment rules" metric, as well as creativity for some reason. (you shouldn't even grade that) I remember crying, being super confused about what the hell I did wrong & didn't even challenge her view. I just kinda broke down. Looking back she wanted me to draw a 3d rectangle, which we "learned" about in the previous days, not a sphere.

My 9th grade "art" class was literally just copying images, shading and all. There was absolutely nothing creative, and the one or maybe two times we weren't copying, we had extremely strict rules to follow.

The school system is broken you just have to follow a boring assignment instead of being creative

@@taxxon_ this is why people say school sucks

And imo it directly lead into both those games dying early and tragically. Similar to pokken tournament, Pokken DX and ARMS, it isn't only a lack of developer support that kills the game, but also fundamental design flaws and poor UI and PR decisions during the development process.

What a dick move, this is literally a terrible way to do things. Parents who control their kid's lives are abusive, so why should game developers hope for that? How incredibly selfish. To purposely lose sales and consumer happiness for a single petty change

A slight correction: this is a Japanese "service industry" thing. Not every Japanese game developer treats game design like a service and not every Japanese game developer has this attitude. From Software, for example, treats game design like they are crafting a toy or a sculpture. Once the design is set, they are done with fiddling with the project. If there are problems with producing the game experience like game breaking bugs, they will fix that, but once the game is out the game is pretty much set. The problem isn't that Nintendo is Japanese, the problem is that Nintendo treats video game development like it is a Japanese service industry. It doesn't have to be this way.

A reason more for me to dislike japanese culture.

OMG IS THIS COMMENT LONG HOW IS THIS COMMENT SO LONG THIS MUST HAVE TOOK SO LOOOOOOOONNNNNGGGGGG AM SERIOUS

Sad face

Given his crusade to ruin Paper Mario, I believe he's just getting old. (Origami King is pretty good IN SPITE of Shiggy's limitations, not because of them).

He's gotten old, and grumpy. More importantly than that however, Nintendo has never really cared much for their games being used competitively. And the catsuit wave-dash technique was a big part of 3d world speed-running. Perhaps it's meant to dissuade an certain audience from associating themselves as Nintendo Fans. But then again, Miyamoto himself is a bit of a salty codger when it comes to modern Mario, since he always envisioned Mario as a more mature character, and feels that Nintendo made the character's image too family-friendly.

Why did I read that as Shaggy?

Schiggy is the german name for Squirtle so I was confused for a bit

This goes all the way back to Player's Choice too. The Player's Choice version of Metroid Prime patches the glitch that lets you get the Space Jump Boots before anything else. Hell, even back to the N64. In japan they patched BLJs in Mario 64, thats why the Switch version doesn't have the glitch because they based it on the "fixed" version.

Wait wait what? Holy shit I had no idea this was a thing wtf

I hate when companies patch glitches people like

They even patched the Nut Jump in smo

@@lailoutherand No they didn't

Yeah, Nintendo is just like "NO! I AM NOT LETTING YOU DO THAT!" to things that aren't even big glitches. It's like they REALLY don't like Glitches like they hate Glitches more than a typical company.

Of course, on the flip side with Minecraft, they're still infuriatingly keeping the modding community wholly divorced from the maingame. I wish they'd just collaborate with the forge team directly already, I'm so tired of every mod breaking with every teeny tiny update and every major version being a potential island for modmakers to just get bloody stranded on.

Also they kept boats being super fast on ice

I honestly think that quasi-connectivity should be removed. It is unintuitive, confusing for 99% of players, and breaks certain contraptions. But the redstone community is so attached to it that it will probably stay in the game forever

@@0bread286 without quasi connectivity, tons of amazing contraptions become impossible.

I wish I could use it now even in training mode

@@0008loser So as a developer, what do you do? Do you remove the glitch entirely? Or do you adjust how assist trophies work so that, after a certain number, they start deleting the oldest ones in order to stop the system from crashing? We know what Nintendo chose, but personally I think improving the stability of the glitch is the better way to go about it. I'm still bitter about it even now, and I'm sure many people are at least disappointed about it still. It's a great way to alienate your fanbase, especially when done repeatedly as Nintendo has done.

ha ha meme go brrrrrrr

@Live united Die united well then..... i guess i got r/wooooshed cause i (unfortunately) didnt get the joke

Dhmis in a nutshell.

Live united Die united I don’t get the joke

I was tempted to actually buy a switch and get mario maker, but this weird and unintiutive design shit has turned me off from putting forth the effort to get it.

I saw a Half-Life 2 speedrun and Valve was watching and they were just mad that so many huge bugs were still in it after hours of trying to fix it.

@@PIKL_Creep I remember that, and one dev said "We should fix that skip just before the next Games Done Quick, they will be so mad." Kek.

absolute chads

The appropriate response...

PIKL Creep They're cool with certain minor exploits. Not so with major ones that trivialize half the game.

Because that can have other consequences in the physics engine. Believe me, just adding caps can screw up worse.

Valve tried that for bhopping in source games, and people just found workarounds while the fix only ended up neutering a very cool technique

The funniest thing about that is that the reason why hackers have been able to run rampant is because Nintendo doesn't want to put in the time and effort to fix something like this, because it doesn't really have an impact on gameplay (eyeroll) and it's not easily accessible. Nintendo cares far more about making sure players play the way Nintendo wants than having players play the way they enjoy.

@@onyxiris6451 But hacking isn't the way Nintendo intended the game to be played!

One of my favourite quotes of his bit admitably very ironic

Eatinggamer 39 if only he was still here and working with Nintendo

GalaxyKitten 09 did he pass away?

JB Bajan Gamer No, he just retired.

"If it's fun, remove it" -Absolutely Everybody that works for Nintendo

Does this also work with digital games?

He hearted! Hoo-ray!

@@8BitGabe ofc not

@@d4n93r then you do need the physical 1.0, don't you?

what i like about this comment is how much it puts what ceave said into perspective the nintendo community (speedrunners especially) has gotten so used to having to bypass in nintendos stupid glitch policy that they eductate themself on how to hack a modern console. All for what, a glydon clipping glitch? anyway thanks for the info ill get out my switch, electrical tape, and bent paper clips

@@00O3O1B it's also the reason ROMs are overshadowing some of nintendo's current games and why Nintendo is trying to strike them down, just look at melee as a primary current example. But why kill fan roms when they could just kill their own games so much easier? I mean just look at Pokken, ARMS, and Hyrule Warriors

@@00O3O1B I agree with the open source philosophy. If a company is no longer producing or selling something, they have nothing to lose by making it open-source. Unless you're Nintendo, who are overly possessive like an abusive spouse

The reason the BLJ is patched in 3D All-Stars is because the collection uses the Shindou Edition, which includes various bug fixes, controller vibration and voice clip changes, such as Mario saying "Bye bye!" to Bowser after throwing him instead of "So long, King Bowser!"

Or... I guess... Do what you want was a pirate is free, you are a pirate! *YAR HAR FIDDLE DEE-DEE*

Eh as good as a point this video makes, I don't think the removal of the BLJ is a good example of Nintendo's destructive glitch policy in motion. The reason why the BLJ is removed in Mario all stars is because it's running the shindou version of the game which was a 1997 rerelease which supported rumble and had some other small changes. The BLJ wasn't discovered until 2000 and even then it was in a random Spanish magazine, it wouldnt have been widely known until a 2003 forum post so no one could have known about it and no one was doing all the crazy shit we see done with it today. Nintendo wasn't being malicious by patching it out, it was probably them saying "oh shit we forgot to limit negative speed" and fixing it. Remember the line from the Miyazaki interview, if they had known about that glitch during development, they would have patched it. That's not keeping the game the way you want it to be played, it's just a simple bug fix, any big studio would have done that. Now, the reason why the shindou version is the one in 3d all stars is also simple. It was just the most recent version of the game, it supported rumble it made the most sense for that to be the one out on the Wii eshop and later 3d all stars This isn't some defence of Nintendo or their glitch policy I just think it's a commonly misunderstood topic and it's worth knowing all the facts

The animal crossing PR team suck ass. they should fire the whole team and hire some english devs that will implement all the quality of life features that fans have demanded for 20 years. we shouldnt settle for medicority (adding one camera feature)

@@johnmarkson1998 Yeah, like where's the durability indicators (meter or visibly cracked tools like the axe in previous games), (new) ability to adjust music volume, and crafting more than one item at a time? (Also, the ability to use the tilted camera used when reading mail would be cool too.)

Repetitive dialogue is my biggest issue, it's like they used a text file for all the interactions!

@@ghoulbuster1 I zip by repetitive dialogue by pressing b If I have to hear blathers talk about fossils one. more. time

Facts

The hydra glitch

So true :')

What U mean. Nintendo is really good at patching glitches.

Fallout 76 flashbacks

nintendo is the type of company who would change an iconic voiceline just to get rid of a misunderstanding

Speedrunners arent special

@@Gabe413 Plenty of glitches aren't just for speedruns, they just improve the game for everyone (like the cat suit one for example).

@@Gabe413 apparently they are if nintendo is wasting money to fix glitches that only a few people will try and utilise after hours of grinding it, just to have fun in the game in a way Nintendo didn't intended

@@Gabe413 no they're not, but the exploits or glitches they use to optimize the game are never going to be found in normal play, so there is no reason to waste development resources on the speedrunners.

Heck, at least Sakurai noticed it in Melee and intentionally left it there (which strengthened the game's identity) and only removed it from Brawl because he felt like it create too much dissonance between skill levels. And even then he brought back a nerfed version in Ultimate.

I think the cat momentum glitch stacks right, like infinite speed? So it'd make it possible to make levels that could only be completed by doing it which might be Nintendo's fear. Edit: ah it just conserves momentum. So you're just allowed to move faster than top speed for a little bit longer because you keep the speed of the dive. This would be bad for ninji speedruns as Nintendo are not big fans of making hard unintuitive maneuvers normal.

cat dive cancelling would be horrible in online

@WILD CRACKS a glitch is code that doesn't work properly. An exploit is abusing a glitch, or code that works properly to get an unintended result. Stuff like this is a non-glitch exploit because the code works properly, it just creates a situation that the developers didn't think it would through it's interactions with other part of the game.

@@AntherMoo anther?

SRSLY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Okay okay okay...goodbye.

@@Chad_Eldridge it was a glitch in the original, 2d, games

@@Chad_Eldridge It's tediously difficult to have it in SMW, doing it in SMB takes practice but it's definitely doable.

@@Chad_Eldridge it's used in the last level of super mario bros speedrun to enter a pipe faster xd

I know for a fact it was both in the original smb and smb3, but I’m not sure about world

Wall jumping was also a former glitch turned onto a feature.

And that long mushroom powerup in Mario Maker 1 that turned Mario into an absurdly taller Mario also used to be glitch iirc.

That's because the AC dev team in Nintendo is great

I think Animal Crossing is an odd example considering there are so many quality of life features players have been asking for so long and yet haven't been implemented yet. It's like they'll only choose to listen to very particular and specific opinions of their fanbase. I honestly don't know what are their priorities.

A corporation of people with different opinions can really altogether make chaotic decisions with no rhyme or reason when outputted as a singularity.

As a programmer, I can confirm this little ditty is accurate as hell.

hahhaahahahahahahahahah

*patch it around

patch it around*

Back when I was trying to code it was more like 341 bugs in the code, Take one down, patch it around, It's broken now and nothing works, also it can't be undone and everything is on fire.

Thanks for the ♥️ Ceave

You lucky ducky

@@matijatoskic6491 *NOICE*

@@idk-_- someone ruined the 69 likes

eergh!! "That's *not* delicious"

That design philosophy is very irritating and it reminds me a lot of Apple products.

And there is one of the reasons that Nintendo deserves none of my money

Also no Cloudsaves for Splatoon or Pokemon

We are the consumers. Shouldn't we control it?

@@internetdinosaur8810 We can if we spread propaganda. If we want people to stop buying nintendo/apple products we must spread lies. Thats how the vegan community grew. they lied about meat causing cancer.

Maintaining glitches is hard but creating a feature based on one isn't. For example, TF2's Solider can rocket jump which is based on a glitch, now (and since forever) a feature of TF2. Valve maintained that easily and even made a weapon that did no damage for infinite rocket jumping. So, they knew what the glitch was, they implemented it and then doubled down on it. All based on a glitch. They didn't maintain a glitch, they made it a feature.

*wet nutshell

Sitting there not flying

333th Like, Gimme 333 Dollars

Metroid other M.......anyone?

Sounds like Pokemon Sword and Shield to me

Bruh

@@Helicopter7 Bruh

So true

literally nintendo taking down fangames

@@Kosmicant This doesn't make any sense, mario maker is literally about making new levels that nintendo didn't make. Not to mention people have no right to use the characters that Nintendo spent years of effort building

just send it as actual feedback, the chances of them seeing it on social media are so much lower than that

I think a large problem with this is that Nintendo is a Japanese company. Almost everyone that has any level of control over these games is Japanese. A lot of them don't speak English, probably most of them. So it's very hard as an English speaking audience to actually convince the dev team/director. It's comparable to trying to give feedback to any English speaking dev team as someone who doesn't speak English.

Obviously there is Nintendo America, but they don't have much control over the development of games.

I really know of only 2 in the game. Chamber 14 with the floor portals and chamber 18 with the camera blocking the door. the section skipped in chamber 18 was always the thing stopping me from going all game without sv_cheats. since I didn't know about the fling because I overlooked it because the area is in an area that kills you if you go straight for it, and so I attempted to stack cameras to get the height and failed.

@@mikeysheep5380 there are some skips, especially in the more open old aperture section, where you can just shoot a portal across the map trough a hole in a wall somewhere to skip half of the level. Old aperture is generally the area of skips. While in the new aperture it's mostly shooting a portal while standing inside the portal the old aperture has a tone of skips which make you walk on top of the map and around it using the gels to get out of the level area.

@@PineappleDealer37 You are talking portal 2. I was talking Portal 1.

LOL

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@@D_YellowMadness What's that video about?

Cause they seem to not care about efficiency and long term effects, but rather they just care about "making something work". That's the kind of mentality I hate, tbh. The good minds think not only in "How to make it work" but also in "How to make it work WELL".

@@chavezraul6879 99% of the game works well. one powerup doesnt change that fact.

@@johnmarkson1998 99%? Obviously not. Stacked pipes are gone & there's no excuse that can't be countered by hidden blocks, enemies in blocks, off screen thwomps, sideways thwomps, parachute thwomps, hammer bros., bloopers, warp blocks, locked warp blocks, or horrible hit detection on every hazard/enemy. Most of the game's content is either unavailable in 3DW or exclusive to 3DW. Simple concepts are tied to night time for no reason. Using Yoshi in no-landing levels is impossible for no reason. Using boots/cars in them is almost impossible too. Checkpoints are unavailable in clear condition levels even though the only possible reason for that rule only applies to certain clear conditions & it doesn't really make sense then either because the checkpoints could disappear when you fail just like the goal does. Crossing pits without jumping is allowed in no-landing levels in some situations always & in other situations never or only sometimes but there's no logic behind the exceptions. Bouncing on enemies & bumpers doesn't count as landing but bouncing on springs & note blocks does. Clear conditions for carrying things aren't in SMB1 even though the SMB2 mushroom & master sword let you carry things. They removed the ability to put things at the beginning of a level (including background objects) so there'd be room for 4 players even though they could've just given us the option to set how many players our levels allow like LittleBigPlanet 1 was already doing in 2008 or let us label our levels as single player or co-op like N+ was already doing in 2008. Getting score from touching the goal yet still dying from time out is common. Killing an enemy by landing on it yet still dying isn't even super rare. You can stop beside a muncher but then die while you're walking away from it. If you land on a dead, upward-facing creeper, you fall through it & get killed by nothing 100% of the time. Been that way since launch & Nintendo has no interest in fixing it. Bosses multiple screens away spam RNG fire constantly, everyone has always hated it since MM1 launched, & it still hasn't been changed or turned into an option you can toggle. Look how much more broken no-landing levels are than I already mentioned: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jadnZ8KduMjInJ8.html I actually like the tricks shown in that video even though they don't make sense because they're fun if you know 'em but that brings me to my next example: There are no text blocks even though old Mario games have 'em so levels with complex meta concepts have to go far out of their way to teach players the concepts instead of being able to just tell the player how it works. Sure, learning organically is often more fun than reading a text block but kaizo levels & glitch levels would often be a lot more fun if their concepts were explained in text & then the glitches & tricks Nintendo worries so disproportionately about wouldn't be such a problem.

@Greko just set a different limit unrelated to walking ':/

​@@D_YellowMadness the collision detection thing exists because it is generally a more pleasant gameplay experience to (for example) barely slip past the jaws of a piranha plant than to have the game kill mario because his foot brushed by its outermost tooth. this principle (subtly skewing the game in the player's favor to make it more satisfying to play) has been a thing in mario games and video games in general for literally decades, and takes many forms such as increasing/decreasing the area of an object's collision detection (for some mario examples, look up the hitboxes of piranha plants in the original super mario bros, or how far away you can pick up a coin in sm64), giving the player slightly more health than the hud shows, or making computer-controlled enemies in fps always miss their first shot to let the player know they are there. cannon hitboxes are like they are to simplify the calculations done with them (it is slightly faster to have the cannon's sprite refer to the same hitbox in all its orientations than to individually check each cannon's orientation to see what its hitbox is). the piranha creeper thing is probably (though I do not know for sure) because you land on the base on the stem (vine? thorny green neck?). they might have had trouble implementing stacked pipes with different colored pipes, most likely in the 3-dimensional 3dw style, and decided they would rather have colored pipes than stacked pipes. not every cut feature is cut because of balancing reasons.

Gamedev in a nutshell

Remember when Valve tried to patch b-hopping in hl2 by making the player get negative speed after exceeding a certain speed limit, but it just made going backwards even faster? Game development is pain (not that I know from first hand experience)

Not much a Nintendo issue, that's just the life of a programmer. It's the ultimate hydra chop off one head and fucking 30 grow back

There's 99 bugs, you fixed one, and now there's 167 bugs.

No one wants a buggy game, not even Nintendo fans. But if a bug is found, but it doesn't break the game and is actually fun to use, then people would have no objections to keeping it.

Like number 68, I lead others to a treasure I cannot poses

69th like, thank you and this is true

@@polkadi if its a bug, then it's a bug, and bug should be fixed no matter what

This isn’t entirely true. I think Ceave put it well, they should ask is this interesting. Falling through solid ground isn’t fun, but finding a glitch that lets you explore unintended places is.

Good thing they made their hardware very well. 👏 definetly loving the drift and the fan that is about to blow up by the sound of it as well as the minimum storage.

@@FailerGamer nintedo makes good games but the management there is just full of shit they have no clue what they're doing and seem to not care about the quality of their products so yea I agree

I mean, not that I think Mario Maker objects are particularly memory intensive, but if you have a mechanism in place for unloading objects dynamically, and a cap on the number of objects that never unload, there are worse potential issues than just lag if you exceed that limit. When you start messing with the assumptions about memory space, I'd think the worst case would be arbitrary code execution leading to bricked or security-compromised consoles. Is that realistic? I don't know. But if it's possible, it does seem worth Nintendo's effort to prevent someone uploading a malicious level rather than rely on catching it later.

@@FailerGamer yeah me too. Also that they wanna make less lag: the best way for that is p2p

Don't objects just stop losing after 100 of a type are loaded globally

Because they're public knowledge now. Nintendo's most likely working on patching the games on their own, so in their minds they don't need your help.

arch btw So demonstrating them in test mode is fine?

@arch btw Bit of important information there that OP didn't mention...

Im pretty sure the reason for this is that they dont want levels that rely on glitches to be completed online, as that would technically make it unfair to the players that are not in the know. And knowing Nintendo, they want their game to be accessible to everyone. This is different from troll levels though, as there's no real way to stop that kind of thing.

I uploaded 2 Uno-Mas levels already. it won't be my level making career though. I just showed a funny animation and a weird interaction with pipes and mush trampolines that stops you from entering downwards pipes

They better not, but it wouldn't surprise if they got rid of it.

Yeah, this makes me really worried for the remake. D: it’ll kill the nostalgia

100% they will. No doubt in my mind and I’m not happy about it

@@princeps5260 true. They did use the rerelease of sm64 in allstars

Of course they will

I mean, it IS objectively his opinion.

@@zandromex8985 technically nothing can proove he isnt lying, so its not objectively his opinion.

When I clicked the blue 2:25 button a random subway ad played

Its not about polish here though. Games that have literally won awards for their polish are not glitchless. Nintendo's problem is a matter of internal doctrine. They consider any "unintended mechanics" (quite from an interview with the developers of Doom Eternal after watching the then-current any% world record of their month-old game) to be a glitch, and they consider any glitch to be 'disruptive' and seek to fix it. If the fix does not cause additional problems or break other systems that they notice in testing, they patch it.

Excessively so

Since they discovered the joy of DLCs and "expansions", I'm sure we will get games that are a bit less polished in the near future, especially since the old guard over there are getting old and will leave at some point soon.

@@Mangaka-ml6xo If that is the case, I am very worried for the future of Nintendo. I am aware that Nintendo is not perfect, and I am trying hard not to. Nintendo over the years has done a lot of wrong, and will continue to do so. What I am focusing on is not just good and evil, but where things go wrong. For most of my memory, Nintendo has been special, for good and ill. If recent trends continue, Nintendo will be just another soulless AAA video game corporation with no values other than the whims of making a quick buck. There is still hope. The old guard may be slowly dying out, but there might still be time to train a new one which will carry the legacy of Nintendo. I don't want to lose the continuity stretching back through much of video game history. My first(and less ridiculous-sounding) proposition is to have Shigeru Miyamoto climb the ranks of management. He is old enough to be there for much of the current arc of Nintendo, but he is likely healthy enough to oversee Nintendo for quite a while. He has been an icon to many, and a visionary over the years, as important as Walt Disney or Henry Ford. This will buy essential time to find new apprentices. I do have another plan, but it is hard to summarize with modern corporate language, and makes my "President Miyamoto" idea look normal. Using antiquated language more associated with monarchies, my ludicrous idea is to restore House Yamauchi to Nintendo, if one can legally even turn a publicly-traded corporation (NTDOY) into a sole or even joint proprietorship.

Huh. *Farewell secret demo dash room has entered the chat.*

I would say that preservation of unintended mechanics is a primary reason I still enjoy Celeste, years after first playing it. Glitches are still being found and shared regularly, adapting the toolset for movement and keeping me learning and exploring well beyond the game's intended content. Some truly amazing spectacles have been achieved with what we have found; for a good example lookup the current Farewell TAS, which exploits a variety of glitches that in many other climates would have been removed.

I think it’s something to do with Japanese culture as well. People in Japan tend to be very perfectionist, and companies tend to adopt an ‘our way’ mentality, meaning that they make the product, and if you don’t like it you don’t buy it. I think Nintendo’s approach to bugs/exploits is a consequence of these cultures.

Oh yeah for sure, that’s kind of what I was getting at as well. You see it with all sorts of major Japanese companies, with exceptions being few and far between.

But at the end, games aren't movies. You play as you like. If you want a game that plays like you want it to, just write a book.

Lol, you say they're out of touch when it's a cultural thing where they see things like bugs as failures on their part.

AzureRoxe well, that's exactly why they're out of touch, because even many japanese players agree that the patching is unnecessary or frustrating.

not surprised it didn't make the cut but it does suck as it could lead to some really neat levels and secrets n stuff

ice flower was my favorite power up, its so clever and can be used in cool ways like using enemies as projectiles or turning bullet bills into platforms

Now THAT is a power up with probably the most glitch potential in the entire game. Think about it. Good lord. Nintendo will probably never incorporate it sadly

Yeah, that one super skills video with the bullet bills really showed how powerful it can be when used right

they probably found 1 single bug and decided: Employees: Hey the Ice Flower has a few glit- Nintendo: *Throw it out* Employees: Wait we just spent 2 hours to code the thing into the game Nintendo: *Your fired*

Well, thing is that 3d world on switch is just a port, and it's in 3d, so they didn't really have to do anything new.

Yeah 🤷🏾‍♀️

reminds me of when Mojang patched out the afk fishing farms in 1.16, but the community found it again before 1.16 even got fully released. Except, when Mojang patches something, they actually listen to their community.

no one can defeat the spaghetti code monster

Yeah i hate that they make many real fun glitches away

I would say the second one is a bit off, the point is not whether a glitch interferes with normal gameplay, but if it does so in a detrimental way, for example, I can totally see someone realizing cat suit momentum and employing it on normal gameplay, but this doesn't worsen the experience for the person, and in fact, it improves it

That Random Internet Guy and I don’t care because the Nintendo way is fun

@@cheesefellow3851 wow how nice

Ali Wasi thank you

@@cheesefellow3851 I was being sarcastic, Saying 'I dont care' is just plain rude and makes you sound cold

Ali Wasi really? Because I made that comment in the nicest way possible, I didn’t insult or make fun of anyone, I just said I liked the Nintendo way of playing, I didn’t try to make it seem that the ‘your way’ said in this above comment was worse

So the game designers and higher-ups probably aren't the same people then

@Nathaniel Black You mean the Mario remaster collection that is available for a limited time for no apparent reason, is surely gonna patch BLJs and costs 60 buckaroos despite the fact they only changed resolution, a few sprites and controls while the Spyro remakes did ten times as much for like 30? Age of Calamity looks great, though.

@Nathaniel Black We're allowed to critique the things we love. Indeed, we're critiquing BECAUSE we love them and want them to be better. Telling people to stop complaining because they got their product, without regards to the product's quality, is a damning facet of capitalism that needs to go.

@Nathaniel Black Okay.

@@BoredomBee Just let him keep moving the goal post. He'll blindly defend Nintendo charging you to turn on your console if that becomes a thing in the future I'm sure.

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I am deeply concerned for humanity

can't we do this with another global ground?

perhaps

Fuck it we don't need global ground. Thanks for changing my opinion with one simple comment

and doesn't even announce that glitches are banned

No they just patch the glitch.

@@kristianperez4108 not with Animal Crossing, everyone's money on the bank was WIPED fucking clean.

@@kristianperez4108 no shoot Sherlock

@Jay Jay On levels with the patched glitch maybe, when I played SMM1 Nintendo was lazy as hell with deleting exploit stages, maybe not so much now. Still, not 'every' level like what OP said.

It's evolving, just backwards.

Except Breath of the Wild.

That's not how you're supposed to play the game!

If anyone makes a fan game they shut them down, Nintendo are so anti-consumer

Thats apparently called progress in the political sphere.

lol wadof

Well, except his first video lmbo

and they are surprisinly simple to make

@@MynamesMe- wasn't too long ago, maybe a month at most

What do you mean "dash of fuzzy"? Fuzzies are full of love

Iirc the Spy originated from a glitch found during testing too, didn't it?

Dinoman972 yeah, you could change your model to the other team, it inspired valve to make a stealth class

i mean so was wall jumping but we dont talk about that here

@@Dinoman972 Yeah, way back when Team Fortress was a mod for Quake.

@@greeny111 Really? What kind of physics system would give rise to wall jumping? Checking for being near a solid surface, rather than a solid surface below you?

And then multiplayer FPS arena shooters got so fast paced new players couldn't hope to get into them and they died out.

@@bsmith1604 what a savage

I think he just meant people can have fun not in the way you intended for it

While this is true, it CAN have a negative effect. Melee as an example. What was supposed to be a party game played with all your friends and crazy items and whacky stuff going on the maps turned into "Final Destination 1V1 Fox vs Mario". The unintended way to play became so prevalent that it overshadowed and then morphed what the series was, and now even in ultimate the online is setup to be more like a fighting game than the party game it was supposed to be. Im not here to argue over whether it is or isn't a fighting game, but unintended ways to play a game/vew a type of media CAN harm it this is just the most obvious example.

I don’t think you could consider the competitive nature of Melee an explicitly bad thing. Ultimate can be and still is a really enjoyable casual game.

@Melchor Herrera This isn't Nintendo embracing or caring about the competitive smash audience, this is Nintendo begrudgingly accepting that they exist. And smash was huge before melee had a competitive scene. Keep in mind that both brawl and smash for 3DS and Wii U sold way better even though most smash competitive players thought those games were way worse. In fact, smash for 3DS sold better than the wii U version even though it didn't even have a competitive format. People vastly overestimate the amount of sales that competitive smash generates, and underestimate the actual sales potential of the characters in the game. Side note, the thing that made smash competitive was bugs and glitches. If Sakurai could go back in time and patch them, he would as he sees them as the thing that mutated the franchise to a direction he didn't care for. Melee is probably a huge factor in why they act the way they do towards unintended ways to play. Nintendo looks at it as "look at what leaving in glitches did to this franchise"

@@00O3O1B You must be a man of culture.

@@00O3O1B Thanks, man.

IIRC, the DKC1 video (well, the one I watched) only showcased one exploit, and a few cheat codes.

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i doubt that because nintendo actually acknowledged that technice in the super cat mario show

Oh god no

SSB is a competitive game, so it made sense to remove a glitch that was so necessary to use that the whole metagame centralized around it. Mario isn't competitive in the same way that SSB is, so it doesn't make sense to treat them the same in terms of bugfixing.

@@angolin9352 not even a glitch, a glitch that required specifically broken controller

@@Masterchief0521 Which glitch are you talking about? I was referring to wavedashing, which can be done with a normal controller and is even easy to do if there's no pressure. I just don't like it because it centralizes the game, circumvents core mechanics, and completely shatters the balance of an already unbalanced game.

Hey sometimes stupid can be fun

This is the perfect response to this video. I feel like Cleave doesnt understand that the Japanese market is totally different from ours. Nintendo is NOT wrong to fix the glitches at all, its something broken after all. Its just that us westerners tend to have fun with broken stuff anyway

so if Civ where a japanese ip, the ghandi nuke meme wouldn't be, if i understood you correctly.

@@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326 iirc that did start because of a bug, ghandi was supposed to be peaceful but they put a wrong symbol somewhere i think? The meme would still exist the first time it happened but if it reached dev ears they'd probably patch it or change it by the next game.

Maybe they aren’t used to the concept

Also changed Mario's voice clip so less gay Bowser jokes

And, judging by the gameplay in the 3D Collection, this is the edition that they are releasing in their All Stars game. Which probably means that most, if not all the bugs included in that All Stars release (64, Sunshine, Galaxy 1) will be patched. They'll probably patch the Switch release of 3D World too.

But it's also worth keeping in mind that this is Nintendo, and they'll probably introduce a heap of new glitches on accident

i bought 3d all stars and i intended to be able to BLJ in it but i cant cause haha shindou edition go brrrrr

@blu if they were listening to he comunity they would've at least used a good old rom of 64, not the shindou edition, it's not that hard ro do wither since they're emulating everything and just changing some ui elements

yeah, its not auto generated

@@ilEagle3696 thx

@@uliveulearnandregret no prb

you can tell with punctuation

*"...as long as they aren't intrusive,..."* This is the issue. What somebody considers intrusive is what somebody else doesn't. What should they do then? Hold surveys prior to creating each patch?.

@CoolDoominator What do you mean? That casuals and kids should be quite literally thrown to the side for the sake of people like you? Okay.

@CoolDoominator Then what do you meant with your comment?.

@CoolDoominator Oopps, sorry. Notice my mistake. Too many comment chains confused me.

@CoolDoominator *"honestly anything is better than nothing"* (Sorry, sent without replying) I don't think they have enough to to hold a survey for each and every glitch they would remove. They have new games to make you know?.

Entity limit still applies on global ground, so it wouldnt overload anything

Pokemon?

Love-colored Magicó Succ Yep

"Nintendo's words echoed... There's a time and a place for global ground, but not icicles"

Well tbh, that isn’t Nintendo’s fault there. That’s GameFreaks fault

To be fair, I would also say you should weigh the harm against how likely you are to do it by accident and fan response. If it can accidentally a great deal of harm, but it's exceedingly unlikely to happen by accident (maybe requires a very specific unlikely set of button presses or circumstances) and it has a big positive fan response, it is probably worth it to keep it. If it is someqhat likely to happen by accident, has no significant positive fan response (maybe not useful for speed runs, exploration, or whatever), and does a noteable though perhaps not great deal of harm, it is still maybe a good idea to patch it. Although I mostly play retro games which don't have any patches so I mean I'm fine with mininal patches on well made games 🤷‍♀️

I mean the examples given are totally capable of doing harm. Be it players running into 3D World levels that are unbeatable without the unintuitive Cat Momentum or people using Glydon to clip into walls... And put Luigi Balloons in (which was already a problem with that mode lol) There is totally a balance that online play makes tricky

I completely agree. At least if the game is single player. Your first priority should be fun. Your second priority should be fun. And your third priority should be, you guessed it Having yammy fish. Meow!

Third option: If it's something you don't want your game to have, remove it.

@@colmecolwag > Be it players running into 3D World levels that are unbeatable without the unintuitive Cat Momentum What about uh the other billion smal tricks that are still in the game that are unintuitive? Like half of what the link costume is capable of, or ground pound momentum canceling to jump farther? And why should that even matter in the first place? There are thousands and thousands and thousands of levels out there that have some kind of knowledge requirement that game doesn't teach you that you need to know in order to beat the level. Why is every player suppose to be able to beat every single level in a game with player made levels?

The third one _kinda_ makes sense due to copyright, trademark, and similar laws being designed extremely poorly, but Nintendo goes much further than they actually need to. xD

Nintendo's pretty stupid

@Neocereus i'd say the fact that most nintendo games literally never get discounted below 40$ even ages after they're being relased is a pretty fucking stupid thing they refuse to fix

yes i'm aware what i just said is unrelated, may i introduce you to the word "joke"

Fans: "We used harmless, cosmetic glitches to put shooting stars on our trees! That way, people who use the new dream suite will be able to explore even more beautiful islands :)" One (1) salty poketuber: "That's CHEATING" Nintendo: *instant patch*