Have to say that everything listed so far is only on my "nice to have" list. There is nothing that is a slam-dunk "must have". It will be good for immersion, but we haven't really seen any significant increase in depth to gameplay for a very long time now. The hoard night is the most significant value proposition of the game and the last content adjustment to that was, what, Demo's in was it A19 (like 4 years ago)? We are still missing an "end game" scenario. At the moment, it's tepidly day 70. It would be nice if there was something in the game that could cary your attention to day 140 as the "wow, finally made it - that was insane" moment. The other thing I wish we had, without having to lean on the mod community, is the idea of small, themed challenge maps. So think rebuilding the Ravenholm scene from Half Life 2, or a Dishong Tower challenge. Navezgame scratches the "great outdoors" itch, but imagine if you could craft a curated map, each part of which is intended to be conquered every 7 days. Maybe something like that is available via mods, but I think we should be able to see some of that natively. Perhaps that is along the lines of what Story Mode could/would/should become?? If I had to pick anything, I think the variation in zombies will be the most welcome change. I recall when they redid the cars it made a difference to the scenes you encounter. I'm most hesitant about the armour changes. I feel like that it was pretty close to getting it right, so I dunno. At the very least we are going to need armour stands to be able to collect the sets aren't we? :)

Too whimsical? Have you played the game before?

​@AndrewEddie Agreed. This is more of a poor mans next gen upgrade patch than anything. It's going to do very little in driving any new traffic to the game. Disappointing.

did this game still prebuild? i play this since beta and boring with update. hope this game have final release

The biggest update I am looking forward to is a miner update. Where you can build tracks and use mining carts on it so you don't even need a vichle to strip farm them cities.

Yeah cause the clothing is a problem holding the game back.....JFC, fun pimps Armor sets are bad, just terrible ideas that don't fit unless they simplify the game. Which it looks like they will do that for 1.0 Hate this idea

@@ockraven2107 still hate the idea of the first thing I do and again the game is fine a pair of jeans, a cowboy hat and a flannel. They better have the minor helmets still cause I wear that 24 seven to see.

Weirdo

It all depends on function vs look. All of the look options were pretty bad. Function-wise each armor piece now has a perk ability + plus mod slots ... so that will give a larger variety of combinations.

Yeah the armor looks dumb

For the spawning in your base ... you might be able to find some mods to take care of that. I feel you on the POI spawning.

What if zombies had a "migration" mechanic, where they move from the sides of the map at night and hide indoors during the day?

This would prevent them from getting into your base and make them getting back into POI's consistent.

@@WaywardEko another is a if you clear a part of the map of zombies it stays clear until migration rolls back in

land claim block fixes that

I'm actually happy to see any variation.

@@WaywardEko bring back naked stripper xd

​@@WaywardEkou are just bought out by the funpimps

@@kartikeyatiwari2502- Why does liking a new feature make me bought by anyone? As someone who’s done content breaking down everything wrong with 7dtd, I tire of these lazy judgemental comments.

You can always mod your game to add unique zeds. Vanilla zombies are the best. I have bonded to them and if they changed it wouldn't be 7d2d.

i mean pocket mods are really just OP cause it makes 1 perk in particular useless i guess this is also a meta shift to make some perks more useful overall

I'm looking at as more mix and match to optimize stat combos ... the question is if you can do that and not have the character look super janky.

@@WaywardEko having named sets that are distinct like that makes it feel more like an MMORPG rather than a sandbox. Like, Iron armor makes sense. You make armor out of iron. But specific pieces after a certain fashion style? Just kills some of that open world survival immersion for me.

They are likely to sell DLC...outfits ect.

Feels like they're trying to go with Mad Max looks with armor modifying your class behavior. I could see it being alright in multiplayer, but it kills the survival horror look and could dumb down the looting, if not done right. Still, I'll give it a chance.

I think the armor change is the most controversial. I get the desire to simplify/lean methodology but then you need double the slots for torso/chest outfit and the feet/legging slot

Yeah - it's just bizarre.

They had to to remake the core mechanics 3 times over :)

They completely fumbled the bug during development. Lots of time wasted redoing the same things, throwing out entire systems on a whim. Lucky for us, it still ended up as a good game nonetheless, but damn... if they had some more direction and planning during development they could've achieved much more. It's a shame, but ah well.

/agree

Voice of the customer/testing isn't something TFP has been great at.

@@WaywardEko The next day after the livestream with GNS, I watched multiplayer numbers drop by 50%. "Sure we value community input, as long as it's in line with what we want for OUR game." Had I known they had this attitude I would have never paid for the game, or paid for a server for a mixed bag play experience. They basically killed their numbers with one sentence.

i watched TFP video over 1.0 and he said they’ve been running tests on it for a while and continuing to do so

@@reprehensiblereptile1138 i mean the community is only good at crying and bitching i dont blame them for some things but lets be honest , u ask for health bar to be implemented and then u get some person saying "we dont need that" like its an option u can switch on and off but people will just act as if its there then it must be on , and they cant go adding stuff to the game play if only some people want it speically with how needy people are , add this add that they do then they complain , if they had upgraded their game like rust im 100% sure it wouldve been more popular

TFP activily make fun of and argue with people who have different opinions than them, so that would never work sadly.

Every alpha has had new blocks - hopefully they give us some more this time too!!

Pretty massive shift from the old console version for sure.

​@WaywardEko yea is it worth me buying I had the original xbox version

@@Letycs wasnt there fault. blame that on tell tale and the collapse of tell tale was because nobody played there games to just watch youtubers play it so really blame ourselves

Oh no, it's still in the EA pit. It's more like rebranding than actually going somewhere

when it first dropped on PS4, it took me less than 7 days to return it to GameStop. This game was terrible

Thanks kindly ... working on a breakdown of the trailer now along w/ some tidbids from their interview with Neebs.

@@WaywardEko That's really cool, I would certainly appreciate that. Thanks :D Hope the algorithm picks it up, if not I will try and check on your channel in the next while. Unless it's there already.... >_>

Thanks frost!

Look forward to my next vid -- I'll be talking about this!

Lots of free updates over the years for sure!

Thanks so much Sir! BTW -- need to connect soon. Will reach out on the side!

Thanks Sir! yeah ... I'm very stoked for the zed variation and honestly the new outfits. I'm sick of my blockhead character always wearing the ugly trench or college jacket as a go to.

Love the POIs in this game. Well worth exploring, zombies or no, if only to take in the artistry. I don't know who their primary POI artist(s)/developer(s) is/are, but they completely lucked out on hiring them. I only hope they performed a pass on all the POIs in the game and pulled those that aren't flush with the ground to ground level because those that stick up look pretty...bad. (Sorry. I can't think of nicer way to put it.)

Quite welcome!!

Thanks! The last dev stream have some good stuff in it as well!

Indeed!

Rip business suit trousers, i never wore you

hahahha

RIP to the duster. Always looked bad ass with it and a cowboy hat.

My guess is there will be some new armor piece that gives a bonus to movespeed

I get all that ... I think we might actually end up w/ MORE flexibility of builds ... we are losing mod slots, but each armor piece has its own bonus in addition to the mod slots ... so we'll have to see what those abilities look like.

@@WaywardEko Yes we will. It will be interesting for sure.

Just like a lot of folks complained about the empty jars going away just like the magazines coming in. To me BOTH were exactly what we needed to! Too many jars and way to easy to get work stations and vehicles! I went back to a streamers videos in alpha 19 and good Lord! You could have a mini bike, forge and a work bench by day one. That just speeds the game up too fast! I can't wait for this new version of the game

​@@w0lf1969 Yeah, this has been a trend with content creators and their opinions about game direction. They always take it way too seriously, and almost as if every decision the devs make that they don't like/agree with is a personal slight made specifically towards them, so they go all doomer mode and just start preaching about how much better the "old days" were. I personally think the game is just getting visually better and more balanced gameplay-wise with every update, which at the end of the day, were definitely 7DTD's biggest problems. This is only the 1.0 release of the game (finally), so there's still a lot of time for changes and even more overhauls/remakes for anything that becomes decidedly problematic.

@@refertopfp9627 I think people fail to realize that most of the time with the Mini-Bike, Forge, Workbench day one thing its usually because someone turned up loot abundance and XP gains up. Never in my entire time of playing default settings 7D2D have I seen someone have all that by Day One let alone Day three. The other problem is that even if you do focus on all that to get it ASAP it generally left you with a lot less time to prepare yourself for the first horde night. Personally depending on how many people I am playing with a base could take up to 4-6 days to make ready for the horde while accommodating for other stuff.

Me too!!!

That is likely how things will go.

Looking forward to it!

on console you gotta buy it again! For 1.0.

Wait so I have to buy it again even tho I’ve had my ps4 7 days copy since release why not just have it be an update for everyone who has owned it already

@@jthegamer360 Yep Taken Right from the dev update video which this video leaves out that Minor detail.

New animations for in this version - bandits are later content drop.

Bandits are coming crazy that they delayed it this isn’t v1 at all bandits and campaign are missing till next year

Be nice to have animal management like farming too

Quite welcome!

I think they are going to have to significantly buff the cold/heat mods - especially after some of the info they dropped on the Neeb's interview.

Not the worst call ... when you do start back up, I'll be doing a bunch of beginner guides and such covering all the new content.

Going to have to buy it again for 1.0 on console. At least this was announced this way by the devs.

optimization is on the list - will have to see how much!

I've never had this issue with friends, and it was like 4 of us. So there was a ton of zombies.

12 years and we're still optimising lmao. This company is a disgrace.

​@sadcubicle Wait until you see their interview with Guns, Nerds, and Steel. Their eyes only light up when talking about money and going gold. To which they continued to keep steering the conversation towards.

Yeah every fix I've tried doesn't work as a single player, servers, etc. Cities and medium sized POIs are still just terrible, and my computer was high end only 3 years ago. Should not be going to the 30's with medium settings.

Thanks kindly!

Quite welcome!

Yeah - I get that -- really need to see how the slot options go and how they adjust existing mods!

I just spit water all over my screen reading this comment!

Only time will tell!!

They are doing it because they are a business that makes money. The old console version was not upgradable due to architecture shifts ... and the game going beyond what old consoles would handle I don't think they had any choice but to make a whole new game for console. What they failed on was communication ... and honestly pulling the current console version off the market earlier.

I can completely see that.

I think most of us are curious to see the optimization. Hoping them bringing it back to consoles forces the issue.

There is a lot of entitlement going around. The game isn't perfect ... it has it's issues. My channel tries to focus on the positive without going full fanboy. Also ... I like to report from what I understand/know vs speculation.

Will be a good time to jump back in.

Great question -- will have to hit them on that when the dev streams start.

Yeah .. I'm going to miss the current motorcycle ... love the look of it and don't like the chopper. I do love more flexibility in the vehicle mods and getting to see them! This build is very much one that I'll have to see first hand to judge!

I only say this as it happened in another game, who's name eludes me. They essentially dumbed down the slots from having pieces for almost every individual part of the body to these "sets" - and the driving force? To sell cosmetics. They essentially found it easier to sell skins if the armour sets were in smaller chunks, rather than design 8/10 individual pieces they only had to build 4/5. I hope this isn't the case for 7DTD.

I don't think their changes are nearly that strategic. Just my observations.

Thanks!!

I agree! More outfit = better.

Thanks so much!

haha nice.

hahaha ... some of us old folks have had kids ... gotten married ... gone through multiple jobs over the course of the 1.0 journey.

Haven't heard anything on the other items, but they do tend to slip in a lot of items that we didn't get any knowledge of before hand.

I can see them intentionally making inventory harder ... right now pack mule is irrelevant. I could be wrong, but that would be on theme with some of their other changes.

@@WaywardEko It would definitely slow things down if I have to constantly offload items somewhere.

IT was already reduced we used to have the full inventory before they redid the perks/skill system. So it is smaller starting and Yea inventory in this sucks. ON pc I always get mods to make it bigger.

It looks like they are heading that direction with the wardrobe function -- basically the idea is that they will separate look from function ... so you will be able to reskin armor pieces essentially.

Same.

That is a limitation of voxel-based games. Nothing to be done about that.

??

Completely different skill ... maybe not more involved ... just involved in a different way.

I remember those days!

I think they indicated that the glasses ... or at least the +1 int attribute would be a mod for the headgear. The nerd headpiece might have the glasses but different perk.

The thing with the Bandoliers is that they didn't stack at all, so I don't really see the need for a buff, or at least a very big one. If they do buff it though, I suspect it would only be an increase from 15%-20% reload speed, or maybe a very minor secondary effect.

Bandits are pushed to next year as a content drop for 1.0. Details on the release and roadmap here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jKmgna96q7aYnKs.html

Yup. They are fighting an aging and vocal demographic while trying to bring on new players. But they are ignorant to both newer trends and the voice of their existing user base.

Definitely some good stuff in there!

With ya here!

I think that is around the time I started as well!

@@MinguHeaven I'm not concerned with the name or versions. I'm just happy I've put 1000+ hours into this game and they keep updating it! :D People spend $80+ for a game they put less then 50 hours into. This game has been amazing, it's not perfect but that's why I love it 🤙 Not sure why people are still so butt hurt with em. The games I don't like I don't play or watch content. I'm gonna be looking forward to all of there content in the upcoming years 🤙

Yeah, I wish perks had a stinger influence on mag drops.

They absolutely hinted at DLC.

Different version you will have to buy but they are working with Sony and Microsoft to get some form of discount system for the people that own the OG console version

Different version. Here are some of the details ...kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jKmgna96q7aYnKs.html

​@@garymonaghan7200what a scam 😂

Thanks much - really appreciate that as my focus is getting folks info quick and concise!

yeah ... that sounds horrible ... don't recall that one.

Was it changed in alpha 13? I played alpha 12, 4 months ago and it was still there. Just like to point out that alpha 12 was the best period, they took gun parts,wellnes system and the semll system over the years kinda sad to see them go

There is a plan for that in the future. Covering that in an upcoming vid.

They have updated Nav to include new POIs ... so I think it's really up to personal preference. For me I like to always have random gen because I enjoy the exploration.

Yup - those all came later.

Yeah - if you go check out the release info - Rick said that they were working to support mods on console. This will be a trickier one as I assume those mods will have to go through some kind of approval process, so we'll have to see.

@@WaywardEko Thx and yes, we will see.

Right now T6 is just basically a T5 infested.

I would take more FPS over load time!

@@WaywardEko true , in big towns it does drop. Probably because that rendering trough windows, maybe what they do now will help. My pc drop frames too, and i run gta5 in ultra setings

Armor I assume you mean :) They removed clothing.

beta / alpha / gold ... in the gaming industry these have become nothing more that arbitrary labels.

Yes - there is sooo much you will be getting.

I think a lot of the armor sets are inspired/borrowed ... and if you see the comments ... I've seen a lot of folks comparing the update to fallout!

I'm holding judgement ... but has potential!

@WaywardEko Fair! I'm a console player, so I'm so excited to get a new update!

I think we are going to end up gaining some new utility that we didn't have before ... just a hunch.

I would happily take more mods in general.

It's come a long way.

@@WaywardEko It seems. Thanks for showing me that with your video, I'll certainly reinstall it

I have to see what adjustments they make before I have an opinion.

I think there are plans for more armor sets -- afraid they will be DLC.

Can't wait for crossplay!

Modding is not going away. All the hooks will remain there. The only question is if they will be able to allow mods for console. That is a lot trickier.

@@WaywardEko There won't be mods for console. We both know they aren't going to make a modding tool like Bethesda did for many of their games. If they did, we'd get it in 2044.

No updates to the old console version. You will have to buy the new one and it's only for next gen consoles -- they are working on possible discounts. More details here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jKmgna96q7aYnKs.html

still going!

Very much a wait and see for me.

if there is 4 slots then u probably are able to mix ur clothes except u get bonuses if u wearing a set thats probably it , but idk why they removed pants option or gloves

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jKmgna96q7aYnKs.html

I love Enshrouded!! I was on the fence about doing Enshrouded content and streamed it over on Twitch for the past few weeks, but I can only handle soooo much editing :)

@@WaywardEko All the more time for them to release more content for you to stream.

/agree ... I think that's the sentiment of most how play long term ... it gets down to building for the sake of building!