I will

Me

Dammit!! Too late.

Can you do bostons mbta

good work on the video.

They don't have a subway. Staten Island Railway and the never finished St. George Tunnel, but no actual subway.

@Whirlmode Flutter That has nothing to do with the issue.

@@logical.01 True. Having said that both the NYC Subways and SIRTOA are under the umbrella of the New York City Transit Authority. Of course we both know Staten Island Railway used to be a Baltimore and Ohio affiliate.

@@DTD110865 no it doesn’t connect but it’s also a part of the MTA’s NYC Transit and uses the subway cars. It is much more a part of the Subway than it is the MetroNorth or LIRR

New Yorker here, where is Staten Island ? Lol

Thank you!

@@MetroLinerhappy third birthday on this video it was a childhood memory for me

I'm very grateful and thankful unto the Lord of Jesus Christ that someone added the powder blue 🔵 8 and ninth Ave Elevated lines and the 9 trains because all four lines is definitely needed and it's gonna definitely happen I tell you that right now. Including the 8/9 V trains.

@@MetroLiner hey bro can you add the metro length here please?

No, a lot of the old els that were removed were redundant to the much more reliable and higher-capacity Subways nearby. So it makes sense to remove them.

@@Tokkemon But the problem is not necessarily their removal, (the el did have a lot of problems) but the fact that the city promised to rebuild those lines as subways but then never did. And now you have whole swathes of the city that are no longer served by rail. And what makes matters worse, is that (as I stated before) there have been barely any major extensions, or new lines since the 40s. The NYC subway system needs a lot of upgrades and extensions. The city has grown and changed a lot over the past 80 years, and the subway system has not grown to accommodate these changes.

@@tinyelephant1533 Out economy today just isn’t the same anymore as the early 20th century. It literally costed billions and nearly a decade to complete the second avenue extension.

@@SalmonellaLips and that's part of the problem. The problems have built up for 80 years that now, the costs for building the subway have skyrocketed. That's why I said I'm not sure it can ever be fixed at this point.

@@SalmonellaLips also because of the inconsistency of subway construction, the cost and required expertise made both the development and planning exorbitantly expensive . NYC subways I think are among the costliest in the world to expand

Exactly. That's the reason why they are suffering the conciquints now for tairing down the old 3rd Avenue Elevated line down. I'm glad that they have the R62AS,8 signs on them now and the R142/as has the 8 3rd Avenue Elevated line announcements all the complete stops because I have seeing that on you tube. When they do dirty business God will bring it to pass

Nothing cannot replace or run over the 8 3rd Avenue Elevated line anymore.

@@leecornwell5632 indeed.

​@@leecornwell5632 I rode on it in 1973, the year before it ended on April 1974. It was also known as the Central Bronx Elevated.

I wish the Second Avenue Subway in Manhattan would have been extended to Third Avenue in Bronx, as originally planned. That was the main reason the Third Avenue El was replaced. Assume that the reason for no extension between Manhattan and Bronx is that lack of funds was caused by fare evasion. Today's New York City Transit lost $500 million dollars. That is the kind of value the agency could have used.

At least we still have the 7 train and J/Z trains :(

@@matthewhernandez8342 and also the 1 train.

@@bmendez3782 what do you mean

Actually most trains run elevated outside of Manhattan. The closer the train gets to Manhattan, the more underground it goes.

@RYAN AYALA That is entirely untrue. I have no idea where you got this information.

Yup, Many EL's were Removed.

@@michaelmorales1475 Which might have contributed to Manhattan's soaring rents.

It's the Archer Avenue and Queens Boulevard lines that need to be expanded beyond Jamaica. Queens Village and Laurelton would be the destinations.

@Caleb Lee because queens is the joke of new york.

​@@miguelmejia4656 No, that's Staten Island

@@miguelmejia4656 Isn't it The Best Borough in NYC?

@@michaelmorales1475 the best borough in new york is brooklyn.

Wait till you see Tokyo

@@sweet813one Oh god.

Yeah our subway is a mess.Be careful or you'll end up in The Bronx when your trying to get to Brooklyn.lol

At the least you can go from point A to point B with London underground, metro in NYC and in America in general is point A to CITY CENTRE, no links between suburbs at all and that frustrates me

@@hwg5039 you got that other way around NYC subway is built as a grid London underground is only in central london

The amount of subway built in the 30s is pretty astounding. Was that part of the new deal?

I think IND was a savior.. they changed the game.

@@vectoor91 probably

Ikr

@@vectoor91 no it was an attempt by the NYC government to have the IRT and the BMT forcibly sell out to the city owned IND by either making them go bankrupt, loose lots of money each year or buy out lines that the competitors use and then tell them to either sell out to the IND or loose access to the lines which would end up with a collapsing ridership and profitability of the lines leading to eventual bankruptcy and effective nationalisation by the city or state and this is exactly what happened, the city rapidly expanded the newly created IND in an effort to bankrupt the IRT by providing an artificially cheap service and forcing low fares on the IRT and BMT making them unprofitable (only the IRT became unprofitable) and then they purchased (I think that’s what they did but I may be wrong here) lines used by the BMT and so when the IRT was loosing loads of money due to the IND providing an artificially better service and having low fares forced on them that they could not afford they kept loosing money in the 1930s which is when they sold out to the city and so then the IND told the BMT that they either sell the company to the government or loose rights to operate trains into downtown Manhattan on IND tracks and so they ended up selling the BMT to the city otherwise ridership would collapse and the BMT would loose money and eventually sell out to the city or go bankrupt and so either way both companies were fucked.

..Love it!! Was kindof hard to digest as it goes along..had to back-track just to get every thing in sequence..

Forget about it

The Ind was built by the city and that was a lot of lines. I think it was mainly that the city stopped growing like crazy, but cost of construction was also rising fast. New York is an outlier to this day in how ridiculously expensive it is to build things.

@@vectoor91 I think it was the monopolisation by the city. When they were competing it worked fine.

@@mr.jamster8414no

The ones that arent really near a subway have at least 2 bus lines to help serve them.

@@SimplyTechna no train line?

Yea Bob and its fascinating to now how overengineered the City is. There are tunnels and pathways made 100yrs ago that are not being used which could provide rail service to outlying communities. Thats what I saw. Erasing service lines didnt erase the actual space that was tunneled or paved or built. So there is room for an expansion in the future

@@SimplyTechna you say busses like thats equivalent, busses take wayyyyy longer to come, can cary far fewer people & move as slower than a granny with a Walker. There needs to be a train that raplaces the B82 line till canarsie then goes up north till jackson heights.

@@broncomcbane6382 Cranberry, I agree there...but it takes gobs&gobs of money!! City folks do not really want to foot that bill!! Specially with present situations, like the COVID pandemic!!

As I remember it, the IND stood for Independent of Private Ownership Interests.

INDdependent, was cift built line, correctly socalled because independent of private companies. BRONX ZOO had its own station, it was not a shuttle line but a destination short of end of full route. Also there were a number of indeed shotr shuttle like bowling green to ferry, and one to former polo baseball stadium. THE NYC TRANSIT MUSEUM, in Brooklyn is a former station that privided service to Brooklyn Hiets. Understand also that services along certain physical tracks changed. Line E now Jammaica Queens to World Trade Center, but once ran in Brooklyn & Queens to Rockaways, a service now provided by A train to 2 terminals there and Lefferts Blvd terminal.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bNucla6dqLXOmKM.html here's the link for NYC subway 1961-2026

The elevated lines were wearing out, rickety and slow, and not very accessible. Not everything is a conspiracy.

there really isnt much of a demand to go from flushing to rockaway

Trolleys not included.

That’s America for you.

yep 1:we need more trains 2:we need platform doors 3:we don't need price rising

Some lines have to fade simply because they aren't efficient anymore. So they just use nearby subway stations that are larger.

I mean that’s why there’s buses everywhere-

@@louisianafriesss I honestly rather a train only system

right. how elevated frames go both ways on Myrtle Ave but there are no train tracks or stairs on the southbound side of Broadway

The city has lots of the old lines still remaining in certain places. The IRT 3rd ave elevated tracks still exist. (As seen being discontinued in 9:25) Growing up nearby, I always marveled at the giant abandoned network of steel, knowing that they were relics of a bygone era

@@shasan2393 I hear ya

@@broncomcbane6382 Yes, but why were some removed when there was no parallel subway, only buses?

@@nonenoneonenonenone lack of $ I guess

..Correct..

I used to live in Canarsie and the Rockaway Parkway stop was my station. I had no idea the trains used to go all the wall out to the pier.

I will do Tokyo someday for sure!

@@MetroLiner And make NYC's and London's subways/metros seem nice and tidy lol.

@@MetroLiner It's gonna get messy.......

@@MetroLiner Moscow, Berlin or Paris pls

The final boss must be the seoul metro..

and the same old-fashioned type of subway trains have been served for over 50 years!

That's a overall good problem to have, as it means you're swamped with choices of where to go to with a heavy saturation of various transit lines.

@@TheCriminalViolin Fair point, I wish more places had subways. I'd trade a confusing transit system for horrible sprawl, traffic, and an inability to interact with one's own community.

Yeah, starts getting confusing in the mid/late 1920's..

@@matthewgoodman7588 we could have had so much more. read about the IND second system

Amen to that!! Thanks MetroLiner, et al..!!

Ugh. Weeb!

Glad you liked it!!

That explains how the pandemic started now...

@@liam-man7265 That's hilarious..and in the "Corona Yards" there by Willets Pt. Blvd/CitiField Station!! Lol!!

Yes! I love to study history, am a urban-rail afficianado, and a total map geek. All three of them come together here.

Thank you! I used Adobe After Effects.

New York city subway

Also, I am a subway buff, and what I do not know about the New York City Subway is so much that is enough to kill me.

tunnels still.have to be there though,.under the belt parkway

It was street level and once there was electrification they didn’t want that.

Canarsie and that whole section of Brooklyn could really use subway service though. It's rough

@@danielj4042 Right..correct...So the BMT decided to.terminate the line @ Rockaway Pkwy/105thSt...and construct a transit yard adjacent to that teminus station.

@@broncomcbane6382 some tunnels are actually still there which is interesting

Yesssssss they all need it.

Yeah we would.If you wanna go east to west you go down then up or take a car.

@@PrivateMcPrivate or board a crowded crosstown bus, there’s a reason the Bx12 SBS is so damn packed

The final expansion of the Second Ave line, which I will not live to see, is its extension to Broadway under 125th Street. If it was not for Robert Moses a crosstown line could have been put in along the Cross Bronx Expressway then taken across the Throgs Neck Bridge into Queens (Jamaica then Kennedy Airport?).

@@drakeil Robert Moses had nothing to do with this. The plans for a west to east crosstown line were actually intended for the northern Bronx, one of which was a proposed extension of the IND Concourse Line. The closest thing to a west to east subway in the Bronx is the IRT Pelham Line.

They exist. Maybe on paper.

It's also interesting to see why old Hagstrom maps would say things like Culver Line with no explanation.

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But the identification should also include the numbers, and any other changes. No one calls it the Dyre line anymore.

And the E to 179 St before Archer Av and after the J cut service back to 121 St

Thats the way City Goverment is. One result is that Queens past Jamaica in the south past E, F & J terinals and past 7 in flushing are transit desertd, more as Eastern 1/2 of coutty is past them.

The city was nearly bankrupt in the 1960s.

Thanks, will do!

Hahahahaha, what even is a "z" train amiright?

@@ronnyshama right like I never see it but I live on the A line

@@brandon_astris same i live on the peninsula

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They wanna create something like that for LaGuardia Airport. The Port Authority wants to build a new AirTrain line from LGA to the Mets Willets Point 7 station (which would obviously be rebuilt and enlarged) and the new station would then serve the new LIRR LaGuardia Express train using an upgraded Port Washington branch. That would terminate at the new LIRR Grand Central Station that’s due to open in a few years.

I mean LA doesn’t even have a train that goes directly to the airport. The us is pretty behind when it comes to public transportation

There is such a service for JFK. For LaGuardia, it was easy to go by taxi.

@@nonenoneonenonenone I haven’t lived in New York for about 2 decades now but unless I’m mistaken very little progress has been made on connecting airports to Manhattan with modern public transport. JFK is still relying on that stupid ‘air train’ service which means you need to transfer to a different mode on your trip at least once if going from Times Sq as a random central example- and I just used google maps and it suggested 2 transfers for quickest route. There is no subway line that runs directly to the terminals, nevermind an express frequent train directly from Grand Central or Penn Stations to the terminal. That’s insane, no other major world city is that badly connected to its major international airport. La Guardia is even worse, requiring a stupid transfer to bus in that example and Newark isn’t really better. I’ve also lived in London so I’ll use that example (but Paris is likewise well connected as is Tokyo). Heathrow has a direct ‘tube’ line going to terminals without requiring a transfer from central London locations and beyond that it has the Heathrow express which leaves from a major train station in central London and goes directly to airport terminal in 15min every 15min and finally they are about to open that Elizabeth line that goes directly from terminal threw several major train stations and subway/tube stops/interchanges. All 6 London airports have express train services to their terminals from central major train stations in city center. New York’s connections to its airports using public transport is an embarrassment, it’s not even close to competitive.

That would be cool! Thanks for the suggestion.

You‘re welcome!

Staten Island does not have a subway line. The SIR is independently operated, though it is controlled by the MTA and has been since 1973.

If it were to include Staten Island it would need to include MetroNorth, PATH, and LIRR too

@@adamaviation6236 I would be ok with that. It’s one of my favorite lines in TSW

@@adamaviation6236 For Staten Island Railway to be added, the MTA would need to reopen and rebuild the St. George's Tunnel.

And the AirTrain, S.I. Ferry and Roosevelt Island Tram?

@Breanna Northrup you were still able to during rush hours up until about 2010 or so when the M ran from Middle Village to Bay Parkway via the R and J lines through Manhattan. When they ended the V line and combined it with the M, that was the end of that.

Toronto loves debating transit but hates building it. Seems like they’re finally getting their act together but Eglington Crosstown will have a diminished service quality to the existing Subway and it remains to be seen if the Ontario Line gets built. The regional rail’s ambitious transformation is just gonna overload the existing inadequate system even more.

@@eriklakeland3857 yeah, the Eglington crosstown has been under construction for soooooo damn long. And now metrolinx is making an LRT on Finch, and i highly doubt this'll be completed on time

Not really the same system, and that's the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

ROOSEVELT ISLAND is cable tramway of elevated nature over water. AIR TRAIN is airport elevated train to subways and Long Island Railways. These not part of subway system STATEN ISLAND was part of Baltimore & Ohio heavy rail, multi state system. From earliest dats it did serve many stations by local trains. Taken over by city after ConRail received permission to abandon. (Though it was electrified to subways BMT Division B) standards in teens, and in 20s proposed Tunnel or Bridge was to include tracks to link to either what today is R line ir former 3rd ave elevated line.

Amazingly enough only in last 20 years has it been added to subway maps. It has only 1 underground station and is mostly elevated or open below ground cuts. ONLY 1 of 3 routes still carry passegers, only bare ground of North Shore & South Beach exists.

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Now why’d you spilled

Select Bus Service is mini BRT. Look up the bus system in Bogota Columbia or in Curitiba Brazil. Now THAT’S gold standard. Almost a surface subway. But the NIMBY’s of NYC would never allow it to happen. Just like the shutdown the extension of the Astoria line to LaGuardia Airport. It’s only two damn miles away from the Astoria terminal!!!!

Typical Democrat-controlled cities.

Hey I drive that bx15 bus and it's a great service.

@@rasheedwhite4647 that is 100% true the Bx15 buses is very good service what. People are saying is that is not the same with out the 8 Rd Avenue elevated line anymore. I still don't understand why did they took the BX 55 buses and made the BX 15 that didn't make sense

Ah well, compared to other cities which have zip, NYC is still lucky to have a somewhat extensive system

the reason why many lines were closed was because the trains were super rickety, and had wooden cars.