Evolution of the USMC Squad (WW1 to WW2)

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Music:
• Call of Duty 2 OST
• Medal of Honor Pacific Asslt & European Asslt OSTs
General Source:
• Sayen, John. (2001) “Battalion: An Organizational Study of the United States Infantry.” Working paper, Marine Corps Combat Development Command
Specific Sources:
• The United States Army in the World War Vol. 1, Organization p. 347; Manual of the Chief of Platoon of Infantry pp. 27-38
• “Table of Distribution for the Second Brigade to be effective 1 May 1923”
• USMC Organization Table 1P “Rifle Company, Marine Infantry Battalion (peace strength)” (Washington DC 1 Nov. 1934)
• USMC Organization Tables, “Marine Infantry Regiment, Marine Brigade (War Strength)” Table No. 21W and subordinate organizations (Wash. DC 1 July 1936).
• USMC Organization Table No. 1, “Rifle Company, Marine Infantry Battalion” (Washington DC 6 June 1938 updated 23 Aug 1939).
• Marine Corps Table of Organization D-1 “Rifle Company, Infantry Battalion, Infantry Regiment” (HQMC Washington DC versions dated 28 March 1941, 28 March 41/10 January 1942, and 1 July 1942).
• Marine Corps Table of Organization E-1 “Rifle Company, Infantry Battalion, Infantry Regiment” (HQMC Washington DC dated 15 April 1943).
• Marine Corps Table of Organization F-1 “Rifle Company, Infantry Battalion, Infantry Regiment” (HQMC Washington DC dated 12 January and 27 March 1944).
• Marine Corps Table of Organization G-1 “Rifle Company, Infantry Battalion, Infantry Regiment” (HQMC Washington DC dated 1 May 1945).
• Marine Corps Table of Organization D-81 “Parachute Company, Parachute Battalion, Marine Division” (HQMC Washington DC 28 March 1941 and 10 January 1942).
• Table APD-1, “Rifle Company, Destroyer (APD) Battalion” from February 1942 and Marine Corps Table of Organization D-172 “Rifle Company, Marine Raider Battalion” (Washington DC dated 12 February 1942 and 24 September 1942).
• Organization of Marine Corps Raider Battalions, dated 7 May 1942 plus attached table (Enclosure B) “Detailed Proposed Table of Organization and Equipment, Rifle Company, Marine Raider Battalion.”
Intro: (0:00)
World War I: (0:32)
Interwar: (4:23)
World War II: (7:52)

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@rvail136 3 жыл бұрын

In the USMC a "bare sleeve private" is called a "slick sleeve".

@dragonsbreath1984 3 жыл бұрын

Yep

@anthonykaiser974 3 жыл бұрын

Same in the Army, or now "Fuzzy" with ACUs, due to the velcro rank position having nothing on it.

@xtendoclip1517 3 жыл бұрын

They’re just called dickheads now lol

@andrewmartinez7559 Жыл бұрын

What about buck private

@Guadalcanal 3 жыл бұрын

My grandfather landed on Guadalcanal with 1st marines in 42 armed with 1903. He told us that they didn’t receive M1s till the army landed and they had to steal them from the army while they were still on the beaches

@padraig6200 3 жыл бұрын

I have seen pictures of Marines, it usually seems to be artillery crews and the like but also mortarmen and machine gunners, armed with 03s even in Okinawa

@edm240b9 3 жыл бұрын

@@padraig6200 ‘03 Springfields were used throughout the war. Aside from the well known sniper versions of the rifle, they were used to launch rifle grenades since the M7 Launcher didn’t see widespread service until mid-1944. However, the most interesting reason that was found out was simply for nostalgia. Guys had fathers that served in WWI and there were even some grizzled WWI vets that just preferred the good old ‘03. This is especially true in the USMC, as they made it a priority to use the ‘03 Springfield in WWI instead of the more plentiful M1917 Enfield.

@ohmygoshitscole 5 ай бұрын

I think you mean that you watched The Pacific on HBO?

@Nietabs Ай бұрын

HBO Pacific

@Its_shiki_time4876 3 жыл бұрын

You do a brilliant job

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@kimjongun1348 3 жыл бұрын

I read this as a bullshit job and I got confused.

@KenshiroPlayDotA 3 жыл бұрын

@@BattleOrder I fully expect the Marine squad to embrace AirLand Battle in the next video... by squeezing the 15 men of the squad inside a single Humvee !

@jasonlogel7387 3 жыл бұрын

Another amazing video. Former Marine infantry squad leader.

@jeremyperala839 3 жыл бұрын

Me too, F 2/5. Semper Fi, Mac.

@firstname9853 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks to the both of you for your service

@Wadser 3 жыл бұрын

Logistics must've been hell for that 2nd Raiders composition. Each man carried a different cartridge.

@the_christopher 3 жыл бұрын

Quality content as usual. It's always great when presenters and educators give context and background information, as opposed to just laying out facts and statistics as if they were bullet points. From my point of view, you've made your channel stand out amongst other similar content creators because of your focus on progression, incremental development, and context. Context is everything in history, military or otherwise, even in the admittedly niche specifics of Military Organization. Seeing your channel growth spike in the last few months has made me genuinely happy, and I hope the trend continues upwards.

@sammossbeck5250 3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. The things he covers in his videos are things I have pretty much no background knowledge in so the context really helps me get into it and understand what’s happening

@DaHuntsman1 3 жыл бұрын

7:40 This is actually really interesting cause it seems to completely mirror and contrast present day attitudes of the two services regarding the adoption of the M27 IAR and its supposed replacement of the M249 SAW in Marine units, where it didn't gain much traction in Army units because we, on paper, only ever have 9 guys at a time, we need all the firepower we can get, while Marines have, on paper, 13 guys and thus its not as much of a requirement.

@Lifechanging99999 3 жыл бұрын

Well as a former marine rifleman.... i can tell you that idea was stupid. Many others have the same sentiment. The IAR should have complemented the SAW not replaced it. Coordinating fire becomes much more difficult because you could do talking guns with SAWs, thats not the case anymore

@DaHuntsman1 3 жыл бұрын

@@Lifechanging99999 I agree, the SAW has problems but you are never going to replace the sheer firepower of a belt fed gun with a magazine fed gun, even if the IAR is ostensibly a American version of the Soviet RPK.

@Lifechanging99999 3 жыл бұрын

@Luke L. you’re absolutely wrong. Go read please www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2019/04/19/all-of-the-marine-m27-rifles-are-in-if-youre-not-a-grunt-or-working-with-them-youre-not-getting-one/

@completely_blank9265 3 жыл бұрын

As a marine just wanted to say u did a great job

@mr.m1garand254 3 жыл бұрын

That medal of honor music is nostalgia😭

@JamesWBarr 3 жыл бұрын

I love your use of MOH music. It makes my eyes wet just thinking about the good old days. Please never stop making great educational content like this. Have you ever thought about doing some videos on 18th or 19th century formations?

@evanrester6832 3 жыл бұрын

This stuff is not only helpful, but absolutely amazing. Good video!

@Alvi410 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve talked to several people with an interest in history and war in general. Its incredible how few even realize that the big changes of infantry combat were in ww1 and that ww2 and after built in that new autonomy of NCOs and weapon integration that happened there.

@chid8 3 жыл бұрын

I love your videos man, keep it up!!

@alancranford3398 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Waiting for Part 2 will be painful.

@EthanBSide 3 жыл бұрын

You do a great job of Semper keeping it Fidelis.

@jameslee3944 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to learn more about the Corps. Good job

@cattledog901 3 жыл бұрын

Love the channel dude. Really looking forward to your future here.

@nemo7840 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video! I love your rifle squad videos

@harshbansal7982 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video man .

@Fay65 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as always...!!

@samgraham2110 3 жыл бұрын

Another awesome video. The Marine Corps was and is always adapting and anticipating the next fight.

@CraigLYoung 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

@joeyweinstock2272 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know how many times I watched this video but I love it

@Snipeyou1 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the Saturday afternoon entertainment 💪🏻

@Drew-vv9ef 3 жыл бұрын

This is interesting as usual, very nice

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

@bunkmasterflex5627 3 жыл бұрын

Loved the vid keep up the great work . Could you maybe in the future do a vid about the dutch rifle squads.

@danielbirch8500 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting to be a Marine familiar with the current platoon structure and ready to see the future platoon structure on the horizon. Great content!

@zwinmar21 3 жыл бұрын

Not a fan of the what they are projecting in the future, but eh, im just an old grunt set in my ways

@rhett1029 3 жыл бұрын

Been waiting for this! Keep up the great content also can’t wait for the modern Marine vid! 😀

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Will do!

@pyeitme508 3 жыл бұрын

@@BattleOrder waiting for modern US Marine Corp one.

@thefrictiontm9507 3 жыл бұрын

Underrated channel

@jackharris2046 3 жыл бұрын

Nice video

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@perdidoenbolivia134 3 жыл бұрын

Great video do more usmc videos

@switchoff64 3 жыл бұрын

Nice

@jeffkenmir4757 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, this is fantastic! Do you plan to do battle order videos for other countries? I’d love to see some on Canada and other commonwealth countries

@trstock7760 3 жыл бұрын

Loved this thanks so much for putting it together. By any chance did you come across anything pertaining to the TO of the Machine Gun battalions we took over the France?

@genericpersonx333 3 жыл бұрын

I am sure some people wonder how the Marines could function for so long without strict TO&Es, but it is easy to forget that there was a time when Marines had to fit the station rather than the station fitting the men. By that I mean that some ships and postings only had room for eight marines while others needed a hundred. This is the real origin of the idea of every man is a rifleman, because often there was literally no place for a Marine to be only a supply manager or something like that. When you might have just six men defending that consulate, you sure as heck needed every man to be ready do his duty. Sometimes, I wish the Marines had not become so huge in WW2, as it leads them to act and think a little too much like the Army. Even better, let's dump the Army and let the Marines do everything!

@dragonsbreath1984 3 жыл бұрын

In todays environment the question isn't: "Why do we need a second Army?" but rather: "Why do we need a second Marine Corps?"

@redaug4212 2 жыл бұрын

Marines would just become the new Army, and would take on all the detrimental responsibilities that come with being an army. Then you all would get bored of the Marines and move on to something else because the Marines aren't special anymore lol

@BLY99 Жыл бұрын

Because unlike all of the bullshit Marine propaganda, the Army is actually much more effective than them.

@jasonrusso9808 Жыл бұрын

@@redaug4212 then why did the 6th,7,23,24,25,27,31,32,33,37,38,40,41& etc. divisions fight in the Pacific in such great island campaigns Saipan, Makin, Okinawa? Not to mention the 147th Regiment which fought in five major island battles & the 1st Cavalry division. Also taking in consideration the Numerous Regimental Combat Teams, like the 27th,35th & 161st. Non separate & separate.

@redaug4212 Жыл бұрын

@@jasonrusso9808 I'm well aware that the US Army fought in the Pacific theater. I have both of John McManus's books on the subject and plan on buying the third this year. My point was that people who lionize the Marine Corps to the point where they believe that the Marines could replace the Army have a frivolous understanding of how a functioning military works.

@MaxwellAerialPhotography 3 жыл бұрын

Posted one minute ago? Let’s fucking go.

@jameslane9531 3 жыл бұрын

You FEEL me bruh!!?? Love that picture...

@chrishoatson3186 10 ай бұрын

My Great Uncle was at Tarawa and Iwo Jima. He was given an M1918A2 just before Iwo but had an 03 from his entrance in 1940 till Iwo Jima

@dinnerk-ration5221 3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@tandemfandom1 3 жыл бұрын

that upward inflection...

@alanmorrow6574 3 жыл бұрын

Soundtrack nostalgic

@mauriciorv228 3 жыл бұрын

Fuck yea. Good old days playing medal of honor

@Rubenlagriculture 3 жыл бұрын

I knew I heard it before

@GBomb9704 3 жыл бұрын

Little would the Devil Dogs know, that over a century later 5 Swedish guys make an epic metal song about them

@squiddyishere5082 3 жыл бұрын

"Shortly before the start of WWII, in march of 1941" The second world war started 1939.. Which war did France fall in, or the battle of Britain happen in? 7:52 You mean shortly before America's entry into the war?

@cloaker2829 Ай бұрын

That's probably what he meant

@CrossOfBayonne 6 ай бұрын

Most USMC vets say that the M1 Garand and BAR were the best weapons fighting in the Pacific theatre, This is true because the majority of PTO battles M1 Carbines were not present during the Solomons campaign and New Guinea

@WellBattle6 3 жыл бұрын

When will the PLA info you made for the video on them be added to your website?

@adrian_zombturtle148 3 жыл бұрын

woah cant wait for newx weaks video

@iv9545 3 жыл бұрын

Are you going to make a video on modern VDV airborne companies?

@roderickstockdale1678 3 жыл бұрын

The BAR Assistant was the Grenadier 5:00-5:07.

@roderickstockdale1678 3 жыл бұрын

*right under

@donaldsherman5913 3 жыл бұрын

I know you said you where working on a video about brigade level artillery I was wondering if there was any updates

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

Had to push it back because it was quite extensive and I had to deal with school projects and finding a new apartment, so couldn't turn it over in a week. It'll probably be early November

@donaldsherman5913 3 жыл бұрын

@@BattleOrder thank you for the response

@ilocosmetro 3 жыл бұрын

Oorah!

@johnrodriguez3870 3 жыл бұрын

Marine Raiders and ParaMarines: MARSOC Raider Regiment owes a debt of gratitude to Them, as well as Force Reconnaissance and Detachment One for Their Own Existence. MARINE CORPS SPECIAL OPERATIONS SUPERINTENSIFIED!!🇺🇸🦅🗽⚔️

@groovyhoovy5766 3 жыл бұрын

do one on the rangers

@falco919 3 жыл бұрын

The southern accent came out strong today my guy

@sammossbeck5250 3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t hear any southern. He sounds like he‘s from north to me

@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t hear anything

@falco919 3 жыл бұрын

@@GarfieldEnjoyer1878 when he says private and like at the start of the video more

@zwinmar21 3 жыл бұрын

Listen to Marine radio chatter and you will hear every marine speaking with a southern accent, no matter where they come from or their native tongue.

@DakotaofRaptors 3 жыл бұрын

That Medal of Honor music tho

@user-tc9sk4ei9y 3 жыл бұрын

That's curious, soviets having faced the same command and control problem during WWII had decreased the size of a squad rather than keeping squad size and adding a new subdivision

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

That's what the US Army tried to do immediately after WW2, but they found it was not ideal in Korea, so they then went to fire teams. Everyone was having issues with attrition of experienced NCOs during WW2, but I imagine subdivisions below the squad are more realistic for the American military because they have a better NCO corps (complicated squad maneuvers requiring good NCOs) and don't shed career NCOs to warrant officer and officer academies like in the Soviet case.

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

Decreasing the size of units also allows you to create more units which was likely more useful to the Soviets at the time. The US Marines were probably more interested in allowing its already existing units to absorb casualties.

@user-tc9sk4ei9y 3 жыл бұрын

@@BattleOrder True enough. Fun fact - soviet cavalry squads did have squad subdivisions called 'links' so that wasn't entirely alien concept for the Red/Soviet Army.

@user-tc9sk4ei9y 3 жыл бұрын

@@BattleOrder Also, I think western emphasis on soviet NCO corps isn't totally true. Soviet NCO corps did somewhat eroded due to partial abandonment of reenlistment service which was only partly compensated by 'praporshik' institute and further limit of conscription service time, which took part in late 60s - early 70s, years after the WWII. I think it could even be the opposite - NCO corps took blow because of reducing the squad sizes and overall employing the officer-only cadres in the most hi-tech areas (such as nuclear powered submarines and ICBMs lauch sites), not vice versa.

@josephahner3031 3 жыл бұрын

@@user-tc9sk4ei9y Insofar as the infantry and more conventional arms are concerned the lack of career NCO's and specialists hurts the overall competency of combined arms units. US NCOs often serve for decades before retiring, usually serving at least 6 years before leading a squad. Most if not all Soviet NCOs only served their two years and left the military.

@tomaszkrawczyk9344 3 жыл бұрын

A+ Research

@aaudi6365 2 жыл бұрын

7:08 I guess you could say - SNAP BACK TO REALITY

@hubertbagtas9029 3 жыл бұрын

wow that’s kind a interesting 🤔, what about Evolution of US marine corps platoon after part 2 is already published

@miketaylorID1 3 жыл бұрын

Minor emendation. That illustration was of a m1903 with a prismatic sight, not telescopic. That is all. Carry on👍🏼

@1stpersonnavyresq789 Жыл бұрын

Are we just not going to talk about the Corpsman. AKA “Doc”

@adamyoung6797 2 жыл бұрын

2:46 your accent slipped. “Prahvates”

@marcelosilveira2276 3 жыл бұрын

could you make a video on the american mechanized (motorized?) infantary and/or french dragoons? I'm planning a wargaming campaign set in alternative history WW2, basically, the gov would not have passed a Law in early XX century stopping the military police from forming the 20s of our army in warfare. From 1906 to 1924, one of our military police (back then called national guard) was being trained by the french dragoons, and it is a relatively common fantasy around here to imagine what would have happened if they went to WW2. Granted, Tanks and aviation were an Army-only thing, the National Guard, in this case, would mostly operate as either garison or behind-enemy-lines operations. One thing people usually point out is that, with the end of the French Mission in 1924 and the french pacifism, while our closest allies, the USA, geared up for the inevitable war, we would likely adopt their doctrines in the last decade before the war (which would fit well with Roosevelt's New Deal, as we would have started buying american wargear waaay before the war actually started... and pehaps know how to operate them, to do more than being sent as moving target so the germans shot at us instead of the americans). I was originally going to just buy french-dragoons and paint them with our colors (the Guard actually used the same uniform as the french, despite the different climate, just in different colors. Actually, one of the current battalions still use a variation of that uniform to this day), but the store I buy from only had french in metal... and I hate working with metal... so I want to know how the mechanized/motorized american infantary worked, because they have those in plastic, which allows me to work on it for the campaing

@Tekisasubakani 3 жыл бұрын

Do you have any back story on the photo of the Marine at 8:16? He appears to either be covered in mud or horribly burned.

@vasky22 3 жыл бұрын

Likely camouflage

@huntclanhunt9697 3 жыл бұрын

What us the paramarines automatic rifle? I don't recognise the outline.

@Gerle71 3 жыл бұрын

M1941 Johnson LMG, probably.

@DrLumpy 3 жыл бұрын

Good history. The narration seemed a little non-stop. Perhaps a little too much dead air trimmed out. I found myself pausing and rewinding and taking notes to keep track of all the private-corporal ups and downs.

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

Fair enough

@Jarod-vg9wq 9 ай бұрын

Marines and army should have kept the m1917 Springfield until the M1 garand.

@chair2930 3 жыл бұрын

Reh.

@emjatalmoajeossi-57 11 ай бұрын

악! 서킨 딕슨 조 해병님!

@strikezero01 3 жыл бұрын

8:38 what is that submachine gun?

@legitmilkman98 3 жыл бұрын

M50 Reising. The variant used by the paramarines with the folding triangle wire stock was the M55. They were mostly used in the war with Marines early in the war and also with Coast Guardsmen. They had some reliability issues in the jungles and overall not well liked. The Reising was replaced in Marine service once Thompsons became more plentiful.

@strikezero01 3 жыл бұрын

@@legitmilkman98 geez I mistook as Ruger Mini M14 ... I saw the review about , man the selector switch looks strange

@legitmilkman98 3 жыл бұрын

@@strikezero01 Yeah they were a strange little gun. The interesting quirk on them was the charging handle location. It was on the bottom at the front where you'd normally put your hand. The Marines and Paramarines having a shortage of firearms in the early years of WWII led to them using a lot of interesting firearms until M1 rifles, carbines and Thompsons finally reached them in large quantities. Another example besides the Reising was M1941 Johnson LMG and Johnson Rifle. Paramarines definitely and I believe Marine Raiders also used the Johnson LMG and rifle in fairly large amounts and they were both well liked despite being fairly complicated. Some of them were reluctant to give up their Johnson rifles for Garands as they felt they were a better rifle in some aspects.

@strikezero01 3 жыл бұрын

@@legitmilkman98 holee... that looks like the U.S. Army's FG 42, but unrefined

@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 3 жыл бұрын

I'd love to see videos on modern european structures. Could you also include the NATO equivalent ranks for your international viewers?

@joneszer1 3 жыл бұрын

Shotguns?? I know they wanted them in jungles but maybe it wasn’t doctrine.

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

They were regimental spare weapons during WW2

@nordfreiheit 3 жыл бұрын

Do the Marines still use 3 fire teams per squad?

@BattleOrder 3 жыл бұрын

Yes. There will be a fourth “command team” in the future but it doesn’t really act like a team. Its just the squad leadership and a drone operator

@nordfreiheit 3 жыл бұрын

@@BattleOrder that's really interesting. I only learned squad tactics in the army with two fire teams. I wonder what that looks like with three!

@josephahner3031 3 жыл бұрын

@@nordfreiheit probably similar in execution to the Army's but with an extra fire team the squad leader has an additional element he can employ to bolster his base of fire or his maneuver element when in contact, or to act as a security element for the squad in difficult terrain such as mountains, cities/towns, and forests where line of sight is restricted. I don't have personal experience with this but from I've read on Marine squad tactics and seen as an armor crewman(a tank company uses three maneuver elements with four tanks each), this would be a rough idea of how it'd work. If there's a Marine infantryman around who can offer more insight please correct me, I'm interested to know more.

@zwinmar21 3 жыл бұрын

@@nordfreiheit 3 fireteams means 1 can lay down a base of fire while the other 2 move, leap frogging each other with each providing the base in turn.

@F8Beast 3 жыл бұрын

Hehe Banana Wars

@mikewallace8071 3 жыл бұрын

Check out the website "War is Boring" and the article "Gung Ho! The Communist Origins of the Marine Corps’ Famous Slogan" and "Evans Carlson" on Wikipedia. "Carlson’s leadership of the battalion was unconventional and rattled many of his fellow officers. For one, he fundamentally changed the structure of rifle squads, ignoring the traditional eight-Marines-per-squad allotment. Instead, Carlson modeled his battalion on the Chinese guerrillas. He organized 10-man squads each with one squad leader and three fire teams of three Marines apiece." warisboring.com/gung-ho-the-communist-origins-of-the-marine-corps-famous-slogan/

@zidan1hao917 3 жыл бұрын

Guerrilla is not too correct. Carlson has witnessed some of the finest 18th army (CCP' s men) attack, these men are well trained, just the lack of equipment lag them down. If given with Bazooka or just 50 cal , they will perforn outstandingly, no doubt

@Tekisasubakani 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, Carlson is a hell of an interesting guy to study. My friends grandfather [now deceased] served with him for a time while in the Pacific theater, he always had a story ready and they were never boring. Most of them were even true! :D Never a dull moment with him.