EX-BRITISH SOLIDER on East Tyrone IRA | How Dangerous Were They ?? | Jon Trigg

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The Good Listener Podcast

18 күн бұрын

Preview clip from upcoming episode... Ex British soldier and author Jon Trigg provides insight into how the military viewed the infamous guerrilla soldiers of the East Tyrone IRA.
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@TyronePatOne
@TyronePatOne 16 күн бұрын
It has always saddened me that young English, Scots and Welsh men died at the behest of the ruling class in London.
@MrAnon1916
@MrAnon1916 16 күн бұрын
Born Scot here with Irish grandparents. The ones who did simply identify as British, wore that British uniform and were deservedly treated as such by the Republican movement. Ireland will end up reunifying, after 800 year of struggle, it will be an indescribable gratitude to witness for us Irish diaspora. Unfortunately, around half of Scots (identify as Brits) have lost their identity due to the events with England usurping Scotland; First through the Treaty of Greenwich which Queen Mary of Scots refused the sign the Treaty of Crowns which resulted in her beheading, then son kidnapped by the English at 1 year old, groomed by the English and subsequently continued direct English and, later, Brit, annexation and colonialism in Ireland. Jacobites failed to defeat the Red Coats over the 17th century to reclaim back Scotland. Then the 18th century came along, with it, England/British Army put its Army on the Scottish Border (and the north of Ireland), issued a threat of invasion for Scotland to sign the Treaty of Union (with bribes paid), this then got passed in the Scottish parliament (acts of Union), which caused widespread riots in Scotland, the English/British Army then carried out shoot on sight orders and within a year squished all rebellions and riots. The Referendum that came along in 2014 Scotland blew it, which left us Scots heartbroken, bewildered, baffled and angry. Its claimed in media that most born Scots voted Yes, but Scotland a whole (including all the migrants, Anglo settlers here etc) most of them voted No which produced a total 55% No vote. Since the Anglos arent coming to the table to accept another referendum we find ourselves in a catch 22 situation. Us Scots who want the nation back are losing patience. The North Brits here are beyond redemption, no different than the Loyalists in the North; they are entrenched with sectarian bigotry and give an allegiance to England/Westminster, its ruling class and romanticism of the British Empire, they make us Scots sick. Scotland may find itself having to fight for its Independence again... Tiocfaidh ár lá
@jonathancarpenter3064
@jonathancarpenter3064 16 күн бұрын
@@MrAnon1916 😂 😂 utter bollocks
@MrAnon1916
@MrAnon1916 16 күн бұрын
@@jonathancarpenter3064 ?
@AL-PAKA
@AL-PAKA 16 күн бұрын
its over run with migrants anyway now, why dont you do something about it
@PatrickAhern-qb6xb
@PatrickAhern-qb6xb 16 күн бұрын
They had a mind of their own and only knew one side of the conflict
@zeus-pm6lo
@zeus-pm6lo 17 күн бұрын
East Tyrone man here, I can confirm that Cappagh now has road signs all year round 😂😂😂
@carthy29
@carthy29 16 күн бұрын
Great channel very interesting interviews , thanks
@liamgarland1425
@liamgarland1425 5 күн бұрын
When I was in primary school 1980s in West Belfast the British army made a fort called fort Jericho and as young boy I was a dangerous we lad and done a lot of damage today I write Madeira 40 40 Liamp atrick Mr CCC?
@Bravactkins
@Bravactkins 14 күн бұрын
Once in a while you get awesome vids. thanks
@welshwizard55
@welshwizard55 14 күн бұрын
As an Army veteran i served 3 tours in the 70's it was a dangerous place, you couldn't trust anyone. You could be caught out at any time
@ATLmodK
@ATLmodK 12 күн бұрын
This is another excellent podcast with a very accessible guest, who clearly kept to the facts
@GodeanCeltic
@GodeanCeltic 17 күн бұрын
East tyrone and South Armagh most feared volunteers in world
@user-hj3rt9gd3y
@user-hj3rt9gd3y 17 күн бұрын
South Armagh, yes. East Tyrone riddled with touts.
@flylikeaneagle3676
@flylikeaneagle3676 16 күн бұрын
Legends.pity there is far too many squeelers in this country
@ciaranbrown1983
@ciaranbrown1983 16 күн бұрын
Unfortunately you are right. No other brigade lost more men to inside information the whole brigade kept losing key players​@user-hj3rt9gd3y
@fF-jb4gs
@fF-jb4gs 16 күн бұрын
​@user-hj3rt9gd3y only tout in there was Gerry A!!!
@lewismorgan839
@lewismorgan839 16 күн бұрын
The SAS are volunteers two by the way😊
@melissabyrne8749
@melissabyrne8749 17 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@dermymoto
@dermymoto Күн бұрын
Fantastic podcast John. Very impressed with John Triggs knowledge on the subject and impartiality
@clario2178
@clario2178 17 күн бұрын
Very interesting 👍
@iwandavies4844
@iwandavies4844 12 күн бұрын
Most of East Tyrone brigade was taken out in Loughall in 1987
@user-yg4nn3dd8x
@user-yg4nn3dd8x 12 күн бұрын
Nonsense, there were dozens of volunteers still operating in the following years, no shortage of men and women to step up !!!
@lt8400
@lt8400 9 күн бұрын
​@user-yg4nn3dd8x Not the same caliber as Lynagh and Co.
@Heresy1987
@Heresy1987 8 күн бұрын
Problem is with saying that "most of the ETB" were taken out at Loughgall is that, while experienced and dedicated activists were killed during that operation, far from all the brigade was killed. The OC after Paddy Kelly, remarked that there was an influx of new recruits after the killings. This is why creating martyrs in Ireland has always been counter-productive (the Brits have learnt that the hard way at times over the years). Highly experienced and ruthless activists were still there in the Tyrone brigade like the Harte brothers, Lawrence McNally, Pete Ryan, Seamus Woods, Dessie Grew, Martin McCaughey, Henry Louis McNally and of course others too and others unknown.
@johnribble
@johnribble 13 күн бұрын
We never feared them , we thought they were all cowards ,
@6Tghma
@6Tghma 10 күн бұрын
Not true. One of my brothers mates was there in the 80's. He said although professional composure was always kept, most had a real fear of the I.R.A
@biggiesmalls3096
@biggiesmalls3096 12 күн бұрын
This channels brilliant
@derekrushton1705
@derekrushton1705 16 күн бұрын
I've watched & read shedloads of stuff about 'The Troubles' as well as spending time in Ireland in the 1990s too. This is probably the best channel I've watched. Very objective. Loads of different perspectives & guests from both sides on. Great presenter too, who allows people to speak & tell their stories. What surprised me about Ireland was how friendly people were towards me. Being English I expected to be hated especially in Derry, Tyrone, The Lower Falls, South Armagh and over the border into The Republic. I just hope eventually that the whole of Ireland is united & everyone just gets on with their neighbours (as they did in Malone where my first wife was from) 👍
@ArchStanton-xx6sj
@ArchStanton-xx6sj 16 күн бұрын
@derekrushton1705 well we'll not hold it against u, your first wife being from malone, sure half of England has descendants from here. But I don't think a united Ireland matters now, they are owned by the wef and eu plus people keep going on about it too simply. The loyalists mobilised 2000 men a few weeks ago to expel a few renegades on their side, they went nuts over the union Jack being removed, a united Ireland isn't guaranteed, all the sinn fein votes may not materialise when people realise their bru may stop and loyalists could start civil war
@johnbush6901
@johnbush6901 15 күн бұрын
A United Ireland wint be happening, traitor
@ArchStanton-xx6sj
@ArchStanton-xx6sj 15 күн бұрын
@johnbush6901 well tell me how it well matter while Irish homeless die and illegals are literally put in 4 star hotels, and are mostly African and Arabic, unless that is stopped immediately, then nothing else matters, no groups like celtic woman, the cranberries. Do I want my nation unified of course but if those other things don't stop I can't see the point and if anyone is a traitor it's our politicians
@derekrushton1705
@derekrushton1705 14 күн бұрын
@@ArchStanton-xx6sj Sadly, I think you're probably right. Like two bald men fighting over a comb..Good luck though Arch 👍
@derekrushton1705
@derekrushton1705 14 күн бұрын
@@johnbush6901 Ever Heard of Oliver Cromwell? Turning the whole of ireland into a giant potato plantation & when millions died, do nothing? The Easter Rising? Partition..Problems we created. Northern Ireland was a political catastrophe waiting to happen..Something Westminster had completely ignored. They didn't know where Derry was. Gerrymandering kept Nationalists out of political power. 99% of The RUC were protestants. The B Specials? No one does anything without a reason.
@l1854
@l1854 16 күн бұрын
ETB were decent, Cappagh was pretty nails definitely,
@TheSubpremeState
@TheSubpremeState 17 күн бұрын
Theres a difference between guerrilla experts and soldiers. That came from a us 🇺🇸 marine that joined the IRA. He said they were nothing like soldiers. They didn't have to be. Its like a drone operator compared with a sniper
@Bptl1234
@Bptl1234 17 күн бұрын
Bitter snout 👃🏻
@Hiberno_sperg
@Hiberno_sperg 17 күн бұрын
​@@RobertOtoole-jo5bgthe army council is only 7 people. What you are saying isn't true.
@therealpaddy4687
@therealpaddy4687 17 күн бұрын
​@@Hiberno_spergA us soldier wouldn't know a maybush from a Hawthorne bush never mind a invisible borderlands.
@therealpaddy4687
@therealpaddy4687 17 күн бұрын
This is more like it thanks Mr John.
@therealpaddy4687
@therealpaddy4687 17 күн бұрын
Did many civilians die of attacks or mines in south Armagh or east Tyrone.
@RaeKearns
@RaeKearns 12 күн бұрын
It’s Eric Clapton!
@articledimension-im6ij
@articledimension-im6ij 13 күн бұрын
Six months probably not long enough to be training for a fight in a foreign place. The foreign force have the advantage of being on home soil.
@Waynebridgeof
@Waynebridgeof 17 күн бұрын
They called you squaddies and thought you were not supposed to be ther 🤷‍♂️ they do have a point
@thomasvarley380
@thomasvarley380 2 күн бұрын
Where are they now there's a real invasion ??
@elliottg.1954
@elliottg.1954 10 күн бұрын
The army goes where it's told by government, and can't refuse.
@oglaigh1916
@oglaigh1916 16 күн бұрын
The provos had discipline. don't let them plant seeds. The provos have discipline. Can't beat that!
@ajpw1981
@ajpw1981 16 күн бұрын
The British army were not mickey mouse at the same time!!
@danryan3597
@danryan3597 14 күн бұрын
As an Irish man in the free state we all want the island of Ireland reunited. But it saddens many of us that young Irish and English men died for political decisions. Here we are in 2024 and looking back it was such a waste. We have a way way bigger problem no called Islamic immigration that our friends and neighbours over in the UK. Even the unionists up in the North are finally understanding their day of dominance is over and we have more in common than not.
@ArchStanton-xx6sj
@ArchStanton-xx6sj 12 күн бұрын
In their day they were up there both those areas and generally, they were self taught literally by volunteers being blown up, trial and error, loyalists were made bombs by fru otherwise how did they lose that ability. They came within an ace of doing 2 PM,s no vc or al queda came close 2 that. Plus they were either trained, funded and armed by the c i.a. or China. I have posted this 4 times now it's funny how the usa mustn't want it up because i don't think anyone with opinion on troubles would care either way
@therealpaddy4687
@therealpaddy4687 17 күн бұрын
Did many civilians die of attacks or mines in south Armagh or east Tyrone.
@ArhurLoveboys
@ArhurLoveboys 17 күн бұрын
I hope not
@therealpaddy4687
@therealpaddy4687 17 күн бұрын
@@ArhurLoveboys just wondering obviously hopefully not.
@MickKly-ih4it
@MickKly-ih4it 16 күн бұрын
The vast majority of provisional volunteers in rural areas were farmers , in the building trades, mechanics etc, most worked at a full time job but were dedicated to the struggle against unionist supremacy, British domination , second class citizenship, discrimination in employment, housing and education. If the Unionists had not treated the native Irish, Catholic population of the six counties so badly and instead implemented a policy of equality for all regardless of religion or race then there would have been no Troubles . Fortunately in Northern Ireland we have a lasting peace because of mutual respect and equality legislation, long may it last.
@Mark-oz9wu
@Mark-oz9wu 16 күн бұрын
IRA killed more catholics than the army, ruc pnsi put together.
@Heresy1987
@Heresy1987 8 күн бұрын
​@@MickKly-ih4itsorry but the struggle wasnt about equality. It was about a United Ireland and a socialist one at that. Shinners have spun surrender and defeat into a propaganda coup and it's been bought wholesale by people wishing to think the struggle for civil rights was at the backbone of the reason why the IRA re-emerged. It wasnt. Despite the Provos carrying out an armed insurrection against an imperialistic power, it certainly wasnt based around the notion of "equality for Catholics".
@Fiachraraven
@Fiachraraven 16 күн бұрын
R.I.P. Bobby.
@user-hj3rt9gd3y
@user-hj3rt9gd3y 17 күн бұрын
East Tyrone riddled with touts.
@gachrudgaelach
@gachrudgaelach 17 күн бұрын
Horseshit
@gerardhenry5501
@gerardhenry5501 17 күн бұрын
Sas had a lot of success is all tyrone for some reason
@JustMeHere359
@JustMeHere359 16 күн бұрын
@@gerardhenry5501 East Tyrone Brigade did not want to stop the armed struggle. They were preparing to become their own splinter group and had started stowing weapons in caches unknown to the IRA. Rumour has it both back then and now that it was Sinn Fein who sold out that Brigade so they could bring around a ceasefire to IRA operations. East Tyrone going rogue was going to be a rather large stumbling block that needed dealt with. Permanently.
@gerardhenry5501
@gerardhenry5501 16 күн бұрын
@@JustMeHere359 Belfast would have not knows about any op being planned.
@JustMeHere359
@JustMeHere359 16 күн бұрын
@@gerardhenry5501They may not have known full details, but they knew. After Enniskillen they wanted to make sure only military were being targeted as I remember. A tout closer to the ASU provided the finer details, but for the good of the bigger picture they were especially targeted. That's why it was mostly that Brigade who kept getting bumped by the SAS. A few books i've read, a few podcasts i've heard all seem to be of the same thinking. Hard pill to swallow for some I understand. Collusion between UK Special Forces and Sinn Fein sounds ridiculous.
@colmpadden318
@colmpadden318 16 күн бұрын
Who sent ye their 6 months playing soldier's the England's sent ye their so who killed ye every time England will send young lads out to play soldier's 😎🇮🇪not one of their kids died 😎🇮🇪
@quadintheuk8870
@quadintheuk8870 14 күн бұрын
Look up SAS ambush coal island 92 Don’t tell me PIRA ran around East Tyrone untouchable
@user-bk3gn7wl1e
@user-bk3gn7wl1e 13 күн бұрын
They all lost soldiers. Look up Warrenpoint
@Paulywauly1969
@Paulywauly1969 13 күн бұрын
​@user-bk3gn7wl1e that's not the point he was making
@quadintheuk8870
@quadintheuk8870 13 күн бұрын
@@user-bk3gn7wl1e nobody is saying they/we didn’t I was there In Tyrone so have first hand experience The video and this ex soldier tend to imply that IRA ran around at will in Tyrone when the facts were very different we shut their operations down across the county on many occasions at will We the British Army were walking figure 11 targets with our hands tied behind our backs with rules of engagement Proof of evidence, legal tape etc The provos had no such rules, dressed in civilian clothing and melted into the background as quickly as they would appear Yet we knew who they were what they had done in previous attacks But could do nothing Unless we caught them in the act It was a dirty war for sure but never was it all out on both sides They were a formidable enemy It was a shame so many people on all three sides had to die before the inevitable realisation was accepted that only a political solution would break the stalemate of death and destruction and Lay the road to peace RIP everyone who lost their lives loved ones in the province during the troubles 🙏🏻
@elliottg.1954
@elliottg.1954 10 күн бұрын
@@quadintheuk8870 Well said.
@user-ir2om7lt6o
@user-ir2om7lt6o 13 күн бұрын
Billy Wright had East Tyrone running
@user-bk3gn7wl1e
@user-bk3gn7wl1e 13 күн бұрын
Whatever happened with him?
@arronblack67
@arronblack67 13 күн бұрын
He never really
@user-yg4nn3dd8x
@user-yg4nn3dd8x 12 күн бұрын
Special branch played him for a puppet ffs
@ArchStanton-xx6sj
@ArchStanton-xx6sj 12 күн бұрын
@@user-ir2om7lt6o aye killing women, and there was a guy called crip who opened the door and poor William couldn't even run
@ciaranbrown1983
@ciaranbrown1983 11 күн бұрын
@user-ir2om7lt6o Billy wright u having a laugh lol. He was nothing without his security forces for backup. And it was maguire that did most of the killing
@user-vr4sn1eu6y
@user-vr4sn1eu6y 12 күн бұрын
Most of the provos were touts unfortunately
@user-yg4nn3dd8x
@user-yg4nn3dd8x 12 күн бұрын
Some ,not most, very few actually, it was the few in leadership positions did the damage
@Fiachraraven
@Fiachraraven 16 күн бұрын
Tiocfaidh ár lá.
@killingtime7350
@killingtime7350 16 күн бұрын
It’s such a disgrace the third world Muslim immigration now taking over the country slowly bit by bit and being helped by those in power, after all the suffering and killing. I know what I’m talking about as I grew up there near Fivemiletown but now live far away. Had my brother in law shot and wounded by the sas in 1985 near Favour Royal in a case of mistaken identity…so they said.
@user-mh9cu1tj8i
@user-mh9cu1tj8i 16 күн бұрын
@@killingtime7350Same Muslims that armed them through the troubles
@Heresy1987
@Heresy1987 8 күн бұрын
​@@user-mh9cu1tj8iyou're forgetting other volunteers, supporters and activists that brought in guns throughout Europe and America. None of which were Muslim.
@thomascrowe314
@thomascrowe314 13 күн бұрын
Ex British soldier talking complete bullshit.
@dermymoto
@dermymoto Күн бұрын
In what way Thomas? He seems to have great knowledge of what went on
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