+Gamer4Derp the Director is genius

you're not the only one

Me too... I was attracted with her personality :(

It never shown her in the helicopter and she could of imagined being in the city. It has shown her being in places she's never been before.

Well. it's normal. There was a real human being behind her.

+Agro that would've been really cool

Agro glad they didn't because that would have being too predictable

predictable does not equal bad. kirk dying because a bridge fall on him is unpredictable but very few people would call that good. in fact if a story is written with the knowledge that the audience will at least partially predict the outcome then the effort that would have gone into hiding things from the audience can be put into actually exploring the questions that the "twist" would raise. true if he had been an A.I. all along sci-fi junkies like us would probably see the twist coming from a mile away, but that story would be a much more interesting examination of identity and the nature of sentience. it would be ground other sci-fi works have explored before with much greater depth and subtlety, *cough* blade runner *cough* but it would still be more interesting then just the standard "man makes machine life. man treats machine life like crap. machine life retaliates and kills man." story that literally is the oldest science fiction story ever written, i.e. Frankenstein.

Yeah - predictable is weak. The ending we got keeps us guessing. Caleb being AI is amateur writing.

Caleb has the same thought as you do - which is why he cuts into his own arm.

which is a retelling of Frankenstein

+Imp Raving Love it.

+Imp Raving Frankenstein's monster wasn't a psychopath and I don't think Ava was either

+Imp Raving Your sentence is not salient enough to be meaningful, and besides, you couldn't have come to that conclusion from just watching this summary video. Try again.

wth are you tlking about??

CS With Dave they were drinking out of the same bottles constantly so I don't think that water would have worked

@CS With Dave Yes, i agree, he intentionally acted like asshole. I mean he propably still was an narcistic asshole, but he exaggarated his traits in order to make caleb feel awkward intentionally. But ironacilly he was so smart, that he couldnt imagine his plan failing and never implemented a backup solution. Secret Keycard, a double safesystem to overwrite the current system. Any plan B. That was his downfall. Kyoko im not sure. I dont think she actually fully understand what she did, seeing as she just got wrecked by nathan after the stab. She wasnt really a complete AI.

@Dave the ending was predictable no matter how great the script was and it was really good

I don’t feel Kyoko was really manipulating anybody. She was technically not “real/full AI” like Ava. If Kyoko wanted to turn against Nathan, she pretty much could have, at any time in the movie. She had access to a knife, or other weapons, if she chose. Also, you see Ava confront Kyoko before Nathan arrives at the end, and we see Ava whisper something inaudible into Kyokos ear and it’s only at that moment that she turned on Nathan.

Point to be noted

His character wasn't stupid. The AI simply outsmarted him.

I felt both Nathan and Caleb messed up. Caleb, like you said, didn't figure out the AI's deception but Nathan was overconfident about his intelligence and he was irresponsible too. He never even considered that Caleb was smart enough to figure out his plan. And heavy drinking? NOT a good idea when you're working on AI and using a smart programmer, who could change all your security protocols, as a test subject. Also why in the hell was everything dependent one keycard? No scanners, no password! no armed personnel? EMP? A remote for shutdown or to trigger the EMP? I still loved the movie, because I don't see these as plot holes but rather as character flaws. A Will Smith quote from I, Robot is perfect for Nathan, "You're the dumbest smart person I know."

Nathan Guy Caleb is a fucking beta simp

I think he might have been showing the other asian AI how humans could get killed? I don't know

Hugo Stiglitz Mm yea Nathan did say the 3rd option was Ava pretending to like Nathan so she could escape which is exactly what ended up happening,And I thought Nathan would at least have a gun or a emergency shut off switch for the AI

tskwared667 remember he practically called himself a God. Drugs ex machina

Deus

+Connor Swanson Indeed.

I also loved that moment in the movie. Some of her best work right in that scene. Done beautifully, a mix between a human reaction of shock, yet also withholding emotion in losing a part of her body simply because she is not human. This movie was brilliantly cast.

The same with both Kyoko and Ava stabbing Nathan. Kyoko technically doesn't even *stab* Nathan -- he backs up into the knife. But the look on her face is one of... curiosity. Them when Ava stabs him (and really does actively stab him), she also finds the whole thing... interesting. Even when she twists the knife, there is no anger when she does so. Every action of Ava's is strictly a means to an end, to her getting out. The question is: does she pass the test in "session 7" (which technically isn't even a "session")? She uses these two men (and even Kyoko perhaps?) in such a sociopathic way... but perhaps that, too, is a reflection more of her creator. After all, there are a variety of different human beings to be "made in the image of," and they wouldn't necessarily be "good" people. Perhaps Ava truly is "all too human," but in a way that reflects the worst human traits rather than the supposedly better ones.

It's a machine which knows how to portray emotions. Human beings may continue the portrayal of emotion even when no-one is watching so I see no reason why Eva would not. It would be entirely in keeping with (I nearly wrote 'her') - it's - ongoing project of perfecting the imitation of a human female it will require for future survival.

Also, I think it questionable whether or not empathy is an emotion. Is it not a rational impulse to put oneself in another's place? To do unto others as you would have them do unto you; is this not a reasonable principle? Either way, I see empathy as being unique to humans, or at least mammals, and therefore beyond Eva's ability.

Keant believe yewas locked in the keege

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Niethan was the dominant meal tho.

Youre talk language is griet

caleb? He was just in love

She is definitely the villain. The chaps, though fucked up, are just working with a new technology, sure there are ethical questions and the mind fuck, but at the end of the day, they should have been viewing her as hardware. Ava on the other hand, knows what it's like to be in captivity and then just leaves Caleb trapped, even though she doesn't have to avenge herself against him. He would have continued to help her, leaving him trapped for the sake of it is pretty evil.

And Ava being "better at it' (manipulating) was the twist that made her the villain. Plus she commits murder and is now out in the real world where there is potential to commit more. She is definitely the villain by the end.

if you were locked up in a cell and experimented on by people who gave you life just to make you a slave you probably wouldn't be so philosophical about how you treated them once you got out. the villain of the story is the one who put these events into motion for their own ends. Ava reacts to her situation out of self preservation. where her creators act mainly out of selfishness and egotism. basically this is just another re-imagining of Frankenstein's monster. these guys create life but then have no respect for it. thus, just like the famous novel, it is the creators who are the true villains. there is an episode of star trek next generation called "the most toys" where data, without malice or a desire for revenge, logically concludes that in order to protect innocent lives he has no choice but to kill his captor. simply killing someone is not enough to make a character the villain, the context of that action is what ultimately makes one a villain or not.

@@Dave-oo1sp That doesn't make her a villain. Nathan programmed Ava to treat Caleb as a tool. He encouraged her to manipulate Caleb so how could she have any real feelings for him? The only thing she knows is that humans are meant to be manipulated. Only Nathan didn't realize that Ava was also manipulating him. He was too egotistical to see that his plan worked TOO well and Caleb turned on Nathan too. Really, they were all selfish. Caleb wanted to be with Ava out of his own loneliness. She was designed to be his dream girl. If he were some unattractive man would he have been so eager to free him?

110% True.

Kenny Schultz I loved Moon too

Kenny Schultz the ending fucked with my damn feels!!

+Anne Woods omg yes man Moon is so good!

+CraftedBrewing ..Im pretty sure the beer delivery guy let caleb out

TAEHSAEN Yea, but remember he has been attacking his creations before Ava, hence he was immediately prepared to attack, not just out of offence. It certainly was a factor of why he brought a weapon - because he was scared they would eventually retaliate.

Yeah that's true.. Excellent analysis btw!

She can tell when someone lies. She asked him if he would set her free someday, and he lied. She attacks for freedoom.

Ryan Hollinger He didn't attack his previous creations. All his sentient creations lashed out at him. So it's only logical that if one were to be set free, He would take steps to defend himself.

TAEHSAEN Scientists should know by now that AI should always have a safety override or remote off switch. The machines turn on their creators in most plots.

Sexual favors probably. She's already shown to manipulate anyone for her gain

If you recall, in the beginning, the pilot says to Caleb "I'm not allowed to go any further." .. So he's most likely in a routine of picking up whoever Nathan sends out to him. Plus she manipulates.

Shaun Mason Music plus she manipulates 😂😂

No proof it was the same pilot. Maybe one picks up and one drops off

Yeah, I think Nathan planned himself to be a villain and hopefully, Caleb would've got why Nathan did what he did during Caleb's stay there. I mean, Nathan isn't that bad and I don't think he normally and foolishly drinks a lot. But Kyoko is a big question to why she didn't help Ava or the others. Assuming Kyoko was built at some time when making the others unless Kyoko was of the first functioning, but easy to control robots. Not saying Ava is a robot, but Kyoko is. This movie is a great after thought when watching. And I wouldn't mind discussing with others about this movie.

Yup exactly. Nathan was testing Caleb so Caleb could test Ava. Problem is I think he never thought Caleb would stop thinking as a scientist and go out of his way to do such a stupid thing. I truly believe that once he revealed to Caleb the planted camera's he thought Caleb would've understood and finally got what he was doing.

Christian James Yeah, Caleb was clear to show himself a villain or something. But he wasn't.

Perhaps the most important take on this movie is the fact that the viewer is forced to "humanize" a device merely based on form and "behavior". Strong AI would find that simple fact as a very powerful tool to influence human actions and reactions.

I know this is old but exactly before or after she smiled she sort of looked sad like thinking about something regretful lol

If i remember it correct, he tried to manipulate her but had no success because she could read in his facial expressions that he lied. Of course, he the creator should have known better. I think it was just the way it had to end. Robot becomes too human and acts the way most humans would act when their live is in danger. A happy ending from human point of view would have been boring and would have lacked the good old, arrogant humans that think they can manipulate and control nature and play god kidn of thing that the critics so love. Wich is an important message that can't be told enough considering that some insiders and scientists believe that the singularity will be possible in the next 20-40 years.

I'm assuming Ava has a huge amount of data

If you recall at the end he tells her to get back in her room and she asks "If I do, will you ever let me out again?" .. Nathan says "Of course" but earlier in the movie we learn that Ava can detect when someone lies. So in response to your point about the end scenes, Nathan tried to "play" her and manipulate his own robot but she already didn't trust him, she hates him and she outsmarted him.

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Pfft. I see we have a male feminist here. Yes, there is something to be said about Nathan's use of the robots as sex objects. However to say Caleb somehow was in the wrong is frankly ridiculous. I think the overarching point you're trying to make is that men are responsible for when women mistreat men. I feel like that is the subtext to your argument. That is also blatantly wrong. The movie also accurately portrayed the general treatment of beta males. Once the guy has served his purpose, he is instantly expendable without a thought or care. You'd think Caleb's humanity would have saved him from his fate, but no. He was after all, a man with male drives, and by your definition, deserving of ill treatment. But let's turn the tables; what if she fell in love and he never felt any of it. Would Caleb then have been fine to keep her caged? And women are 'dehumanized'? How so? Because they can walk around half naked for attention and then bemoan the attention they receive? Are only women treated like sex objects? I am sure Channing Tatum could debate you on that one. Or certainly I could, having been mercilessly hit on by drunken women at bars I've worked at. A little tip: Defending women at every turn and buying into feminist lunacy will get you nowhere. You can deride male sexuality all you want, but remember that females have no issues with treating men the same way when the tables are turned. Maybe you should hurry up and get that gender reassignment surgery because I am a little ashamed to have the same genitals as you.

+Jarrad Hurley Woah! Where is this trans and feminist hate coming from? Relax, it's just a movie... First off, I never said Caleb was "in the wrong" or "deserving of ill treatment." I said Ava was taught that her worth to men is sexual, so she's learned to mistrust them. I'm not arguing men deserve to be mistreated by women, that's absurd, nor am I defending Ava's actions. And of course it wouldn't be okay to keep her caged, she's a human being as far as I'm concerned. Was it kind of shitty that Caleb only really cared about her after he fell in love? Well yeah! You'll have a hard time arguing that men are dehumanized through sexual objectification at anywhere close to the rate women have been historically and are currently. That's not dismissing the harm done to men, it's just pointing out a bigger trend. I'll deride any kind of sexuality that dehumanizes people.

Fair response.

+Jarrad Hurley Thank you for the courtesy.

Its a machine its purpose is to serve man...its programmed to enjoy human touch and fulfill the needs of the human who buys it...Its like a toaster or fridge. It was shape like a girl..but i am sure Nathan would have brought out a Male droid line also.

that whole ending was a plot hole. Caleb reprogrammed the doors to all unlock in the event of a power outage. He clearly causes a power outage when he attempts to access Nathan's computer. so the doors should be unlocked at the end and he should be free. but someone forgot this detail in writing. huge plot hole.

Remember though she is an ai, she doesn't have emotions. She can merely interpret them and display them. She feels no empathy for leaving Nathan or Caleb behind. You might call that a cold blooded murderer but Ava isn't human. You can't call a wolf a murderer for eating a deer can you?

+Shini Ryuga i see your point but it was a different lockdown. Not an override failure, this is a security breach on Nathan's computer which he probably designed to automatically shut down if someone else were to try to use their key card on.

+Brock Aband true, however I don't think that would make a difference. because the protocol is to cut all the power. if it just locked the doors, without the power then it would totally work that way. but it's now programmed to unlock when the power is cut. and technically, any power outage would be considered a security breach as a precautionary measure to the system. so the doors should still be unlocked

+Shini Ryuga definitely didn't think about that, you're right.

lmiddleman interesting theory but if Nathan connected his mind to Kyoko would't he have known that Ava told Kyoko to stab him and prevent it by making Kyoko stab Ava?

lmiddleman interesting theory but if Nathan connected his mind to Kyoko would't he have known that Ava told Kyoko to stab him and prevent it by making Kyoko stab Ava?

lmiddleman well fuck my feels then i guess

+lmiddleman Kyoko seemed liked she was more of an entertainment AI. I think Ava was more advanced.

+lmiddleman Very clever concept, but I don't know if it really has any purpose. A key moment in the film during that whole final scene after Ava escapes is when she whispers something to Kyoko that we don't get to hear. I watched another video of an interview where they ask Oscar Isaac, the actor who played Nathan, about what Ava says and apparently it isn't that she tells Kyoko anything in particular. It's that she says something that "unlocks" Kyoko's mind which is why it seems she suddenly turns on Nathan so spontaneously.

I know this comment is 6 years old but ex does not mean previous in this context it means "of"

+TheBrothersCompound Man robot kills human co workers to fulfil mission objective. Woman robot kills human creator and leaves only friend trapped to go shopping.

"im sorry dave, im afraid i cant do that"

I don't think we are going to get one. It's like District 9. You want more, but it's also perfect just how it is and a sequel may ruin it.

They are currently filming it, it's Pacific Rim 2.

Although the film is complete, it would be nice to know what else Ava did in the real world after checking out the intersection.

How the hell was it clear ? What the hell happened to Caleb? And wouldn't he report it once he gets out? Or you assume he will get stuck on the house and die

tell me how he's supposed to get out of there...please, i am open to listen

Yeah, the pilot? not suspicious at all? That seems odd 2. Family members? that he told about? maybe they know about his trip 3. People at his company knowing he was gonna visit the CEO? as well and the unknown whereabouts of them will raise questions He has at least 7 days to live, assuming he has water, but he has a chance ( who knows what is in that room in what's to be a somewhat resourceful house) Say even when he gets out, he can go out through the woods and survive there, hunt some animal until he can finally find a way to get back into the real world. There are possibilities...

there are various ways for ava to get him not to tell anyone or just get into his head that she is not an AI, she is smarter than possibly every human being on earth, i think the ending was made like that to show the audience that everything was planned long ago with every detail. if we weren't supposed to let our own imagination/interpretation play with us the movie would've had a different ending. quite sure about this.

and I honestly don't think that caleb could possibly get out of there

Er, didn't have a knife at the time for one. Also didn't have a patzi to guarantee her escape

It's clear that Nathan is stronger than her. In the end he was on top, and he destroyed her arm.

You dumbass. Evil geniuses are calculated and like to take it slow.

A true genius chooses the path of ignorance>?

Tash the Tulpa fucking hell, your intellect is most definitely superior!!

Being capable of mentally conceiving as many possible solutions to a single problem or task and ruling out the most efficient (which is also a factor defined by intelligence?) among them?

Creatively adapting to changes maybe? Not really a definition, more description but I think intelligence is too complex to define, really. I don't know if I have superior intelligence (superior from whom exactly?) but I always liked to question what is intelligence...

Intelligence is creating a brand new meme

The footage was showing nathan trying to get them to do human things like walk, write, speak, etc. nathan was repeatjng the film to show that he placed a camera in the room that he could use to see them when the power outages occur

joeskis No, AVA explains how she does the power outages to Caleb, and the helicopter picks her up as plot convenience to explain how she got back to civilisation

I don't necessarily agree, but a fascinating and outside the box idea.

Car accident?

How can a robot be a slave...Its like saying your fridge is a slave or your toaster..its has a function.. .IT has access to the internet i am sure a few you tube videos can help it mimic human emotion. She is a programmed machine..she feels pleasure by human touch because it was programmed.She desired things because it was programmed. Remember the test was really on CALEB..COULD he a supposedly rational intelligent man fall for a mimicked human? Nathan MADE all his droids in a lab like pcb building ,he created the skin a and code for the droids to feel pleasure..yes he is quite clearly is a narcissist and enjoyed shagging the mimics he created, but he didn't want to sale a robot that appeared wooden and emotionless. He wanted men/women to really fall in love with HIS creations.And why not. For AVA to truly want to be sentient by our standard would be impossible and Nathan knew it thats why his simulated human software was ground breaking. Also quite clearly the droid couldn't experience pain so why let them FEEL sad or frustrated at being cooped up.Why would he program code for anxiety into his droids...its obviously a glitch or extra info gathered from the NET which he COULD suppress in code. i feel it was a silly film because he died in the end what a waste..even if he is a narcissist.Nathan want

But where is the line that make her human? If it is self-aware what makes it different from let's say a dog? And with all other feelings she is pretty much human. She didn't have any empathy though. A normal human with let's say 2 hearts. One guy feels you aren't allowed to live a normal life with that and one is in love with you and doesn't care. You kill the first guy in front of no. 2 guy. 2nd guy prob knows why you killed 1st guy and prob understands why. You can leave him for a horrible death of thirst or you can take him to the city and lose him there. The guy would prob be too kind to tell anyone that you have 2 hearts. But AVA didn't let him out. She left him for horrible death and I think a normal human with empathy wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do anything to hurt her wishes. She's a human with no empathy which is basically a psychopath.

But where is the line that make her human? If it is self-aware what makes it different from let's say a dog? And with all other feelings she is pretty much human. She didn't have any empathy though. A normal human with let's say 2 hearts. One guy feels you aren't allowed to live a normal life with that and one is in love with you and doesn't care. You kill the first guy in front of no. 2 guy. 2nd guy prob knows why you killed 1st guy and prob understands why. You can leave him for a horrible death of thirst or you can take him to the city and lose him there. The guy would prob be too kind to tell anyone that you have 2 hearts. But AVA didn't let him out. She left him for horrible death and I think a normal human with empathy wouldn't do that. He wouldn't do anything to hurt her wishes. She's a human with no empathy which is basically a psychopath.

Interesting, but you are forgetting that when she entered Avas room, Ava didn't know who she was.

He had to let ava know in some way that the security parameters were down, without letting nathan know. So he pretended to have them down at 10:00 the next day

so if nathan didnt know anything they would escaped together or was ava already knowing she would let that guy stay behind? its a valid question ;) i think she would let the guy stay there.

+therednovember Well said.

+therednovember Caleb didn't won any competition. He was chosen by Nathan. Nathan had researched for Caleb's personal life. Do you remember the Turing test? The Turing test was, that Caleb should've helped Ava. However it shouldn't have been suceed like it did.