Ex-Scientologist Chris Shelton reacts to the 5 SCARIEST cults

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Ex-scientologist Chris Shelton and I discuss the 5 scariest and most destructive cults in the world on Halloween. His experience in scientology gives him experience in diagnosing cults, sects and coercive control. After my videos on Tom Cruise, Danny Masterson and scientology, I thought Halloween would be a great time to investigate such cults as scientologists, Children of God, NXIVM, Synanon and many more.
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@cooperbt Жыл бұрын

I find that a common denominator of any extremist belief, be it religious, political, or even social, is the “we are better than you” mindset.

@MegaMARLEEN1 Жыл бұрын

Or win or loose mindset

@flowerjpotter1629 Жыл бұрын

How they feel about outsiders seems to be an indicator of one of the definitions of a cult.

@deborahlester4018 Жыл бұрын

I would add "We are the only ones who have the answers ."

@psychokitty7268 8 ай бұрын

Don't forget shunning.

@Squeakslacombe Ай бұрын

very true. I also hate the frase 'false religion'. No religion is false

@AliceNsWonderland Жыл бұрын

Chris seems like one of the sweetest people to ever exist! So thankful he escaped Scientology! Heartbreaking to think of someone like him being tortured

@AliceNsWonderland Жыл бұрын

Heartbreaking to think of ANYONE being tortured by Scientology, it just seems a little more egregious with someone so seemingly pure like Chris!

@flowerjpotter1629 Жыл бұрын

Chris always comes across so well. I like him and I can only imagine how much work he's had to do to get over not just the trauma but feelings of guilt or shame about what the cult demanded of him. His expression after he said that's what I used to do -- when they spoke about ex-members being hassled 5 years later. You could see the contortion in his face. Like you say, heart breaking.

@NewWorldDAO Жыл бұрын

@@AliceNsWonderland Why don’t you say my name why don’t you say what happened to me why don’t you talk about the heck that is cold totally being controlled by the Scientology Tom Cruise

@m5sunflower665 Жыл бұрын

He is BRAVE

@m5sunflower665 Жыл бұрын

@@flowerjpotter1629 yes and now he’s truly making a difference talking about this evil CULT Scientology. No true religion tortures it’s members , kicks his Father (DM) and TC knows this is done and the world needs to know

@eigos Жыл бұрын

Special thanks to Chris (and Andrew for hosting this), this is how lectures in universities need to be. Just have Chris go there and explain things to psychology students like this, I guarantee nobody will ever want to come late to a lecture (or flunk out on one). Very informative and most importantly - he gives off a positive vibe even when he talks about some really dark things. That's a pleasure to listen to.

@Happiness379 Жыл бұрын

I was just thinking the same. If I had a computer to attend classes online and watch KZfaq to learn, I would’ve been more motivated for school.

@claudiastokes6485 Жыл бұрын

I agree!!!!!

@m5sunflower665 Жыл бұрын

He’s a wonderful speaker

@jana731 Жыл бұрын

Literally, had the sweetest teacher/professor. It was an rather unimportant course (not obligatory to do it) and you were free not to go. To the last session everyone showed up unlike in the other more important courses where people weren't being present anymore. And afterwards so many people were sad it was the last lession, because we were all kinda looking forward to it the whole week.

@thomkatt3385 Жыл бұрын

two great informers together. doesn't get much better than this!

@DawnDoherty Жыл бұрын

Amazing! Cult survivors are resilient yet trauma ridden. The strength to move on is more challenging to muster up than most imagine. Knowing you’re not alone is inspiring so thank you for continuing this dialogue.

@rmm9676 Жыл бұрын

How to Spot a Cult - Markers: A Cult will say -- (1) You have a personal problem. (2) The problem is serious and usually existential in nature. (3) The "Group" has the total solution to that problem. (4) There is extreme urgency to resolve that problem. (5) Failure to act now assures terrible personal, adverse consequences. -- Whether religious or secular, just fill in the specifics for each marker. A Cult will have all these markers.

@cheriremily9360 Жыл бұрын

Isaac Bonewits created a Cult Danger Evaluation Frame in 2001 to rate groups within the Pagan community. It's based on the 1-10 scale with 1 being the lowest and 10 the highest. It rates Internal Control, External Control, Wisdom/Knowledge Claimed, Wisdom/Knowledge Credited, Dropout Control, Dogma, Recruiting, Front Groups, Wealth, Sexual Manipulation, Sexual Favoritism, Censorship, Violence, Isolation, Paranoia, Grimness, Surrender of Will, Hypocrisy, and Political Power.

@rmm9676 Жыл бұрын

@@cheriremily9360 Thank you. New resource for me. BTW - The Evaluation List misses two critical Evaluation Points: (1) Degree of isolation from, departure from or lack of acknowledged connection to the historical record of successful human potential methodologies. (2) Degree to which practices are placed outside the accepted sciences of physics, sociology and psychology. -- Scientology breaks the scale on both these. One can see that their methods are repurposed from multiple traditions. The degree to which history, science and logic are ignored or outright avoided by Scientology is massive.

@NewWorldDAO Жыл бұрын

You rape little girls Are you one of the ones is going to get the death penalty because you’re so fucking evil Is that why you’re not telling the truth is that why you’re keeping me in a dungeon is that why you’re preventing the world from living their lives because of your evil

@annabell3385 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like the Climate Alarmists.

@sallyhanson8317 Жыл бұрын

That's why I'm so hesitant to go to a church again. They kept calling me. I told them to back off. I have my own personal relationship with God. These churches shame you if you don't read the Bible every day. Red flag.

@Serai3 Жыл бұрын

If anyone is interested in the Moonies, there's a wonderful film called "Ticket to Heaven", starring Nick Mancuso, which tells a fictional story about a guy who falls into the Moonies. It lays everything out - how they gaslight and brainwash people, how they work them half to death, and how dangerous and difficult it is to get someone out. I HIGHLY recommend this film for how informative and well produced it is. (It was preceded by a documentary film called "Moonchild", which runs along similar lines, but I haven't seen that around since I first saw it in the early 80's. Tried to find it but haven't been able to track it down.)

@lucindahumphries4702 10 ай бұрын

I saw that movie forever ago and I would watch it again today.

@HarvardChickie Жыл бұрын

I love listening to Chris cuz he’s so kind; I can’t imagine the trauma he must have gone through so to have such a happy and positive outlook is unbelievable! Moreover he helps others leaving these horrible cults, he’s informative, and just so pleasant to listen to.

@danielapagano5644 Жыл бұрын

One of the best podcasts. Thanks Andrew and Chris 💗

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for listening

@laurenc2976 Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love listening to the conversations between these two individuals. So much intelligence and emotional insight 👌🏻

@NewWorldDAO Жыл бұрын

Jim Jones was fake It didn’t happen. It did No

@challengertankian6972 Жыл бұрын

Love you two! Your interviewing style is brilliantly open and genuine, and Chris’s charisma and warmth coupled with his knowledge and experience make for fabulous content. Subscribed and shared!

@Tracylyn42 Жыл бұрын

Since finding Aaron’s channel and then rewatching The Aftermath I keep finding people like you two who are so interesting. Great job guys. This is really good work you are doing. Keep it up

@athenenoctua75 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, this made me realize a pattern in my live. getting into and being in a cult functions like a toxic relationship. both are things i survived , both were damaging. i have to work on trauma that happened first to be really save from ending up in similar situations in future.

@ritz6982 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking about my toxic relationships too during this video. It’s really emotional manipulation and brainwashing, the same way.

@justanotherperson584 Жыл бұрын

Sooooo glad to see you connect with Chris. Nora Crests’ story was great Andrew. She was witty and thank goodness she was, as to keep herself sane during her Scientology experience.

@heatherwhelan1376 Жыл бұрын

Jim Jones was a real shock to the USA. It was a sad, hard lesson to learn about the dangers of cults.

@DebraJean196 Жыл бұрын

So glad someone is including Westboro in these discussions. I lived in Topeka KS, where they are based, for many years. Yes, they are small, but they sure were loud and proud.

@jdr9419 Жыл бұрын

You should talk about the Order of the Solar Temple cult. That cult was crazy as well.

@annabell3385 Жыл бұрын

Manson became a Clear in prison. When he got to California he went to the Scientology org where they wanted to put him to work sweeping floors to which he said "no, thanks," and started his own cult, instead.

@heldofhil7 Жыл бұрын

One of your best interviews yet!! Really love this! 👌🏼

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Yay! Thank you!

@michaelwagner8859 Жыл бұрын

I'd second that! Great collaboration! Really!!

@ThoughtPolice007 Жыл бұрын

Great show gentleman! Thank you for shedding light on a serious issue

@ahomeforallanimals Жыл бұрын

Cults take everything from you and tell you you have no where to go. I was in a university that acted as and treated me as if i were in a cult. And there is nothing you can do against them even when proven they are wrong and you are right. The experience has left me with nothing except the hope the afterlife will be as wonderful as i believe it to be, but the time on earth they have destroyed and killed me

@seawolfswimming Жыл бұрын

I've been listening to Chris' audio podcast for a couple of years. Nice to hear you two together. I'm grateful for you guys. Building a framework for logical analysis of abuse is helping me heal.

@clare1971 Жыл бұрын

Very excited for this as I have followed him for a long time

@Dawghome Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad I've subscribed to this channel. It's so great how the public can talk about this subject. About 20 years ago a lady on the helpline I'd called asked me what type of people might be susceptible to a cult and I know she hated my response because I told her..."Anybody really, because anybody can be vulnerable for all sorts of reasons. The silence her end spoke volumes!

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely right !

@NewWorldDAO Жыл бұрын

@LLight4 Жыл бұрын

Whoah. That "I'd take a bullet for Miscavige" hit me hard. I obviously know Chris as this Critical Thinker. At one time scientologist, yes - but just a former one, critiquing Miscavige as one should with this guy. And it's so crazy to think that back in the day... Chris would've take a bullet for that tyrant - no questions asked! Crazy crazy crazy

@helene8331 Жыл бұрын

This was so good. I love you guys. So pleasant and interesting to listen to . ❤

@aussieannie01 Жыл бұрын

Fascinating as always Andrew. Thank you 🌸🙏🏼💖

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Many thanks!

@Tru2itt Жыл бұрын

After 20 years of friendship, bible study through my cancer journey and other losses, my 2nd-gen JW friend, who alienated her daughter, called me a “person of interest.” 👀 I cut off the friendship in 2020. The org is huge & growing. Ty for covering this.

@Ladybug211211 Жыл бұрын

What is JW?

@rachelreneer56 Жыл бұрын

@@Ladybug211211 I was wondering the same thing.

@sallyhanson8317 Жыл бұрын

@@rachelreneer56 Jehovah Witness. MJ's mother raised her kids in JW, but when they got older, they left the JWs. That includes MJ. They ousted him when Thriller came out. Liz Taylor talked him into totally leaving it. He gave his life to Christ before he was killed according to people close to him. Lisa Marie was a Scientologist, but MJ studied everything and l doubt seriously if he was going to let this cult take his money. Lisa tried hard to manipulate him, but he did not like being told what to do. I did a lot of research on MJ. The Powers that be tried to slowly destroy him with the allegations in 93. They were destroying his image. When he broke the Contract in early 2000s and was exposing the industry, the 2005 allegations appeared. He was framed and the trial broke his heart. They killed him for his catalogue and owned half of Sony Publishing. He had really bad plastic surgery and vitiligo. He was a genius. Very sensitive, giving to a fault and very humble. There was no evidence at all that he was a pedo. No way. Pedos abuse usually hundreds of children and can't stop. So, this guy brushed off MJ. He needs to do his research.

@xINVISIGOTHx Жыл бұрын

@@Ladybug211211 jehovahs witnesses, one of the larger religious cults

@judibooty2091 Жыл бұрын

JW= Jehovah’s Witness

@kibundle Жыл бұрын

Back in the 1980s I lived in NYC a few blocks from the New Yorker Hotel--the base of the Moonies. I had never heard of them. I met one of their reps in my local laundromat and he was charming/calculating. We had a few coffee dates before he started telling me about his "philosophy". I went to their cafe in the hotel just to listen. I immediately saw it was nuts. I was a lapsed Catholic and saw right through them. He was an NBC exec, which still freaks me out.

@OlgaAlyce Жыл бұрын

My older friend, who was raised in Connecticut, said that back in the later ‘60’ and early ‘70’s she knew of many mini cults there, very much like the Manson family.

@ProfessorCupcakeTV Жыл бұрын

I am fascinated by Lev Tahor!!! Andrew: I am part of a well-connected circle that watches American Black cult activity here online. Black cults are nearly entirely excluded from the common discourse on cults. I know several survivors of “Dr. York’s” cult. He has the most prominent & massive pedophilia conviction by the US Federal government. I have approached many platforms about interviewing them & they are roundly ignored. It’s exceptionally upsetting to not see this aspect of our (US) culture ignored. Just this year two leaders were arrested & are awaiting trial in Georgia & Florida.

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Thanks PC TV! Will look it up!

@AspasiaB Жыл бұрын

It's probably avoided due to the race aspect. "Don't want to offend racial sensitivities". Like the way Samuel Little is ignored but you'll hear about Ted Bundy, Dahmer, etc., all day long.

@ProfessorCupcakeTV Жыл бұрын

@@AspasiaB Possibly. There are serious issues because the entire defection & de-programming arena never focuses on these cults.

@KimP-zy6ke Жыл бұрын

Another great show! I could listen to Chris for hours! Very interesting ❤

@conniegalanopoulos4911 Жыл бұрын

Excellent job. Chris is a wonderful guest. I loved listening to the both of you.

@michaelajoseph6856 Жыл бұрын

Please continue… very interesting! Thank you!

@cwarpaint2763 Жыл бұрын

Been watching you since Attwood. Love this channel. I've learnt a lot, about many really interesting things and people.

@panninggazz5244 Жыл бұрын

What a Treat! Thank you both!!

@Mudhut570 Жыл бұрын

This channel is my new obsession. I just love everything about it.

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

awww i love to hear it!

@orangysky9230 Жыл бұрын

Nothing was organic about Manson, his "Family" or the entire '60's social experiment, including the (beloved) music . See: *Tavistock; *"Chaos", by Tom O'Neill; *"Weird Scenes in the Canyon" by David Mcgowan,; *"Programmed to Kill: The Politics of Serial Murder" by David Mcgowan.

@kimberlygabaldon3260 Жыл бұрын

NXIVM was an LGAT, (Large Group Awareness Training seminars). They lure people in by calling themselves "self-empowerment" workshops, and ask for people to state their goals for participation. The goals of the participants are quickly replaced by the agenda of the group. There are dozens of such organizations, and most are breakaways and spin-offs from Scientology. They include est, (which is now Landmark), PSI, Lifespring, Choices, and too many others to name. If you don't remember est, (from the 70's), it would be worth looking up. They became famous for their extreme, abusive authoritarianism, and for not allowing participants to leave to visit the restroom for hours on end.

@VampyTN Жыл бұрын

Loved this conversation!

@VampyTN Жыл бұрын

fabulous show! thank you to Andrew and Chris

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@VampyTN Жыл бұрын

@@AndrewGold1 I always enjoy your shows. You're better than you know and keep getting better. Just look at your sub counter and it keeps growing! Woohoo! 🎉 Congratulations on your engagement too. Cheers 🥂

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

@@VampyTN aw so nice of you, and thank you!

@annabell3385 Жыл бұрын

The best Manson book is, imo, The Family by Ed Sanders. It was written at the time it happened and the author went into it to write some articles about hippies getting a bad rap but changed his mind upon spending time with the Mansonites. That one and Tom O'Niell's CHAOS which finally addresses intelligence involvement. The most famous book, Helter Skelter, is by the prosecutor who had conflicts of interests and shady dealings throughout the trial, and he left out key evidence while up-playing less important things. "Helter Skelter" is because Manson loved the Beatles music and felt that he was being directly spoken to through The White Album.

@ionia2376 Жыл бұрын

Marshall Applewhite's tragedy was that he was gay and in denial. He got fired from his job teaching music at a university for having an affair with a male student. A large part of heavens gate was eschewing sexuality as Applewhite believed it was the root of ,most of, if not all, problems.

@bluethunder7391 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video.

@Joey-dv8hb Жыл бұрын

Didn't Charles Manson used to be a member of Scientology and wrote a song with the Beach Boys?

@annabell3385 Жыл бұрын

Yes. The song is Cease to Exist. The Beach Boys, or Dennis Wilson, changed the lyrics and it pissed Manson off.

@mandyf9341 Жыл бұрын

HEY GUYS, Love it when you two get together ❤️ 😍

@CrookDanny Жыл бұрын

So impressed by how how easy this try makes it look. Inspiring and good motivation to practice!

@SHARON.I Жыл бұрын

Yay Chris Shelton 👏 interview.

@margiesmom4878 Жыл бұрын

Love your podcasts. Fascinating. ❤

@shannonflannery7841 Жыл бұрын

1. I’d love to hear more from both of you!

@alexandriafitts9262 Жыл бұрын

Great interview!! Chris does such a good job explaining the culture and how people get pulled into them. Andrew, you are so good at conducting interviews.....and are so handsome!! 👌

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Tbh Anke Alexandria !

@badtvbad1 Жыл бұрын

Of course the ship has already sailed on this one, but I find the term "drink the KoolAid" really offensive. It's entered our culture and there's no going back, people will say it all over the place. But for me it makes light of the Jonestown massacre. Comparing ordinary political beliefs to a 900+ person massacre, just really pisses me off. Ok, rant over. Thanks to you both for a great video!

@lydiadevries8408 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Andrew and Chris

@millville Жыл бұрын

@helen pigott I truly like your question. Twice in my life, I found myself in cult situations. Both involved a high population of people that were at different stages of involvement (recruits, novices, sworn-ins, devotees etc). By high population, I mean about 100 that were physically present and I met in person but at least another 100 people that were in the periphery. But what they both had in common was a founding couple and a distinctly small and restricted inner circle of about 5 people for the cult to be established in the first place. So my rough guesstimate is seven.

@NewWorldDAO Жыл бұрын

@akmediascope Жыл бұрын

We really need cult debunking in this country

@alwaysmarcy9428 Жыл бұрын

The one where you can figure it out is if you're allowed to walk away without any problems. And my religion which is Protestant, I've never been asked for anything to do anything, and if I wanted to leave tomorrow nobody would even ask me why

@jennebeattie3168 Жыл бұрын

❤️ Just to help the algorithm. You SO deserve 1 billion subscribers!!!

@justice-jb5ld Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you!!! I just found Andrew’s channel about a month ago and I absolutely love.

@Mr_A_Mia Жыл бұрын

Great video!❤

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!!

@sushanart Жыл бұрын

Love listening to Chris! 😇💖👍

@MichaelYoder1961 Жыл бұрын

Manson listened to the Beatles' White Album and believed it was sending him messages. Another great conversation with Chris! Thanks, Andrew! Perfect for All Hallow's Eve and have a happy Bonfire Night...

@gaylebaker8419 Жыл бұрын

Leo Ryan was not a Senator; he was a Representative. His aide, Jackie Speir, was shot five times while trying to shield herself behind airplane tires. She was rescued a day later, and currently serves as a Representative in Congress.

@rossmurray6849 Жыл бұрын

Hi Andrew. I think the saying you were trying to recall was that the worst kind of *dictator* is a benevolent one. In a sense that is true because anyone who opposes them must automatically have evil intentions.

@_ezrah Жыл бұрын

My uncle and aunts got into the Moonies with the mass weddings and as far as I know, they are still married to their spouses. They are also from different countries. I was probably 10 when this happened. But I remember my aunts would be going house to house selling catholic prayer stuff and rosaries, which was confusing to me. One of my aunts who was in one of the mass weddings left the Moonies soon after they married but she mentioned stories about helping other women leave their husbands.

@patrickbooth5091 Жыл бұрын

I've been involved in a number of cults. Both as a leader and as a follower. You have more fun as a follower, but you make more money as a leader.

@menaposerlister3593 Жыл бұрын

Fred Phelps is frying now

@jcoop49 Жыл бұрын

Great talk by Chris and Andrew.

@NewWorldDAO Жыл бұрын

Where is Claire. Don’t tell me there’s not a Claire Just because you guys got busted just because you guys trying to make it look like it’s about me just because you guys kept doing it over and over and over again you’re not gonna get away with that and you’re going to jail for the rest of your fucking life Claire tell the truth Come pick me up Yes Yes Claire is coming to pick me up Please have Claire come pick me up there trying to kill me I don’t have access to anything to charge I am in this dungeon and you know it please stop explaining what does engineers please take Claire to pick me up and get me out of your dungeon

@NewWorldDAO Жыл бұрын

The whole Jones thing was fake it was a movie production just like Vietnam started out

@NewWorldDAO Жыл бұрын

You wouldn’t do that if there was a guns involved you stupid idiot

@NewWorldDAO Жыл бұрын

It was all fake it’s all fucking fake just to make news

@Trayleen Жыл бұрын

Kudos for the Dog 🥰

@ianmcclory9297 6 ай бұрын

I like that Miscavige is being made to jump through hoops to evade all these court cases it appears all those years of abuse have finally caught up with him it couldn’t happen to a nicer person

@lucindahumphries4702 10 ай бұрын

Yes! Thrilled to hear the term double bind. I used to call my abuser The Mistress of the Double-bind.

@shinykazzadragon Жыл бұрын

There's a book, if you can get hold of it, called "Slavery Is Alive, And We Are Not Well," by Hugh Savage and Ethyl Quiring, that outlines cult attitudes.

@elizabethheyenga9277 Жыл бұрын

I was in my teens and 20s during Manson, Jim Jones, etc. As a Californian I got a ringside seat - in LA I saw family members on the street with shaved head, I had a teacher who lost famliy in Guyana and heard the first hand story. Moonies accosted me in parking lots. My BF in childhood got roped into Scientology and became Sea Org and had to hide when she left. She also had me go to a talk but fortunately I went with friends and we laughed so hard they kicked us out. Thank God. You did "miss" that many of Manson's family were actually disenfranchised rich girls,, people at the edge of music and Hollywood (Beach Boys are the connector to Manson through some members). The LoBianco murder was random but a big piece.

@flowerjpotter1629 Жыл бұрын

The way they gain power over the individual goes to show how malleable our minds are, plus the pressure of group think. Scary stuff. Hubbard always strikes me as having been a large wolf dressed up. Manson did one or two Scientology courses in prison is what I heard.

@panninggazz5244 Жыл бұрын

“Holy Universal Union, Batman!” - Doctor Shelton

@christinaraiz3111 Жыл бұрын

would love more , also would like some about political cults and leaders

@thezieg Жыл бұрын

Well done.

@hollycipriani6175 Жыл бұрын

1! Also: for your consideration- The IBLP (Institute of Basic Life Principles) as seen on TLC’s XYZ# of Kids and Counting and Counting On (The Duggar family) and AUB (Apostolic United Brethren-polygamous Mormons) as see on Sister Wives.

@nathaliedufour3891 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant 👏

@lisap9936 Жыл бұрын

I was in a cult from 1960 to 1971 in London. I was told by one of the ‘ tutors’ that if l left l would be lost in outer chaos!

@JohnSmith-rn7so Жыл бұрын

Would love to see an episode on the ant hill kids. I thought they would be on this list actually. Very bizarre story.

@RandomChristianMusings Жыл бұрын

Dear Andrew. L. Ron Hubbard claimed to be "best friends" with Aleister Crowley. Crowley was a black magician who founded the occult religions of Thelema and the Ordo Templi Orientis. He called himself, "The Great Beast - 666." One ritual involved young boys. He taught "sex Magick," [sic] and believed one would receive great power by raping little boys, and having perverted sex rituals with adults. He wrote in his The Book of the Law, *"The best sacrificial victim is a young, male child of high intelligence and perfect innocence. Human sacrifice, although more dangerous, is most efficacious. For nearly all magickal [sic] workings, human sacrifice is best."* I wasn't sure if your research uncovered this. *Thanks for another great upload. Shalom.* ❤

@cheriremily9360 Жыл бұрын

Now, I'm going to ask you to site your sources. You've got me curious. Crowley was a sick SOB and a drug addict, but I've never heard of him having a connection to L. Ron at all.

@RandomChristianMusings Жыл бұрын

@@cheriremily9360 I think it's wonderful you're asking questions. In fact, it's *always best* to do your own research! The statement of him being "best friends" with Crowley came out of Hubbard's own mouth. There's Y/T videos of him saying it. If I have time before bed tonight and work tomorrow A.M., I'll come back here and post a link. Take care, hun☺

@heldofhil7 Жыл бұрын

Always a pleasure!🥰

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Thanks :D

@elizabethlanders9805 Жыл бұрын

Love listening to Chris Shelton.! So Informative, I love everything he has to say! He mentioned Tony Robbins, doesn't like him, neither did I. Does everyone know the name Dawn Watson except me? Couldn't find her here. She was in the audience at a Tony Robbins event 2016, Via the Netflix special: I Am Not Your Guru.. Absolutely gut wrenching listening/watching her tell how she was raised in The Children of God cult . She has her own podcast. Evidently Tony is the Real deal, and that surprised the heck out of me. Keep up the good work Andrew!☺️

@trollhunter3969 Жыл бұрын

Re: Manson, I would amend the analysis to point out that he reportedly reached a high level of Scientology training in prison. He was also a pimp between incarcerations, skills he learned from pimps in prison. He love bombed and beat the women, like pimps do. So, he had pimp skills and Scientology mumbo jumbo.

@AmyInBoston Жыл бұрын

Wow what a treat!

@lunkis3233 Жыл бұрын

Hello Chris and Andrew great video. Do they use hypnosis too?

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

I guess some forms of it. Suggestion, anyway.

@jeanthornton2107 Жыл бұрын

Theres soooooo many facets of Scientology and all your guests on this topic have different takes on it. I think you should collate all this info and put a book out. Thanks Andrew ♥️

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Not a bad idea. One day, one day!

@BarbaraWarren1111 Жыл бұрын

You look fabulous tonight, Andrew! I really enjoyed this livestream...I think it was only my second one with you. I think the others were "pretaped" premieres... which are great too! Happy Halloween 🎃👽👹👻😈🤖 ...from Newfoundland Canada !😳🇨🇦🧡

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Oh thank you!

@cdd4248 Жыл бұрын

He does look good; must be the turtleneck!

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

@@cdd4248 hhehe and I shaved for it!

@benandemmasmom Жыл бұрын

I remember when Mason and Jonestown where front page, happening now. Your view is interesting.

@joannegouws68 Жыл бұрын

PLEASE PLEASE would you do a show on Ramtha Cult - scary beyond belief - a very exceptionally intelligent friend of mine got involved and she’s lost everything and gave this cult all her money - please do some research and do a show on this - it’s a huge cult

@AndrewGold1 Жыл бұрын

Interesting, will mention to Chris!

@MegaMARLEEN1 Жыл бұрын

Thank u both for teaching us all about reasonable thinking and reasonable acceptable differences and even logical differences between people and the differences with healthy approaches towards this and on the contrary abuse and cohersive control and what it does. Dialogues like this and testimonies of abuse should never stop, so we all can protect ourselves from falling for the wrong things, specially at difficult times of our lives.

@lydiadevries8408 Жыл бұрын

In outback Australia the tussle through the bushes could really be a snake 🐍 😅

@patrickcosgrove886 Жыл бұрын

Another cult group that originated in China has a publication called the Epoch Times. And a political group called the Revolutionary Communist Party headed by a character named Chairman Bob Avakian. These are both based in the United States.

@cheriremily9360 Жыл бұрын

Is that those weird ads that pop up sometimes on YT claiming to be a news source?

@darlenedillehay4826 Жыл бұрын

AA is now a cult, it's a shame.

@Mr_A_Mia Жыл бұрын

I say this with so much respect…but I cant help but hear Jim Gaffigan when Mr Chris Shelton speaks and i close my eyes.😂 Anyway, thank you both again for this video.

@absinthemindedJ Жыл бұрын

Hot pocket 🎶

@metal-kitchen Жыл бұрын

When I was young my grandparents when on a free trip to Korea sponsored by the Moonies. They were not interested in the cult at all, they were already in their own. They just had to tour some churches and listen to some lectures, said they were nice enough, kind of strange.

@obgfoster Жыл бұрын

Chris needs to read the psychological biography of Manson by Jeff Guinn. It explains most of what these two are guessing about.

@NewWorldDAO Жыл бұрын

@elisamastromarino7123 Жыл бұрын

All of us have so many restrictions on our lives, and some are good (like prison) 😄 ...but we already have so many rules that, as an irreligious person, I just can't comprehend why people would want more rules and more restrictions that seem to be the only thing these cults can offer. I also noticed that a lot of these cults use women for their own selfish purposes. Mormons do it and before it was illegal, the men would even marry several women. Does anyone remember Roch Thériault from Canada? He cut one of his wives arms off and killed another. There's a film about it called _Savage Messiah_ with Polly Walker. Just crazy! I was so shocked to see that. He finally died in prison. But the things he did to his wives and children are unspeakable and yet he got away with it for years. I could listen to this guy forever.

@AspasiaB Жыл бұрын

I was looking to see if someone was going to mention the Ant Hill kids/Roc Thériault. Aum Shunrikyo (Japan) was intense and deadly as they launched the serin gas attacks on the Tokyo subway in...2007? I can't remember the dates but the early '00s.