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None of the games released today have earned the right to seventy dollar games. Since most of the games releasing today are broken anyway. Lol

I’ve always hated the “lets make game look realistic” thing. Sure the game looks nice now but if I wanted to look at something nice I’d go to an art museum. It’s like we’ve decided that the gameplay of a game isn’t the priority

Buy the games that are worth $70 TO YOU or simply wait for sales, pirate, or skip out on games entirely

MW3 was 1 billion? LMAO it must be a money laundering scheme or they spend it all on marketing

One of the most annoying things about game prices is that , they talk about how much games cost to make but they always continue to make the worlds bigger ,and the games longer ,

The most important element that is missing is the following one. These days, big game companies, hire psychologists to trick the consumers to spend their money. There is also a lot of bias towards newer releases and a bubble by ignoring successful small and cheap games. Consumers are drilled to the "new=good" mentality. There is an insane amount of awesome games, yet their brain is getting turned off by the next commercial.

"Sure some of the games from the early 2000's are cool but fundamentally a lot of them unless you are playing them back then are very hard to play them now" ...are they really? I swear I see people playing old games with no problem.

I’m so thankful that I’m frugal af and virtually immune to hype. I’ll wait them out… they will be sub 30€ someday and I’ve got a hell of a backlog to catch up on.

We definitely can't expect a change when the industry is dominated by these publicly traded companies with shareholders to answer to. I think the best answer to this question is the same with most other industries: Employee owned and operated Co-Ops. Have the industry be run by the people actually making the games and love making them, not out of touch tech moguls. Indies can also make up the lack of resources by allowing players to mod their games into what they want it to be. Our society also really needs to embrace niche interests and markets again. Play what is interesting to you, not what everyone else is playing.

I've been gaming for 20 years, I've also been watching content on gaming for well over a decade. General rule was always about $5 profit for retailers like GameStop. An analysis from 2009 have GameStop's profit per new game at about 6¢ (1¢ per $10) [physical games] Publishers and developers chose to make games cost this much, that's not on the customer. I'll continue to wait for games to be $40 or less to deny this industry as much profit as I can.

I have so many games I never need to buy a new game, that’s why I never pre-order or buy day one. I wait a year or so after the game is finished and on sale, win win.

1 billion for mw3!?!? There is some money laundering or something going on

A public company absolutely can't break this trend. They are, as you said/implied, their main responsibility is to serve their share holders business interest, which is expensive games with lots of opportunities for post launch monetization rather and make a barely more than passable, but as addictive as possible game for their customers.

I agree that games should be $40 to $50 nowadays and I do wish that all games now would have a 2 hour trial for everyone on consoles and pc. Being able to test a game out before you buy is such an important thing that nobody does now because it would lose them a lot of money since the main thing now is deceptive marketing

Games today have a habit of falling into the work ethic mindset. Too many games feel that content is basically "kill X players with this gun" Or "use X item 100 times". Basic tasks on the same map over and over doesn't make it content, it makes it tedious. Most people use COD as the worst of this, but a more egregious AAA game is anything fighting game related. In the past characters were unlocked by playing the game, now they are on the disc but locked behind a payment which should be illegal. If the content is on the disc why do I have to pay more to unlock it. Lazy by developers and of course they still sell constantly because people have FOMO so nothing will change.

At the end of the day, they only charge these prices because enough people are willing to pay for them. If people stopped buying $70 games they would be forced to drop them to $60, it's as simple as that - same goes for micro transactions. And for those who'd say this wouldn't be viable from a business POV, just remember these cooperations are reporting record profits every single year... It's even mentioned in this video. So we have the power to change this but way too many people are just too weak-willed and feel like they've got to own these games no matter the cost.

In all fairness, back then like 30 years or so people were complaining about how games were so expensive and that there were claims that there was price gouging. It feels like we're talking about the same thing still while at the SAME TIME have to worry about microtransactions which behave more like macrotransactions in mobile and live service games as well as some games (Asura's Wrath) would boldly hide what's suppose to be something you get normally with a paywall just to gain access to the true ending of that game. Yakuza: Infinite Wealth is a more recent example when they would charge $15 to play New Game +, a feature that you would get for free in any other game but apparently not this one.

We should do the following as clients: - Set our sights in AA/indie developments - Allowing indies/AAs to be mainstream, become skeptical if they go public in the stock market - Turn modding into a mainstream choice - Avoid getting too invested into massive multiplayer games, specially economically, to avoid losing money and/or time to a now unplayable videogame - Play on PC, even if that means lower graphical fidelity - Never play a free to play game, instead pirate AAAs if possible - Inform yourself about the game before buying, test if it runs, if it's enjoyable, if it isn't a outright spam - Boycott DRMs such as Denuvo

too big to fail is why I hover around studios like Marvelous, Exceed, Idea Factory, ect. Big enough to make a decent production, not big enough to tank fucking around and finding out. Oh hi Wizards of the Coast

I Hate F2P Games, the live service system is one of the greatest symptoms in the ill gaming industry

I dont mind $70 games, but when its $70 + $50 yearly battle pass + Loot Boxes + Cosmetics......its just TOOO FUGGIN MUCHHHHH!!!!

"Why does Sony make more money from a 1st party game than a 3rd party game?" My brother in Christ, THEY MADE THE GAME. They spent money to make a 1st party game, but none on a 3rd party game. Every penny Sony/MS make off, say, Cyberpunk is pure profit. Meanwhile, at $50 per copy sold, Sony would have to sell 6.54 MILLION copies at $70 to break even.

Agreed on the pricing I mean I saw a game on the App Store $139 now I understand that was the deluxe version with all DLC but I’m seeing newer games upwards if not 100 so yeah it’s crazy but once all games are $100 more. I’m done I can’t do that do I remember when I was a kid we were considered geeks and this was just an immature waste of time. How has it become a rich man’s hobby now?

What happens to the actual developers when all the income got divided into Publishers, Retailers, Liscence, Pysical copies and unsold inventory ?

Companies will ask for money. If users will pay what companies ask, then they are doing something right.

I want to blame Sony because they're the ones who started the whole trend for $70 games.

i 100% agree with every point in this video, i love how you try to be un-biased as possible, and you got a great commentary voice, keep it up

YOU MISS THE FACT THAT games DONT WANT TO BE THIS EXPENSIVE its the SHARE HOLDERS AND THE LEADERS PUSHING THE MARKED INTO UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS.. they dont WANT TO INCREASE THE PRICE THEY HAVE TO. its ridiculous

The indie scene in the sense of music and doing the work in more private studios, or even on a laptop came up. Hell they're doing filming of some interesting bits with phones now. Sooner or later that tech level and people able to make things happen easier is going to catch up. These companies can learn now, or fall into collapse later.

Very well done video , great points and views .. nice work ..

Thank you for getting into this mess because you did all right with a good points

priced games with mts never sat right with me. its either your game is f2p w/ mts or paid w/o mts. having both paid + mts is just greedy af, especially if its $70. note: by mts I'm referring to in-game cash shops and not necessarily dlc's or expansions.

It was a good video to watch and the price for some games is understandable but others I do agree with you that a good amount don't deserve the price increase and the companies are just trying to get more money out of people

Great video, but I'd recommend citing your sources in the description or doing that and a little card in the video. Fantastic work, mate!

Not only you get scammed by paying for unfinished games, you get scammed cause the graphics are focusing on fuckin dust particles so you also have to pay for the increased hardware. Pc gets hit the hardest with that though

A lot of these modern releases aren’t even worth the $70 price tag. The studios and companies are simply bloated and have too many hands on deck for their own good. If the games were great, it would be justified but they’re trash, have political topics shoved into them and are made with pretentious writers thinking the fans of these franchises and genres don’t know what they want and their degrees and positions mean they know what’s best for the consumer when it’s obviously not the case. $70 will only be the standard if morons continue to feel obligated to buy the overpriced product. If they can’t help themselves and they for some reason NEED the product at launch because they have issues and can’t seem to wait and do research or send a signal to greedy companies that the product is subpar, the quality isn’t there and their teams are too large... Ubisoft is a perfect example of this.

i dont care about paying for games, but what we've been given by triple a devs for the last 5+ years has barely been games. i have bought many indie and early access games for $10-$20 that ive spent hundreds to thousands of hours playing then i buy a triple a game, play for an hour and 45 mins then get a refund because its not worth losing that money. at this point i hope all triple a devs go bankrupt and all of that talent go to other indie devs to actually make great games.

This is why I NEVER bought or will buy a game at full price. I always wait until a 20$ - 40$ discount. The only game which I paid full price was Elden Ring. And that's because Elden Ring is a masterpiece, with mods and replayability.

Love the videos Exiled

indies and AA games have been my go too with gaming as of late, indie especially, because more often than not because they’re not tied to release goals and such, they generally have more creative freedom over their projects, and in most cases because they don’t have the same budgets as major game studios, they don’t have charge a great heap in return. Plus sometimes I just prefer the smaller bite sized experiences

You guys have to realize (like I myself had to as well) that these new lot of devs/pubs aren't really passionate about video games or making them. They're passionate about money and making IT! Support smaller studios and indie devs. I myself have started my game development journey and am making my dream games that I've always wanted since I was a kid. 👌🏾

Can't wait for the vid on exposing Quadruple A games!

Love the videos

Fortnite, despite its criticisms prior, the reason why i appreciate it is because the fact that it's free and sometimes offer free items that doesnt affect gameplay and the fact that it offers a lot to the player. Kind of like how Team Fortress 2 is still alive to this day

id love a video about how epic is treating their games and playerbases and comunities besides fortnite because they are just try to milk all the money out of games like fall guys and rocket league to make it into a fortnite mingame for they're fortnite multiverse or something like that and for the players of these Games its just frustrating to see them not comunicating with anyone about it and then just killing of a big comunity part of the comunity for it and make people loose their job because of it. youre video is great btw I love it keep up the good work

Preach on brother... when I become overseer of the entire games industry, I'll mention you.

Amazing video but super sad!👍

I'll go with an "indie" now any day. THEY seem to have a ...passion to make a...game. A FUN game, a WORKING game. Yeah they want my money buuuttt not ALL of it annddd after I buy their game they don't just stand there with their ...handS out, more money, more money. I got a couple that are "early access", if I didn't know it, I wouldn't KNOW it. Also what's this $70 you're talking about? In Canada, on Steam they want 93.00 for Slopfield. They can dreeeaammm on about that one. Maybe, maaayyybbeeee when it's on sale for 4.99 the...maybe...maybe.

10 people made palworld. AAA companies are paying thousands of people, and this does factor into what the game is going to cost to make.

A 1 Billion Dollar budget for MW3 is some real nasty work.

Thank you for talking about this subject and PS. Sorry about the long message. So around the 20 min mark you hit the nail on the head with fomo. Let's look at Destiny for example, I used to play Destiny all the time even played Destiny 2 ended up stopping but got back into it during Forsaken dlc. Long story short I have spent a lot on in game micro transactions just for gear that would be unlockable in games of the past. Between all three characters. Close to 3k maybe more and that is just in one season all around you are looking maybe close to 20k. Could be more could be less idk however I am proud to say I am no longer playing Destiny and I am avoiding games with micro transactions. Do you know how difficult that is in this day in age of gaming? The fomo is real, do not be tempted by an item that should be obtainable while playing the game, not from a stupid in game shop that is designed to keep you buying because that one item you really want well it will be gone soon so you should buy it now before it's gone for good. You don't want to be the only one not looking cool right? It's a sick method game companies have been using for years.

5:00 that's why I'm glad I mainly play Jrpgs. Most of the ones I've played are over 100 hours long and have little to no errors. They're complete games

If we get charged for the hour I’ll just go back to playing 360 games

The worse part is before games were physical, so now all games are digital so the companies don’t have to spend money in manufacturing so even with the increase their pocketing hella profit at our expense. Since everything is digital games should be cheaper!

And players also have to purchase a PS Plus subscription in order to experience these video games at their fullest. It's ridiculous.

I can't remember the last time I've ever paid more than $40 for a game, and even that's rare. I usually wait awhile after the release so that they can finish the game if it's a high-priced game, or I just buy a console game pass card for a month and play the $70 game for $15, case in point, Starfield.

I like how Hollow Knight devs went completely insane with how that game was cheap and it spread like wild fire. They released content updates, like new quests, bosses for free and it got to the point that people actually felt guilty for buying it for such low price and that any other Metroidvania coming after didnt even dare to ask more for an inferior product.

Nice presentation 👌

Some of the best live Service games rn are Priced around 20-40. Everything above is too much

How. On Earth. Did MW3 cost $1 billion. Treyarch built it in a year… with a box of scraps.

Another issue that usually people don't mention is regional pricing, or the lack of it. Back when GTA V released on Steam, it was $60, but on Brazil it was around R$100 BRL. Which was around $30-$35 at the time, that made the game very accessible for us. Now let's look at most new $70 releases, and they cost... R$ 350! Which is around... R$ 350 in today's exchange rate, sometimes the game is even cheaper by a few cents if we pay in USD depending on the day's exchange rate, it's a complete absurd. While there are some publishers who still employ some decent regional pricing (Larian Games, CD Projekt, THQ Nordic...), most of the large AAA publishers like Sony, Take Two, Sega and others, do not.

I remember when game studios were talking about how new games coming out on CDs would be selling for $20 to $30. Never happened. Games on CD still sold for $30 to $90. Then one day I bought a new game, and it REQUIRED registration on STEAM. That was the day when I realized boxed games were effectively dead. Made no sense (to me) to buy a boxed game just to be forced to put it on STEAM anyways. What amazes me is when a small studio puts out a good game and huge AAA studios often put out crap games costing mega-bucks when you get hit with the loot boxes and in-game stores (pay to win).

Thing is I get games that are available physically because my game shop sells them for a bit cheaper than it would to purchase it digitally

Of all the years and all the games I've played, I have only ever bought two microtransactions, the Bacon customization pack in Black Ops 2 and the Captain Price pack from CoD Ghosts. If everyone was like me we would have better games because developers would put more time into a good game and less on an optimized in-game store.

Wtf happened to demos? Playing a shortened version of a game for free was always a great way to determine whether or not you wanted more. Granted, there were plenty of times where the full product would still disappoint you…but surely demos would help

Most of the money that AAA games make goes to executives and shareholders. Devs are getting screwed over just as much as consumers, sometimes more since despite record profits every year the layoffs are constant. D4 used dark patterns to screw people out of their preorder bonuses, most AAA games release broken, they also rely on predatory system mechanics/design to leech as much money as they can from each player.

For ALL the money Rockstar has made off of gta online they should NEVER have to charge a PENNY for ANY of their games again...EVER.

There's games on the PS Store that are $125 AUD for just the standard edition, stupidly overpriced.

With these call of duty games cost. Did they calculate all the previous releases they copy/pasted from into the cost as well? It's practically the same game every single year. How does that cost so much?

damn, MW3 remake costed a billion dollars to make and that's all they have to show for it?? embarrassing

You said 6:00 a game can be worth 100$ because it was that good, but should still probably be 60$, well I say, the company should then just make more merchandise which you can purchase instead of making the game more expensive. 10:00 realistic graphics will never age as well as stylized graphics. Also you didn't actually mention anything about Developers being employees and not the CEO nor shareholders(usually) who in the end rake in the majority of the money and the devs get a paycheck, and MAYBE just maybe a bonus depending on how well the game does, but I doubt it.

10:22 with the exception of most Valve Titles

Fortnite does it perfectly fine for me, I don’t feel scammed out of spending money like I do with apex because I know that money is going to passionate developers and an ever lasting game that has been in my playstation Home Screen since it came out. But no other game can do microtransactions like Fortnite especially destiny 2 which I already have to spend 100 dollars every year for the next expansion and “episodes” now and then having an egregiously overpriced cash shop just pisses me off.

I actually have fun with Skull and Bones. But I'm still the one to admit Black Flag was better in a lot of ways. And I agree that the pricing is pretty terrible. That and though i find the game fun and rather kind of engaging in some ways, it does kind of feel like what a lot of today's games really are. Something that could've been done even on less butch hardware, and a game that would've been interesting to have in a way to play on, on the go. Want a cheaper option too Skull N Bones? Go check out a little game called Under The Black Flag if you'd like a solo venture. And on the Nintendo Switch of Steam to play on a Steam Deck or something like that for quite the game of that experience on the go.

We could probably solve this issue if more people just stopped Pre-ordering products that haven't released yet as that lowers the incentive to do a good job the more pre-orders a game gets. Gotta make them work for the money.

It’s crazy that the total price of call of duty is $170+++. If you consider someone who buys battle passes at $30 a pop waste of money.

not to mention..the cost if subscription to psplus..where in os3 era it was free online

Remember kids, yargh hargh, do what yee please. Do what you like cause a pirate is free. You are a pirate. Arghh!! Ha ha ha ha! YOU ARE A PIRATE!!

Reason why older games end up feeling better to play was cause of hardware limitations and how developers would need to be clever to work around them. But newer games can get away with more cause developers lack any real hinderances and dont need to try be as clever anymore during development. Thus, modern games feel lackluster.

AAA been real quiet since this dropped

New games in Australia are usually $95-110. It sucks

Skyrim's DLC was a mockery compared to the major expansion of Oblivion, 'The Shivering Isles'; And yes, I'm also taking into consideration 'Dragonborn'. And also, all of this "higher cost to make games", only applies to 'AAA' games. 'AA' and 'Indie' games, are made relatively cheaply, with very small teams.

Activision is trying to be like Fortnite but the key thing activision always seems dumbfounded by is that Fortnite is fucking free and the money you would’ve spent buying the game still goes to the game because of the micro transactions activision is basically trying to have their cake and eat it too they want to charge 70 bucks for the game and still want you to buy $30-$50 bundles

A simple example of why $70 to "cover development costs" is a lie are fighting games where you're basically strongarmed into getting the $100 deluxe edition to get all the characters in the first season

I'm yet to buy a game at 70 dollars. I've been lucky that most of my must haves have still released at 60 or less

For the worst monetizing practice, I refer to Rockstar: Take existing cars from players and put them behind a GTA+ subscription. EVEN IF THEY WERE ON THE COVER OF THE DISC. SINCE XBOX 360. Rockstar, ladies and gentlemen. 👏

Regarding the last section of your video, CDPR used to be precisely that company, until the Cyberpunk 2077 fiasco. As for the rest of it, it's not a gaming issue but rather a consumer culture issue, or more precisely a late stage capitalism issue. Your comparison between gaming and big oil was spot on and is precisely what I'm talking about here, only it's a much larger issue. You did mention the heart of the issue, however you kind of brushed it aside rather than focus on it, this issue being investors, or more precisely how companies, across all industries, stopped caring about their customers and instead only care about their shareholders. I'm of course only talking about publicly traded companies here, but that includes the absolute majority of triple A studios and publishers(the only one I can think of that, off the tip of my head, isn't there is Valve). You can see it very egregiously in the entertainment industry, with giants like Disney and Amazon engaging in an extreme race to the absolute bottom, but that's just 1 example of many throughout the corporate world. The power dynamic simply shifted away from the consumer and into the shareholders' hands. It's being helped by the law, with 2 magical words: 'fiducial responsibility' that all C-level executives use to defend their scummy business practices and the business culture as a whole. Legally it makes perfect sense, if shareholders can sue a CEO for 'leaving money on the table' than said CEO will do everything within his/her power to not do so in order to avoid getting sued. Makes perfect sense right? The only problem is how to define and measure this concept of 'leaving money on the table' which has no clear answer which makes it such a catch-all excuse. Companies like Disney have been suffering negative growth for several years now yet investors have yet to successfully sue Disney's upper management on the basis of violating their fiduciary responsibility to them. Why? Because Disney seemingly did everything within their power to avoid 'leaving money on the table' in the eyes and with their own(and lets face it, industry wide as well) data and research supporting their claim. Now these data points and researches are obviously flat out wrong, because the people analyzing the data and conducting the research are utterly clueless about what's actually going on, so they let their own biases lead their conclusions rather than allow the research to neutralize their biases. It's the same with gaming companies. Employing all these anti consumer practices are being done in order to be deemed as fulfilling their fiduciary responsibilities to their shareholders, even if it costs them customer good will and eventually sales. Sometimes they make up for the drop in sales with their anti consumer practices, sometimes they don't. The point is that they appear to be doing so and are therefore safe from potential lawsuits against them. Moreover since their own shareholders are clueless as well, they don't realize just how bad those anti consumer practices hurt these companies, especially in the medium and long run, which ultimately costs these very shareholders money, they just don't know nor understand it. Since this is the driving force behind the vast majority of the evils within the gaming industry the solution is as simple as it is complicated. Simple because all it requires is changing the American legal culture of being so trigger happy with lawsuits and also removing, or at the very least heavily modifying this concept of 'fiduciary responsibility' as in its current form it's basically a license to kill for any C-level executive. Complicated because the US is so used to using their court system and the concept of civil lawsuits as a means of punishing wrong doers, whether it's suing for malpractice, wrongful whatever, damages for whatever, etc. There are of course other, better, ways of dealing with all of those issues, but those other ways aren't part of the American culture and this culture is so engrained at this point that it's extremely complicated if not outright impossible to change. As for the law change, we all know how complicated that aspect is as well, and that's on top of the inherent built in issues of properly defining this term to the satisfaction of the public, while it's the shareholders who hold all the power due to their deep pockets which lead to campaign contributions, lobbying efforts, etc.

Microtransactions when done right can make a game bit better but my biggest problem with them all is there price just on call of duty and fortnight 1 skin for a operative can set you back cheapest 7.99 and most expensive ones can cost 30 and tactics like putting something really good in a bundle that it full of filler crap people not want and will never use just to inflate the price to 12.99 what happened to the 1.99 to 5 cost skins i think if they were lower in price more people would buy it. But my pet hate is people will buy skins at stupid prices then use it a few times and never use it again fortnite is worst for that and cod is catching up plus the timed releases that both do now if you don't buy it now you might not get a chance in future so you have to buy it now so anti consumer.

If it wasnt for trying to test games and make some content I'd go back to buying games when they go on sale. Which for me with a long backlog was never an issue since when I'd buy games at release I'd never get around to playing them from months later to more than a year sometimes long which by than they'd be more than 50% off anyway. I think if you are a gaming enthusiast with a decent job these days you have to have some sort of a backlog, at least its what I think. I personally dont think any game is worth $70. Especially if its a single player game, you can play it a year from now and not only will it be cheaper but patched and free of bugs plus more content. They raise the prices because we are willing to pay.

loved cod but since mwII they just totally stopped caring about the game and started pumping more money into skins than anything else

god of war, jedi survivor, ff rebirth, all three are sequels which barely changed anything, look the same, play the same yet demand an extra £20

What i cant believe are people paying extra 30 usd to access a game. A game without reviews. Like shitfield and call of booty

These greedy publishers have practically overinflated the AAA games label to the point where it’s become completely worthless by constantly releasing unfinished games that are several years away from any potential release, egregiously overcharging & price gouging every single aspect of their “games” to Hell & back & not actually spending that money on proper game development & instead it mostly just ends up being pocketed by the greedy corrupt higher ups, cutting corners, laying everyone off after they were done over slaving them to exhaustion & complete game dev burnout & manipulating all of their audience with a very maliciously deceptive “bait & switch” marketing campaigns. Basically at this point they’re just handing out the AAA labels to every low effort zero budget unplayable shovelware titles all Willy Nilly to the point where they’re starting to throw out AAAA Gaming labels instead because they know *THANKS TO THEM* the AAA Game label has become completely Valueless. TL;DR: When absolutely nothing about a game’s production is ever sincere then it doesn’t deserve a AAA label or any A labels. 😒 Because it’s meant to indicate that said game publisher’s respect you the customer’s time & money & right now they don’t respect either either of them.

I will make my own before I ever pay another subscription, play "free to play or invest in another game that can be taken away, in any way. I'll be publishing free as well, only taking donations for income. These corporations can jump.

"First we need to look at the company that I think does microtransactions the best", then proceeds to mention patient 0 for the most vile and predatory practices in the industry. 🙃 Look, if you like Fortnite you like Fortnite, that's fine, but let's not pretend they did it WELL. The quality of the skins isn't the only thing that needs to be considered. Sure, if a game has to have microtransactions I at least expect them to be worth it, but I also expect them to respect me enough not to try and wring my wallet dry with the most scummy tactics out there.

70 dollars 😂😂😂😂😂 the ultimate edition of the new star wars is currently advertised at £120

You should see the ROBLOX platform and how much gamepasses are that get deleted and games die and or get shut down forever with no refund. so many copy games with minigun gamepasses that cost 5-200$ depending on what the game creators think people will buy

They dont have to make all the money they invested back in a small time frame, gta6 didnt use 2 billion in a month, they used it in the period of 10+ years, i think discounting the price from the get go will definitely help them earn their money back in a comfortable amount of time and also please the customer base I really think everyone should open their eyes and call the companies out on their exploitation

CoD essentially doubling dipping and charging full price, plus getting by with free to play style microtransactions every year is crazy.