One thing about Italian language is, unlike every other language I've studied, including Korean and Chinese, Italians enuciate clearly. They seem to take pride in sounding pedantic. It makes it much easier to understand when listening.
@runderwo6 ай бұрын
*enunciate Sorry, couldn't resist :D
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Agreed! That's what makes Italian easier as a language in a way. - Josh & Kalie
@thebiblepriest49506 ай бұрын
Italians want to be understood, and they are willing to sound pedantic if necessary to get their points across. But they are a language of vowels, with long ones and short ones, and this allows them to stretch out any sentence - or sing it, if necessary!
@indigoinarritu60964 ай бұрын
I agree that Italian is easier and I speak Brazilian Portuguese. When I visit Portugal I have the hardest time understanding the locals. I live in Italy and I have still not mastered the language but I generally understand most of what I hear regardless of the region. Now responding is another story.
@cinziam4573 ай бұрын
Italian's much easier to learn than Portuguese, which, sorry, is hard on the ears.
@TeresaCook-de6jo3 ай бұрын
My experience with the friendliness in Italy was overwhelming. Traveling alone and needing help at different times, the Italian people that stepped in to help me was amazing. More than the 9 other countries I traveled. Maybe friendly wasn’t the best word for what I experienced but I loved the people. I also loved the vivaciousness as they related to each other. Excited to experience Spain and Portugal soon!
@gjjgkgfx19292 ай бұрын
Spain is better Portugal
@gjjgkgfx19292 ай бұрын
Spain is better Portugal
@kerriegreen90576 ай бұрын
Just one thing to note: Italy's population is 59.11 million versus Portugal has 10.33 million, that's a big difference! especially when comparing the hospital system, crime rates, tourism, traffic etc
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
6x is a difference for sure but population will play a different role in each of those things. It would be a linear effect. For example, crime rate is a rate that is generally based on number of incidences in 1000 so that comparisons can be made more fairly instead of just looking at total number of incidences. In theory, Italy has more resources for the hospital systems because they have 6x population contributing to it, however, they also have 6x number of people that need to use it. Italy's economy is more than 6x larger than Portugal, which throws the ratios out of the window but we can say per capita, Italy has a stronger economy, which can impact the hospital system, right? - Josh
@Kenny-bj2zq3 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere One thing I like about Portugal is they have a dedicated medical line in English which is a big help if you don't speak the language
@tuka24a2 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhereI was enjoying the channel content until you said Italian food is better than Portuguese. I love my Italian friends but no way their food is better than Portuguese. There was an European pizza challenge .Guess who won,Portugal with bacalhau com natas pizza. I am Portuguese and live in London and never seen a Portuguese restaurant closing down. They are always busy . While many Italian and French restaurants closed down. North, South and centre portugal have different kinds of dishes so you must be curious and try different flavours. I am from South portugal, in Setubal we have amazing seaside dishes and we do eat salad 🥗 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Portuguese and east European countries eat soup which is also rich in vegetables. I think you guys just need to really explore the country😅
@ExpatsEverywhere2 ай бұрын
@@tuka24a Politely, okay. We're not sure that you've seen much of our videos since we've literally explored and made videos about the country from bottom to top. In the past 3 weeks, we were in Chaves and just got back from Geres. We travel Portugal a ton. Maybe, just maybe more than you. We've been to Madeira and not just Funchal. We've Traveled basically all of São Miguel and not just Ponta Delgada but also stayed Sete Cidades. We've been to Faro more times that we'd like. We've spent time in Albufeira, Lagos, Tavira, Olhão, Loule, Beja, Évora, Setúbal, Tróia, Lisbon, Cascais, Estoril, Sintra, Costa da Caparica, Nazaré, Caldas da Rainha, Leiria, Figueira da Foz, Coimbra, Aveiro, Espinho, VnG, Porto, Matosinhos, Vila do Conde, Póvoa de Varzim, Viana do Castelo, Braga, Lousasa, Penafiel, Lemgos, Amarante, Lordelo, Vila Real, Mirandela, Podence and I've left out other small towns we've stopped in. So......seeing more of Portugal isn't the problem. We like Italian food better. We're impartial. We're not Portuguese and we're not Italian. You're Portuguese. You're partial and that's fine but understand that you have partiality and food is a very subjective thing. Take care and enjoy London. - Josh & Kalie
@djamilawilschke7259Ай бұрын
@@tuka24ai loooove italien food and whilst i understand your pride in your country’s food, for me the all time winner is Italy - the most surprising and sad part is that as a coastal nation its traditional cod fish (everywhere found in masses) is not native and needs to be transported and imported from the north Atlantic, e.g. from Norway, like why? what the hack…traditional Italian cuisine makes the best out of all its local resources …
@michaelstreiffert20056 ай бұрын
For retirees you guys should definitely do a comparison with France. With the US-France tax treaty, you don't pay French taxes on your US pension/Social Security. Cost of living is a little higher than Portugal or Italy in general, but with the tax benefits for retired people, I think overall costs are about the same.
@Postcard_Perfect6 ай бұрын
That is a good point. Thanks for sharing 😊
@chriskasprzyk62356 ай бұрын
You are correct. One of the primary reasons why France is on my list. However Italy has a tax regime for retirees that is also very good with a flat tax of 7% on foreign sourced income. There a few more requirements though, chief among them being you have to live in certain regions. Not a problem for me as the included regions are where I would want to live anyway.
@Luanavit226 ай бұрын
Great video, guys. I love it. Please make one comparing Portugal and Spain in that format. ❤ Thank you.
@tammyhengst87736 ай бұрын
YES PLEASE~! I think we're down to those two countries for retiring abroad.~! It would be most helpful~!
@amyyates82733 ай бұрын
That’s what I want to see too!
@Kenny-bj2zq3 ай бұрын
Yeah, I am having a hard time deciding between Italy, Portugal, and Spain, and Croatia is always giving me a wink..lol
@skasteve65282 ай бұрын
@@tammyhengst8773 If you are planning to buy a property in either country, don't skimp when it comes to your real estate lawyer. It could save you a lot of money in the long term. Some European countries' property laws go back hundreds of years and it take an expert to negotiate them.
@FantasySoldier6 ай бұрын
Something I always noticed growing up Portuguese in CT, is that, if the couples weren't Portuguese and Portuguese, they were almost always Portuguese and Italian. I think it has to do a lot with the cultures being so similar. I think it was more pronounced with the immigrants coming over here in the 60s and 70s. All I know for sure is that I grew up around a lot of big families and amazing food!
@toxico80676 ай бұрын
Do you consider Brazilians and Cape Verdeans Portuguese people as well since they have Portuguese blood?
@wingnuttgeronimo78456 ай бұрын
As a U.S. citizen having lived in Torino for a little while, one major difference between Portugal and Italy, that I noticed is price of housing to buy. I am planning to move part-time to Portugal soon and want to buy a house. Properties for sale in Portuguese cities seem to cost almost double what they do in Italy. I found a lot of good sized houses and apartments in Turin for under 200 thousand euros versus the same sized ones going for 380 thousand on the outskirts of Porto and Lisbon. This is probably due to the amount of housing available in Italy compared to Portugal. I think this affects costs for some people living in Portugal rather than Italy.
@eltigre54696 ай бұрын
I believe it’s due to the thousands of people moving to Portugal without having enough housing, sort of like millions of illegals flooding the USA except legal. Then there’s the many KZfaq videos heavily promoting Portugal. Lastly the government programs offered to noncitizens to gain residency was quite nice also. Now overpriced and the government program no longer offered its not what people imagined.
@duartesilva79072 ай бұрын
@@eltigre5469Sure, and Italy has no immigration as well?
@djamilawilschke7259Ай бұрын
not this type of immigration, dah 🙄
@simonledoux85196 ай бұрын
I adore Portugal, no doubt about it. I've only been to Italy twice but will be going to Rome in March for 5 days and then will spend another 5 days in Lisbon before flying home the the US. I am glad that I am traveling this way. I expect Rome to be more expensive but I want to eat well so won't worry to much about my spending. Plus it will be nice to be in Lisbon where I have some favorite places to go where you dont have to spend all that much. Eating out here in the East Coast has really become expensive for even a sub. There is no such thing as cheap eats anymore in the States. Great video, guys. Love your videos!
@user-hx5kx1he8u6 ай бұрын
Consider Greece for food.
@GeraldFigal6 ай бұрын
There is another nuanced detail about taxes that should be mentioned with regard to married couples that could swing the win to Portugal depending on the couple’s joint income situation. In Portugal a married couple can file jointly, in which case the taxable income is then 50% of the combined total, thus likely dropping the couple down to a lower tax bracket (unless you’re really wealthy or really poor). In Italy, there is no joint filing of taxes at all-it’s all individual. So, if each of a couple has taxable income, each will be taxed straight within the progressive brackets. In Portugal, even if only one of the couple has taxable income you can file jointly and are taxed 50% of the household income.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
You're right that's a good point. - Josh & Kalie
@teodoro10076 ай бұрын
Numbeo compares cities. Since December 2nd, I'm in Uruguay and Argentina to solve issues. My flight started in Madrid, and prices are like Lisbon, far higher than Coimbra. Stay in Porto 😅. Bye 😊
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
@@teodoro1007 We're def. staying put in Porto. - Josh & Kalie
@amgolfer359113 күн бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere Bloody expensive to live there.......
@pablobulldog6 ай бұрын
You are both such amazing communications! Thanks for your insights!
@indigoinarritu60964 ай бұрын
When I was retiring and considering on where to move the decision boiled down to Italy or Portugal. While I did not consider every factor discussed in your video I did consider most of them, especially weather, and landed on Italy. One thing I considered was ease of weekend jaunts outside of the country to other countries because I love exploring new places. I live by Lake Garda in northern Italy and I am within 4 hours drive from Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Croatia, Slovenia and Lichtenstein. And close proximity to the Alps and Dolomites is a non starter (stunning beauty). However, I love visiting Portugal. I try to never say that one place is “better” or “worse” but more suited to my particular preferences. My preferences led me to choose Italy even though I speak Portuguese and the language adjustment would have been easier.
@wendylmorris38726 ай бұрын
That was a fun video to watch! A practical comparison. I will say that taxes are complicated in most countries, and people need to research this area before making decisions. 🤔
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Thank you, Wendy! Yes, taxes are so individual. - Josh & Kalie
@thebiblepriest49506 ай бұрын
Taxis in Rome charge a flat rate within the city center. No reason to taxi from or to the airport, when there is a fine train connection, which links with the subway system and Stazione Termini.
@Kchromosome6 ай бұрын
I've been thinking exactly about this subject in past few weeks, this video helped me a lot! Thanks!
@nicolettastrada59766 ай бұрын
Ohhh gosh
@kkjjqrysdgadff77826 ай бұрын
A note about the languages. Portuguese is one of the hardest languages to learn (in terms of speaking/listening) as a native English speaker. Italian is far easier.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
European Portuguese, maybe. Although they're both ranked in the same category for ease of learning for English speakers.
@Kenny-bj2zq3 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere Portuguese is not even close to being the hardest language to learn for Americans....
@ExpatsEverywhere3 ай бұрын
@@Kenny-bj2zq We know. It's among the easiest from a technical differences standpoint. www.babbel.com/en/magazine/easiest-languages-for-english-speakers-to-learn
@jaysimoes37052 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere And since we are talking about Portugal, that is the only one that counts. We do not talk Brazilian, we talk Portuguese.
@YogaBlissDance2 ай бұрын
Agreed I think there are official linguistic ratings and ITALIAN is easier (coming from English.)
@HoneymoonAlways6 ай бұрын
So hard to compare but well done! We love Italy but have never really envisioned ourselves there, especially with the easy Visa in Portugal. That being said the cuisine is hands down better in Italy. I know some Portuguese will be here in the comments disaggreeing but there is not comparison. Also, I love the Italian language, they announce all the letters! As far as friendliness, I think it is similar to Portugal in that the smaller the city, the nicer the people. We live in Lisbon so I think we lose the friendliness of the people here and we just went to some small towns in Italy and everyone was soo friendly.
@Maria-js9ou6 ай бұрын
Hello, Michelle! Didn't know you still live in Lisbon
@portuguesnavegante56865 ай бұрын
pode ir embora comer puzzas e pastas Lisboa é a cidade onde se come pior em Portugal Arrivederci...
@cap-19486 ай бұрын
Great vid! I Would love to see a video on the Comparison of portugal vs spain
@brianwhite11894 ай бұрын
They just posted that comparison today in case you're not a subscriber.
@homyce6 ай бұрын
There is a very sweet KZfaqr called Rafael Di Furia who is Italian American, and moved from the US to Italy and lived there for some time before moving to Portugal and settling in Braga. When I saw your video's title I thought you may have collaborated with him like you did with Dave. Judging by the few videos I watched on his channel, I think he would agree with most of your conclusions about the difference between the two countries.
@fosterbuster28406 ай бұрын
I love Portugal but about history, art etc. You can't make a comparison, Italy has an enormous history, no Western country can compare to Italy
@lotuszen86903 ай бұрын
You say that caus you know nothing about Portuguese history let me just give you a fact, Lisbon is older then Rome, and another fact Portugal changed the world research a bit and you will understand.
@joaoteixeira23863 ай бұрын
The classic arrogant Italian, so naive also :D Portugal is much better than Italy, Italy is just propaganda from US and these two in the channel seems to drink from it. Btw, Portuguese food is way better than Italian. And also, learn this one: Portuguese empire was bigger than the Roman. Live with it, don't drink from the US and hollywood propaganda.
@user-bx8so1zv2l3 ай бұрын
I fully agree . Thank you 🙏👏👏🇮🇹👍
@joaoteixeira23863 ай бұрын
Bla bla bla, such a naive comment. You know nothing about Portugal that is why you say that.
@skasteve65282 ай бұрын
I have never been to either country, although I have been to a few European countries. Italy is one of the best countries in the world when it comes to historic buildings, art etc. but it depends if you prefer being herded through Italy's cultural heritage alongside thousands of other tourists (and the pickpockets that those crowds attract), or stumbling across a fascinating place where there might be a dozen other tourists at most. I know which I'd prefer.
@jetfowl6 ай бұрын
Italy gets a lot hotter than Portugal in general (minus the far north in the Alps). This is mainly because Portugal gets the winds from the Atlantic ocean, which really help to cool things down. You have to go south of Figueira da Foz before the weather starts to get completely unbearable in the summer. And that's halfway down the Portugal.
@Jo.King_6 ай бұрын
You obviously have never been to Rome in the winter. Most of Italy freezes in the winter. Parts of central Portugal are more similar to the climate in Italy.
@jetfowl6 ай бұрын
@@Jo.King_ Central Portugal almost never sees temperatures below freezing.
@ricardoxavier8275 ай бұрын
Who lives in Porto has everything that matters, and can ignore the south. -_-
@hamptonroads20126 ай бұрын
Great video -- as requested below... I look forward to a comparison of Spain and Portugal. Spain's real estate I am constantly being told is generally lower
@RicKallaherPhotography6 ай бұрын
Great intel! I have a friend who has just bought homes in Italy, & I'm getting ready to move to my apt in Lisboa. Seems like they're about even to me.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Thank you. Best of luck. Keep us posted on your move and transition to Lisbon. - Josh & Kalie
@MariaHelenaFarrisАй бұрын
OMG! I need NOT to read others comments, with their own comments, because read several judgmental, unkind and arrogant comments! Though I WILL continue to watch your blogs! THANK YOU for all you do!! I greatly appreciate it!!
@josephlane90746 ай бұрын
I am wondering what part of Italy you are using for this comparison. It is significantly higher priced in the North, and this is all categories (Housing, Food, Utilities, Entertainment, etc.) From the prices you used here it seems as though you are only using Northern costs. The difference between the North and South of Italy are as large as Italy vs Portugal as a whole. Southern Italy IMO is the most affordable area in all of Europe.
@tonnyrodrigueznunez6 ай бұрын
what about taxes?
@craftbrewer40324 ай бұрын
you are spot on, Tuscany is triple what it cost in Puglia for everything. Outside of Lisbon/Porto and the Algarve, Portugal is dirt cheep and Portugal is tiny compared to Italy
@Kenny-bj2zq3 ай бұрын
Yeah, but South Italy doesn't have the healthcare or infrastructure that the North has and that is why the prices are very different
@user-bx8so1zv2l3 ай бұрын
I fully agree
@YogaBlissDance2 ай бұрын
Ii said the same thing!
@Mr.DJones6 ай бұрын
Thank you for your time and posting. Thanks for the Numbeo website. :) I'm actually looking into Malaysia. Just the pollution level is pretty high. I lived in North Queensland AU (Port Douglas/Cairns) for a couple of years and the wet/dry season was actually great for me.
@Nomad_7836 ай бұрын
you compared torino. Expensive city in italy (besides Milano). Not a fair comparison imo, even if you say that Porto is also the most expensive in Portugal. Thats a small country and you wont have huge difference between porto or other "cities". While in italy there is a huge difference in different parts (being a big country) and i am not saying to compare a small village out of nowhere... Taxis - i live in italy for 3 years never sat in a taxi. I live here and i am not a tourist, so i wouldnt add that to the cost of living too much. As a retired i rather have a car of my own than paying services like a cab. fyi.: Not being able to pay by card in a taxi is illegal. I know you dont wanna be beaten by a driver but normally you can call the police if they insist on cash. By law it is mandatory to accept cards in taxis, tho it is a known problem that they "force" tourists to pay cash ("card machine isnt working" terrible practice... Drinks are def. more expensive in Italy in restaurants. YOu guys go out a lot that might make a difference of course. yeah beer/wine is about 4eur (in Rome) or up if you go a fancier place. But again how much you wanna eat out? We eat out few times a month maybe, if that's a daily thing for you then yeah italy is expensive. Coffee is cheap in italy which is more important to me. Safety: AGain italy is a huge country. There are places where it is totally unsafe to go and even violent crime is a problem and places where you would never have any problems, ever. Two of my friends just got mugged and beaten in Porto in two different occasions recently. People said it is not unusual to happen there, while this can happen in italy like bad neighbourhoods in Naples or Rome (Termini), there are tons of cities that are very safe in general, i.e.Verona, even Torino is a fairly safe. Pickpocketing is a problem in Italy everywhere. Food: pasta and pizza. Again if you eat restaurants only. There are so much more to italian food than pasta and pizza. the different cheeses, parmigiano, peccorino, taleggio, tons of different prosciutto, mozzarella, bread and most importantly the fresh ingredients of vegetables, fruits...italy is clear winner of fresh ingredients and not the restaurant dishes which is a matter of taste rather than "quality", again imo. Friendliness: portugese vs italian. Italians are extremely different in Piemond, Liguria or veneto, Toscana, Emilia-R., or Lazio but didnt even bring up the southern states. Comparing italy as country is a huge mistake. typical tourist thing to do after 2 weeks. Even italians argue among themselves where people are nice or terrible within italy. As if you generlize americans, when you know that a texan is very different from an east coast new yorker or a californian or a seattle person...Italy is a huge country with tons of local dialects and languages. Incomparable to a small country like Portugal. just came back from lisbon and i dont find restaurants cheaper..while quality of food is incomparably better in italy. The only country can compete with italian quality of food is france. that's just my opinion. Otherwise great video and content. Liked...
@joaoteixeira23863 ай бұрын
More Italian propaganda from Hollywood? Portugal.is much better. Portuguese food and ingredients are much better, better fruit by far, better vegetables, the best fish in the world, best bananas in the world, best oranges in the worlds etc... stop the Italian propaganda. You don't know Portugal at all.
@joaoteixeira23863 ай бұрын
And by the way, Portugal is much better and much more beautiful than Italy.
@Nomad_7833 ай бұрын
@@joaoteixeira2386 In what sense? If you say so. Portugal is smaller than the smallest region in Italy. Absolutely impossible to compare and it comes down to personal taste. Don’t get offended on someone’s opinion easily. It makes you look immature.
@joaoteixeira23863 ай бұрын
@@Nomad_783 that is exactly why is much better, it has much more diversity per square meter, it is much more cosy, clean and beautiful, etc etc
@joaoteixeira23863 ай бұрын
@@Nomad_783 not offended at all, it is just a very naive opinion, especially comparing our food which is much better than Italian, and also our products, fruit, fish, vegetables and even meat, although meet you can get good one in many countries
@ColleenCummins17 күн бұрын
With regard to air quality, last winter I traveled 6 weeks north to south and back again and west to east, big cities and small villages. While I loved the area north east of Braga, close to the Peneda-Gerês, and other rural areas, smoke from individual homes' heating made it difficult to breathe and was very visible. It made for charming and beautiful pictures of smoke wafting through the green hillsides, but it also made for challenges in air quality. Probably a seasonal consideration and a factor when considering smaller cities/villages throughout Portugal as central heating is not the norm. It is definitely a factor for me to consider when thinking about where to locate.
@Mr.S656 ай бұрын
Josh speaks Spanish which makes Portuguese and Italian languages more accessible. Brazilian Portuguese is easier to understand than Portuguese Portuguese though and there are a lot of Brazilians in Portugal…
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Kalie's the one that's half-Cuban. ;-) - Josh
@Mr.S656 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhereI know but she never picked up Spanish according to you. However, you did learn Spanish while living in Spain.
@3892939126 ай бұрын
I've watched several Portuguese language series on Netflix and concluded Portuguese seemed like a blend of Italian and Spanish. Some of the words that were different from Spanish were Italian cognates.
@Mr.S656 ай бұрын
@@389293912very true. The listening part is the death of me, though.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
@@Mr.S65 You're good! That's right. ;-) - Josh
@desertdweller85202 ай бұрын
Italy is superior in terms of food, art, architecture, and multiple cities.
@ricardoguersia75042 ай бұрын
You're such a great couple! It's a delight to watch your videos!
@ExpatsEverywhere2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! - Josh & Kalie
@relocatetoItaly4 ай бұрын
nobody uses taxis in Italy we have public transport. Americans need to learn how to walk.
@ExpatsEverywhere4 ай бұрын
Maybe "nobody" uses taxis because of the cost. As for me and Kalie, we do walk. Shall we share our step count? ;-) - Josh
@relocatetoItaly4 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere sure why not? Taxis are very expensive in Italy. Only tourists who can't navigate themselves to the metro use them.
@ExpatsEverywhere4 ай бұрын
@@relocatetoItaly Maybe, but for example for us, we have a kid and needed to be at the train station at an hour and location the bus wasn't running so we took a taxi. We, personally, don't make it a habit to use taxis in Italy because of the cost and prefer to walk or take public transportation, whereas in Portugal it might be marginally more expensive if 2-3 adults are riding to take an Uber and get from door to door vs taking public transportation and having to walk. Speed and efficiency. - Josh
@relocatetoItaly4 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere sure
@JasonJFlippingLife6 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed this deep dive. Thank you
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Thanks, Jason. Thank you for watching. - Josh & Kalie
@Mr.S656 ай бұрын
I think it’s easier to live in Portugal and Italy is close enough to visit. The whole of Europe is close for Americans since we live in a Continent sized country. I do have a question concerning the Portuguese language requirement for nationality - PLA course or CIPLE Exam? 150 hours of lessons vs 90 minutes of testing?
@publicminx5 ай бұрын
apart from weird sentences like 'since we live in a continent sized country', are you aware that Europe is (slightly) bigger than the US?
@3892939126 ай бұрын
I lived in Italy for two years. As I recall English is not well known. One thing about italian language, Italians universally enunciate clearly. I dont know why this is the case but it makes listening to, and understanding Italian much easier than almost every other language.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Yup! Agreed. - Josh & Kalie
@indigoinarritu60964 ай бұрын
I totally agree!
@YogaBlissDance2 ай бұрын
Italian language you pronounce every vowel so it's clearer.
@5thEmpire8 күн бұрын
Being a portuense myself, I can generally relate to your expat perceptions of living here. I have lived abroad and used to ponder whether I should move out again or not. Eventually I came to the conclusion that there is no place I could live in where I wouldn't regret that decision.
@ExpatsEverywhere7 күн бұрын
Fair enough. :-) Porto has that magic. - Josh & Kalie
@DamienItalyRelocationExpert5 ай бұрын
Whether you move to Italy depends on what you are looking for. For example, are you looking to live in a first-, second-, or third-tier city? Do you need to work in Italy? Would you like to be by the sea or in the mountains? What is your budget for renting or buying? Do you want to be close to an international airport? What is your level of Italian? Do you have health problems that require you to be near medical facilities? Do you need to place children in a school and are you looking for an international school or an Italian state-run one? Only by getting granular on what you are looking for in Italy can you find if it is best suited for your needs and objectives, both personally and possibly professionally.
@YogaBlissDance2 ай бұрын
OMG u are the guy who helps folks move to Italy! Saw you on an Expat channel, your channel name here should indicate the wonderful work you do (in my opinion as a KZfaqr.)
@DamienItalyRelocationExpert2 ай бұрын
@@YogaBlissDance Thanks for the tip!
@amgolfer359112 күн бұрын
Damien, do you have a website? Love to chat and tap into your knowledge of Italy...Thanks, Shane
@lucchese206 ай бұрын
QUESTION @ 8:10 Who eats all of that food? ANSWER: It depends. In general, most people in Italy do not eat an antipasto, primo piatto, secondo piatto, dolce, and digestivo (after dinner drink) for each meal at home. At home, folks typically eat a primo piatto (e.g. pasta, rice, polenta or soup), a second dish (meat or fish) and maybe a dessert or after meal drink. Unless there’s a very special occasion the family is celebrating (e.g., Christmas, Easter, graduation, birthday, guest visiting) then, yes, antipasto, primo and secondo piatto, sweet and drinks are more typical. At a restaurant, there’s an expectation that you will order an antipasto, primo piatto, secondo piatto and dessert. If you do skip one of these, you may get some strange looks by the waiter. 😂 Probably ‘eating out’ at a restaurant is less common than in the US so there’s an assumption by the restaurant that you’re celebrating something and, of course, you’d be ordering a full course meal. Then at a pizzeria (not a restaurant) it’s fine to order a pizza or calzone and walk away after that. 👍🏻 Hope this helps. 😊
@elyseb6746 ай бұрын
I'm moving to Naples for my job this summer. The cost of living allowance, we receive, is higher in Italy than in Bahrain. I'm still loyal to FCP Dragões but will cheer on Napoli as my adopted team.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
You're moving?! We had a friend a few years back that got stationed in Naples with work. Thanks for sharing. Hope you find your feet quickly and enjoy Napoli. - Josh & Kalie
@elyseb6746 ай бұрын
@ExpatsEverywhere Si! My last assignment with Uncle Sam's Yacht Club. Then I can retire to greater Porto! 😃
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
@@elyseb674 We need a tee-shirt that says "Uncle Sam's Yacht Club". Be safe and enjoy it. - Josh & Kalie
@johnatyoutube6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the very enlightening video! I discovered your channel from Rafael's video.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Awesome, thank you! We appreciate the visit. - Josh & Kalie
@quickcinemarecap4 ай бұрын
00:02 Italy is more expensive than Portugal in terms of cost of living 02:09 Portugal wins in cost of living and safety compared to Italy 06:26 Italy has a wide variety of food options. 08:37 Italy offers a wider variety of big cities with amenities compared to Portugal. 13:02 Comparison between the historical roots and societal dynamics of Portugal and Italy 15:21 Portugal healthcare vs Italy healthcare and Infrastructure 19:42 Air quality and quality of life differ based on specific situations and long-term factors 21:33 Both countries fall into the Mediterranean climate classification with varying degrees of weather and water advantages. 25:37 Comparison on living in Italy and Portugal
@terrisokolow77966 ай бұрын
Lots of great info!❤
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Thank you! - Josh & Kalie
@giulioytpr6 ай бұрын
As an Italian who lived in Portugal for a year (and I'm seriously considering the idea of moving back there because I really like it) I feel like there are waaaay too many factors to take into considerations in order to declare which one is "better for living". Plus this video is not even about that. I'm sorry but you guys having a couple of trips to Italy, and throwing a couple of datas in there, does not make you knowledgeable enough to make such a video. I wouldn't be able to do that either and I could have much more to say. It feels more like a guide on which country to visit from an American perspective (except for a couple of points, such as the taxes one), which is still debatable but that's your opinion as a tourist so that's fair enough. Just to be clear, I'm saying all of this not to "defend" Italy. I'm not a patriotic person at all, again I love Portugal and there are good chances I'll move there again soon. I just feel like it's a superficial video and it's made by 2 people who haven't even lived in both countries (visiting and living are obviously two completely different things). It's also slightly misleading, especially in a couple of points. No offense intended, I watched a few other videos of this channel and you guys are really nice and make good contents, this comment wants to be a constructive criticism.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Fair enough but we also prefaced it at the beginning with the fact that we have only traveled to Italy. We didn’t say we lived there. Let’s be honest, these videos are for fun. To think about. To start a conversation. To scratch the surface. No 5, 10, 15, 25 minute video should replace one’s own research. Thanks for watching, commenting and critiquing. We’ll be making other videos like this though. - Josh & Kalie
@francisphenry6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the mention (or at least, quick flash) of Salpoente in Aveiro!
@k.schmidt22666 ай бұрын
Great Video!!!! Could you make more comparisions on that? Portugal vs. other countries ? 😊
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Thank you! We will for sure. We enjoyed doing this one. We have Spain and France in our sights. Having lived in Spain and traveled back there a lot over the past few years, it should be a fun one. We wanted to see how this one went first and the feedback has been pretty positive. - Josh & Kalie
@k.schmidt22666 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere you deserve the good Feedback. The idea is just great 🧡
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
@@k.schmidt2266 Thank youuuuu! ❤ - Josh & Kalie
@roundtwo33216 ай бұрын
6:14 In the time it took to say that we could look into it ourselves, you could have said what ossobuco is. 8:11 You do eat all that food in the restaurants or at home for event meals.
@trave76446 ай бұрын
Man, it is too bad taxes are so high in both countries. I dont mind paying taxes, but to pay over 48%? a Gut a punch.
@nmefdappl4 ай бұрын
But you get good, free or low cost health care, great infrastructure, excellent education, THE SERVICES, THE AMENITIES. wake up & realize what you're paying for: it's not nothing
@trave76444 ай бұрын
@@nmefdappl I would disagree about "great infrastructure"!
@jaysimoes37052 ай бұрын
They are way too low in both countries. The taxes need to be a lot higher to keep poor and needy people as well as refugees from being even more poor. People who can lve all over the world and complain some of their money goes to infrastructure, trains, healtcare etc are really...really either egoistic or out of contact with reality. When the USA had the AMerican dream the richest had to pay 95% to ensure everyone a fair chance in life. That has completely gone.
@trave76442 ай бұрын
@@jaysimoes3705 I would got a place with better infrastructure than Portugal then.
@trave76442 ай бұрын
@@jaysimoes3705 Let's pay 100% LOL.
@user-hx5kx1he8u6 ай бұрын
Southern Italy is usually 10 degrees fahrenheit warmer than the north and in Summer around 39 celsius in the summer months.
@frangeeskАй бұрын
usually around 39°? non esageriamo, suvvia.
@user-hx5kx1he8uАй бұрын
@@frangeesk la gente del paise dicano questo nella Puglia
@frangeeskАй бұрын
@@user-hx5kx1he8u ecco, io sono pugliese, e ti garantisco che è falso. mediamente ti fa 20 - 30, i 40° solo durante le ondate.
@xmaniac996 ай бұрын
Living costs in Italy have escalated since 2019. Taxis where always a ripoff in our country.
@publicminx5 ай бұрын
What is that for a weird mix of talking about culture and then family, mixing that and a question about friendliness together? This shows just a lack of knowledge about history/culture AND the inability to separate categories. Italy has historically and culturally by far more to offer than Portugal (not just due to its bigger size). This is a no brainer. Of course not for ppl which knowledge ends with vague associations like 'ok, this is pretty old stuff and that is pretty old stuff' (and I do not talk here in particular about Americans. Every European who even doesnt know what for instance the Holy Roman Empire' and 'Hanseatic League' is, is basically historically uneducated). That Portuguese are on average more friendly than Italians is true but should not be mixed in the same category (also not those family aspects). Another really irrational talk was about the Climate/Weather. 'He basically: Italy is more cold, Portugal more warm' (which is nonsense. You have more variety in Italy from colder to warm to hot). 'She: ok, water is warmer in Italy' (without recognizing that this is quite the opposite of what he said). Both then agree (in a typical stupid group dynamic of kind of wanting a result) on that 'Portugal wins here' (while this is obviously a stupid conclusion) ...
@ExpatsEverywhere5 ай бұрын
Do you acknowledge that the word culture has two meanings? One of those meanings is "the ideas, customs, and social behavior of a particular people or society."
@publicminx5 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere yep, but this doesnt mean that it makes sense to mix that in every context - and priorize even some contemporary impressons about friendliness. thats like saying: ok, Europe has a lot of complex word history/culture, shaped strongly the entire planet but ppl in the Dominikan Republic are a bit nicer, so culturally they win. Do you really think thats a competent conclusion and right way to sort 'culture'?
@user-bx8so1zv2l3 ай бұрын
I am Italian and live in the metropolitan city of Milan 🇮🇹and it’s not true what you are saying . The city of Milan is very safe and Italy is a very safe country to live much safer than living in California or in other States of the USA .
@djamilawilschke7259Ай бұрын
this was a comparison with Portugal and safety in portugal is - not just statistically much higher, but you can feel it on the streets…this is from the perspective of a foreigner in both places
@Miggy1977928 күн бұрын
Objectively, Portugal is one of the safest countries in the world, and I'm saying this as an Italian. It's rated 7th safest!
@ScottTakesOnTheWorld6 ай бұрын
I found Uber to be super unreliable in Italy, especially around Rome. I think you have a lot more gig economy workers who are unfamilar with the big city. I had 5-6 drivers who were unable to locate me in the city of Rome. I never had any problems with Uber in Portugal or Brazil for that matter. I’ve also found Italians to be less hospitable than other countries. It’s very clear there is a tourist problem there by all the rules they have for hotel stays, limits on AC usage, and general distaste for immigrants that they will openly admit to. I struck up a conversation with a fine gentleman working on the top platform of the Leaning Tower of Pisa about soccer. He said he doesn’t watch the local teams much anymore because too many people from somewhere else. I found this distaste for immigrants in a lot of the cities throughout northern Italy. It’s very sad how some of the African immigrants are treated there. Sure, they should hassle the tourists less but they shouldn’t be arrested and pushed around for just walking up to people. You can feel the tension in Italy from the over abundance of people year round and I really didn’t care for that. It’s beyond beautiful to travel by train up and down that country though. It just wouldn’t like to live in that culture.
@75jmd6 ай бұрын
great work, thanx
@cheflockdowntuscany6 ай бұрын
I disagree with you guys I’ve been living in Tuscany for four years and it’s very reasonable and housing is at an all time low.look at the guy that just got mugged two days ago
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
That's fine, Chef. Make a response video. We'll check it out. I was with Dave the night that happened, I came home and he stayed out. Do you believe that saying "look at the guy that just got mugged two days ago" is an indication of overall probability of violence in each country? That's odd to me. - Josh
@mariacorreia83626 ай бұрын
I am going to be in Porto in March , hope I get to meet you guys 😀🥰
@MariaHelenaFarris28 күн бұрын
Hubby is Italian/Sicilian but several generations previously. I was born in Lisbon …..and closer connection to family in Portugal. My husband does not know of any family in Italy/Sicily ….. so Portugal it will be! 😃 Also not as expensive in Portugal! So Portugal wins for us!! YAY!!! THANK YOU for all the info!!!
@nicolettastrada597610 күн бұрын
Ne siamo felici sennò sai che lamentele infinite
@mradventurer81044 ай бұрын
Good points. I think for a vegetarian Italy is better as they have more veggie options as far as I know.
@ExpatsEverywhere4 ай бұрын
We think so too. - Josh & Kalie
@tanner2936 ай бұрын
15 years ago being mugged in Portugal was really a threat... don't know about now
@TheSimArchitect6 ай бұрын
Brazilian Portuguese would be easier than European for sure. 😁 Italian is likely easier for American English speakers as well as American English is much easier than British for Brazilians. They're more clear languages with the vowels more clear and intense than the consonants. I'd dare to say more fluid, even. If you watch Brazilian TV with the textbook Portuguese you have you might be surprised. 🙂 Nice comparison between the two countries, thanks!
@diogorodrigues7476 ай бұрын
Still it's not that easy though. You don't have the stress-timed rythm of European Portuguese but you do have many vowels and consonants that don't exist in English - Brazilian Portuguese has 13 vowel sounds and more than 25 consonants (while European Portuguese has 14 vowel sounds and 22 consonant sounds). Italian is still way easier, as it has only 8 vowel sounds and has less consonant sounds than Portuguese.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Thank you! We're really interested in doing a video on how well we can understand Brazilian vs European Portuguese because obviously our main influence in the Portuguese language over the past 3 years has been the European dialect. - Josh & Kalie
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
So true! But there's the other side to it, which is Portuguese people are so helpful as we try to learn the language. - Josh & Kalie
@BeYourselfMan6 ай бұрын
If you're going to learn Portuguese, it would be better to learn it from the root, Portugal. It's like comparing English from England to American English.
@TheSimArchitect6 ай бұрын
Not really. It depends where you want to live. Plus there's way more Brazilians than Portuguese. Same with English, I'd rather know American than British. It's just more widely used around the world. @@BeYourselfMan
@user-jm7xv4ss1b6 ай бұрын
Found your commentary very biased !! You live in Portugal how can you compare!! No comparison . The difference in pop. and tourists. 😮 And language you have to be kidding even comparing!!! Go to the towns
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Give your comparison. It's okay.
@jaysimoes37052 ай бұрын
As a Portuguese I found Italian especially written actually very easy and rather similar. Not as similar as Spanish but still very close. Have you lived in both places btw. My sister did. And Portugal and Italy share much more similarities than differences.
@3892939126 ай бұрын
Did you go to Southern Italy? Apparently its much cheaper.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Yes, we have been. Basically we're just missing the islands and we've been to all the regions. :-) - Josh & Kalie
@JenShea6 ай бұрын
I love the idea of being in Italy and the 'idea' of living there sometimes... but for me I think 'live in Portugal' and visit Italy. Funny though... I've traveled a lot, over the past 60 years... spent a LOT of time in NYC... and the only time I've ever been pick-pocketed was in Portugal. Can't lie, love Italian cuisine. Pastries, you can't beat the French... sorry... but I do have my favourites in Portugal too. You know I love Portugal, but as language goes... I find Italian easier to understand and speak... and I think it's prettier. I think I'll be learning Portuguese for the rest of my life, LOL So many good points made in this video, for either side...
@antonaaa37383 ай бұрын
hey guys, did you move to Braga? I see quite a lot of content from there when you talk about Portugal in this video
@OurContinuingAdventure6 ай бұрын
Great video! I think we will stick with Portugal. However, we did go to Italy for lunch once and it was amazing!
@nicolettastrada59766 ай бұрын
For lunch and immediately back?
@OurContinuingAdventure6 ай бұрын
Yes, just for lunch. We were spending a month in Nice and decided to hop on the train and go to Italy, right next door, for lunch. It was a marvelous day.
@nicolettastrada59766 ай бұрын
So you didn’t see anything
@Mongoose-ct6us6 ай бұрын
@@nicolettastrada5976 I like Cefalu Sicily because of the beach. Pasta con le sarde is good but not every day. Same with Pasta a la norma
@ricardoguersia75042 ай бұрын
Like English, Portuguese is very rich in vowel sounds. Italians have just the basic ones, with two or three variations. Portuguese has lots of diphthong, nasal sounds and this kind of thing.
@RockyTopRetreat6 ай бұрын
Outstanding video. Great job! Just a couple of points starting at the end and working back. It's important to add that the high taxes provide health care for all. In the US my wife and I pay almost $1000 a month for our insurance. So add $12,000 to what we pay in taxes. On roads, at some point the powers that be decided it would be a good idea to sell advertising on their road sign posts. You will find a post with Luigi's Pizza sign at the top of seven other signs and near the bottom....Verona. You can easily miss your turnoff. No such problem in Portugal. And finally, the Portuguese are well aware that their language is spoken in only one other major country, Brazil, and so they have emphasized the teaching of the international language english for many decades. Italians are generally not crazy about speaking anything but Italian. In spite of being just next door to France and Austria, few Italians speak either french or german. Most hospitality people you will deal with when traveling will speak some english but outside of the cities, very little english is spoken. Again, great video. Oh, one more important thing. Italy is VERY vertical with difficult walking in most places. This will matter to retirees.
@trave76446 ай бұрын
I am looking into it. I go there all the time, and like the place. I am going back there again this summer. But not easy to get things done if you live there; too much bureaucracy . As a tourist it is great place to visit though.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Which one are you looking into? We know you've had your eye on Portugal but are you referring to Italy here? - Josh & Kalie
@trave76446 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere Yes, Italy. I have been to some parts of it, like Verona, but again, not easy move there.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
@@trave7644 Yea, it's not as easy a process as Portugal in terms of visas. - Josh & Kalie
@olegkon16 ай бұрын
It would be nice if you can put your points and votes in a table, lots of info.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the feedback. This was the first type of video that we've done like this. Do you mean that we should show on the screen the votes and how they tally up or do you want a table like a spreadsheet to download? - Josh & Kalie
@olegkon16 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere At least to see your table, marks and maybe comments.
@ricardoguersia75042 ай бұрын
From what I understand, Italians eat all these different courses in a meal, but the portions are small...
@YogaBlissDance2 ай бұрын
PRETTY SURE there is an Italian/American tax treaty where if you earn up to 120k you don't double pay or even pay US tax...look into it folks there is a treaty and that is the cutoff...Also I like you guys but a couple of the ratings DEPEND...southern Italy costs much lower than northern, much more sunny, folks FRIENDLIER slower quality of life etc. Also some tax schemes to have you pay lower for like 7 years in Italy- do your research. I also found most Italians warm, they are a bit assertive, so if you are from a US city you will be fine! They'll seem friendly.
@user-bx8so1zv2l3 ай бұрын
The Italians are very friendly , enthusiastic and happy people in the World . The Portuguese people are friendly and more reserved . But they are both Latin people with a history of the Roman Empire of 2000 years . Mixed races throughout 2000 years .
@live--now6 ай бұрын
Pretty sure all those indexes are wrong...
@brie19872 ай бұрын
Friendliest place in Europe, esp if you try to speak Italian! They are trying to preserve their language and culture as the youth seem to be drifting away from their history. Prego!
@Lion-fj3wp6 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I thought Portugal has better healthcare system compared to Italy because of experience there. I will retire in Portugal 👍🏾🌏
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
You're welcome. Both are good. Let's be honest. - Josh & Kalie
@BeYourselfMan6 ай бұрын
Portugal's healthcare is fantastic. Even private care is cheaper than Italy with better care in my opinion.
@francosadventures2 ай бұрын
My question would be, why pick one when you can do both? Taxes will kill you if still working and move to either. Why not keep your place in the U.S. then just travel and rent, max visa time, to either or both? this is my thought.
@ExpatsEverywhere2 ай бұрын
It's certainly a possibility. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. We have indeed known several people that have done this although they're retired. Some digital nomads do choose to do the Schengen Shuffle between Europe, Asia and North America (or South America). - Josh & Kalie
@monicahoward74436 ай бұрын
I've stopped watching after 4 minutes: it's well known there are big issues with taxi, however in terms of cost of living comparing Rome and Lisbon , Rome is way more affordable! Regarding beers, where exactly is the competition here in Lisbon? Choices in lisbon are between 2 local beers and a weird brand ... When you deal with 100 competitors, then you will see how the price will rise !
@olegkon16 ай бұрын
Another nuance regarding retirement in both countries: there is a 10yrs/7% tax in Italy for those living in small towns in the south. And as you know, in Portugal cancelling NHR mode. BTW, what is a status of that? I mean, how difficult it would be for your government to create an economic program to encourage building new houses to fix housing crisis, you have a semi-socialist country. That would propel Portugal in Europe.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Yes, that's a very nuanced program that you're referring to because of the geographic limitations, you have to decide is it worth moving there for the tax break and potential have issues with a lower level of medical infrastructure. We've been hearing rumors of NHR 2.0 but nothings going to happen until after March's election is our guess. - Josh & Kalie
@Maria-js9ou6 ай бұрын
Are you one of those people who use the word socialist left and right, as an insult, without knowing what it means?
@olegkon16 ай бұрын
@@Maria-js9ou I lived 1/2 of my life in former USSR (state has a Lot of power). I am just saying Portugal is way to the left from countries like US. No offense, no insults.
@jodidelucca41906 ай бұрын
Hmmm….Italy where??? I live in Sicily and the costs/expenses you mention are definitely not what I pay day to day.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Nationwide numbers www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Italy Sicily is one of the cheapest from memory when I looked at the data. - Josh
@HeartCoffeeTime6 ай бұрын
Smoking. I found smoking in Portugal a lot worse than in Italy. Which equates to air quality and quality of life.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Interesting. According to Eurostat Italy ranks just below Portugal in terms of smoking prevalence (Daily percentage of smokers among persons aged 15 and over). 16.8 to 17.6 - Josh
@HeartCoffeeTime6 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere it's more than statistics. In Italy people are more respectful of non-smoking designated areas. In Portugal these lines either do not exist or they are just blurry at best. Other than this one thing, we found Portugal a perfect country for flexpats like us. Smoking issue is not a deal breaker.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
@@HeartCoffeeTime If we want to be anecdotal then, we'd say that Portuguese do a better job regarding not smoking around children than any country we've been to in Southern Europe. Any time someone sees us with Cia (our 4 year old daughter), they'll tuck their cigarette away, move it to the other side, or wave their arms around to dissipate the smoke (silly and doesn't really work but valiant effort). I guess I say that to say, we (you all and Kalie & I) have different experiences in each country so this is why statistics are important to look at. We agree though, smoking isn't a deal breaker although it's something we don't like anywhere. Our time in Spain before their new smoking laws came in, in 2010, was rough. - Josh & Kalie
@paulodeoliveira33682 ай бұрын
13:02 Portugal is the oldest country and has the second oldest city after Athens. Trust me Portugal has a more varied and beautiful history to Italy (although I do personally love Italia).
@MeMC-fk2km6 ай бұрын
Nice video, but while I agree with some parts, some other parts are either uncomparable or simply wrong. I think that comparing culture/historical sites of Italy with Portugal is simply crazy. Italy has 53 World Heritage sites, while Portugal has 16, so it is not more or less the same. I understand that you are basing your opinion on your perception, but that sounded a bit ridiculous to hear. Moreover, the bias of living in Portugal is very much present i n your considerations. You should live for a long time in both places to have a more balanced opinion. Italy is way bigger than Portugal, and it also has a lot more diversity across regions, so you still need to explore a lot in Italy, and you will see the freandliness, or say healthcare, changes significantly from region to region, same as culture, costumes, foods...italy got united in late 18th century, and before then it was a bunch of indipendent states, and that is why there is some much cultural differences among regions...doing such comparisons can only create divisions though. I would definetly not compare countries in such a way, as the law of numbers would lead Italy to win in so many aspects just because there is/was a lot more going on.
@solidarnosc96634 ай бұрын
I visited Italy several times. It is not a safe place to be. And it is outright dangerous if you are an attractive woman. A few friends of mine share the same sentiments. Italy is a place to visit but I wouldn’t move there. Heritage sites promote the tourism but if you live there that sort of thing gets old fast.
@jaysimoes37052 ай бұрын
Italy and Portugal are not demonstrably better or worse, it simply depends on once preference. I know of literally NO ONE in The Netherlands who is going to live in Italy. I know A LOT of Dutch who are going to live in Portugal or Spain. For most Dutch Italy is great for holidays but many Dutch (could surely be prejudice) think ITalians are very unreliable and rather corrupt. Again, could surely be prejudice but Italians are seen as charming, shallow, La Bella Figura etc. It is a bit like their reputation with cars: look good, good motors but unreliable and not well made. Also in the answers here I think we see that Italians tend to feel they are living in a superior country and look down on smaller ones. They seem to be rather chauvinistic. Not knowledgable at all when it comes to other countries and butthurt when foreigners dare to say that other, smaller country suits them better.
@nicolettastrada5976Ай бұрын
@@solidarnosc9663 Ma dai!
@live--now6 ай бұрын
Italian tax is crazy high... fk they need to change that income tax should be 10 , 20% max , not 45% like wtf is that....
@jaysimoes37052 ай бұрын
It should be 70% for the richest people or more, 50% for the middle class and 20% for the poor. Otherwise they become a third world country like the USA is.
@kimvenezia69036 ай бұрын
Great video overall. I think one area to discuss that was not covered, is bureaucracy. General as well as building and remodelling . From what I see and hear, Italy is 100 times worse then Portugal.
@darlenesousa8421Ай бұрын
Rome actually has not been on the map forever.... Lisboa is older
@ExpatsEverywhereАй бұрын
Seems like you missed the point and just want to be technical. - Josh
@nicolettastrada5976Ай бұрын
Whaaat
@italico3222Ай бұрын
Onde você estudou?
@italico3222Ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ConanNYC6 ай бұрын
How does Torino compare to Porto in terms of size? Those are 2 cities I’m considering to retire?
@tanner2936 ай бұрын
Torino is much bigger but it's the greyest city in Italy, it's flat and it has a more urban vibe, while Porto is much more hilly but close to the ocean and less bike friendly apart from the coast. If u like the Alps better Turin, otherwise better Porto
@nicolettastrada59762 ай бұрын
@@tanner293have you ever been to Torino?🤫
@tanner2932 ай бұрын
@@nicolettastrada5976 yes
@italico3222Ай бұрын
@@tanner293 poco ci credo...indovino sei portoghese
@tanner293Ай бұрын
@@italico3222 no
@Haiyan256 ай бұрын
Seems like a beautiful city. We have an apartment in Vila Nova de Gaia, but never actually ventured out to Póvoa or Vila do Conde. BTW that’s not how you pronounce “Póvoa” 😅. It has an accent on the “o”, so it’s POH-voa and not povo-AH
@simonesauerland55132 ай бұрын
I love 💕 the Italian food 🍲 5 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
@diogorodrigues7476 ай бұрын
08:25 You're going to be cancelled by every Portuguese out there... LOL
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
HAHA. We've gotta be honest and genuine though, right? Also, we're not too sure that we get a lot of Portuguese viewers anymore. - Josh & Kalie
@veronicadcf6 ай бұрын
C'mon! We need to give them a break. They used popularity as the criteria. Let's not cancel them because of that just yet 😝!
@diogorodrigues7476 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere Of course. ;)
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
@@veronicadcf HAHA
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
@@diogorodrigues747 Okay, we've created a poll. Let's let the people speak. Hopefully people will vote honestly so we can see if there's bias. - Josh & Kalie
@RuiCBGLima6 ай бұрын
17:00 Italy wins for infrastructure! Water in Portugal is better, - the problem of Portugal is that concentrates too much on the two cities, while not really being that good. An idea: the best portuguese train is an italian one - the Pendolini or Alfa Pendular.
@victorppt6 ай бұрын
Yes...go quickly. They have houses for 1 euro to buy.
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
HAHA with a lot of hoops to jump through in areas that have houses for sale for a euro because well real estate is all about location, location, location. - Josh & Kalie
@nicolettastrada59766 ай бұрын
Funny
@user-gc4zy2sr2g6 ай бұрын
Just remember, you get what you pay for.
@nicolettastrada59762 ай бұрын
Experts
@kimestrada89906 ай бұрын
What about the price of gelato?
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
It depends on where you go. ;-) It could be €15 HAHA - Josh & Kalie
@chuckmurray18254 ай бұрын
Have you guys been to the Puglia region in Italy. I've seen on KZfaq that's it's still a good bargain especially if you live in a town of 17,000 or less which qualifies you for their discounted tax scheme.
@ExpatsEverywhere4 ай бұрын
Hey Chuck, at this point, Puglia is one of the few regions we haven't been to in Italy. It's got a good stretch of Adriatic coast though. - Josh & Kalie
@chuckmurray18254 ай бұрын
@@ExpatsEverywhere They have white sandy beaches like those you would find in the panhandle of Florida but some in Puglia have white cliffs as well. The water is the same color as the Caribbean. I just saw a video from a retired American living there and 1 bdrm flats are typically 350 to 500 E per month with another 150 for utilities and phone. I love Portugal and my plan was to move there but losing the NHR and Golden Visa has made that unlikely for me now.
@dianawliao3 ай бұрын
I spent a few months in Bari and Lecce. Two lovely and very different cities. Amazing food. Maybe the best in Italy. I’ve spent a lot of time in Italy, Spain, and Portugal and I have to say the availability of fresh veggies in Italy at restaurants is a huge advantage. Restaurant menus in Spain and Portuguese rarely offer “salads” or vegetable dishes. In Italy, you can easily get a variety of interesting and delicious salads (puntarelle with alici) and vegetables are featured in many dishes, so you can make healthier choices if you want to. I found the locals to be very warm and friendly and learning/speaking Italian is a pleasure, whereas I enjoy Portuguese (and Spanish less). Maybe it’s just because I find Italian more pleasing to the ear and easier to pronounce since you can take your time/stretch out the vowels.
@YogaBlissDance2 ай бұрын
@@dianawliao agree with all your points!
@kyungshim64834 ай бұрын
I'm a Brazilian Portuguese (as opposed to European Portuguese) speaker and travelled to both Portugal and Italy before and I can definitely say that I would probably understand Italians way better than Portuguese if I learned some Italians. The reason is because the European Portuguese accent makes them sound like they have eaten some of the words or parts of some words. I don't think my ears can get used to that.
@jaysimoes37052 ай бұрын
No way. There are what, 250.000 Brazilians living in Portugal (???) and they talk Portuguese like we do in a matter of months. The adjustment takes a week. I agree there are tow languages: Brazilian on one hand coming from Brazil. A local develpment of a standard Portuguese that once was spoken also in Portugal. Then there is Portuguese, spoken in Portugal of course which since then developped in its own way. Still both are close and mostly considered the same language. The Brazilains I meet in Portugal most of the times to me are indistinguishable from Portuguese, they talk with little or no accent and have adapted....quickly.
@finetrib2 ай бұрын
Is it that different? Interesting ... the brazilian prosody seems more melodic and soft, is that the difference or something else?
@Maria-js9ou6 ай бұрын
24:52 In reality, for 2024, you only enter the 45% bracket at €51.997. From 39.790€ to 51.996€ it is 43.5%
@ExpatsEverywhere6 ай бұрын
Thanks, Maria. Can you drop a link to that figure? A lot of publications are still posting above 50k for the top tax bracket.
@oliviaaugust77986 ай бұрын
A very common practice in Portugal is to burn your plastic inside your fireplace and outside I have witnessed multifull families doing this. This about hart plasic plastic
@soniasantos69076 ай бұрын
olivia, ????? Plástico nas lareiras????
@cloureiro6 ай бұрын
Portugal hands down !!
@laurap.58045 ай бұрын
Hi being an italian living in Portugal since 2018 I can confirm Italy is absolutely much more expensive!!! Rents can be similar after the surge they had but utilities…300 vs 30 for electricity just to give an example, than water bills, rubbish taxes that in italy are paid by renters too not like here that are paid only by owners, máfia táxi that do not allow uber to work and , i am sorry, do overcharge to foreigners too, sometimes A LOT!!! Portugal forever!!!! O sold my house in Italy and Will never go back
@laurap.58045 ай бұрын
And I don t talk about safety AND cleaness….
@ExpatsEverywhere5 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing, Laura. We hope you stay well. 😁 - Josh & Kalie
@laurap.58045 ай бұрын
YES Thank you both, you are very nice. @@ExpatsEverywhere
@larsjohansson6606 ай бұрын
shopping and women and culture is better in italy.
@jw8416 ай бұрын
When it comes to attractive women Italy beats Portugal by a country mile. Actually alot of European countries beat Portugal in this as well.
@koenvanderwielen66643 ай бұрын
Italy has too many problems with the infrastructure. Bridges and tunnels are almost collapsing due to lack of maintenance (partly because of corruption) in the last few decennium
@nicolettastrada59762 ай бұрын
We’re still in the middle age😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@italico3222Ай бұрын
But who tells you these things?
@user-hq2lx2gf4m5 ай бұрын
Italy cecilia is near africa
@nicolettastrada59765 ай бұрын
Cecilia??? A nice girl
@JulianLaEchoАй бұрын
Portugal (Algarve) is closer to Africa and Morocco.