One thing about Italian language is, unlike every other language I've studied, including Korean and Chinese, Italians enuciate clearly. They seem to take pride in sounding pedantic. It makes it much easier to understand when listening.

My experience with the friendliness in Italy was overwhelming. Traveling alone and needing help at different times, the Italian people that stepped in to help me was amazing. More than the 9 other countries I traveled. Maybe friendly wasn’t the best word for what I experienced but I loved the people. I also loved the vivaciousness as they related to each other. Excited to experience Spain and Portugal soon!

Just one thing to note: Italy's population is 59.11 million versus Portugal has 10.33 million, that's a big difference! especially when comparing the hospital system, crime rates, tourism, traffic etc

For retirees you guys should definitely do a comparison with France. With the US-France tax treaty, you don't pay French taxes on your US pension/Social Security. Cost of living is a little higher than Portugal or Italy in general, but with the tax benefits for retired people, I think overall costs are about the same.

Great video, guys. I love it. Please make one comparing Portugal and Spain in that format. ❤ Thank you.

Something I always noticed growing up Portuguese in CT, is that, if the couples weren't Portuguese and Portuguese, they were almost always Portuguese and Italian. I think it has to do a lot with the cultures being so similar. I think it was more pronounced with the immigrants coming over here in the 60s and 70s. All I know for sure is that I grew up around a lot of big families and amazing food!

As a U.S. citizen having lived in Torino for a little while, one major difference between Portugal and Italy, that I noticed is price of housing to buy. I am planning to move part-time to Portugal soon and want to buy a house. Properties for sale in Portuguese cities seem to cost almost double what they do in Italy. I found a lot of good sized houses and apartments in Turin for under 200 thousand euros versus the same sized ones going for 380 thousand on the outskirts of Porto and Lisbon. This is probably due to the amount of housing available in Italy compared to Portugal. I think this affects costs for some people living in Portugal rather than Italy.

I adore Portugal, no doubt about it. I've only been to Italy twice but will be going to Rome in March for 5 days and then will spend another 5 days in Lisbon before flying home the the US. I am glad that I am traveling this way. I expect Rome to be more expensive but I want to eat well so won't worry to much about my spending. Plus it will be nice to be in Lisbon where I have some favorite places to go where you dont have to spend all that much. Eating out here in the East Coast has really become expensive for even a sub. There is no such thing as cheap eats anymore in the States. Great video, guys. Love your videos!

There is another nuanced detail about taxes that should be mentioned with regard to married couples that could swing the win to Portugal depending on the couple’s joint income situation. In Portugal a married couple can file jointly, in which case the taxable income is then 50% of the combined total, thus likely dropping the couple down to a lower tax bracket (unless you’re really wealthy or really poor). In Italy, there is no joint filing of taxes at all-it’s all individual. So, if each of a couple has taxable income, each will be taxed straight within the progressive brackets. In Portugal, even if only one of the couple has taxable income you can file jointly and are taxed 50% of the household income.

You are both such amazing communications! Thanks for your insights!

When I was retiring and considering on where to move the decision boiled down to Italy or Portugal. While I did not consider every factor discussed in your video I did consider most of them, especially weather, and landed on Italy. One thing I considered was ease of weekend jaunts outside of the country to other countries because I love exploring new places. I live by Lake Garda in northern Italy and I am within 4 hours drive from Switzerland, Austria, Germany, Croatia, Slovenia and Lichtenstein. And close proximity to the Alps and Dolomites is a non starter (stunning beauty). However, I love visiting Portugal. I try to never say that one place is “better” or “worse” but more suited to my particular preferences. My preferences led me to choose Italy even though I speak Portuguese and the language adjustment would have been easier.

That was a fun video to watch! A practical comparison. I will say that taxes are complicated in most countries, and people need to research this area before making decisions. 🤔

Taxis in Rome charge a flat rate within the city center. No reason to taxi from or to the airport, when there is a fine train connection, which links with the subway system and Stazione Termini.

I've been thinking exactly about this subject in past few weeks, this video helped me a lot! Thanks!

A note about the languages. Portuguese is one of the hardest languages to learn (in terms of speaking/listening) as a native English speaker. Italian is far easier.

So hard to compare but well done! We love Italy but have never really envisioned ourselves there, especially with the easy Visa in Portugal. That being said the cuisine is hands down better in Italy. I know some Portuguese will be here in the comments disaggreeing but there is not comparison. Also, I love the Italian language, they announce all the letters! As far as friendliness, I think it is similar to Portugal in that the smaller the city, the nicer the people. We live in Lisbon so I think we lose the friendliness of the people here and we just went to some small towns in Italy and everyone was soo friendly.

Great vid! I Would love to see a video on the Comparison of portugal vs spain

There is a very sweet KZfaqr called Rafael Di Furia who is Italian American, and moved from the US to Italy and lived there for some time before moving to Portugal and settling in Braga. When I saw your video's title I thought you may have collaborated with him like you did with Dave. Judging by the few videos I watched on his channel, I think he would agree with most of your conclusions about the difference between the two countries.

I love Portugal but about history, art etc. You can't make a comparison, Italy has an enormous history, no Western country can compare to Italy

Italy gets a lot hotter than Portugal in general (minus the far north in the Alps). This is mainly because Portugal gets the winds from the Atlantic ocean, which really help to cool things down. You have to go south of Figueira da Foz before the weather starts to get completely unbearable in the summer. And that's halfway down the Portugal.

Great video -- as requested below... I look forward to a comparison of Spain and Portugal. Spain's real estate I am constantly being told is generally lower

Great intel! I have a friend who has just bought homes in Italy, & I'm getting ready to move to my apt in Lisboa. Seems like they're about even to me.

OMG! I need NOT to read others comments, with their own comments, because read several judgmental, unkind and arrogant comments! Though I WILL continue to watch your blogs! THANK YOU for all you do!! I greatly appreciate it!!

I am wondering what part of Italy you are using for this comparison. It is significantly higher priced in the North, and this is all categories (Housing, Food, Utilities, Entertainment, etc.) From the prices you used here it seems as though you are only using Northern costs. The difference between the North and South of Italy are as large as Italy vs Portugal as a whole. Southern Italy IMO is the most affordable area in all of Europe.

Thank you for your time and posting. Thanks for the Numbeo website. :) I'm actually looking into Malaysia. Just the pollution level is pretty high. I lived in North Queensland AU (Port Douglas/Cairns) for a couple of years and the wet/dry season was actually great for me.

you compared torino. Expensive city in italy (besides Milano). Not a fair comparison imo, even if you say that Porto is also the most expensive in Portugal. Thats a small country and you wont have huge difference between porto or other "cities". While in italy there is a huge difference in different parts (being a big country) and i am not saying to compare a small village out of nowhere... Taxis - i live in italy for 3 years never sat in a taxi. I live here and i am not a tourist, so i wouldnt add that to the cost of living too much. As a retired i rather have a car of my own than paying services like a cab. fyi.: Not being able to pay by card in a taxi is illegal. I know you dont wanna be beaten by a driver but normally you can call the police if they insist on cash. By law it is mandatory to accept cards in taxis, tho it is a known problem that they "force" tourists to pay cash ("card machine isnt working" terrible practice... Drinks are def. more expensive in Italy in restaurants. YOu guys go out a lot that might make a difference of course. yeah beer/wine is about 4eur (in Rome) or up if you go a fancier place. But again how much you wanna eat out? We eat out few times a month maybe, if that's a daily thing for you then yeah italy is expensive. Coffee is cheap in italy which is more important to me. Safety: AGain italy is a huge country. There are places where it is totally unsafe to go and even violent crime is a problem and places where you would never have any problems, ever. Two of my friends just got mugged and beaten in Porto in two different occasions recently. People said it is not unusual to happen there, while this can happen in italy like bad neighbourhoods in Naples or Rome (Termini), there are tons of cities that are very safe in general, i.e.Verona, even Torino is a fairly safe. Pickpocketing is a problem in Italy everywhere. Food: pasta and pizza. Again if you eat restaurants only. There are so much more to italian food than pasta and pizza. the different cheeses, parmigiano, peccorino, taleggio, tons of different prosciutto, mozzarella, bread and most importantly the fresh ingredients of vegetables, fruits...italy is clear winner of fresh ingredients and not the restaurant dishes which is a matter of taste rather than "quality", again imo. Friendliness: portugese vs italian. Italians are extremely different in Piemond, Liguria or veneto, Toscana, Emilia-R., or Lazio but didnt even bring up the southern states. Comparing italy as country is a huge mistake. typical tourist thing to do after 2 weeks. Even italians argue among themselves where people are nice or terrible within italy. As if you generlize americans, when you know that a texan is very different from an east coast new yorker or a californian or a seattle person...Italy is a huge country with tons of local dialects and languages. Incomparable to a small country like Portugal. just came back from lisbon and i dont find restaurants cheaper..while quality of food is incomparably better in italy. The only country can compete with italian quality of food is france. that's just my opinion. Otherwise great video and content. Liked...

With regard to air quality, last winter I traveled 6 weeks north to south and back again and west to east, big cities and small villages. While I loved the area north east of Braga, close to the Peneda-Gerês, and other rural areas, smoke from individual homes' heating made it difficult to breathe and was very visible. It made for charming and beautiful pictures of smoke wafting through the green hillsides, but it also made for challenges in air quality. Probably a seasonal consideration and a factor when considering smaller cities/villages throughout Portugal as central heating is not the norm. It is definitely a factor for me to consider when thinking about where to locate.

Josh speaks Spanish which makes Portuguese and Italian languages more accessible. Brazilian Portuguese is easier to understand than Portuguese Portuguese though and there are a lot of Brazilians in Portugal…

Italy is superior in terms of food, art, architecture, and multiple cities.

You're such a great couple! It's a delight to watch your videos!

nobody uses taxis in Italy we have public transport. Americans need to learn how to walk.

Really enjoyed this deep dive. Thank you

I think it’s easier to live in Portugal and Italy is close enough to visit. The whole of Europe is close for Americans since we live in a Continent sized country. I do have a question concerning the Portuguese language requirement for nationality - PLA course or CIPLE Exam? 150 hours of lessons vs 90 minutes of testing?

I lived in Italy for two years. As I recall English is not well known. One thing about italian language, Italians universally enunciate clearly. I dont know why this is the case but it makes listening to, and understanding Italian much easier than almost every other language.

Being a portuense myself, I can generally relate to your expat perceptions of living here. I have lived abroad and used to ponder whether I should move out again or not. Eventually I came to the conclusion that there is no place I could live in where I wouldn't regret that decision.

Whether you move to Italy depends on what you are looking for. For example, are you looking to live in a first-, second-, or third-tier city? Do you need to work in Italy? Would you like to be by the sea or in the mountains? What is your budget for renting or buying? Do you want to be close to an international airport? What is your level of Italian? Do you have health problems that require you to be near medical facilities? Do you need to place children in a school and are you looking for an international school or an Italian state-run one? Only by getting granular on what you are looking for in Italy can you find if it is best suited for your needs and objectives, both personally and possibly professionally.

QUESTION @ 8:10 Who eats all of that food? ANSWER: It depends. In general, most people in Italy do not eat an antipasto, primo piatto, secondo piatto, dolce, and digestivo (after dinner drink) for each meal at home. At home, folks typically eat a primo piatto (e.g. pasta, rice, polenta or soup), a second dish (meat or fish) and maybe a dessert or after meal drink. Unless there’s a very special occasion the family is celebrating (e.g., Christmas, Easter, graduation, birthday, guest visiting) then, yes, antipasto, primo and secondo piatto, sweet and drinks are more typical. At a restaurant, there’s an expectation that you will order an antipasto, primo piatto, secondo piatto and dessert. If you do skip one of these, you may get some strange looks by the waiter. 😂 Probably ‘eating out’ at a restaurant is less common than in the US so there’s an assumption by the restaurant that you’re celebrating something and, of course, you’d be ordering a full course meal. Then at a pizzeria (not a restaurant) it’s fine to order a pizza or calzone and walk away after that. 👍🏻 Hope this helps. 😊

I'm moving to Naples for my job this summer. The cost of living allowance, we receive, is higher in Italy than in Bahrain. I'm still loyal to FCP Dragões but will cheer on Napoli as my adopted team.

Thanks for the very enlightening video! I discovered your channel from Rafael's video.

00:02 Italy is more expensive than Portugal in terms of cost of living 02:09 Portugal wins in cost of living and safety compared to Italy 06:26 Italy has a wide variety of food options. 08:37 Italy offers a wider variety of big cities with amenities compared to Portugal. 13:02 Comparison between the historical roots and societal dynamics of Portugal and Italy 15:21 Portugal healthcare vs Italy healthcare and Infrastructure 19:42 Air quality and quality of life differ based on specific situations and long-term factors 21:33 Both countries fall into the Mediterranean climate classification with varying degrees of weather and water advantages. 25:37 Comparison on living in Italy and Portugal

Lots of great info!❤

As an Italian who lived in Portugal for a year (and I'm seriously considering the idea of moving back there because I really like it) I feel like there are waaaay too many factors to take into considerations in order to declare which one is "better for living". Plus this video is not even about that. I'm sorry but you guys having a couple of trips to Italy, and throwing a couple of datas in there, does not make you knowledgeable enough to make such a video. I wouldn't be able to do that either and I could have much more to say. It feels more like a guide on which country to visit from an American perspective (except for a couple of points, such as the taxes one), which is still debatable but that's your opinion as a tourist so that's fair enough. Just to be clear, I'm saying all of this not to "defend" Italy. I'm not a patriotic person at all, again I love Portugal and there are good chances I'll move there again soon. I just feel like it's a superficial video and it's made by 2 people who haven't even lived in both countries (visiting and living are obviously two completely different things). It's also slightly misleading, especially in a couple of points. No offense intended, I watched a few other videos of this channel and you guys are really nice and make good contents, this comment wants to be a constructive criticism.

Thanks for the mention (or at least, quick flash) of Salpoente in Aveiro!

Great Video!!!! Could you make more comparisions on that? Portugal vs. other countries ? 😊

6:14 In the time it took to say that we could look into it ourselves, you could have said what ossobuco is. 8:11 You do eat all that food in the restaurants or at home for event meals.

Man, it is too bad taxes are so high in both countries. I dont mind paying taxes, but to pay over 48%? a Gut a punch.

Southern Italy is usually 10 degrees fahrenheit warmer than the north and in Summer around 39 celsius in the summer months.

Living costs in Italy have escalated since 2019. Taxis where always a ripoff in our country.

What is that for a weird mix of talking about culture and then family, mixing that and a question about friendliness together? This shows just a lack of knowledge about history/culture AND the inability to separate categories. Italy has historically and culturally by far more to offer than Portugal (not just due to its bigger size). This is a no brainer. Of course not for ppl which knowledge ends with vague associations like 'ok, this is pretty old stuff and that is pretty old stuff' (and I do not talk here in particular about Americans. Every European who even doesnt know what for instance the Holy Roman Empire' and 'Hanseatic League' is, is basically historically uneducated). That Portuguese are on average more friendly than Italians is true but should not be mixed in the same category (also not those family aspects). Another really irrational talk was about the Climate/Weather. 'He basically: Italy is more cold, Portugal more warm' (which is nonsense. You have more variety in Italy from colder to warm to hot). 'She: ok, water is warmer in Italy' (without recognizing that this is quite the opposite of what he said). Both then agree (in a typical stupid group dynamic of kind of wanting a result) on that 'Portugal wins here' (while this is obviously a stupid conclusion) ...

I am Italian and live in the metropolitan city of Milan 🇮🇹and it’s not true what you are saying . The city of Milan is very safe and Italy is a very safe country to live much safer than living in California or in other States of the USA .

I found Uber to be super unreliable in Italy, especially around Rome. I think you have a lot more gig economy workers who are unfamilar with the big city. I had 5-6 drivers who were unable to locate me in the city of Rome. I never had any problems with Uber in Portugal or Brazil for that matter. I’ve also found Italians to be less hospitable than other countries. It’s very clear there is a tourist problem there by all the rules they have for hotel stays, limits on AC usage, and general distaste for immigrants that they will openly admit to. I struck up a conversation with a fine gentleman working on the top platform of the Leaning Tower of Pisa about soccer. He said he doesn’t watch the local teams much anymore because too many people from somewhere else. I found this distaste for immigrants in a lot of the cities throughout northern Italy. It’s very sad how some of the African immigrants are treated there. Sure, they should hassle the tourists less but they shouldn’t be arrested and pushed around for just walking up to people. You can feel the tension in Italy from the over abundance of people year round and I really didn’t care for that. It’s beyond beautiful to travel by train up and down that country though. It just wouldn’t like to live in that culture.

great work, thanx

I disagree with you guys I’ve been living in Tuscany for four years and it’s very reasonable and housing is at an all time low.look at the guy that just got mugged two days ago

I am going to be in Porto in March , hope I get to meet you guys 😀🥰

Hubby is Italian/Sicilian but several generations previously. I was born in Lisbon …..and closer connection to family in Portugal. My husband does not know of any family in Italy/Sicily ….. so Portugal it will be! 😃 Also not as expensive in Portugal! So Portugal wins for us!! YAY!!! THANK YOU for all the info!!!

Good points. I think for a vegetarian Italy is better as they have more veggie options as far as I know.

15 years ago being mugged in Portugal was really a threat... don't know about now

Brazilian Portuguese would be easier than European for sure. 😁 Italian is likely easier for American English speakers as well as American English is much easier than British for Brazilians. They're more clear languages with the vowels more clear and intense than the consonants. I'd dare to say more fluid, even. If you watch Brazilian TV with the textbook Portuguese you have you might be surprised. 🙂 Nice comparison between the two countries, thanks!

Found your commentary very biased !! You live in Portugal how can you compare!! No comparison . The difference in pop. and tourists. 😮 And language you have to be kidding even comparing!!! Go to the towns

Did you go to Southern Italy? Apparently its much cheaper.

I love the idea of being in Italy and the 'idea' of living there sometimes... but for me I think 'live in Portugal' and visit Italy. Funny though... I've traveled a lot, over the past 60 years... spent a LOT of time in NYC... and the only time I've ever been pick-pocketed was in Portugal. Can't lie, love Italian cuisine. Pastries, you can't beat the French... sorry... but I do have my favourites in Portugal too. You know I love Portugal, but as language goes... I find Italian easier to understand and speak... and I think it's prettier. I think I'll be learning Portuguese for the rest of my life, LOL So many good points made in this video, for either side...

hey guys, did you move to Braga? I see quite a lot of content from there when you talk about Portugal in this video

Great video! I think we will stick with Portugal. However, we did go to Italy for lunch once and it was amazing!

Like English, Portuguese is very rich in vowel sounds. Italians have just the basic ones, with two or three variations. Portuguese has lots of diphthong, nasal sounds and this kind of thing.

Outstanding video. Great job! Just a couple of points starting at the end and working back. It's important to add that the high taxes provide health care for all. In the US my wife and I pay almost $1000 a month for our insurance. So add $12,000 to what we pay in taxes. On roads, at some point the powers that be decided it would be a good idea to sell advertising on their road sign posts. You will find a post with Luigi's Pizza sign at the top of seven other signs and near the bottom....Verona. You can easily miss your turnoff. No such problem in Portugal. And finally, the Portuguese are well aware that their language is spoken in only one other major country, Brazil, and so they have emphasized the teaching of the international language english for many decades. Italians are generally not crazy about speaking anything but Italian. In spite of being just next door to France and Austria, few Italians speak either french or german. Most hospitality people you will deal with when traveling will speak some english but outside of the cities, very little english is spoken. Again, great video. Oh, one more important thing. Italy is VERY vertical with difficult walking in most places. This will matter to retirees.

I am looking into it. I go there all the time, and like the place. I am going back there again this summer. But not easy to get things done if you live there; too much bureaucracy . As a tourist it is great place to visit though.

It would be nice if you can put your points and votes in a table, lots of info.

From what I understand, Italians eat all these different courses in a meal, but the portions are small...

PRETTY SURE there is an Italian/American tax treaty where if you earn up to 120k you don't double pay or even pay US tax...look into it folks there is a treaty and that is the cutoff...Also I like you guys but a couple of the ratings DEPEND...southern Italy costs much lower than northern, much more sunny, folks FRIENDLIER slower quality of life etc. Also some tax schemes to have you pay lower for like 7 years in Italy- do your research. I also found most Italians warm, they are a bit assertive, so if you are from a US city you will be fine! They'll seem friendly.

The Italians are very friendly , enthusiastic and happy people in the World . The Portuguese people are friendly and more reserved . But they are both Latin people with a history of the Roman Empire of 2000 years . Mixed races throughout 2000 years .

Pretty sure all those indexes are wrong...

Friendliest place in Europe, esp if you try to speak Italian! They are trying to preserve their language and culture as the youth seem to be drifting away from their history. Prego!

Thanks for sharing. I thought Portugal has better healthcare system compared to Italy because of experience there. I will retire in Portugal 👍🏾🌏

My question would be, why pick one when you can do both? Taxes will kill you if still working and move to either. Why not keep your place in the U.S. then just travel and rent, max visa time, to either or both? this is my thought.

I've stopped watching after 4 minutes: it's well known there are big issues with taxi, however in terms of cost of living comparing Rome and Lisbon , Rome is way more affordable! Regarding beers, where exactly is the competition here in Lisbon? Choices in lisbon are between 2 local beers and a weird brand ... When you deal with 100 competitors, then you will see how the price will rise !

Another nuance regarding retirement in both countries: there is a 10yrs/7% tax in Italy for those living in small towns in the south. And as you know, in Portugal cancelling NHR mode. BTW, what is a status of that? I mean, how difficult it would be for your government to create an economic program to encourage building new houses to fix housing crisis, you have a semi-socialist country. That would propel Portugal in Europe.

Hmmm….Italy where??? I live in Sicily and the costs/expenses you mention are definitely not what I pay day to day.

Smoking. I found smoking in Portugal a lot worse than in Italy. Which equates to air quality and quality of life.

13:02 Portugal is the oldest country and has the second oldest city after Athens. Trust me Portugal has a more varied and beautiful history to Italy (although I do personally love Italia).

Nice video, but while I agree with some parts, some other parts are either uncomparable or simply wrong. I think that comparing culture/historical sites of Italy with Portugal is simply crazy. Italy has 53 World Heritage sites, while Portugal has 16, so it is not more or less the same. I understand that you are basing your opinion on your perception, but that sounded a bit ridiculous to hear. Moreover, the bias of living in Portugal is very much present i n your considerations. You should live for a long time in both places to have a more balanced opinion. Italy is way bigger than Portugal, and it also has a lot more diversity across regions, so you still need to explore a lot in Italy, and you will see the freandliness, or say healthcare, changes significantly from region to region, same as culture, costumes, foods...italy got united in late 18th century, and before then it was a bunch of indipendent states, and that is why there is some much cultural differences among regions...doing such comparisons can only create divisions though. I would definetly not compare countries in such a way, as the law of numbers would lead Italy to win in so many aspects just because there is/was a lot more going on.

Italian tax is crazy high... fk they need to change that income tax should be 10 , 20% max , not 45% like wtf is that....

Great video overall. I think one area to discuss that was not covered, is bureaucracy. General as well as building and remodelling . From what I see and hear, Italy is 100 times worse then Portugal.

Rome actually has not been on the map forever.... Lisboa is older

How does Torino compare to Porto in terms of size? Those are 2 cities I’m considering to retire?

Seems like a beautiful city. We have an apartment in Vila Nova de Gaia, but never actually ventured out to Póvoa or Vila do Conde. BTW that’s not how you pronounce “Póvoa” 😅. It has an accent on the “o”, so it’s POH-voa and not povo-AH

I love 💕 the Italian food 🍲 5 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

08:25 You're going to be cancelled by every Portuguese out there... LOL

17:00 Italy wins for infrastructure! Water in Portugal is better, - the problem of Portugal is that concentrates too much on the two cities, while not really being that good. An idea: the best portuguese train is an italian one - the Pendolini or Alfa Pendular.

Yes...go quickly. They have houses for 1 euro to buy.

Experts

What about the price of gelato?

Have you guys been to the Puglia region in Italy. I've seen on KZfaq that's it's still a good bargain especially if you live in a town of 17,000 or less which qualifies you for their discounted tax scheme.

I'm a Brazilian Portuguese (as opposed to European Portuguese) speaker and travelled to both Portugal and Italy before and I can definitely say that I would probably understand Italians way better than Portuguese if I learned some Italians. The reason is because the European Portuguese accent makes them sound like they have eaten some of the words or parts of some words. I don't think my ears can get used to that.

24:52 In reality, for 2024, you only enter the 45% bracket at €51.997. From 39.790€ to 51.996€ it is 43.5%

A very common practice in Portugal is to burn your plastic inside your fireplace and outside I have witnessed multifull families doing this. This about hart plasic plastic

Portugal hands down !!

Hi being an italian living in Portugal since 2018 I can confirm Italy is absolutely much more expensive!!! Rents can be similar after the surge they had but utilities…300 vs 30 for electricity just to give an example, than water bills, rubbish taxes that in italy are paid by renters too not like here that are paid only by owners, máfia táxi that do not allow uber to work and , i am sorry, do overcharge to foreigners too, sometimes A LOT!!! Portugal forever!!!! O sold my house in Italy and Will never go back

shopping and women and culture is better in italy.

Italy has too many problems with the infrastructure. Bridges and tunnels are almost collapsing due to lack of maintenance (partly because of corruption) in the last few decennium

Italy cecilia is near africa