Old joke about wealth and status in post-Soviet Russia: "Look at this Rolex watch, I bought it for $500." "You got ripped off. I know a place that sells it for $1000."

Buy the really expensive bottle one time, then refill it with cheap wine. Problem solved

Whiskey?

@@grimjawx1650 cause people value the price they paid, not the product itself, that is what the whole video on wine is about....

@@grimjawx1650 Because the joke is about people who want to show off how much money they spend, not get the best value for their money.

Absolutely. Liquor prices, generally, are affected by a logarithmic increase of price over quality. Ever-smaller increases in quality cost ever-greater amounts of money. You can see the same general trend in cars, houses, and other consumer products. There are such things as faulty wines, and there's certainly some real rough ones, mostly sold by the demijohn, but even commercial box wines are almost always perfectly sound. And after that, it's only a matter of taste.

Is it though? Is it the same with food? Or art? Is quality subjective? I like cold cheap pizza, but i'm not gonna claim its good. I think you gotta diferentiate between personal subjective experience and collectively agreed upon reality. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a cheap wine, or junk food, or the latest GoT season, but you have to be aware of the fact that those are objectively poor products.

ziglaus he doesn’t mean the only good wine is the one you like to drink just because it’s ur preference🤦🏾‍♀️ he means to YOU. If u like cold pizza you can claim it’s good because it’s good to you. Op was talking about how your own subjective preference is the only thing that matters on what and how you enjoy what you like and your going on a rant about objective quality when it was never even the point of his comment. Also cheap wine isnt correlations with objective inferior quality as the video shows repeatedly. People just like being snobby about it. Because they change their “objective” ratings depending on the label without knowing its he exact same wine. Or contradict themselves in countless other ways when trying to give an objective quality rating to the wine. Anyways, the op obviously don’t mean your subjective preference is supposed to be everybody else’s new objective standard. That’s absurd and makes no sense, so ur tangent was kind of unnecessary tbh.

CPT Fields not true. Expensive alcoholics like whiskey or some vodka brands are just distilled way better and use finer resources.. For red wine it’s the age and location of the crop that can make a huge difference

Not entirely. There is a clear difference in quality and taste between, say, whiskey, if you pick the cheapest, and middle to high end. However, at some point you reach a threshold where you just pay for the brand.

This made me laugh out loud 🤣🤣🤣

😂😂😂

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only if you cant afford it!

Hmm.Taste like 5 dolkar wine

Never spend more than 10 euros for wine

You're fired.

$15-20 range is still perfect for me and there is a lot of quality to be had in that range. However, I recently tried a glass from a $250 bottle of Napa Valley 2014 Syrah and was blown away by it. It was very noticeable to me the difference in quality. Doesn’t mean the cheaper stuff is bad, but I think most people can tell the difference between cheap and expensive

@@jacob9540 did you know the price before drinking as that can heavily affect the perception of a food or drink? When experts cant be distinguished from random people who like a drink I'm inclined to believe its its mostly pompous nonsense.

Correct if me im wrong but i've been working with wines for a few years now and i havent been afraid to try ANYTHING whatsoever but after trying so many wines from so many price points i came to the conclusion that After ~$30-$50 price point , wine becomes less about the quality of the wine and more about the Region, Brand and rarity (because of the process its made) + The demand of it from marketing. There's so many $20-$25 dollar bottles ive enjoyed WAY more than some $60 - $70 bottles i bought. Theres ALOT of snobs in the Wine biz who try to push certain narratives that just arent true.

Yeah that's a good trick, especially if you aren't planning to have a great reputation in the future.

@@deadeyeduncan5022 lol What reputation? Any restaurant selling wine make like 400% on the wine.

@@deadeyeduncan5022 but the wine is so subjective that even if you pay a lot of money and don't like it, you could easily delude yourself into thinking it's just not your kind of wine.

I believe it!

Deadeye Duncan I don’t think what he did was bad. He said the wine was very good but got stuck because people were not realizing it’s quality. After he changed the price, it changed the client’s perception of the value of the wine. We buy many things knowing that we are not paying a fair price. Take the Apple products as example...

Not only that, but those three bottles, one is from Napa, one is from the Central Coast, and one if from Chile. Terroir, even to untrained pallets makes a huge difference.

@@kencharm2909 Terroir isn't actually that important. Wine is mostly defined by the production process itself.

Nope. Wine is made in the vineyard. Terroir is all. Any winemaker will tell you that. There's no magic "transformative" process that alters the character of the fruit, only winemaking that's either sympathetic to the fruit's flavour profile, or it isn't.

@@sentimentalbloke185 Also, while things like acidity or body are related to the micro-climate of the vineyard (=terroir) the fruit flavour of the wine is not affected or defined by that at all. Stop spreading nonsense.

You've obviously never met a winemaker in your life, buddy. You're the one spreading nonsense. Terroir refers to every aspect of the vineyard position not just its climate (& micro-climate). Go talk to a Burgundian about terroir & clone selection. Wine is made in the vineyard.

Well, actually this you should have known in the first place. The importance of this is amazing! It shows that lables can change the way people percieve things. Not only wine.

Also that is how the whole advertisment system works. By labling I mean.

This information just saved people thousands of $$$ over their lifetimes

Quaranthingzzz

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The for subtitles

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You're great! This is exactly what this video is about.

Yeah we all watched the video

I love you

Lol.....

It reminds me of the Bob's Burgers episode where they are doing wine tasting with an expert on a train or something, and one of the tourists takes a sip and looks to the expert and says, "Oh boy! I can't wait to find out if I like this or not!"

Ever heard of "terroire" it applies to Americans also.

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@Steve N. 2 dollars a bottle. Where are you at?

100%

Even wine tasters can't tell.

Title of your sex tape

Title of OUR sex tape

@@muj9611 r/unexpectedcommunism

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Doug Judy ( his best friend)

Maybe taste worse after all too

@Steve Nunez Yes. Taste and grape together make about the 10% of the price(you can't sell juice instead of wine right?), winmaker ‐ 90%.

@Steve Nunez Well, you're right. Even so I think people should not chase pleasures. If you can be content with wine for 5 dollars then it's easier for you to live. I personally do not drink alcohol at all because that is a very strong drug that can lead to dire consequences.

That's true for everything in life.

Mmm, I can taste the Jackson’s.

For 2€ are you sure about that ? Be careful about what they put in it ...

@@Lozo39 Just like how American food companies chop up fetuses for use of product in food and cosmetics?

@@Lozo39 French Hypermarkets are good for the wallet, also it's the EU, the food safety regulations are incredibly strict.

Hon hon hon! >:{D

This dude is right, same in Italy

Why aren't you up? This post should have more likes.

I agree with you, so I gave AM an upvote. Now here's one for you, too.

yes.

Always was^^ sad isn´t it? some wines are better than other tough, but that has nothing to do with the price.

That's right! lol

Lol so true tho

lol

+Dami Nooki you clearly dont play video games

Nothin wrong with that

+SkullMunch392 have you ever for once in your life thought, they might prefer iOS? typical fandroid

How tf is 8$ expensive

@@somerandomguy7458 dunno about the states but the usual bottle of wine is around 3-4 Euros in Germany. 8 Euros is expensive, 1,5 Euros is the cheap stuff. But then again, alcohol taxes are a joke in Germany

unless if your broke

@@schievel6047 Wine is more expensive in North America because there aren't that many places it can be grown. The largest wine producing region is the Great Lakes area, roughly corresponding to Chicago, Ohio, and Toronto.

@@Andrew-gn9qp might be part of the reason but the 3-4$ is not just German wine but also French, US-American, Chile, Autralia and what not So I think the price difference is not just of geographical reason

I'd prefer coke and hoes.

What do you do lol

I was a phone clerk in the crude oil pit on the floor of the NYMEX before electronic trading started and it was still open outcry. I used to take orders from companies looking to buy or sell Crude oil futures.

But did you know the price before you tried, or knowing anything about the wine you drank. Other then this glass has wine in it and this one does as well. Because that altered how you tasted it, most likely. Then again i guess it doesn't matter. Since wine tasting is 100% bullshit, since it all comes down to personal preference and ones only views of the win.

Have you even gone wine tasting? Or you watched a youtube video and now you're an expert.

price tag isn't subjective tho is it

MrWIWARD plus as the research they showed in the video states, people often disagreed with their own subjective judgements on the exact same wine for....reasons I guess. I think it’s safe it say these people are making this up as they go along🤷🏾‍♀️

But what is the point in raising the production costs of a food if it doesn’t make it taste better.

Sophia it tastes better to some people and if those people pay more for that flavor, so be it.

@@NickHunter this neither gives nor take away anything from what the guy said

True, unfortunately. I've been drinking wine for close to 45 years and I can count on one hand the number of truly great wines that were cheap. It's wonderful when it happens, but it doesn't happen often.

@@abneryokum what makes a wine great?

@@kryskrys6428 Google "What makes a wine great". Far too complex a topic to discuss in a KZfaq comment.

@@kryskrys6428--Tasting lots and lots of wine, with criticism in mind. What makes a good basketball player? Somebody that scores a lot of points, or plays great defense. There can be only One answer, right?

@@kryskrys6428 Most people would say balance and complexity. When you taste cheaper wines, you can usually easily point out some element of it-it’s fruity, it’s very dry, it’s oaky, etc. With a great wine, no single element is more prominent than the others. But really what makes a good wine is up to the drinker! The more objective question is what makes a wine higher in quality than another wine

don't you have to buy the "expensive bottle as well" or do you just buy one expensive bottle and reuse it?

You can do something even crazier... Tap water in an expensive bottle. Penn and Teller did an experiment on that, iirc. If it's 10 cents to make and distribute per bottle and they go for 6 bucks, that's 6000% ROI!

you could even mix that wine with vodka and make the ultimate lady killer

hahahahahaha no no no

"FIGI water"

labobo hasn't happened yet, once they recognized the fancy bottle as one they'd had a few times and noted how it tasted weird but I just shrugged it away and said "really I don't taste anything" and though he still looked confused he didn't say anything else, I did switch to a different cheep wine after that

***** hasen't come up yet most of the people we know know that we don't finish entire bottles of wine in one siting, but then again most know its cheep wine and we just bring out a fresh bottle of that, this is only for fancy meal situations

Gnosis Hilarious! But be careful who's coming to dinner. That trick wouldn't work on me. I taste new wines every week. With rare exceptions, price equals quality.

Sach966 The findings are too broad brushed to be taken as any form of gospel. I make my living selling wine table side. To be sure, there are many people who write for wine magazines who have no clue what they're tasting so these so-called "wine experts" were outed by their own incompetence in the study. What I do for customers is recommend top values in any price range. I also cold read the guests to decipher the depth of their wine experience and preferences so I can match them with a wine more likely to please their individual taste at their level of wine education. This gets pretty easy after 20 years of practice. No doubt, the world of wine is mostly bullshit. But like the subjective world of modern art, just because there's a lot of bullshit in the galleries does not mean there is no such thing as true modern art. So I'm not fooled by labels or pricing. Someone may have me taste a wine blind and ask me what I think. The basic non-geek response will be something like, "If this wine is under $50 it's a great value. But if it's over $100 it's a ripoff."

Sach966 The title of the video should be: "Expensive wines are for suckers unless you like expensive wines and have no problem affording them".

Same for people.

Graham Bunton : Smart!!

Okay but on average we don't pay what you pay for the same wine cuz marketing and shipping costs and also anything from SW France is widely considered to be main culprit of overpriced wine despite it's lesser quality in blind tasting competitions IN FRANCE compared to regions in similar climates like Napa Valley or Chile.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)

@@itsmederek1 True, I work in the industry in Chile, most of our wines are Superior to either French or US wine, yet the prices are always very low. My advice, don't check the prices, check the D.O (denomination of origin), the variety, the vintage (to check how long the wine has been on the bottle) and lastly, the ageing time and where was the wine aged, French oak barrel? American oak? What kind of wood was used if at all. Also, Cabernet Sauvignon is the absolute worst variety to drink on it's own, its way too strong and complex, specially if it is a young Cab like that 120 Santa Rita bottle.

In that case these "wine experts" aren't experts, they're just snobs. An expert who actually knows a thing or two about wine would definitely try to challenge himself by tasting a wine he knows nothing about.

You're wrong my friend. I also live in France and I also already bought wine from the producteur...pomerol for 150euro per 32 l. I wasn't really pleased but it's a awesome wine for the price. Nowdays a lot of wine tastings are done blind...because the experts are aware of this problem. Also I think you oversimplified the subject here. Of course there are myriads of cheap and good wine's especially in France. Here you have a good choice of quality and variety but that doesn't mean that cheap wine is better than expensive one. It also depends on the ways the wine is produced. I think you agree that a wine for which the grapes are selected by Hand willbe more expensive than a wine made by a cooperative Wich doesn't really care Mitch for the quality and has maybe really low benchmarks for their wine's. I tried lots of different wi es and I tend to buy wine around 10 euros a bottle depending on the appellation because it's easier to get something really good like this. You think you dring good wine there for 1.25...good for you but there are different tastes and different desires. A votre santé !

Hahaha, got me laughing. thanks, man.

My guests actually drink wine so that's not going to work. Maybe you should stop hanging out with kids from community college.

Never take drinking advice from people originating north of the 50-th parallel. Ever. There is a reason the nordic countries have strict alcohol control rules....

Grape Kool-Aid, please. Wine is made of grapes din dummhuve.

Pakanahymni *ditt dumhuvud

Hajhahahah spot on!

That’s how it is everywhere in the world but everyone likes to point their finger at americans

@@xammeron3842 Nope, it's not. In Europe you have brands and grapes that have a tradition and the wine is made in specific regions and it has been like this since before the United States even existed as a country.

Ok I’m European but you need self awareness, what you’re essentially saying is that Americans attribute intangible factors with the quality of wine, I.e. marketing and price might make you think the wine is better but doesn’t affect the taste. Fun fact neither does the tradition or history of a vineyard, those are also just factors like price which you attribute with the quality of wine but which don’t improve the taste. Your stance is hypocritical, lacks self awareness and worse yet reeks of this strange form of elitism where your intangible factors are somehow better which, given you make fun of the price of the wines listed and the fact it doesn’t affect the quality ( which in and of itself is an kind of snobbery amongst wine drinkers) makes your whole argument pretty unaware.

@@GusStat The Japanese have the word shokunin to name a person who dedicates their life to master one craft, like making sushi for instance, and this person usually learns from his father who learned from his father, and so on and so on. So tradition does matter if you are aiming to do something sophisticated and sublime. There are people in this world called sommelier who studied for years to learn one thing: to taste and evaluate wines. Which basically means that you are saying that these people don't have a reason to exist. The reason some wines are more expensive than others has to do with the quality of the grape, the time it takes to make it as some wines need to rest more than others, and how many bottles of that wine were made, which makes them more exclusive. Then how exquisite and unique the taste is compared with other wines in the same year or from the year before. Some people are more sophisticated than others when it comes to wine. Some people are sophisticated in the car they choose to drive, others on clothes, others on films, others on music. So when someone comes and just says that it is all the same thing and price doesn't mean anything, I wonder if they would apply the same logic to the car they drive, our the clothes they wear, or the concerts they choose to go, or the food they eat, as it is all the same thing.

+Lee Kazuya Thats what jesus did.

+Arlheen Rodriguez hey if it's good enough for jesus, its good enough for me.

+Lee Kazuya You can get a box of cheap shit by the gallon for like $5

I pretend my wife's a supermodel. Really increases the enjoyment.

I pretend that your wife's supermodel too.

Absolutely correct !

What drink makes you blind? You must be a very weak person.

blind?

It's from a time during prohibition and backyard distilling when there would be wood alcohol going around. It'd make you blind.

I brew my own moonshine, wine, mead and beer and i can still see 😛

TRUEEE

Only they dont copy/paste or steal their information from reddit, imgur and other original creator from various sites

Who do you mean by "they", Vox or BuzzFeed?

Vox. Obviously.

Or it isn't full of whale feminist

It's [Vox] very entertaining without going so far as tabloid journalism. Personally I'm a really big fan of their production value.

Saw the same comment with 2k likes

I'm posh I'm really vexed that thi peasent ay cheap wine in better

Sounds like the Côtes du Rhône scam haha

That was literally a plot point in a manga I read. Someone broke a really rare and expensive wine that was reserved for an important customer so they had to find a replacement. They ended finding something from the same vineyard but way cheaper and tasted almost exactly the same. The story is Drops of God and it makes a point to highlight cheap wine that rivals the most expensive wines.

@@madmalkavian3857 sauce?

Perfect 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

That's not the point of the video. When even professional tasters are unable to consistently rate wines, it's not just a matter of being interested in a hobby. If you want to compare two engines, it's easy to look up horsepower and fuel consumption and make a choice, and a professional driver will always be able to tell you that a Ferrari performs better than a Fiat Panda.

Try to put two fanboys discussing wich is The Best car: Ferrari, Pagani, Bugatti. It is beyond The numbers. We are in subjective territory. Wine is At that territory as well. And it is ok.

@@leonardoaraujo8364 you keep missing the point though. These supercars are more or less in the same price category. If expert drivers couldn't tell the difference between a VW golf and a bugatti Veyron that would be embarrassing

I agree. So, do your own blind testing and choose The Best Wine for you. The everyday one. Wine is very subjective. And only go for the expensive ones if you learned enought about Wine in general. Lots of People (and some "specialists") dont know enought.

Don’t bother. Most people on this video have no clue what they are talking about and you won’t convince them. There is a very appreciable improvement in wine quality up until around 50 dollars. That being said I know $12 bottles that easily could be sold for 3-5x that quality wise and hundred plus dollar bottles that should cost a quarter of their price.

aren't you a ray of sunshine

Randy Adiwiguna I assume you mean that I shine light on what is there for everyone to see. Yes, I am. Thanks.

it's pretentious. but it's not full of crap.

tc88888888 That is quite the distinction.

so true man... so true

+Norm Kid Budweiser is piss.

+Dan The Doge Pisswaser, amirite?

Leonell Valderama damn straight.

+Norm Kid I'm more of a champagne guy myself, hence my affinity for Miller High Life

+Norm Kid Heineken!

And how much exactly is `moderate price` ?

i’ve found that price point to be at about $20 a bottle

Well, you're Texan...

Raúl Bátiz No, I'm not. But what does that have to do with it?

Unless it is offered to me for free

I guess you must really hate New York strip steaks and only like hamburgers because you're disgusted by the price of a steak?

Also your expectations going up.

Empire of Truth obviously not intelligent enough for the word palate.

You do know that you can die of injecting too much of fluids except for your own blood directly into your veins?

Salem Baron He takes out some of his blood, mixes it with alcohol and then injects his blood back into his veins.

Ayin Is EasilyAmused Amused the is always one that feels the need, this time it's Ayin. zzzzzzzzzz

Ken m is that you ?

Movie critics often align with the general public though

I feel like wine critics also have the same taste as the general public. I've seen one guy who is very honest about his wine choices and how he'd like to drink these very cheap wines and even give them to his guests because they possessed good qualities. The thing is, it's probably a thing for the critics to sort of pretend to have a richer taste. And in order to get the job you'll probably need to bluff a little bit. You don't want the high end wine companies being told their wine is awful when they have a long history of being the greatest in the world for it. But this is my opinion. You can never know fully well enough

just what I was thinking

for the record french scientists have also published similar studies.

Some of america has great vineyards, cali wine is usually just export garbage unless you live in cali. Where I live there are some great grapes but cabernet doesnt grow here.

I started to write the same comment lol

@@damienhoffmann24 LOL!

believe me, not everyone knows this, you'd be surprised by how many people like pretending that they aren't being fooled and manipulated into loving certain things and hating others.

Incorrect. Most people automatically associate the price of a wine with how good it is going to be, which is not always the case. There is a wine that will serve different pallets. People should go with what they like instead of "developing" their pallet with regard to something that is subjective. Some like box wine, great. Others want that $100 French wine, also great. In the end, isn't the point to enjoy what one is drinking?

What about their study that showed that "experts" didn't agree each other or even themselves?

Experts don't agree on art, movies, books, cars or pretty much anything so wine would be no different. An expert is really just someone who gets paid to talk about their taste (with regard to subjective mediums).

Or themselves. Wine critics don't agree with their own reviews if they doing blind tastings.

Ah, but it was pointed out in the vid that "experts" had been given a blind taste test were given the same wine three times and make different judgments on each

Blind tasting is also way more fun!!!!

Doesn't even have to be alcoholic, any other way is clownery

@@judyjohnson9610 there are simple explanation to this. When you're smelling something your brain bypass informations that it already knows. It's a survival mechanism. You don't need to smell everything but only what is new. For example: you have to taste 3 glasses of the same wine, in the first one you smell wood, in the second one banana and in the third one chocolate. Your brain in the third glass always smell banana and wood, but your mind bypass the first and second aroma for the third one. And also you're trick by the experiment to think they are different and you subconsciously assuming that they are. Only a triple blind could be useful, this experiment is not a valid one.

@@internautapopo2766 there have been a lot of variations on this experiment. I am sure there is one out there.

I don't know if my "method" for picking wines has any legs (hard har) but first I pick the style and then I read bottles. I don't do mixed wines, only single source because I want to taste a vinyard. And then it comes down description. If it describes nuances then I might give it a try but if it describes a happy party or something else that's all fun and jazzy then it goes back on the shelf.

By mixed wines do you mean blends?

Yes, oops.

A lot of the old world wines are blends. French wine is rarely a single grape wine as they view wine as a dish with a recipe - 2 parts this, one part that etc... However, there they're required to tell you what is in it. It seems when you get a blend here it's because they took the grapes that were left over and dumped them in the vat and unless the grape comprises over 50% of the wine you don't have to tell what it is.

Interesting . . .

Isn't that why cheapo beers exist? Hell, if you just wanna get drunk even vodka would probably be a better choice. It's certainly got liquid courage in it than wine does.

Just toss a shot of cheap vodka in your cheap wine. It won't taste any worse than it already does, but it'll get you drunk twice as fast.

chilean here, we only drink for taste we hate wine drunkness

Who drink wine to get drunk? With the average being 9-15% alcohol by volume, that would take a lot of wine...

Raze Then you've never drunken wine before

Exactly

the people in the video and here in the comments have probably never tried bottles above $30 lol

I get what you are on. But I only acquired that kind of taste, when I made one personally.

What's the name please

@@furrycircuitry2378 Penfolds Cabernet Sauvignon & One Road Shiraz

Daniel Reinhardt Chile and Argentine Wine has invaded this world, we need anti dumping duty on them.

Weeena coshino qloo jajajaja

So jealous!

@@stefanreckmann6072 wena ql

In Brazil all cheap wines are sweeten with table sugar what makes than taste like some candy and not like wine,cheap wine from Chile is my only option

Even some $6 wines from Baja beat any wine from the US.

Had cheap wine in Macedonia. Next is cheap wine in Spain!

Very true.

***** Cite your source.

Canadian wines are great. I haven't tried American wines. I have drunk plenty of wine in Switzerland, France, and wines from South America, Australia, etc. There is no clear difference between them and Canadian wine.

still for stupid ppl.

Ecotono irrelevante yet here you are. I never understood that logic.

Ever stepped casually on mud?

And then rummaged around underneath the mud like you did? No.

yup

+Alex Golembeski They do it in restaurants all the time.

+Arlheen Rodriguez not in good restaurants

+Alex Golembeski The problem is people don't want to learn about wine. I'm not educated about win so I don't want to comment but I know many people who work in the beer and coffee comunity and there are difference in tastes. The problem is some expensive products are crap and expensive only by positioning which makes people generalize and think the high quality product doesn't exist or it shouldn't cost more (though usually the super expensive stuff is idiotic with some notable exceptions )

+Alex Golembeski if they have a trained palad they will tell the difference, but that doesn't mean it tastes better, they just have an adquired and trained teste.

lol True.

Joгdап Йохансон Nope, I'm german.

Lewisking50 same shit you never drank a glass of normal wine

Joгdап Йохансон I did on multiple occasions, always tasted like crap.

true i always say it tastes like rotten grapes (which it technically is)!! never understood why people drink it. and yes i have drunk super cheap and super expensive wines both taste horrible!!

Possibly different ways of using them as well.

Hold up you don't drink how are you still alive???

As You Were Reading My Very Long Username I Stole Your Sandwich Infinitely worse, surely.

What is a Starbucks hipster even? A hipster that has common taste? Are you just choosing random words and putting them on KZfaq comment sections?

***** Except they don't. They fact that these "experts" can't even consistently award a wine the same medal shows they are just a bunch of frauds.

***** You must go to the Starbucks Gas Station... Dude, what happened? Did the barista steal your GF?

Btw, AYWRMVLUISYS, I like your username very much.

Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well.

I think this is mainly because it's not part of their culture. Where I'm from people tend to buy expensive wine in relation to its rarity, any links to our family roots or just as souvenirs from places that have a history background related to the wine. Otherwise you could just pick a random cheap one.

taste is not effected by the lead or other similar metals contams that are plenty in the cheap bottles.

What is this comment even supposed to mean? The U.S. is one of the most significant wine producing nations in the world. Typical snobbery.

Though I agree on merlot 😂

@@Sogeking995 Quantity, and quality are two different things. The U.S. may produce vast quantities of wine, making it a significant producing country, but I can assure you, where quality is concerned, it's lacking a great deal. France, Italy, Spain, Argentina, Germany all produce far superior wines than California, and those facts have nothing to do with snobbery.

lmao, I will always respect a Frasier fan

Well at least it's not about sherry

Reminds me that episode where Frasier tries to send Niles away to get a rare bottle of wine and he stops: "You know very well that in '82 there was a drought in Bourgogne... The locals dubbed it the year of the raisin!"

+Student Doctor Adam literally watching it right now lol

what show?

If it does- good wine

I take it this comes from personal experience. Could you tell me about which wines give you headaches? I'm a wine educator and I might be able to help. It might be that you're particularly sensitive to certain compounds or that you're simply improperly pairing the wines.

YES.. very important.

This has A LOT to do with the most common aditive in wine production (i'm involved in the industry here in Chile, South America), which are sulphites. They are widely used and there is a certain tren that the cheaper and younger the wine, the bigger the amount of sulphite it will have, since it is a pretty good preservative that helps keep this young wines stable. However, it is not a general rule that pricier wines will have less of it, but it is more likely, since they are stabilized by being in barrels for a long time. So about the headache, Sulphites are the answer, and if you want to avoid them, try a natural wine, which have none or very little. Salud!

bet you're real fun at parties huh

@@buticansingmanyanimesongs3020 a true party animal, even more it fueled by good cabernet sauvignon!

It's Vox ofcourse they are going to oversimplify the topic it is basically their business model

Finally a noteworthy comment!

spodermun Maybe when you get a job, you might be compelled to help someone with your experience.

I didn't catch any shuffling. When exactly did the narrator shift their body during the taping?

***** Having a voice panning around without any context is just bad production, I personally enjoy the taste of Vox films in general.

I wonder if they did two recordings because it seemed to jump between two specific locations based at the ends of paragraphs.

lol. so true

I got a $90 dollar bottle of Cabernet as a gift. It was very good, but not 9 times as good as the $10 Cabernet I usually buy.

I've had expensive Cabernet. It was great. It also spoiled very quickly which was a real shame, we would have drank more the first night had we known. But for wine I will drink by myself, it's hard to justify more than $15 a bottle. If I want a fancy drink I'd rather have some good whiskey.

Except the Australians

True, I've tasted different cabernet sauvignons from different bottles in Australia and different regions, some from Barrosa and some from Coonawarra. The best one I've had is from Coonawara. And the Coonawara one is a bit more expensive

all kinds of things. given the same volume of juice/tannin from a particular vineyard (basically crush up all the grapes/skins) and split them between x winemakers, you will have x different wines. things like yeast strains, fermentation temperature control, fermentation time, fermentation vessel, aging (barrel vs tank vs "bucket) not to mention fermentation nutrient additions, aeration to name a few. there are so many variables in wine to set one apart from the other.

lol Volvo and Ferrari don't even drive the same dude.

ProTurboX Duh, that is my point. Moron.

Ferraris aren't made of Steel lol

Kaisuke971 Ferrari do have steel in them, and older Ferraris were made of steel and you must be fun at parties. Go bore someone else with your concrete thinking...

Actually it's a testable thing. But go ahead and brag about being ignorant.

You're the one making personal attacks. In your world, any knowledge = bragging. Let me guess, Trump voter?

i have had wines that i have tasted on different day's that tastes different. as i let it breath it opens up amazingly. for instance the first time i tried what is now my favorite wine COS Nero di Lupu 2014 i hated it. when i tried it again the next day it was amazing. the same thing happened with a 2012 Cannonau that i had i went from no taste to amazing aromas leather and spice in a 20 hour period.

The glass-shape even has an effect on Single Malt. I have a variety of 8 nosing-glasses and each one delivers it's own aroma. Some oppress a certain aroma, another one amplifies it. The problem is that regarding the video and this comment-section, you mainly deal with Americans. They are used to food that almost explodes from the tons of sugar and salt in them, if I were to ask a person on this planet about taste, the Americans would be at the very bottom of the list of candidates.

Roddy Yang Way to go... Your math-brain actually failed you to even grasp the meaning behind our conversation, what right do you have to judge my perception of the whole video, based on a discussion about how the form of glasses change aroma and tastes of liquids? You enter a discussion without knowing what the people ar talking about only to accuse them that *they* don't know what they are talking about? I can't even take you seriously right now. I got the point of the video fairly well. It was a video that was biased from the beginning through to the end. They try to make the argument that "the grape" is the only thing that matters in the manufacturing of wine, they set up a wine-tasting with people that never in their life experience wine before, served in mediocre plastic-cups that are laughable at best, to achieve nothing in the end, because they showed 0 results of what actually came around in their little non-representative "test" that nobody in the world asked for. Only to fill up the rest of the video with facts like "Americans get influenced by movies like madmen" and "Experts have different tastes like everyone else on this planet". Only to come to the conclusion that "If you have no clue about wine at all, you won't taste a difference in price of wine", backing that up with flawed graphs that actually showed nothing. They even debunked their own video by saying "People that actually learned about wine, were able to distinguish and appreciate wine of the higher price-segment. Since I know these facts, this video was just an empty shell, used as clickbait to generate money and yielded no actual value for anyone on this planet. And now you can come and explain the part that "I didn't get". Didn't get the "statistics"? Didn't get the "maths"? Here in Germany we say "Never trust a statistic that starts with 'American scientists found out...'." And now you should invest some time into learning what "manners" are and what "reading others posts and understanding them before opening your foul American mouth to shout garbage at them" means.

Thank you very much for this comment. You put it exactly as I wanted too. It's sad that most people won't see this comment and think all expensive wine is bad.

patrickhadley No, you train yourselves to think the wine is better. "Beginners" don't care, they just want to drink some wine, so they're able to enjoy it regardless.

This video is, however, geared towards "beginner" wine drinkers. To an expert it might make a difference but to most, no. Though I do agree they should've been a bit more thorough but we are talking about Vox here so not much can be expected.

Objectively, you have to take into account the absolute fact that even so-called "true experts" can't agree on wine quality, giving cheap wine glowing reviews, while often denigrating the "good stuff" in a blind test (see the link elsewhere in this thread). Wine is like perfume. Both can be expensive to develop, but benefit the most from effective marketing and packaging. Give it the illusion of quality and you can command a higher price. Drink what you like. Nothing else matters.

It's like OP didn't even watch the video. It was proven that even the "experts" were completely inconsistent - even when given the same wine twice.

And to salve their insecurities.

A perception of bad taste? XD

Not exactly. It more so depends on why they’re buying it. Some people just like to buy things because they understand the quality of the material, labor and overall product.

You sound one of those "perceptions to maintain". There is a thumb rule if you are paying up to 2X of the regular price, you are going for a better thing. But if you are paying 10X of the regular price for a material, you are either being fooled or have too much money to worry about counting. And I don't the second type of people watches Vox on youtube.

+justforthetv, or they THINK they "understand the quality of the material, labor and overall product", when often (not always) it's an illusion. A good NY strip steak or filet mignon is an example of true quality. But we're allowed to enjoy a burger made from ground round also. Of course both can be ruined by poor treatment. Buy what you like.

its a comedy show

That's pretty awesome; Retirement sure sounds great about now. Well wishes sir :)

THAT expensive compared to more Expensive wines

Yeah try getting a good rated bordeaux for anywhere Close to $42 lol.

it actually is rather cheap

$42 is pretty pricey compared to what you can get in other forms of alcoholic beverages. A 750ml bottle of 14% wine has the same "bang for buck" as a $120 fifth of whiskey! Nobody would call such whiskey "cheap"... Wine is a lousy value in that GOOD wine is more expensive than similarly good spirits or beer, and REALLY CHEAP wine (i.e. "bum wines" like Mad Dog and Wild Irish Rose) are positively horrific! (Think "grape Kool-Aid and rubbing alcohol cocktail.") They also give the worst hangovers known to man.

it is expensive source: am chilean

+edgardo bassi you are dumb

Chris Hyde Mediterranean countries drank wine for thousands and thousands of years. And now we have to learn to drink from Americans who started a hundred year ago?

+edgardo bassi idgaf how you think ppl should drink wine. We drink however we want, you apertfuck!

Chris Hyde Do You know what Culture is? I will never argue with You about beer drinking. I like beer but beside that I know nothing about beer. By the way, what time is it in Washington state, is not too early?

So I know what wine is and I have to listen idiocy and be quiet?Centila

+Martin Godinez Rubbish. I've used both and every time I go back to a PC they're always crashing and slow. It annoys the hell out of me. Sure, they are better for gaming-if they're set up right-and they are far more modifiable. But I don't need that. I'm not a gammer or computer nerd, so I don't need all that. Macs just work, almost all the fucking time. They rarely crash, they are far more user friendly. Also, they last far longer. I've had a MacBook that's going on 6 years. It's slowed a little bit, but that's probably just because of the fuller hard drive. I've had an iMac that is going on four years. They don't need anything other than basic maintenance and they still work. I can't remember the last time I saw a PC last that long. Either the software ends up the shit, or the various hardware components crap out. Yes I realise that all that requires a bit more diligence in looking after it, but like I said, I'm not a computer nerd-I don't know EVERYTHING, so I just need it to work. I'm very adept with using computers, as I've done it my whole life, but it's not my job so I don't know all the intricacies about them. Just like I know basic car maintenance but I don't know them in and out. I'm not a car mechanic. Trust me, if Apple sold really shit products they'd be out of business now because the millions of people who use them, even professionals, would have outted them by now.

+1bgrant LPease don't tell me that Apple never slows down. Even when I updated my iphone it made it slow and buggy. Iv worked with "professional" graphic designers and after 2 years the computers got slow and some had problems like hard drive failure. jeez Apples hardware is made by every other company in the world that makes PCs,so the hardware is nothing special. They even stole the CPU architect for the iphone. I admit, Apple is perfect for computer illiterates and the rich that have no time. But for the ones that know how to reinstall widows OS, The know very well that it will remove all the bloatware and have a fast computer for years to come. I love all OS,widows mac and Android.. But Apple is a ripoff.

+Martin Godinez Um, well I buy Android, Mac, Windows and Linux products but I tend to favor Apple products because they are RELIABLE.

+1bgrant Im typing this to you on a MacBook air, with an iPhone 6 on it's left and an iPad 2 on it's right: People usually say Macs are better than PCs in general because they have never used a PC which was as expansive as their Mac. And so the pleasantry of using a Mac mostly comes from using a high end computer, upsides which would come from a similar and similarly priced PC. Keep in mind, I'm not saying Macs aren't great - they are my personal favorite, just that Apple doesn't put fairy dust in every CPU, Macs aren't magic. Just your run-of-the mill premium PC. PS If you own and still use an old MacBook, a great cheap way to extremely increase it's speed is switching it's HDD with a shiny new SSD - would improve any kind of loading time, restart duration and the time it takes it to wake from sleep dramatically. If you're lucky, you might even be able to switch the now rarely used optical drive with another SSD/HDD for extra storage.

Sorry you're a broke ass hobo who decides not to get a job

How different could the complexities really be when professional blind taste testers can’t taste the difference?