Experimental Character Showcase

Experimental Character Showcase - Vizier

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Жыл бұрын

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Storytellers for this game: Ben & Edd
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Intro visuals created by Jon from Luke & Dad Productions / @vfx_jon
Intro music - Private Reflection by Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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--CHAPTERS--
0:00:20 - Character intro and setup
0:09:35 - Night 1
0:17:20 - Day 1
0:33:18 - Night 2
0:38:15 - Day 2
0:43:12 - Night 1 (Again)
0:48:07 - Day 1
0:58:50 - Night 2
1:05:51 - Day 2
1:12:53 - Night 3
1:19:14 - Day 3
1:31:05 - Night 4
1:35:39 - Day 4
1:43:50 - Night 5
1:49:25 - Day 5

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@AintNoRobutt Жыл бұрын

Can’t wait for a vizier, poppy grower, lunatic game. Having two demons both trying to convince a Vizier they’re the real demon sounds really fun.

@TheRealPentigan Жыл бұрын

Three if the poppy grower realizes this is an excellent opportunity to knowingly fake demon!

@nathano6277 Жыл бұрын

I feel like there would be so many jinx' with the Vizier. I think it's a natural fit that town doesn't learn who you are if there is a poppy grower in play. I feel like it doesn't play well with Alchemist either which is a shame because all I want to see is a good aligned Vizier.

@calembourman2295 Жыл бұрын

+ magician ?

@Ruminations09 11 ай бұрын

@nathano6277 Poppy Grower doesn't need a jinx, Vizier already works well with Poppy Grower. Yes, the evil players will just out to the Vizier... but so will good players. The Vizier is a known evil, the entire good team is actively incentivised to try to trick them. As for the Alchemist, there is a jinx, and it's quite a simple one. If the Alchemsit has the Vizier ability, then they cannot push through a vote unless at least 3 players vote on it.

@SharienGaming 9 ай бұрын

i kinda want to see a vizier+atheist game if the atheist is in the game it would probably be very interesting to tell everyone the atheist is the vizier XD PS: and vice versa, if the vizier is in play, they can absolutely try to convince people that they are actually the atheist^^

@Klondike1000 11 ай бұрын

I just have to say that Ben is the best ST in this group. No shade to the other story tellers, but I love Ben's setup. It is easy to see, easy to follow, and I love the commentary, great job! I love the explanations of why you do what you do and how the rules work.

@BloodontheClocktower 11 ай бұрын

Thanks! I try to keep the audience clued in as best I can. - Ben

@metaderivative8305 Жыл бұрын

Shout out to Daddy Ben for catching himself making an assumption at the beginning explanation and then verbally recognizing that playing a social deduction game with strangers and/or online is more stressful for some players than others. A great example of what it looks like to monitor one's privilege, and not surprising for the makers of game that included so many thoughtful, official accessibility and equity options (the Fabled).

@hillrp1 Жыл бұрын

Great timing. I just finished a Patters video where I was introduced to the Vizier

@LucielLover Жыл бұрын

I love seeing the roles be in Patter’s video first then to be in BOTC’s

@chizmw Жыл бұрын

I'm still shocked every time I hear Chiz mentioned. I've gotten so complacent about having such an unusual name I still can't quite believe there's another Chiz out in the wild

@segevstormlord3713 27 күн бұрын

"Who would talk to the Vizier for mechanical reasons?" The Vizier is known evil. It's known that he probably is going to be in on something with the evil team. And even if _you_ won't talk with him, that just means he has the power to _stop_ you from talking to others by...showing up.

@verdiss7487 Жыл бұрын

Innkeeper + Vizier seems like a pretty unpleasant interaction. The vizier is outed evil, and their impact on the game is very visible and their drunkeness is easy to test. Other outed evil is either hard to test for drunkeness, or is the demon itself. This allows the innkeeper to use them as a control for testing potentially demon players. I'd definitely avoid putting the two on the same script after seeing this work out.

@TheLastSane1 Жыл бұрын

Yeah that nerfs Vizier into the ground hard. But only in a game with the AL. So its more that the AL is such a weak demon and my second or third least favorite. Im not partial to Legion or riot either but those are much stronger than the AL. Really if this had been any other demon the Innkeeper is dead night 2 and no issues arise.

@meathir4921 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLastSane1Yeah. Al Hadikia is tons of fun, but is basically “what if the Good team decided when you could Po charge?”

@verdiss7487 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLastSane1 I agree that al-had made the situation worse by making it impossible to conceal a potential drunk demon. Even if it were another demon type though, the innkeeper could still act as a pseudo-exorcist with lifesaving powers. There would be more potential uncertainty, but the strategy would still work quite well.

@EdsonR13 Жыл бұрын

Well if Ben had drunk the vizier instead of the marionette on the previous night they wouldn't have been able to check for Demon the next night, the more the players try these little tricks the more the storytellers will be able to use these tricks against them. Putting things on scripts together to see how they break is more interesting than not putting them together because they *might* break

@TheLastSane1 Жыл бұрын

@@verdiss7487 For a lot less time. Most roles were just playing outed with an AL since they can just choose not to die. Hell in the first gme I was confused the barber chose to live when making a swap so early in a game is much less damaging than later.

@Ruminations09 Жыл бұрын

Vizier has very quickly become one of my favorite minions in the whole game. I am eager for the day I draw that token from the bag. I like Organ Grinder - it creates an interesting new dynamic to the game - but I need to be in a particular mood for an Organ Grinder game. However, I'm always down to play with a Vizier.

@Dragonatrix 11 ай бұрын

I've only been in one Vizier game so far and I was the Vizier and it is genuinely, unironically the most fun I have had in the game so far. This part is a bit more group specific but people kept inviting me to chat thinking that no one else would do it, so it didn't even do the thing you think it would do and just have you frozen out beyond nomination/execution stuff.

@raymanta5671 Жыл бұрын

An Al-Hadikhia game? It’s been 84 years… And I couldn’t be happier!

@savo6070 Жыл бұрын

Now all we need is a Po game

@ChristopherFawbert 6 күн бұрын

Love that in effect JoJo got revenge on losing as Vizier so quickly in first game by single-handedly taking out the Vizier in the second game..

@aleafinthewind52 Жыл бұрын

At this point, it's got to be visier, OG, fearmonger and psychopath for The Tomb minions. They all have public abilities that affect executions and kills.

@23Zakira Жыл бұрын

I dunno how vizier and fearmonger can play together because they could just win every time.

@alejoblack368 Жыл бұрын

Vizier and Fearmonger are currently jinxed, there are unlikely to be jinxed characters on a script together

@katherinek6166 11 ай бұрын

Clockmaker count of 3 is not that unlikely. In a game of 12 it's a 20% chance, so players shouldn't treat it as, "Oh, I'm poisoned or the marionette." However, while it looks really bad when looking at grimoire, from player perspective, it's not that damning. Given the correct clockmaker count of 3, 3/7 odds that Vizier is sitting 4-6 from demon, meaning you can't act on this info immediately. So IF the clockmaker is not evil, and IF the clockmaker is not poisoned, THEN there is a 4/7 chance that one of TWO players is the demon... It's the sort of info you save for later, to cross-reference with info on the next few nights, not start to execute the two players 3 away from Vizier on day one.

@damhnaitcockburn2970 Жыл бұрын

EDDDDDDDDD!!!! I have missed your participation so much. Come back more often!

@HeraldOfPursuits Жыл бұрын

Oooo only gotten to the explanation but I love the Vizier already

@MelodiCat753 Жыл бұрын

This video was extremely fun! I do think this script needs more work, as it heavily favors good imo. The Baron can lead to more outsiders, and the outsiders all don't really mind dying too much, which nerfs the Al-Hadikhia heavily. Additionally, there's too many powerful roles in town.

@daniellevitz5259 Жыл бұрын

A Vizier script, with a saint, evil twin, and a goblin?!??! what madman proposed that insanity?!?!

@whocares2277 10 ай бұрын

"If you vote on any nomination, the evil team wins."

@kirstenlunde Жыл бұрын

This didn't feel like it showcased playing the Vizier but only the impact that character has on the game, potentially at the expense of the player. There were almost no times we saw the Vizier talking with anyone. Would be interested to hear how Aggie felt.

@alejoblack368 Жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this...

@deathgodfire Жыл бұрын

I didn't see anything

@Derg4 Жыл бұрын

I like how you're like "nobody saw that right?" and then they put it on KZfaq lol

@Clapham37 Жыл бұрын

I loved the play. Hope you try it again at some point!

@saltyfrost6836 Жыл бұрын

the vizier sounds so fun, very excited!

@eddielikesfish7114 Жыл бұрын

the first time i ran an al-had game the demon consistently picked themself and it was so nerve wracking for me and my co-ST (they lived each time)

@themoderatelysadpanda461 Жыл бұрын

Ben can you please run this script on NRB? Tom hamming up the Al-Hadikhia announcements, Laurie or Adam playing a vizier, Sully being a Marionette, it writes itself!

@JacobAsmuth-jw8uc Жыл бұрын

The players will meta read that instantly. Won't work.

@heylolp9 11 ай бұрын

@@JacobAsmuth-jw8ucthere is a special fabled character in the Gardener that is to be added whenever the ST hands out tokens and not actually hand them out manually Naturally you don't *have* to but i can't see not putting in the extra fabled to actually explain that it *could* be meta'd

@masterjbt Жыл бұрын

was wondering if it was gonna show the rerack or just the original

@scrungozeclown836 Жыл бұрын

I just realized - is the door-knocker demon at the beginning of each video modelled after Mr. Benjamin Burns?

@hyperswag506 10 ай бұрын

The Twisted reference was great

@AlexH274 Жыл бұрын

High risk, high reward play. Clockmaker is Too strong with a day 1 outed evil. Not much of a chance for Alejo to win.

@darbyl3872 Жыл бұрын

So, a Pixie who sees Choirboy means that the Choirboy can't be the Mario (at least IRL, with only one of each token available.) I don't think you can show the Pixie a Mario's false token. I'm not sure why Adam suspects JC as Mario, unless he thinks he may not be the Pixie, but the Drunk or the Mario.

@culila Ай бұрын

I was confused wondering who the Mario is but then I realised it's-a-me

@AuraXars 10 ай бұрын

27:24 i wanna see the saint evil twin goblin game, esp if there is an alc on the script aswell

@skruffytiger2002 Жыл бұрын

In a spy game, you'd have to make sure that the spy's vote never counts as a good one, right? that's just unfair otherwise

@emisor9272 Жыл бұрын

It's still a player confirmed not to be the demon. Plus the innkeeper can choose both of them in that case and then execute the spy

@strawbunnyy Жыл бұрын

spoilers!! . LOL the first game… the noise i made upon learning everyone chose to live was raptor-like. it was a great gambit though …right?

@MalakaiSilverWolf Жыл бұрын

I mean I made a similar noise learning [spoiler] team won XD

@mathewellin4615 Жыл бұрын

Where abouts can we submit custom scripts? I've got a spicy vizier+vortox/lil' monsta brew for you where psychopaths sometimes go undercover as tea ladies to get themselves executed.

@gaymedievaldruid Жыл бұрын

Aggie! Your minion is Jojo- I wonder who they are- and your demon is Alejo- I wonder who they are-!

@metaderivative8305 Жыл бұрын

I assume there's a jinx between Lil' Monsta and the Vizier? Because a player that can't die in the day holding the baby seems unapproachable for good.

@Clapham37 Жыл бұрын

Probably the same as the goblin jinx.

@BloodontheClocktower Жыл бұрын

Yep, it's the same jinx. - Ben

@moritzlockmann5551 Жыл бұрын

So is there are Kickstarter coming soon with new stuff? Don't want to buy the Kickstarter Exclusive Characters for hundreds of dollars:(

@moth.03 10 ай бұрын

54:06 I think they both nailed it but I've never seen GoT

@sushimartyr6311 3 ай бұрын

I don’t know about the show, but based on the books, I *might* be tempted to say Choirboy would be more of a “probably not”- or even potentially a “maybe”- than a hard “no”. There are septs (religious buildings dedicated to the worship of the Seven- most common religion in Westeros), and I believe during the battle at the Blackwater or somewhere close-ish to that time, Sansa attends a service at one and they sing some kind of hymn dedicated to the Mother. So it’s completely plausible that choirs could exist and contain choirboys, though they might be called something slightly different. …then again in the context of a BotC game with my friends, I’d probably keep it simple and just say “no” as well, lol

@alchemicpink2392 4 ай бұрын

The marionette voting on their demon there is 100% the correct move, the only out was the double bluff.

@nathano6277 Жыл бұрын

Oh nice, an Alchemist buff.

@aleafinthewind52 Жыл бұрын

Is that the fact that baron and godfather's abilities work now? It's kinda a downside in my opinion.

@nathano6277 Жыл бұрын

@@aleafinthewind52 Nah, I was just thinking of how great it's going be to see an Alchemist=Vizier

@yigitacar1337 Жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm not sure if this is mentioned on the stream but how do the poisoner and vizier work together? Because if the poisoner poisons vizier on night one, vizier is not announced publicly right? And then even if the poisoner doesn't poison the vizier from night 2 on and the announcement is made there, vizier will have spent a day learning roles of good players.

@BloodontheClocktower Жыл бұрын

Yes, that's exactly how it would work. - Ben

@kinotherapy Жыл бұрын

seems fair, you've got both minions giving up their powers for day in exchange for just having standard info-gathering ability. And once the poisoner does switch to a different target then the good team will immediately know that there's both a vizier and a poisoner in play (barring other explanations like pit-hag or sailor) there's also no way to actually know whether or not your fellow minion is a vizier until day 1 starts - you could be poisoning a witch or a spy

@yigitacar1337 Жыл бұрын

@@kinotherapy yeah you're right actually. at first I thought it'd be quite advantegous for the evil team to have that combo but there's still the trade-off as you explained.

@likky1 Жыл бұрын

@@BloodontheClocktower but on day 2 the story teller would still ask the vizier to decide if people die or not right?

@Moleoflands Жыл бұрын

@@likky1 They have no effect on the Game, so the storyteller won't reveal them at the start, and also doesn't have to defer to them after every nomination either. Ben did when they were drunk.because they had already announced them as Vizier and if they didn't, they confirm them as drunk

@darthjarjarbinkstherealsit6832 11 ай бұрын

What about a legion game with a poppy grower

@kamikazegargoyle 10 ай бұрын

my favourite player is Chiz

@TheGamblingisgood Жыл бұрын

So cool to see the one game in a video! We can all agree tyat exactly one gane happened here. Only one.

@ThatOnePurpleFox Жыл бұрын

Shouldn't Adam have learned that he had the choir boy ability as they said he didn't break as he did claim. Cause he learns the second the player is dead so the drunk wouldn't stop that info if I'm correct?

@peterdrew4098 Жыл бұрын

Pixies don't learn when they get their ability (or it would confirm people), they only learn if/when they have a chance to use it.

@UnorganisedBookshelf Жыл бұрын

I really wish they'd change that intro bit, the fire crackling and the high pitched noise always hurts my ears at the beginning. Massive sensory overload :(

@JacobAsmuth-jw8uc Жыл бұрын

Shade malding at 1:43:43 about executing the vizier off a innkeeper demon/vizier drunk is so funny. First time playing BotCT maybe? Dude should watch the vids on this channel! Minion execute on 7 is very good :)

@michaelhalpin3814 Жыл бұрын

As a storyteller, should I be asking the vizier to make a choice? I think it makes more sense to still not confirm the role, force the character to make an affirmative choice, especially on a script where a pit hag may have made a change from the vizier to something else.

@karlovisttimes8271 Жыл бұрын

It's good to not ask, just say at the beginning that you won't be prompting but you'll let them think for a second

@BloodontheClocktower Жыл бұрын

You can do it either way. They can always say "no" or say "yes" when they know it won't go through because they've changed character or whatever. - Ben

@BasketOfPuppies642 Жыл бұрын

I really wanna see a Vizier x Poppy Grower game.

@EdsonR13 Жыл бұрын

Half the players claiming evil to the vizier sounds interesting at the very least

@aleafinthewind52 Жыл бұрын

Hmm... Yeah

@SunniDae333 9 ай бұрын

Alejo, what lmao

@intrepidfool Жыл бұрын

Problematic script, imo. As Jojo clearly showed, the flaw is that the IK can just shut down the Viz and they can prove the demon since ST has no choice but to drunk the Viz if they are both selected. The AH has no way to directly kill the IK so that player can play fully outed. Mostly, I'm not a fan because, once the strategy is revealed, it is kind of boring and predictable. From the reaction of the players at the end, you can see that it was a rather lackluster game of BotC.