Experimenting with the Druids (Baldur's Gate 3)
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Күн бұрынAnswering the most important questions about the druids and tieflings in Baldur's Gate 3, like: what happens if you pick up Arabella's lifeless body and deliver her to her parents? What are the tiefling children up to during the druid attack? And, most importantly, what happens if you incite the druid attack, hide one member of your party inside the Grove, rescue Halsin, defeat the goblin leaders, and return mid-fight?
Discover the answers to all these questions and more in this episode of Baldur's Gate 3 Experiments!
00:00: Intro
00:28: Kagha's snake bites Arabella.
02:55: Attacking Kagha before she hurts Arabella.
03:34: Attacking Kagha's snake before she bites Arabella.
04:02: Attacking Arabella before Kagha.
04:40: Picking up Arabella's body and dropping it in front of her parents.
06:55: Telling Arabella's parents the sad truth.
08:26: Goblin Camp Fight Montage
09:28: Halsin confronts Kagha after learning about Arabella's fate.
10:55: Komira vs. Kagha Experiments
16:30: Protecting the tieflings from the druids.
20:05: Letting Zevlor perish in the druid attack.
21:47: Telling Halsin we killed the druids mid-rescue.
24:07: Attending the celebration party with the replacement NPCs.
25:16: Inciting the druid attack, leaving one party member hidden inside the Grove, and rescuing Halsin.
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@magister343 Ай бұрын
Apparently you can bring Arabella's corpse to Sovereign Glut and raise her as a spore servant who can attack anyone without entering turn based combat, allowing an unlimited number of attacks before anyone can fight back. She is also light enough to pick her up as an improvised weapon and carry with you as you fast travel out of the Underdark to let her fight all your battles for you without entering combat. I hear she can use elixirs of hill/cloud giant strength too.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Whaaaaaat?!?! That's wild lol, definitely gotta try this out for the meme
@magister343 Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup I haven't tried it myself, but I saw it in another video a couple days ago. The video claimed though that the game will not allow any children to enter turn based combat, and that this allowed spore servant Arabella to make attacks out of turn based mode even when your party and enemies are already in turn based combat. It might work with Doni, Mol, Mattis, Mirkon, or Silfy too. It wouldn't surprise me if that turns out to be a bug that has already been patched through.
@bungyss Ай бұрын
@@magister343 I don't think it works with most of the other tiefling children because they can't be killed in a way that leaves corpses (i.e. they die offscreen). Although I bet Mirkon's corpse can be collected from the harpy fight.
@sebyking1889 Ай бұрын
@@magister343you definitely can’t do it with the other kids, and the video is using ridiculous strategies in Bg3 by proximity chat technician I think
@maxp.2978 Ай бұрын
The glitch works and if you haven’t got the dream visitor cut scene yet you can even get her to act 2. She is even immune to the shadow curse so you can just make her drink a hill giant strength potion, (which last even through a long rest because spore servants can’t actually rest) make her pick up the everburn blade from the ground and literally beat every fight from act 1 and 2… I think you call that revenge
@kare880 Ай бұрын
Mattis judging you for hiding with the kids while everyone else is dying 😂😂 I love that kid
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Haha same, he's my favorite tiefling kid
@DurgetheXIII Ай бұрын
After Tav recruits Halsin and asks him what about the Grove after the party, normally Halsin will say he's going to summon Francesca from High Forest to look after it. However, if all the other druids were dead, there'd be some extra lines in this conversation. Tav would say sadly Francesca'll be the first and only druid. Halsin would respond that she can still tend to the grove at least and hopefully new druids will join. This game really amazes me. I've played for so many hours and still find something never seen in the next run. :>
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Oh wow, that's cool!! Thanks for letting me know - it's nice to know that the Grove will continue to go on, even without the old druids 💛 nature truly is healing
@magister343 Ай бұрын
I thought I killed all the druids in my last playthrough and I did not get that special dialogue. Maybe I missed a couple.
@elenalizabeth Ай бұрын
Wait how can you have a party with Halsin if all the Druids are dead? I thought if you kill them all then he is mad? Or is that only if you side with Minthara?
@DurgetheXIII Ай бұрын
@@elenalizabeth there are two different dialogue options when you face Halsin after you killed all the druids at the grove, one will make he mad and attack you and the other one won't. And of course, don't side with Minthara and don't lead her to slaughter all the refugees. That will definitely make him mad.
@KasumiRINA Ай бұрын
4:18 This is how Grove is coded: I had everyone attack me for throwing dead Priestess Gut in front of them, literally in front of the cage of that goblin they captured (Sazza), to mock her... they just see you messing with any body or character as hostile... yes, even those they want to kill themselves... Weird.
@magister343 Ай бұрын
Weird indeed. Reminds me of when my Paladin Wyll broke his oath by accidentally touching the door to Sazza's cage, long after the goblin had been killed and Astarion had unlocked it to see if there was anything on her corpse worth looting. I also had guards in the Grove attack me for the crime of killing others guards in the goblin camp.
@KasumiRINA Ай бұрын
@@magister343 I had to reload Oathbreaking for luring Minthara to attack the Grove, as the morality check is in Shattered Rectum not when you actually decided to help her or side with defenders (TBH destroying goblin army from the walls is MUCH easier, just put more barrels). Fixed it by standing in the next room, pressing G, and having Shadowruns disguised as drow do talk to Minthy instead. As great warriors of truthiness, benevolence and justice, we knocked her out and stole her clothes - only to get duplicate later.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Oh that's so interesting and makes sense why that happened now - I think it's hilarious that you decided to bring back Gut's body lol.
@bunnyboygamille Ай бұрын
You have to be insanely careful inside the Grove. I've had to live with consequences of my actions multiple times in this place.... because I'd forget to save for like 4 hours and invariably that's when my actions would cause the druids to aggro. This makes Karlach non-recruitable...
@magister343 10 күн бұрын
@@KasumiRINA Shattered Rectum? The first time I knocked out Minthara and stole her clothes she appeared completely naked during her trial with Ketheric Thorm. I think they changed that in patch 6.
@tonichan89 Ай бұрын
Halsin has nothing to say about coming back and finding the Grove sealed and the tieflings dead? Ok, damn. He's cold.
@bunnyboygamille Ай бұрын
He is a classic DnD True Neutral druid; you'll find he often overlooks stuff like this abs shrugs it off as "the natural order." Which is why my preference for druids in this game is Jaheira who dances on the line between true neutral and chaotic neutral.
@magister343 Ай бұрын
I usually save Arabella and then uncover Kagha's connection to the shadow druids before killing her. In my third playthrough, however, I decided to attack one of the shadow druids in rat form right after saving Arabella, before proving anything. That made the shadow druids hostile to the others druids and all the druids hostile to the tieflings. I managed to save one or two very minor tieflings from being massacred in prison, but everyone else in the grove died. This was before meeting Karlach. She blamed me for killing the tieflings, even though I had only attacked druids trying to save tieflings, so I was forced to kill her for Wyll/Mizora/Zariel/the "Paladins of Tyr."
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
That's so interesting that Karlach will get angry at you even though the druids were the ones who killed the tieflings! I have to go try that for fun. I actually did something similar to the shadow druid rats while I was testing out some experiments - but instead of aggroing they turned into their human forms and started sprinting manically away lol
@brendonmann3179 Ай бұрын
Can we not take the time to appreciate Halsin's voice actor for his angry scenes (confronting kagha and when you tell him you murdered all the druids)
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
I'm glad you said it, because it's so true! I shivered a bit when he said I deserved to be put down like a rabid dog
@alanturingstan Ай бұрын
I love your bg3 videos! I think Korrilla was teleporting away at 13:37 because she does that while trying to sneak into camp if you spot her
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww thank you so much! 💛 And haha good find - she's a sneaky one
@TheLalacream Ай бұрын
Wait korrilla appears at the camp!?
@frauerde5282 Ай бұрын
@@TheLalacream Yes, at the Tiefling party. When you talk to her in Akt 3 at the Sharess' Caress, she admits that she was spying on you the whole time. I always missed her in camp, but saw her once in the Shadow-Cursed Lands. I think it was at the masonry or another entrance to one of the buildings.
@TheLalacream Ай бұрын
@@frauerde5282 I've only encountered her at the masonry
@calliesummers1943 23 күн бұрын
@@TheLalacream I think you can see her at least 3 times before Act 3. Once if you're playing a non-fey-ancestry species and you drink Glut's sleeping potion, at the party, and in the shadow curse (I thought she was by the Tollhouse, but the Mason's guild is right there too, and makes more sense lore-wise given Raphael's history.)
@thyagomaestrelli Ай бұрын
Ok, here is a idea: Experiment with Lae'zel. Normally if you ignore Lae'zel you can find her up to the shadowfell, where she fell to the shadows. What if before that you give her a torch, or the blood of Lathander? Note: you may need to knock her unconscious to swap her weapon so she would need to use a torch or the blood of lathander as weapons and, by consequence, would not fell to the shadowfell
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Okay I love this idea!! Thank you for the suggestion. Definitely want to play around with this
@KasumiRINA Ай бұрын
10:30 Wow, Halsin going full DEUS VULT on her, shows that you CAN write religious zealots without making them bigots (all druids are priests, Halsin is like the only one who doesn't sound like a Televangelist closing their church doors in front of the refugees, literally). I wish for ONCE we get a Paladin or Cleric who calls out some fellow church members for they hypocrisy. Right now it's what MC does in these games (i.e. being deeply sus of Helmites in NWN or calling out Shadowheart being a poser).
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
I've never heard the term Deus Vult but definitely agree that Halsin is a great example of a character who is very passionate about his religion while actually seeming to honor those tenants! Most of the druids come off as quite hypocritical - I always disliked how they strive to protect nature, but somehow view tieflings and other humanoid species as separate from that
@KasumiRINA Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup Deus Vult is Latin for "God wills it", it was a crusader motto mostly used as a meme when roleplaying as Templars and the like. Religious leaders often being pharisees and hypocrites is kind of universal problem, even New Testament in the Bible is all bout it, and fiction stories roll with it. I liked the take Star Wars KOTOR (both 1 and 2) had on it, you can guess the most self-righteous characters in your party and around it are going to turn to the Dark side.
@emilyyang2229 Ай бұрын
no that would be a cleric of silvanus
@emilyyang2229 Ай бұрын
clerics an average followers arent the same. A televangelist would definitely be a cleric or chosen
@juvandy 19 күн бұрын
The epilogue with Halsin even refers to that concept of separation as a negative when he talks about finding balance. The game lays some breadcrumbs that Kagha was poisoned by the Shadow Druids, but at the orders of Ketheric Thorm (there are some letters between him and the Shadow Druids in moonrise). Basically, Kagha is with the Absolute, even though she doesn't know it. Likewise, the other Druids she has swayed are too. Rath is one of the few who stays true, because he knows it is wrong. Kagha plays on the xenophobia of all of the others to get her way, but even she does not realize just how evil her way will actually be.
@SomeUniqueHandle Ай бұрын
The death of Arabella triggering Kagha to kill the Tieflings makes sense. Either Kagha thinks you were trying to attack her and hit Arabella by mistake, or she thinks that you killed Arabella and were about to blame the death on her. If you were trying to kill her but missed, it would mean you'd sided with the Tieflings and this was the start of the Tieflings trying to take the grove as their own so it was time to kill them. If you were trying to instigate an all-out war between the Druids and the Tieflings, well, the best defense is a good offense. Kagha was looking for an excuse to get rid of the Tieflings, after all.
@ryancarlson9680 Ай бұрын
I never noticed that they do say corga. Now idk if I can ever again not think of corgis when I hear Kagha’s name
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Oh god I didn't have that association before your comment but now I too will be cursed/blessed to think of corgis
@edwin6791 Ай бұрын
It’s kah gah but with an accent. There isn’t in r in that sound when he says it
@edwin6791 Ай бұрын
Like kawguh
@Yacapo2 Ай бұрын
Some british accents (like a lot of characters in game) pronounce the a more like a long o sound, so to americans they think it has an r in it. It sounds like nails on a chalkboard when people pronounce a hard r. The r sound in american english is a vowel sound actually btw.
@chipsalom Ай бұрын
@@ryancarlson9680 ikr? It's especially weird because some of r voice actors pronounced it "Korga" simply because of their accent, but for some reason even the actors with different accents seemed to then mimic the same pronunciation, which is extra weird because voice actors don't generally record together. How that pronunciation became default across multiple actors' recording booths at different parts of the studio in different locations around the world is really interesting.
@lawrencefosterjenkins8216 Ай бұрын
I’m sorry but watching kagha take a sip of the wine AFTER komira asks her how it is will always make me laugh. For someone trying to protect the nest she sure doesn’t have a lot of survival instinct
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Haha truly - she talks tough, but wouldn't make it a day in the streets of Baldur's Gate
@amber61pop Ай бұрын
Would love to see this in combination with revealing Kagha as a shadow druid!!!!
@fara16 Ай бұрын
I’m obsessed w BG3 rn and I love the academic approach you take with your videos!
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww haha thank you!! That's so sweet of you to say 💛
@elliotomoto Ай бұрын
your bg3 content is my absolute favorite. thank you for taking your time and care with these videos.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww that makes me so happy, thank you 😊 💛
@gownerjones Ай бұрын
These are quickly becoming my favorite BG3 videos!
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww, that made my night, thank you 😊 ❤️
@KasumiRINA Ай бұрын
13:05 I managed to aggro the ENTIRE party, again, by simply throwing Gut's lifeless body around. Yes, tieflings care about sanctity of one of goblin leaders so much they will fight to the death if you so much as pickpocket their ENEMY's dead body... it's an oversight, goblins should not be coded as neutrals, but it seems the goblins you fight assaulting the grove are separate entities - they obviously not aggro tieflings on being looted. Also I noticed that state of goblins in camp (alive, massacred, poisoned) or their spiders is not related to ones you actually fight in the grove siege if you talk with Minthara and lure her into... barrel town.
@corvigae Ай бұрын
I had this happen to me in the grove once on an Honor run by trying to loot one of the Shadow Druids' bodies for some reason. I still don't get it, bc I'd looted them before and have since (also in HM) without any issue, but for some reason that was considered "stealing," and since I'd been caught sneaking around once before, it instantly caused everyone in the room to aggro...so naturally I thought "Shit, okay, I'll just run outside," only to find everyone out there aggro'd on me, too. Thought my run was cooked until I just barely managed to get (nearly) everyone to run away to safety.
@KasumiRINA Ай бұрын
@@corvigae yeah that whole area is a bit too twitchy. I looted shadow druids in combat, just in case. It's stupid they defend dead goblins tho, especially the exact ones you need to kill to save the Grove. Hell, I had to put myself in front of Sazza and persuade the tiefling to not execute the prisoner-of-war out of revenge (I'm a Paladin of Vengeance, not war crimes!) and exact same tieflings suddenly get sentimental over robbing the very same Gut their PoW is threatening them with. This is out of character.
@mancinod01 2 күн бұрын
This is the exact kind of content I love people exploring in video games, exploring every opportunity and choice path in this game is so interesting.
@chipsalom Ай бұрын
The voice actors pronounce Kagha's name like "Korga" because of their accent. Love your videos btw, I enjoy testing all sorts of stuff in the game, too! I haven't had a game give me this many hours of fascinated enjoyment per dollar since Ultima Online haha. And I'm sure we've both played tons of amazing games, but BG3 has been a special gem!
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Yeah - I figured I was butchering it a little, but I didn't want to say "Kah-gah". And aww, thanks so much! I'd never heard of Ultima Online so I just looked it up. That's cool that it was created in the 90s and is still around!
@chipsalom Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup haha Ultima Online is a really fascinating piece of gaming history. Oddly enough, even though the original game is still going strong, a private free server called UO:Outlands has managed somehow to capture the magic of the original game. Not that I'm pushing ya to play it, but there is so much about it and it's history that is really fascinating... They coined the term "massively multiplayer online game" haha. It was originally in part created to be not just a game, but also a social and economic experiment. Anyways, don't want to drone on about it, but it's history and even the current Outlands server are quite the rabbit hole of "moments in gaming history". 😀
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Whoah, that was the game that coined MMORPG?? That's so cool!! I have a new topic to Wikipedia tonight @chipsalom
@chipsalom 16 күн бұрын
@@erininsoup 😁
@JayteeStarr 10 күн бұрын
My first crush was super into UO. I would go to his house and just watch him play in 2003 because I wanted to be around him. 😝 Anyway, I was a RuneScape player and was impressed that UO had player owned housing. RS eventually added it, but not in the same way.
@commentary2378 Ай бұрын
WHAT HAPPENS IF... you let one of your teammates die in the druid grove before triggering the massacre, leave and let the Rite of Thorns take place, and then click on your teammate's portrait to see them and the area inside the grove? What'll be going on in there? Will characters be loaded?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Ooooh, love that idea! I just hit 1000 subscribers recently, so my next video was going to answer some questions from my comments and this will be a fun one to try!
@commentary2378 Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup That'd be awesome and congrats!
@GeekandGlory Ай бұрын
You also get some entirely different dialogue between Korga and Halsin in the Grove if you do the Dark Druid quest line and convince Korga to change her ways. Also different interaction at the After-party with Arabella's parents if Arabella died and Korga changed her ways. Korga is apologetic instead of being an ass. If you convince Korga to change her ways you get a staff as a request reward. If you don't convince her to change her ways, you can kill her without causing the other druids to go after the Teiflings.
@erininsoup 29 күн бұрын
Oooooh, I've experienced all the Shadow Druid stuff before, but I didn't know she still comes to the party and apologizes (every time I've done the shadow druid route, I've saved Arabella). Was Komira receptive to her apology, or did she still want to kill her?
@Ricard1807o 2 күн бұрын
The staff reward is for druid character only (you have to be druid to get it)
@lilith5847 Ай бұрын
Fun fact: Saving Kagha from being Killed by Komira breaks your Oath of Vengeance if you play as a Paladin, So even the game considers this as an evil action for saving an evil character, so she is at the same evil status as the Auntie Ethel (The Hag) and Gortash
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
@lilith5847 Oh, that's so interesting!! Definitely need to do a paladin run one of these days, but I'm afraid of breaking my oath too early
@bodhidaruma2824 Ай бұрын
Well it's more to do with you being a paladin of *vengeance* stopping someone from getting said vengeance.
@Jessyjplays 16 сағат бұрын
different viewers want different things, but i personally don't mind these videos being longer at all. keep up the good work
@erininsoup 6 сағат бұрын
Awwww, thank you (I say, while trying to trim down 11 hours of footage for this next experiments video haha)
@Jules_Diplopia Ай бұрын
I love the time and effort that you put in to find answers to questions that we may or may not have had. Respect. And Halsin turning up and expecting to go with you at the end, just because he couldn't get back into the grove, and he never mentioned it. What a jerk! Can't wat to see your experiments with the shadow druids. And don't forget that you can sneak back into the grove via the library, sometimes I find that more useful than using the "front door".
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww thanks Jules!! Appreciate you 💛 And yes, that back door is an experiment life saver!
@briarpelt2333 Ай бұрын
Goddamnit Raphael, we’re trying to do science here!
@WikkeSchrandt Ай бұрын
I wish fighting the druids went the same way for me as it did in this video. I've tested it myself a few times, and whenever I'd pick a fight with the druids (even in the centre of the grove), most druids would run right past me as non-combatants and start attacking the tieflings in the holding cells. No idea why they wouldn't just join the combat between me and the rest of the druids, but that's what has happened to me every single time so far
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
That's wild! Did you start the fight by stealing the idol or by attacking a druid? Either way, just more proof that the druids are jerks haha
@Krunkks Ай бұрын
same here the trick is to put any kind of damaging AOE in their way, that'll force them into a fight with you
@bunnyboygamille Ай бұрын
I once did this fight (on accident, I forgot using charm in dialogue on tactician aggros people... which for the character I was playing honestly makes sense anyway) with Durge and Wyll in Kagha's chambers (thought Wyll would enjoy me being a good boy for the first time in my life) while Lae'zel and Astarion were outside, so then I just had 2 separate fights to deal with at the same time. Now, Wyll died and Durge (who is intentionally poorly built, it's a jack-of-all-trades run, 3/10 do not recommend except for the laughs and the achievement) was downed and stabalized.... so after dealing with everything outside, Astarion swooped in to save Wyll and Durge's sorry hides. (Astarion has been my ringer basically the entire time I've played this game. I often send him in to solo fights at higher levels...) It was interesting, but also Rolan and Lia were dead so Cal disapeared before the party. Also it turns out that you need Rolan alive if you want any kids that aren't Mol to make it to Act 2.
@elenalizabeth Ай бұрын
@@bunnyboygamille yeah Rolan uses his magic to protect Alfira and the kids in the Shadowcursed area when they are attacked, so if he isn’t there they die. It’s also why he is so angry at the Tiefling kids when you first arrive at Last Light (because he is blaming them for his siblings being taken)
@Ka0ziun 24 күн бұрын
6:27 "All Arabella wanted to so is help. But you and half the grove stood by and let her die - alone." Lae'Zel : **casually blink eyes** 😶
@TheLukeSchnabel Ай бұрын
Now I’ve gotta go and mess with these interactions with no party limits on. Because if you position characters correctly you can probably save all the teiflings while you simultaneously save halsin.
@kaylayouman975 3 күн бұрын
That’s what I did 😂
@paulakurzawinska8654 Ай бұрын
I remember on my first playthrough I attacked Kagha, because I felt cocky, and my character is pretty darn evil most of the time, the only exception being protecting children. So, yeah, most (though not all) tieflings died, and Karlach didn't want to join me because she blamed me on massacring them. I dunno if it was a bug or a feature, but it surely was an interesting experience, even though I missed on a whole companion. Probably for the better, since my Tav was pretty darn evil. Edit: Also, Halsin told me he will visit me at the party, and he never came to that party. Like, the party have never happened, and he just disappeared, so I think it happens when you slaughter the grove and never tell him about it.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Whoah, what?! Karlach wouldn't join you because of that?? That's so tragic but funny 😂 thanks for sharing
@magister343 Ай бұрын
In my third playthrough I attacked a rat when I recognized her name as that of a shadow druid, which made the Shadow Druids kill Rath and Nettles before the regular druids decided to slaughter all the Tieflings. (I killed the shadow druids and then two druids while trying to save tiefling prisoners, only one of which lived.) Karlach gave me no choice but to kill her. In my last playthrough I had killed all the druids. Halsin showed up for the party, but no one else did. I'm not sure why none of the tieflings attended. I have found that the party tends not to happen if you are in the Underdark when you begin your nest long rest after saving Halsin. Going on to the Rosymorn Monestary Trail or Shadowlands tends to skip the parties, but one time I think I got a bug where I got the party after visiting Last Light Inn and then going back to the Grove one last time.
@jadedcode8953 Күн бұрын
It's crazy how much content is in this game.
@turboputt0358 Ай бұрын
The strangest part of finding this video is that I never met Arabella. I went into the grove but I didn't find the door leading to Kagha's room. At the party, Kagha wasn't there (I also never met her until Halsin came back to the grove and yelled at her) (very confusing conversation for me, since he mentioned Arabella's death). Also I never met Arabella's parents, and they weren't at the party either. Kinda crazy I missed that entire plotline :P
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Haha I love how many different versions of the same game we all get to experience - and you'll have a lot of fun content for your next run!
@Rheiss Ай бұрын
I love all of your bg3 videos; I can’t wait for more, literally subbed and loving them all!! Thank you so much for this amazing content ❤
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww thanks so much Rheiss - that makes my week 💛 appreciate you!
@DurgetheXIII Ай бұрын
Larian really put a lot of effort in Act 1. BTW, I absolutely love your video, and look forward to more fun experiments. 🥰
@legomojo 8 күн бұрын
I like you can hear Korrilla teleporting away as they poison Kahga. 😂
@arttuluttinen Ай бұрын
For Halsin: did you check the alternative entrance into the goblin lair that Liam uses to leave? Doing things in an unusual order I've found he can wind up there & be stuck until you talk to him. It's amusing that you can kill Nettie in her room and no one ever notices (or asks about her) subsequently, even with the door wide open and her body right there. And no comments on the biggest, most spineless clown about the druids, Rath? Tut tut.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Whaaaaaat, that's so interesting that he can get stuck there - I'll definitely have to reload an earlier save and see if he's wandering aimlessly around. Thanks for the tip! 💛 (And awww nooo, at least Rath tries to stand up to Kagha. I don't mind him or the bird-druid. But I fume at Kagha's two hench men)
@arttuluttinen Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup I can't recall exactly the weird order I did things because I've done the goblin camp many different ways. In essence everything was finished but I couldn't find him until I went to that spot and engaged him in dialogue. It's also strange to me that if Halsin dies as part of his rescue he's dead forever, but I've had his corpse follow me around at camp for the rest of the game as a result. As for Rath, the man talks a lot, but won't do anything to stop Kagha and gleefully participates in tiefling slaughter/closing off the grove, so he gets no love from me.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Haha the corpse following you around is tragic but also a little hilarious 😂 On an honor run, Minthara died while I was trying to get her out of Moonrise, but for some reason her portrait remained stuck to me since I had been controlling her. Didn't think it would matter but all the guards aggroed on me in every area because of an effect she had - I think it was the Enemy of Justice mark or something. But one of the things I like about Rath is he is willing to put his life on the line and battle Kagha and the rest of the druids if you reveal something like the shadow druids, while her lackeys will follow her blindly to the end.
@arttuluttinen Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup I've never had just Rath oppose her before. Every time I've done the Shadow Druid storyline I convince Kagha she's been on the wrong path (very easy to do) and she and everyone else fights against them. I assume this variance you've experienced can only occur via a very specific set of circumstances (?). Kagha's whole story seems truncated, as her redemption is abrupt and complete (her friend outside implies she wasn't always so bitter and angry)--what little Kagha says afterwards is just her being utterly contrite (which is better than the several instances of Wyll admitting he's been wrong and then immediately saying he'd do the same thing again--the latter I think is intentional satire from Larian as opposed to limited time/budget).
@GyroPoodle Ай бұрын
Forgive deserves death in every play through. She was evil. She planned on betraying the Grove and giving it up anyways. If you go to the swamp, you'll find a tainted worship site that has a big tree. In the tree, there is a note between Korga and another druid. When I found this. I was even happier I ended her.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
I love the shadow druid stuff!! I had planned on experimenting with them, but the video ended up being over an hour combined so I decided to make it its own separate video
@emris2697 Ай бұрын
Gale’s voice lines as a bard go hard
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
I should respec every member of my party to be a bard
@calliesummers1943 Ай бұрын
That's so interesting! I usually play a druid, so I go uncover the Shadow Druid business, confront Kagha, and convince her to reform, whether or not I let Arabella die. There's a way to let Halsin know about it all in the goblin camp too, but either way, his confrontation with Kagha is similar. It sounds a little softer, though, since she's showing a lot of regret and remorse, so I think Halsin's VA even recorded the identical lines differently. That also makes it make more sense why Kagha is allowed to attend the party, but is on the outskirts alone. Maybe the whole Shadow-Druid/Faithwarden route deserves a followup video? There's also a lot of druid (and drow-/elf-/tiefling-druid) dialogues that are pretty interesting. I love this kind of content for bg3! Keep it coming!! :D
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Ooooh, the Faithwarden stuff is so cool! My friend actually just got that special staff from Kagha on a multiplayer playthrough that I've been doing on the side for fun. I love seeing all the different dialogue options that depend on your character - drow is my favorite for that!
@calliesummers1943 23 күн бұрын
@@erininsoup While looking forward to the next installment, I recently finally got my golden dice, and I'm thinking about my next playthrough, and it occurred to me to wonder about nautiloid shenanigans. If you make Lae'zel stand in fire and completely die, she's a corpse on the beach, and you can resurrect her. But what if Shadowheart dies? Or what if she or Lae'zel jumps/falls off the ship while it's in Avernus? In a Tav run, Shart and Lae'zel can activate the console, but what if Tav fully dies in the fight at the control room? What about the gith man you meet in a Lae'zel origin run? What if he's the only survivor to leave Avernus?
@TealVT Ай бұрын
i wonder if the reason for the Lakrissa replacement is because she's moved out from up there. she sits up there naturally and perhaps Nerissa spaawns when Lakrissa is no longer there rather than if Lakrissa is dead?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
You know, you might be right on the money - that would also make sense why she doesn't have any voice lines! I need to try attacking Lakrissa I suppose to see if that gives her back her dialogue
@stephan4921 Ай бұрын
I was asking myself the same thing: Who even invited Khaga to the party? O_o
@SkimNms 16 күн бұрын
Super cool seeing these interactions for the first time, I'm working on seeing what happens to each origin character if you reject them(so far pretty disappointing) and what happens if you're a dark urge who has no one in their camp and you refuse to kill Isabelle for the butler
@erininsoup 15 күн бұрын
Ooooh, the dark uge one sounds so fun! Definitely interested in your findings
@SkimNms 13 күн бұрын
@erininsoup still working it, slowly breaking the game along the way. I managed to kill the shadow druids before exposing them, Larian definitely didn't plan on that happening lol
@iskippedlegday3902 Ай бұрын
I love these kind of videos, saves me the time seeing every outcome. Thank you! Side question: does Halsin join your camp and party in act 2 when you massacre the Druids (siding with Tiefling)?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww, I'm so glad! 😊 And yes, Halsin will still join you in Act 2 if you murder the druids, so no worries about losing the big ole bear
@floofyhood 29 күн бұрын
I love these experiments!! especially fun when the game really reacts to many scenarios
@erininsoup 29 күн бұрын
Aww, thank you!! So many times I think for sure nothing will happen here, but Larian manages to surprise me
@bingonight1504 Ай бұрын
So, i know the people who like to kill Raphael at the beginning of the game cast Silence on him, which prevents his automatic cutscene from triggering. Might silencing Kahga before killing her prevent her from going murderhobo?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Oooooh, that's such a cool idea!! Thank you, definitely have to give this a go
@RossanaPiccolaStar Ай бұрын
You can kill Raphael??? I don't want to spoil everything but everytime I'm looking up few things here and there for my 1.5 gameplay I get more and more afraid going blind, cause I'm prob going to miss so much (1st play through as 4 customs we never met Astarion or the hag, only Larian knows how many things we just skipped in act1)
@raylf3141 Ай бұрын
I would say the BG3 druids are surprising bloodthirsty but... I've borne witness to Merilwens Meatgrinder.
@gabriel897100 Ай бұрын
Wish we could have recruited kagha as an evil companion
@Josephkerr101 Ай бұрын
Saaza, minthara, and khaga evil girl boss squad.
@purpledragon5398 28 күн бұрын
I had no idea a out the shadow druid thing
@erininsoup 28 күн бұрын
It's so fun! You just have to open the letter in Kagha's chest to get the quest going
@Chupa-Macabre 7 күн бұрын
This video was awesome!!! Instant subscribe your content is fun!
@edgard142ndofwelshdale7 Ай бұрын
Spoiler warning: You should see what happens if you unleash the Spectator from the Iron Flask while at the Druid & Tiefling party at your camp. I did it blindly at camp and all my party members joined in on the fight, even the ones not in my party at the time. They were just AI controlled. I wanna see how much it could break the Druid and Tiefling party lol. Honestly there are probably lots of interesting places you could unleash that bugger. Maybe even a whole videos’ worth.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Oh wow, this is such a beautiful suggestion thank you ❤ it's 2am and I just booted up my computer to try it out
@peacefulcat3578 Ай бұрын
this is some very detailed experiments! Thank you so much!
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww, of course! Thanks for watching ❤️
@angelstarlight6030 13 күн бұрын
Here's how I do it as a druid Save Arabella Find letter near hags lair saying how kagha is handing the Grove over to the shadow druids Expose Kagha back at the Grove Convince her to turn on the shadow druids Kill shadow druids She then gives you a rare staff and names you faithwarden
@entertheunknown3554 8 күн бұрын
You can misty step into the grove after the thorns grow
@kaylayouman975 3 күн бұрын
I always have one of my party steal the idol and station the other three in other places so that they attack me first and not the tieflings. I saved every tiefling except one that way. It was hard as hell but it can be done. 🤣
@e_edith 16 күн бұрын
I wonder how much it all changes if you go to the swamp and expose kagha
@erininsoup 15 күн бұрын
Good question!! I did separate experiments with the shadow druids that I need to edit and upload
@trevorsreya8277 26 күн бұрын
30:55 I'm surprised you didn't see what would happen if you left a team member there till the fight was over when you found out they "disappeared."
@erininsoup 26 күн бұрын
Ooooh, that's a good suggestion!! Might have to go back and check that out
@Sp1cyG4m1ng 12 күн бұрын
I attacked the druids which gave me that cutscene where they begin a massacre on the tieflings. But then when I followed them without getting involved, the druids got massacred by the tieflings and were all killed even including the trader Arron like WTH, fail! LOL
@sleepyy_kittyy Ай бұрын
Wow, you've taken such a thorough approach to your experiments! Imagine my surprise when I look down and see you have less than 1k subs? Absolutely criminal o_o I'm sure you'll climb in numbers with quality, entertaining content like this though :D
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Haha awww thanks that's so nice of you to say! 💛☀️
@grantzhou8988 13 күн бұрын
that's realllly~ cool content
@Magister1995 Ай бұрын
I saved the little girl as a paladin of vengeance and oofed Kagha as a response.. my idea was to punish her unmoral behaviour. well after the battle (her cave) I took a long nights rest and was banished from the grove - ported right outside the gate. Karlach said after that, I killed the tiefling refugees personally, so I couldn't recruit her anymore.. halsin was saved and oblivious and would join my team happily. what a mess eventhough I was on a good playthrough
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
So interesting that Karlach views you murdering Kagha as a direct attack on the tieflings 😂 Meanwhile Halsin is a druid and isn't phased
@Magister1995 Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup Right? that was a weird mess
@Xenolithial 9 күн бұрын
My least favourite druid is the blonde guy wandering around constantly complaining about literally everyone.
@microwavehotpocket Ай бұрын
This video rocks
@microwavehotpocket Ай бұрын
Backing you up here, I angered the druids then rescued halsin after. He said he had to meet the druids and I could meet him in the grove, but just like your attempt, he was nowhere to be found since all the druids were dead.
@AJTHAxx Ай бұрын
I like Kagha...
@jamesgaiser8509 9 күн бұрын
Great video!
@nsdapcommunism2780 28 күн бұрын
Its strange that you can kill arabella but cant kill other tiefling kids. I tried to slaughter them after they stole my stuff, but they were invincible
@haremenot Ай бұрын
Now I wanna know if Khaga and/or Halsin have different dialogue if you find the letter (near the teahouse) without talking to Khaga first.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
I actually tried this out as part of my shadow druids experiments - it was all going to be one video, but it got too long! Kagha didn't have new dialogue lines, but it was kind of satisfying to have the upper hand on her
@goodgulfgas Ай бұрын
I'm on my 7th or 8th playthrough right now and I triggered a scene with Kagha where you confront her about the Shadow Druid plot, and this triggers a whole new encounter. You need to find the letter hidden at the beach with the mud mephits.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Yes, love the shadow druids!! I did a few experiments exclusively about them, but I ran out of time in the video.
@gl00my_tuesday 8 күн бұрын
I would like to know what happens if you leave a party member hidden inside the grove while the rite of thorns takes place
@commentary2378 Ай бұрын
WHAT HAPPENS IF... you free Orpheus and make the Emperor leave you before meeting Ansur under Baldur's Gate? Will you get a different dialogue? An ally?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Ooooh, interesting idea - I have spent way more time messing around in act 1 and 2 than act 3, but is there a way to free Orpheus before the morphic pool? Because I think at that point you can't go back to the city, and your party is locked together. But if I could, I would loooove to try this
@aulsa1056 Ай бұрын
i love your video !! :)
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww thank you, appreciate you 🥰
@CanonShot Ай бұрын
I wonder what happens in the Druid grove with all of this, if you are also a Druid. Such as any unique dialogue that comes from being a Druid, or anything like that.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
I'll have to respec with Withers and give it a try! I know there's a special interaction if you confront Kagha and the shadow druids as a druid, but it'll be so cool if there's also unique dialogue when the massacre begins
@user-kv4gq1ww5q Ай бұрын
Are you gonna experiment with act 2 next?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Definitely gonna do some experiments in Act 2 (my favorite act!) But it might be a little while - I'm finishing up a shadow druid one, and then I'm going to be traveling for a couple of weeks, so it'll probably be mid-August. If you have any suggestions for things to try out, let me know ❤
@kurtcobane1762 Ай бұрын
If you want to teleport something with improvised weapon you want to trigger the teleport just before they hit the ground so, pick em up drag em as far as they can teleport learned that doing the old Minthara recruit glitch lol for some characters you might need to use Polymorph and Charm animals
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Ooooh, okay thanks for the tip! I'm excited to try that out and get it right this time ❤️ so many possibilities!
@kurtcobane1762 Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup kzfaq.info/get/bejne/brRxYMmA3L61nKM.html this shows the method specifically for minthara the glitch is outdated now because of patch 6 but presumably it would work for other characters if you can take minthara across acts it's very long winded so to save you watching the whole thing the method starts at 3:45
@lillianfultz9032 Ай бұрын
33:11 i think if you check the outside of the grove halsin will be there dead if i remember because i originally wanted to kill kagha and i did but after a chat with minthara and deciding not to kill her and free halsin kind of i killed the rest of the tieflings and he was outside, but again my memory doesnt hold up well
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Oh wait that's so interesting, I'll definitely have to find that save and take a look!
@pawkeshup 23 күн бұрын
OK I didn't see a comment about the replacement NPC issue, but given that she was bugged out, here's my guess. Likely because you started the incident where the tieflings were meant to be killed, it loaded in at least one of the replacement NPCs in prep, but because you stopped the killings, that NPC's flags didn't get set right so they were not able to be spoken to. I would be curious to see if any of the other replacements popped up mixed in with the rest of them.
@erininsoup 22 күн бұрын
This is a really well-thought out guess! It is strange that there are so many replacement tieflings at the party, but none pop up in the Grove. I saw Nerela again the other day while I was testing out some comments from this video - I slaughtered all the tieflings and she aggroed as soon as I climbed the ladder
@yabiyabi 7 күн бұрын
wait....Khaga always is at the thiefling parties when alive? I never had it even when she lived..
@scanix100 Ай бұрын
I have a question, if Arabella died, will her parents die in Act 2 as normal or not. I've never tried that myself ;)
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
That's a great question! For some reason, I swore I read that her parents survive if she dies, but when I tried searching that up I couldn't find anything about that...so I might need to try it out in the future. Thanks for the suggestion!
@scanix100 Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup I knew I can count on you 😊
@Miniselkie Ай бұрын
In my first playthrough I thought Arabella would be saved if I just got halsin back. When I got back she was already dead 😢 even though I didn't get the cutscenes with the snake.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
I just tried this out the other day haha and felt like I betrayed Arabella 😫 I wish there was a way to start the snake interaction with one person and rescue halsin with the rest, but I don't know if he'd show up at camp
@HodlinC Ай бұрын
Kagha probably gets twisted about you killing Arabella because, well, she clearly didn't want her dead - given her reaction if the snake does bite her. But it is strange that she decides to take that out on the tieflings??? Like. What??
@Kamidake83 Ай бұрын
My only question is what happens if Kahga kills Arabella and then you later out her as a shadow druid. Does Halsin still kick her out? Does Arabella's parents still murder her?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Oooh, great question! I'll have to try this one out and include it in the shadow druid follow-up video!
@er8066 Ай бұрын
depends on the dialogue or set of instances but they can still murder her at the party after outing her as a shadow druid, halsin demotes her down to a novice and shes at the party for some reason, the parents can still kill her
@Emma-se5wm Ай бұрын
just happened to me in my playthrough: Kahga killed Arabella and I came back and exposed her as a shadow druid. I persuaded her to fight with me against the others. Halsin was still BIG MAD at her in the grove and he didn't demote her to a novice...he basically said he couldn't absolve her and that nature would run its course with her. She was at the party and Komira stabbed her. Astarion is wearing her necklace.
@andybodle7560 Ай бұрын
Very interesting! (But there's no R in Kagha - it's a pure vowel sound, -aw-)
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
I didn't hear it at first, but now when I listen to it again, I hear the difference clearly. I'll know for next time!
@nathalielima9999 Ай бұрын
If you want to experiment more, try playing a Tiefling, a Druid or... A Tiefling Druid, there's new text options :)
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Yeeees, I'm doing a multiplayer with a few friends and one of them just got a special staff from Kagha for being a druid. Definitely need to try out some other class combos!
@Mixin88 Ай бұрын
I prefering Kagha redemtion story and because on my honored mode Arabela die why my urge loving detecting thougs :D , after seving her from shadow druid she suffer by it even more for Arabela death.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
The shadow druid stuff is so cool, definitely my favorite Kagha related quest
@StudentSwope Ай бұрын
ACT 1 SPOILERS! I'm suprised you didn't mention anything about Kagha's redemption/the Shadow Druids in this video. Do you have any plans to cover that, too?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Yes, definitely have plans to cover that!! It was actually all supposed to be one video, but the video started to get so long that I decided to make the shadow druid video its own thing. ❤️
@Essutos Ай бұрын
I'm doing 2nd playthrough rn, sazza is little buggy too, I've accepted quest to free her, then went to mintharaand organized attack on the grove and killed every remaining gonlin at camp. Now when i freed sazza, she wants me to speak to minthara who isn't there, maybe after I'm done with betraying minthara something will happen with her
@Essutos Ай бұрын
And nope, it was still bugged
@bibbobella 20 күн бұрын
What happens if Arabella dies, but you do that whole quest to redeem Kagha? Does she still get killed by the parents at the end?
@lostsoul2637 Ай бұрын
I'm curious, what if you kill everyone in the grove, then go side with the Goblins to do the raid. Is there any special dialogue for everyone in the grove already being dead before the raid? Oh and there's a Goblin caged up at the grove, I wonder if there's dialogue with killing everyone else, and freeing them.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Ooooh, both excellent questions!! My next video is going to be answering a lot of questions I've got in the comments, and I'm definitely going to try these out! ❤️
@negentropyagent7337 19 күн бұрын
i love Kagha. She should have been a companion for an evil playthrough. Decides to leave the grove and come with you for supporting her getting rid of the tieflings, even after Halsin decides to leave her in natures hand, she would have found someone to trust in you, a good ally. This is one of the things i dont like about this game. Even Z`ariel could have been a companion for evil playthrough.
@erininsoup 15 күн бұрын
Yeah, there are some interesting evil characters that could really fill out an Evil Party! Sazza is my #1
@alexisdipoalo9443 Ай бұрын
so what happens if you let all the teiflings die, let the rite happen and than get back into the gove?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
I don't think there is a way back into the Grove if that happens - they'll seal it off immediately, and I haven't been able to find a way to bypass the thorns 🥹
@alexisdipoalo9443 Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup should be possible with fly or misty step. I mean if a jump can get you in during the goblin attack I see no reason those can't get you in with the rite after all
@noamto 22 күн бұрын
Great video! But why do you keep calling her "Korga"? Also looks like Arabella's dad was in on it with Raphael 13:35
@erininsoup 22 күн бұрын
Haha, it totally does look like he just teleported tf out of there 😂 and it was my bad, I tried to pronounce it like the characters (albeit poorly) I'll pronounce it Kagha next time I refer to her
@jedimasterren5520 Ай бұрын
What happens if your a Druid and you ally yourself with the Tieflinfs
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
I had a friend play druid, and apparently nothing new really happens - but if you reveal the shadow druid plot as a druid in defense of the tieflings, you'll get a special staff!
@luvcherry Ай бұрын
thank you for doing all the work for me since I had questions about this 😭 rn I'm doing an evil playthrough and wondering about all the interactions with the druidxtiefling fight and minthara's raid, like what happens if the fight starts and then you have her show up? will wyll and karlach still be mad for having her come over even if you don't go through with the massacre since everyone's dead (if you only kill druids in that fight I guess?)? thinking about what to do for maximum drama
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww of course! And ooooh, I like your thinking!! Some other commenters have said that even inciting the massacre and letting the tieflings die without Minthara is enough to make Karlach angry, so I think she might be out of commission, but it'd be fun to try to see what new lines pop up!
@TheLukeSchnabel Ай бұрын
The Raphael trigger has nothing to do with the grove attack. I’ve triggered him there before as well. I once tried attacking Raphael in front of the druids and they started attacking the tieflings anyway?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
That's wild that the druids attacked the tieflings when you tried to attack Raphael 😂
@XH13 Ай бұрын
Did you try to save halsin before confronting kagha ?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Gotta add that one to my list!
@quilavabucket Ай бұрын
maybe youve already done this and i just cant find it, but what happens if you investigate and confront kagha after she kills arabella?
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Great question - I plan on covering that in a Shadow Druid specific video. Was gonna include it here, but the video was as long as a feature film haha
@itme7685 Ай бұрын
There is no character called Korga. They just have British accents and they are saying Kagha.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Yeah, a few other comments taught me that it's not an r sound!
@Inu252 Ай бұрын
Hey, I love your BG3 Videos. Maybe you or someone else can answer my Question: Is it possible that the druids help defend the grove when you (pretend to) raid the grove with the goblins. Because the druids just keep holing up in their sanctum and I can't think if more ways to do it 😅 I don't understand why they don't help even after the rite of thorns i canceled. Does someone know? Maybe a good Video Idea? 😅
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Awww thank you!! That means a lot 💛 And when I tried that, the druids actually tried to hide entirely and wall up in the inner sanctum haha
@Inu252 Ай бұрын
Yeah that happend with me too... I thought maybe one can do something about it. And get them to help out
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Oooooh I see...I definitely have to try a few methods and report back
@RealTomSanborn Ай бұрын
They’re not saying “Corga,” they’re saying Kahga” with a British accent. An American should pronounce it “Kah-Gah.” Think of it like the way British people would say Saturday like “Sa-ur-day.” That doesn’t mean we should start saying it like that.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
Yeah, a few comments have let me know 😊 I'm half Korean, and oftentimes my mom's name gets butchered by people, so I thought some people might be offended if I made no effort to pronounce her name the way I heard it (albeit I didn't do a great job at the pronunciation!) Can only improve the next time I say her name!
@RealTomSanborn Ай бұрын
@@erininsoup As soon as I said it I realized people had probably already let you know. My bad.
@erininsoup Ай бұрын
You're totally good, I almost never read other comments before commenting on a video 💛 hope you have a lovely day!
@legomojo 8 күн бұрын
Who is this Corga? 😂
@Ripulintuoja Ай бұрын
0:23, hey, Kagha is my favorite.
@MattBradyrules 5 күн бұрын
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