Explaining the Cyber Truck

Explaining the Cyber Truck - TST Podcast

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Jason Cammisa brought a binder full of facts to settle some misunderstandings (and drama) surrounding the Tesla Cyber truck. While he and Matt continue to have differing opinions on some aspects of how Tesla products should be covered, this is a great discussion.
Recorded December 15, 2023
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0:00 Intro
2:45 Apologizing
8:25 Journalistic integrity
24:00 Treating all companies equally
43:10 Car accident data
48:15 Acceleration consistency
51:15 Steer by wire
1:14:20 48 volt accusations
1:22:05 Crash test ratings
1:42:14 Jason cut himself on the truck
1:44:52 Pedestrian impact danger
2:07:08 Past vs Present missteps
2:12:00 “Political” differences?
2:15:50 Product vs Company vs Society
2:23:50 Fact finding vs volume
2:34:40 Setting an example
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@MotownModels 7 ай бұрын

As an engineer who used to work for a supplier (did rear steer development on Hummer EV), it's nice to hear Jason actually know what he's talking about with the technical stuff. I appreciate it when journalists educate themselves beyond a level of "this feels good, I dislike this" etc

@chibidib 7 ай бұрын

If i am not mistaken he is an engineer, so it makes sense that he explains these technicalities the best of all the journalists. Because he is the only one who actually knows what they're talking about.

@JasonCammisa 7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@criznash 7 ай бұрын

hes wrong about multiple things though. he's uncritically regurgitating tesla's claims about NHTSA findings that even NHTSA has made statements that Tesla needs to stop claiming.

@user-cw9em3mo3w 7 ай бұрын

@criznashj before the CyberTrk test drove he was a skeptic of Tesla I'm sure afterwards heshocked what them Tesla engineers have done and come up with.For ICE diehards a months experience will make converts of them

@user-cw9em3mo3w 7 ай бұрын

@@criznashYou are uneducated about Tesla and so are most, even those of the automotive veterans and legacy auto, and that is why a decade after the Tesla modS was released legacy auto still has not caught up and come up with a " Tesla Killer"!

@Tarmac76 7 ай бұрын

This episode boils down to: One guy who did his homework and one who didn't. Facts > Feelings.

@DieselDan09 7 ай бұрын

Jason totally ruled this conversation

@sageakporherhe783 7 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

Matt comes across as someone who consumed too much mainstream media.

@user-xj5xp6qz5g 7 ай бұрын

@@sparkpaul bingo! His behavior is either intentional or its not... either way listening to his incessant deflection and complete inability to realize/accept he was proven wrong over and over is insufferable.

@wayneschakel 6 ай бұрын

As Tom would say, "Facts don't care about your feelings"

@Redmercy 7 ай бұрын

I’ve never watched this podcast before, only here for Jason. But the unbelievable biased hate against Tesla from the, I assume regular host, is honestly disgusting. I’m glad people like Jason exist in this field.

@fuzzygloop 7 ай бұрын

He had to apologize in his last podcast for spreading false information again. Hes kind of immature in the way he conducts himself publicly.

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.

@adlcuevas5689 7 ай бұрын

No kidding, the guy with the beard is clearly a Tesla and Musk hater, no matter how much they deliver, he will always criticize their products. I'm very glad Jason is such a good journalist and professional at his job, great job of separating personal opinions from facts.

@C123-- 7 ай бұрын

The dude’s wife used to work at twitter as some sort of bigwig lawyer and she got fired by Musk lol

@ebbs0000 7 ай бұрын

He's just another jumped up trust fund baby. His old man is brilliant to be honest, but Matt has become insufferable over the last few years. I wish Zac would just walk away and start his own thing as he's down to earth.

@nerdwatcher4273 7 ай бұрын

Now we need a link to Jason’s document! He put so much time and effort into it that it needs to be shared. It is basically the required reading for this free masterclass in journalistic integrity.

@memertmemes2586 7 ай бұрын

Ya that paper he sent them 3 seconds before getting on air.

@mittortz 7 ай бұрын

Lol journalistic integrity. His cybertruck review was a puff piece, just because he didn't lie about much doesn't mean he made an objective review. I can't believe how bad people are at critical thinking and reading between the lines.

@Earnformation 7 ай бұрын

@@mittortz you're either trolling or you don't understand engineering...or both

@mittortz 7 ай бұрын

@@Earnformation what exactly about my comment would make you suppose either of those things?

@Earnformation 7 ай бұрын

@mittortz you don't say how Jason's review was a puff piece and point to nothing to support your argument...he, unlike you and I, had access to the actual engineers that built the thing. He has years of automotive industry journalism. He's admitted to not liking the truck personally, but couldn't get over the advancements that came with the car. So...how was it a puff piece?

@LieberFilms 7 ай бұрын

I watched the entire podcast and am so impressed with Jason’s professionalism and ability to separate opinion from fact. Jason gave ya’ll a free masterclass and you didn’t even know it.

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

Fact: Matt and Zach didn't even touch the cybertruck and look how much they criticized the vehicle. That's unfair for all the people who worked hard on the vehicle.

@Json918 7 ай бұрын

Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.

@IS300Spartan 7 ай бұрын

I work in and teach sales. I learned a LOT from watching him separate facts from opinions. Definitely some gold in here.

@okthisisthelasttimeipromise 7 ай бұрын

“Gave y’all”. Ok checkmark ego. “Gave us*”

@derRoteKampfflieger 5 ай бұрын

Are you kidding? Firstly Matt was on the mark on nearly EVERYTHING. Further watch an expert put Jason in his place regarding redundancy in episode 892.

@RaulV22 7 ай бұрын

Jason nailed it at 18:18. When you’re a journalist, you need to check your own feelings and emotions at the door. That IS the problem with journalism nowadays. Bias. Check your bias, present the facts, and dress it in an entertaining way, without projecting your bias. It’s one of the things that makes journalism so damn hard.

@mattwillow7 7 ай бұрын

Before watching this (cause it's f...in long?!), I love Jason, been watching his content for more then 10 years now, but CT video was a lot of show and not so much facts. And I can understand that, you need views, you need show, but it was kinda bias, not like "I hate Tesla" bias, but "I need a show" bias, if you know what I mean... I will feel free to edit this comment after watching the full video 😁

@blackrippin 7 ай бұрын

I've been skipping the Tesla segments for years. Matt can't control his bias and let's Elon live rent free in his head. I'm not saying ignore the bad stuff he has trouble admitting they are objectively good cars for most people.

@HUMC5 7 ай бұрын

Lol! Jason is doing the "youtube game" now. Hype everything new and different to get more views=$$$.

@blackrippin 7 ай бұрын

@@HUMC5 you hype the title but present facts in the video. That's standard for quality journalism on KZfaq

@HUMC5 7 ай бұрын

@@blackrippin Present "some facts" like he did in favour of the CT. I've been watching Cammisa for 10y but him and LIEberman became bias to Tesla most of the time. Matt may be wrong on a couple of things but his overall arguments are right.

@randallreacts8210 7 ай бұрын

This video is a prime example that lies/ bad facts take mere moments to say and it takes someone who knows all the facts 10-20x as much time to debunk these lies/bad facts

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

@cordeauxboi 7 ай бұрын

This is a significant problem we are experiencing. Great point

@lanzer22 7 ай бұрын

Or you can say that the lies are like speeding bullets and facts are the surgery that's needed for the gunshot wounds.

@taylorc2542 6 ай бұрын

Matt/Zach have two forms of TDS, one is Tesla Derangement Syndrome.

@derRoteKampfflieger 5 ай бұрын

And he was still wrong. check out episode 892.

@saulosilva1236 2 ай бұрын

So Matt was correct?

@valerystoichkov7429 2 ай бұрын

Yes

@websitemartian Ай бұрын

no. rofl.

@aguruattapiano Ай бұрын

yes

@BrendanEvan 7 ай бұрын

I loved this level of intentional “face to face” discussion and conflict resolution. Disagreeing up close is by far the most productive.

@AP-op4rc 7 ай бұрын

Takes some self awareness, swallowing pride, and actually caring about each other. Wish this was easier for more people to do.

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

Matt is the one who is political about the cars.

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

Fsd is BETA and definition of autopilot is exactly the same as airplanes: drivers attention are needed.

@jginda1 7 ай бұрын

@@sparkpaulhe’s very triggered. Hard to listen to him.

@feedvid 7 ай бұрын

I have never seen Matt before but huge RESPECT is deserved by anyone with the integrity to publicly apologize. Huge respect for Matt.

@jarrodvsinclair 7 ай бұрын

Jason is a beter journalist then 99% of media. Did a great job

@Json918 7 ай бұрын

@UniFanatix 7 ай бұрын

Ahahaha he put Matt in place real quick and taught him a valuable lesson about journalism. Completely own him. Love it.

@IchigoKurosaki011 7 ай бұрын

That you should have no integrity and just do whatever Tesla tells you to to make their shit look good?@@UniFanatix

@Chris-hw4mq 7 ай бұрын

@@Json918 Matt is a radical liberal who hates Musk you cant reason with radicals

@GET2222 7 ай бұрын

Sorry… Matt is what is absolutely wrong with the f-ing world.

@ZeGermanHam 7 ай бұрын

I'd just like to give props to Jason for his grace and kindness here, and also to Matt for his courage to put himself in that type of situation and be open to discussion and critique. None of this is easy between two people, especially in a public setting.

@ThienNguyen24 6 ай бұрын

If Jason wasn't his friend, I doubt this video would exist.

@theeeMitchi 5 ай бұрын

@@ThienNguyen24 I wonder if he still is after this, but I think so.

@janissaryone1906 7 ай бұрын

Kudos to Jason! The last 10 minutes is the most critical, EVERY KZfaqr/Media person should take it to heart!

@danharold3087 7 ай бұрын

In the last 10 minutes we learn that to do a good youtube channel one needs a patron or at least draw some good sponsors.

@yeahbuddy92193911 7 ай бұрын

Jason put on a fact clinic. Matt's only defense is "but Elon said" or "I feel", "i think". Matt is wrong on every single topic.

@MrLSDownliner 7 ай бұрын

I love how his backup is “probably” from a “self driving expert”

@TedKidd 7 ай бұрын

ELON IS CALLOUS MEANY! This guy needs to cut the estrogen supplements

@milkymike122 7 ай бұрын

Jason systematically destroyed Matt😂😂😂

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

@saff226 7 ай бұрын

@@MrLSDownliner expert that owns and was on the board of a LIDAR company.

@atmos6350 7 ай бұрын

I’m an engineer working in the mechatronics and autonomy space and I have to say that I’d always been a fan of Jason but this only solidified it - some of the comments from Matt and Zach were pretty ill informed sadly 😅

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

@stevevarholy2011 7 ай бұрын

It's the difference between a journalist with legal experience and two "due bros."

@donutdunk3891 7 ай бұрын

Jason Cammisa is bringing real facts to the table, respect. I had only heard bad things about Tesla. Now I want to go for a test drive.

@monkeysezbegood 7 ай бұрын

Im sure many of these car youtubers are paid by the anti-tesla lobby. The main stream media is also very anti Tesla and misrepresents info all the time.

@deathlogic1 7 ай бұрын

maybe expand your media. what else are they lying to you about?

@nothingtoseehere96 7 ай бұрын

Most of the bad stuff are from people like Matt who have some sort of agenda.

@shallenberger57 7 ай бұрын

You will love Tesla after your first Test Drive....

@starseeddeluxe 7 ай бұрын

Yes, and you NEED to see Jason Cammisa's short documentary (that's what they are) of the Tesla Plaid on the Hagerty channel. It's the one where they compare the Lucid to the Tesla Plaid, and the video editing and Jason's narrative performance in that video is just so, so awesome. It's the coolest video editing of any car video so far.

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

When jasn started explaining engineering and equations, they had no idea 😂

@kingmal5284 7 ай бұрын

Shout out to Jason for a well prepared and presented stfu to Matt. Respect to Matt for taking it on the chin and making amends with Jason. We've all benefited from this demonstration in professionalism.

@larssonk22 7 ай бұрын

Agreed And also great profile pic, one of the best sci-fi films made (in my opinion)

@Viggo_Frb 7 ай бұрын

Well said.

@taylorc2542 7 ай бұрын

Keep in mind that Matt is part of the little aphartheid tribe, and that's going to effect his view of Elon/Tesla.

@prasad530 7 ай бұрын

He may have taken it on the chin, but it was clear that he is unable to separate emotion and politics from logical analysis.

@overtime94 7 ай бұрын

Well said, I was thoroughly impressed with Jason's take and preparedness. Can't stand Elon but the engineering in that truck can't be refuted.

@ItsBondoBaby 7 ай бұрын

Good on Matt to have this discussion. That being said, I’m reminded why I stopped watching him years ago.

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

@Json918 7 ай бұрын

@urgetodrive 7 ай бұрын

Well said. Co-signed.

@MDC_1985 7 ай бұрын

+1 Co-signed.

@mclarksays 7 ай бұрын

Add another to the list

@IS300Spartan 7 ай бұрын

This was a masterclass on how to conduct yourself in a debate, and how NOT to do that. Thank you Jason for staying neutral in your arguments and sticking to cold hard facts, even while being answered strictly with opinions.

@Optimus.Prime. 7 ай бұрын

Matt the best thing you did is invite Jason for a real face to face talk - much respect. Other than that, there’s no doubt he taught you a master class in 'facts don’t care about your ill advised feelings'

@user-xj5xp6qz5g 7 ай бұрын

From his constant deflection and inability to acknowledge when he was proven wrong I suspect Matt has not learned a thing from this convo.

@mateogarcia6942 7 ай бұрын

Context aside, this is journalism masterclass from Cammisa. That mfer is there for a reason!

@taylorc2542 7 ай бұрын

He schooled Matt for a steady two hours.

@mateogarcia6942 7 ай бұрын

@@taylorc2542 yea he kinda did, but as a communication and media student this is pretty valuable

@monkeysezbegood 7 ай бұрын

@@mateogarcia6942Honesty is the best policy, so much of media today is dishonest.

@IS300Spartan 7 ай бұрын

@@mateogarcia6942 Agreed. I work in sales and this was insanely valuable.

@wisemanofsorts6068 7 ай бұрын

Matt has such a heavy bias, it is hard to take anything he says as relevant. Jason is awesome here.

@taylorc2542 7 ай бұрын

He's like a NYTs journalist but pretends to be a regular car guy.

@EugenioBrenes 7 ай бұрын

He does not even try to hide his wokeness and socialism anymore and lives in opulence such a double standard

@ItsBondoBaby 7 ай бұрын

After watching this I’ve come to realize Matt is the embodiment of every Reddit moron whose uninformed take is argued either in bad faith or sheer hatred, but quite easily debunked. Like…just flat out saying the bed is unusable? Based on what experience Matt? You really think the taper nullifies the claim that the bed can fit drywall?? You literally think a pointy nose means more pedestrian maiming? Are you actually 7 years old? I hope you are embarrassed.

@thesmokingman 7 ай бұрын

It's crazy how one man can ooze such ignorance.

@MuitoDaora 7 ай бұрын

@@EugenioBrenesWait. Socialism therefore poor?

@davetesligte225 7 ай бұрын

Jason is showing himself to be one of the best and maybe only actual JOURNALISTS out there. Super props to him for understanding and presenting the differences between facts and feelings.

@danielsondiecastracing 7 ай бұрын

1:29:13 I literally slapped my hand down and said "YES!" the moment Jason said "Standard Deviation". Most under utilized statistic. Averages mean very little without a standard deviation. Jason gets it

@prasadt772 7 ай бұрын

Engineer: You know a mechanical steering can fail. Chances are low but they do fail. Specially in a damaged vehicle. Matt: No problem....I trust it completely. It's mechanical. I would rather have a bolt loosen and make my steering fall on my lap. Engineer: But steer by wire will avoid that issue. We have more redundancies than a mechanical one andit could fail. Chances are extremely rare. Matt: You mean there's a chance...!!! I don't trust it. 😑

@stoner27th 7 ай бұрын

and because of Elon. lol

@haeikou 7 ай бұрын

Agree, the "do you trust it" part was the most Roganesque one out of the entire conversation.

@andrasbiro3007 7 ай бұрын

People trust what they understand and what they have experience with. Numbers are meaningless to the part of the brain that assesses danger, only experience matters. And this can work in perverse ways. For example we aren't afraid of car accidents, but some are afraid of flying, and most people are terrified of nuclear accidents, while in reality you are far far more likely to die in a car than being killed by nuclear radiation, and planes are somewhere in between.

@prasadt772 7 ай бұрын

@@andrasbiro3007 Yes, that's true. A variety of conclusions can be drawn from the same data set. It's how you interpret the data. And some people take advantage of this very fact to muddy the water. I think one should not only.be critical of they have been presented with but also look out for other conclusions as well so you will have some framework to go by.

@sageakporherhe783 7 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@mikemcg1808 7 ай бұрын

Jason Cammisa is such a professional and legend! Best kind of car nerd!

@neong 7 ай бұрын

He is absolutely my favorite auto journo.

@TedKidd 7 ай бұрын

Kind whiny and effeminate for me

@b3dazzl3 6 ай бұрын

@@TedKiddwe get it, you’re In the closet bro 😂

@davidvanpatten2237 7 ай бұрын

Matt also bet some dude on twitter a delorean, the cycbertruck wouldn’t be made. Can we make sure he pats up on that one. 😂

@TonyStone3000 Ай бұрын

Jason cybertruck review was an infomercial. That fact hasn't changed

@jrodriguez37s 7 ай бұрын

Jason is the most professional out of the group of youtube car guys

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

@mathinflames 7 ай бұрын

Check SavageGeese if you like Jason...

@memertmemes2586 7 ай бұрын

@@sparkpaulkeep posting that comment on everyone else's comments. Weirdo.

@toddalvandi 7 ай бұрын

I actually discovered Jason through The Smoking Tire, he's quickly become one of my favorite automotive journalists.

@R1val909 7 ай бұрын

Omg lol. Try watching his old motor trend stuff it’s good too

@joeljeffrey9139 7 ай бұрын

Agreed. You got to watch his old motor trend stuff.

@ricardofigueroa6754 7 ай бұрын

He’s a legend watch his older stuff. His presentation style is on point

@toddalvandi 7 ай бұрын

@@ricardofigueroa6754 just watched the M3 video, gives me Chris Harris vibes. Great stuff!

@BobSmith-yh5im 7 ай бұрын

If you haven't already, check out his weekly KZfaq podcast "The Carmudgeon Show"

@chrismikeryan 6 ай бұрын

The ads on this video alone sheds light on the standard viewerbase - fight your speeding ticket - gambling - 💀

@StephenGlaesman1978 7 ай бұрын

There is clearly one journalist here. Jason comes with facts and Matt shares his feelings 😢

@IchigoKurosaki011 6 ай бұрын

Jason stopped being a journalist the moment he sold his journalistic integrity to Tesla

@ruturaj47 6 ай бұрын

@@IchigoKurosaki011lol

@Thebackson 7 ай бұрын

This will probably be the only time I watch this channel. It was amazing to watch how many times Jason brought actual evidence in data only to be countered by a broken record about feelings and hearsay and rumors. It is pretty clear Matt is obtuse and comprised when it comes to an honest data driven review.

@jginda1 7 ай бұрын

Thinking exactly the same thing….

@danah-kiam8629 7 ай бұрын

Same. Funny how the guest outshines the host and how the former actually is the one carrying thee show.

@aussie_al 7 ай бұрын

This was an absolute dumpster fire and i wonder if this channel has ever had any shred of credibility. Definitely my last time here

@Joeslowcostlifestyle-py9ww 7 ай бұрын

Broken record, exactly.

@josephkelly4893 7 ай бұрын

Great to see Jason on the podcast to air any differences of ‘opinion’ that all parties may have. Sometimes our judgement can be clouded, but getting past it with actual discussion is the sign of a real mature adult.

@Mrbfgray 7 ай бұрын

Bringing up Missy Cummings *severely* degrades credibility in this dude. She's not remotely an expert on driver assistance systems, but instead, openly emotionally hostile to Tesla, it's in her Tweets. 38:15

@suvann540i 7 ай бұрын

lol, except that jason's receipts were facts, not opinion. Off topic convos however were.

@jtthebrick3 7 ай бұрын

This really made me like Jason. Well done sir.

@user-ou7ky7qg8o 7 ай бұрын

This was great. Clicked at random and was stuck for over 2.5 hours. Turns out folks having a civil discussion about a contentious issue is dreamy, informative programming if you allow swearing. Big heart emoji to all of you for doing this.

@89turbo 7 ай бұрын

Always knew Jason is very intelligent and this video is a great example. He’s a league above the rest for sure

@BTC_Cassidy 7 ай бұрын

Yeah his intellect is insane compared to Matt

@sujanpoudel2 7 ай бұрын

@@BTC_Cassidy agree, not even close. Matt is someone who seems to criticize a person or product actually never having to know them.

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

@sujanpoudel2 7 ай бұрын

He is a classing hater

@isaahland4229 7 ай бұрын

A great example of adults acting mature about a disagreement - something we don't tend to see much these days, especially here on YT. TST has long been my favorite source of automotive news and entertainment.

@edw.b856 7 ай бұрын

Gentlemen eating crow together is a beautiful and generous thing ☺️

@aro2866 7 ай бұрын

Disagreements tend to not be as low stakes as "do you like car". Maturity in disagreement is a privilege for those who have nothing material to lose in that disagreement.

@larssonk22 7 ай бұрын

@@aro2866 agree to disagree

@aro2866 7 ай бұрын

@@larssonk22 Thanks for the demonstration.

@leepicgaymer5464 7 ай бұрын

@@aro2866 You think disagreeing is a privilege? What drugs?

@caseyshiloh247 6 ай бұрын

I love the "Elon opened the door to me being an ignorant idiot" defense at every confrontation.

@TheAdventureAuto 7 ай бұрын

"We need to be able to better as a community, and as a country, and probably as a world, to do a better job of separating opinion from fact." So great and so true.

@AndreThompson925 7 ай бұрын

Hearing Jason say he was disappointed in Matt really hit home. I would hate having Cammisa 'disappointed' in me, and you can tell Matt feels like shit. Also, how great is it seeing adults work through their disagreements.

@AliOfBaba 7 ай бұрын

Love Camissa’s take here. Disagree with Matt on a ton of things but say what you will, he showed great character here.

@NO3V 7 ай бұрын

Too little. Too late. Should go back to dealing drugs instead - maybe daddy won't safe him this time around.

@eskamobob8662 7 ай бұрын

Eh, I don't realy agree tbh. He refuses to eat crow and changes the topic/non-sequiters every single time Jason trys to call him out on consistency.

@AliOfBaba 7 ай бұрын

Yeah after finishing I agree, he started off great but really pulled a Californian apology.

@charlie1832 7 ай бұрын

@@AliOfBabaI’m only 15 min into the podcast but I for one am shocked about that (heavy sarcasm)

@googleleavemynamealone9145 7 ай бұрын

Jesus crist dude, good lor do you have to be so nasty? He is so humble in the whole 2 .5 hr video and you still being mean? @@NO3V

@IchigoKurosaki011 3 ай бұрын

And now we have mass recall, but I'm sure people will continue to say the Cybertruck is fine

@archigoel 2 ай бұрын

LOL, areu new to automotive? Recalls are part of life. Also, not all code fix are same.

@valerystoichkov7429 2 ай бұрын

It also breaks down all the time and is hilariously bad at anythinh except drag rscing.

@RobFromDenver Ай бұрын

They’ll keep saying it’s fine and repeating a few variations of “facts over feelings” because they’re loyal bots for Elon. So yeah, Jason prepared a defense document. Others could show up with an attack document full of factual criticisms. It wouldn’t be hard.

@IchigoKurosaki011 Ай бұрын

@@RobFromDenver What a shame that he sold any journalistic integrity left to defend a horrible death machine

@sudeeptaghosh Ай бұрын

@@RobFromDenverlet me tell you this if you put your family in anything other than Tesla you are not taking best care of your family .. and this is a fact

@okgoogle4206 7 ай бұрын

Weird he didn't talked about Mercedes running ads in 2015 about their "self driving" car.

@davidcruz-ne9bl 7 ай бұрын

Just became a huge Jason Fan! Even though you could tell he felt some type of way about the attack on his credibility, his arguments were fact based and on topic without wading into personal nonsense and having to reference “expert” conversation

@JoelGraves 7 ай бұрын

Props to Matt and Co. for being standup individuals and allowing Jason to come on their podcast and spend an hr + skewering them for their mistakes to their face, taking it on the chin and owning it. Not many outlets these days would agree to something like this without spending half the time shouting him down and trying to discredit him/distract their audience. Jason started the conversation with the most important part, the KZfaq automotive space seems huge but really isn’t that big. Anyone who knows both these channels and people wants you all to be successful and is supportive of all of you.

@1flash3571 7 ай бұрын

Matt was still trying to justify his reasons, but all it is that he is a Tesla and Elon Hater. He goes beyond the boundaries as a so called Jounalists and uses his personal reasons why he hates Tesla and Elon as an reason for his judgement. This is what the main media does now instead of giving out facts regardless of their like or dislike of a company or a person. Everything is a half baked facts, and more of an PERSONAL opinions without real facts.

@tonespeaks 7 ай бұрын

@@1flash3571 That was right on point!!! I think we (the people) have been misled so many times by the Media that instead of giving us reality, they give us their distorted vision of reality. The one thing I will say in Matt's defense is that there is a difference between not having the facts and distorting them. Some people are not paying attention and try to fill in the blanks... this is what I think Matt is doing....I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here.

@TVoneone 7 ай бұрын

They're not being stand up individuals, they are sniveling (Matt and Zack, that is.) jason is taking the high road.,

@trentonfettig7265 7 ай бұрын

I'm curious how this would have gone if it were in person as well as if Jason brought the Cybertruck with. I would have had to make popcorn.

@tonespeaks 7 ай бұрын

@@trentonfettig7265 On a personal note, when I first saw the Cybertruck, I thought it was a joke and there was a "real" truck coming out later. Then I saw the truck in person at a local Tesla Store and I was in awe. I can't understand why there is such a huge difference but there is. The technology part is amazing. The proof will be in the pudding, on how well drives. that is what really matters, looks and all that aside, that is what should be the focus

@matg9654 7 ай бұрын

Jason gave you a valuable lesson on how to be an unbiased journalist. hope you learn

@eatsleepcarsrepeat4958 7 ай бұрын

The stuttering of Matt around the 42 minute marker was my favourite

@FirstLast-et3sw 7 ай бұрын

Jason takes Matt apart piece by piece. Love it.

@AlexanderGreb77 7 ай бұрын

Thats not what this is about, they are not that immature (maybe you are). It is all about being able to talk factual despite differences.

@magi115 7 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderGreb77 He used the legal system framework. I guess you think that is immature as well. I wonder what you do for a living.

@Tucker_Bear 7 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderGreb77 Smoking tire made it immature by offering to apologize then continue to make unsubstantiated claims and underdeveloped opinions.Jason shouldnt have had to take them apart, but they basically begged for it and Jason was 1000X more prepared.

@AlexanderGreb77 7 ай бұрын

@@magi115 I am doing pretty well. So now you know.

@user-xj5xp6qz5g 7 ай бұрын

@@AlexanderGreb77 Kudos to MATT for having the nads to hash this out on his own channel but his incessant deflection and complete inability to realize/accept he was proven wrong over and over is hardly adult.

@maxj.gutsmiedl796 7 ай бұрын

Matt. I might not always agree with your opinions, but I have immense respect for you as a person for taking responsibility and apologizing publicly. It speaks volumes to your character as a man and a member of the human race. I will always be a fan of you as a person.

@Heyitsallgoodman 7 ай бұрын

People give him so much shit but he always owns his opinions and mistakes and talks about them. More people would be better off learning from Matt

@Pccart1121 7 ай бұрын

@@HeyitsallgoodmanI think people give him shit for being so fragile when it comes to any kind of criticism, his hypocrisy when it comes to class that’s clearly rooted in the guilt he feels regarding his upbringing as a rich kid (just own it), and his open disdain for many of his followers and fans.

@domehead1004 7 ай бұрын

An actual “apology” usually includes the words “I’m sorry”, in active voice. Those words were never uttered. Instead, we got indirect statements, often with a “but” followed by a bunch of excuses.

@aussie_al 7 ай бұрын

@@domehead1004 spot on...100%

@Disco_Potato 7 ай бұрын

Went back to watch the previous episode before going into this. That did not come off as a friend criticizing a friend. That was a hit piece.

@ebbs0000 7 ай бұрын

Yer he's was being a real cunt towards Jason in it.

@Ludoppicco 7 ай бұрын

much love and respect to Matt, Jason and Zack for leading by example on how to peacefully talk through tough stuff … thank you

@Divinedanish 7 ай бұрын

Matt has Tesla Derangement Syndrome. Props to Jason for having a level headed take on this whole situation

@taylorc2542 7 ай бұрын

He left Twitter because he's very much part of the MSM journalists crowd. He doesn't like free speech.

@Bob_Smith19 7 ай бұрын

That’s not the only TDS he has.

@Divinedanish 7 ай бұрын

@@Bob_Smith19 touché

@garretreed9709 7 ай бұрын

That’s the best explanation for it. Was frustrating to watch him not let go of his points.

@legacytesla 7 ай бұрын

Matt is straight up 🗑️

@shuriken4852 7 ай бұрын

After watching this, my conclusion is that Jason is professional, well researched and as objective as he can and the other guy is none of those things.

@JeffKubel 7 ай бұрын

I... I.... I hear what you're saying.... but... Elon bad.

@mothaybabonnam5632 7 ай бұрын

@@JeffKubeluhm but uhm well well i mean well uhh in court i would say “elon opened the door”. (speaking to a guy who actually has a law degree hahahha)

@TedKidd 7 ай бұрын

ELON IS CALLOUS MEANY is pitiful argument! This guy needs to cut the estrogen supplements

@Json918 7 ай бұрын

@screenPhiles Ай бұрын

And you're entirely missing the point. Was Jason Cammisa's piece about the Cybertruck essentially fluffing for Elon Musk? Whether he was paid to do so or not, he was. That should be commented upon.

@justinmallaiz4549 7 ай бұрын

18 minutes in and I’m subscribing to Jason’s channel.. Over the years I’ve dropped (I think all) car channels for there lack of journalistic integrity

@NormanCanton 6 ай бұрын

If only politicians could conduct a debate at this level, imagine what we could do! You guys are awesome!

@mr2chet527 7 ай бұрын

Initial thoughts after ten min: Jason cammisa is spot on with his comments so far.

@diegosorochin5922 7 ай бұрын

after 2 hs.....Jason Cammisa is absolutely spot on.

@aussie_al 7 ай бұрын

After 2 hrs 36 minutes Matt is a stuttering, stammering idiot with no facts whatsoever. Jason wipped the floor with this hack

@nickgomez1883 7 ай бұрын

I’m not even a Tesla fan, but this episode made me so happy to see Matt’s feelings and hatred to Tesla get checked.

@robertpawley5715 7 ай бұрын

Simplistic and emotive opinion.

@tutalidge 7 ай бұрын

⁠⁠@@robertpawley5715as opposed to your banal and arrogant opinion

@735337707 7 ай бұрын

So why is CT not road legal in EU?

@Tamerleine 7 ай бұрын

@@735337707EU laws require the hood of a any vehicle to have a curve of a certain minimum radius, CT doesn't have curves

@RevJesse 7 ай бұрын

@@robertpawley5715project much? Smh

@chrism.728 7 ай бұрын

Jason brought actual facts to this debate, not opinions or feelings. Love the way he conducts himself as an auto journalist!

@nickemangione 7 ай бұрын

This was brutal to watch. Matt...you clearly have an axe to grind.

@Alex-lo8os 7 ай бұрын

Jason has really earned some well deserved respect. Matt can’t hide his personal biases. We all need to be more like Jason.

@christopherhale580 7 ай бұрын

💯

@Json918 7 ай бұрын

@youtuberpov 7 ай бұрын

I just realised I can listen to Jason talk about car tech for hours

@taylorc2542 7 ай бұрын

Just realized that Matt is a slob who hates Tesla/Elon because of free speech.

@Kocan7 7 ай бұрын

Check carmudgeon show and enjoy Cammisa's talks with 89yo Hyphen. Ok seriously, both podcasts are great.

@griffins750 7 ай бұрын

@@Kocan7damn it you beat me to it! 😂

@josephgolio36 7 ай бұрын

@@Kocan7hyphen is actually 94

@alfredodiaz7350 7 ай бұрын

Came here from alejandro flores' show just to watch the roast show! And jason camissa did not disappoint. The dude had the facts and receipts ready.

@akbarroosevelt2246 7 ай бұрын

Alex never disappoints with his roast recommendations hahahah

@JR10_RR 7 ай бұрын

Where Peasant Chat and TST intersect!

@akbarroosevelt2246 7 ай бұрын

@JR10_RR matt has as much credibility in the automotive segment as miss piggy does in the fitness category. Only came here to see this clinic put on by jason recommended by alex, who both have substance and credibility

@Wazootdrifts 7 ай бұрын

Awesome episode. Nice to see y'all air it out the way you did. Always love Cammisa!

@DR-zk2do 7 ай бұрын

Just became a huge Jason fan. Refreshing to have someone without bias but instead seeks knowledge and facts and truth. Rare today in the media.

@danharold3087 7 ай бұрын

Refreshing to find a youtube creator who do not totally live and die by clicks. KZfaq is like a kid teasing animals with food on a string. As soon as the animals get close they pull away the food.

@IchigoKurosaki011 7 ай бұрын

Without bias, races the cybertruck against a vehicle twice as heavy. Dude flushed his integrity down the drain

@evanobryant8045 6 ай бұрын

Check out his podcast the carmudgeon it’s great!

@Perfection645 6 ай бұрын

I hope you found his shows on Hagerty and Issimi; Icons, Spotlight, Revelations and Ultimate Drag Race are imo the best automotive content in the business

@Yash-ye1zq 7 ай бұрын

What I find amazing is emotion rules facts - Cammisa is the only one with clarity

@fraserwright9482 7 ай бұрын

I think he used it in the wrong perspective, Matt and other people are sceptical of Tesla because they claimed FSD and Autopilot work. Plenty of dead people and why you can't use it here in Europe. A fact would be if no one died and people said they did.

@808VH 7 ай бұрын

Farah has been spouting his thoughtless opinions about Tesla for at least four years. His car reviews are somewhat more professional, but still, he can't separate his politics from facts and change his narrow views. I am so glad Cammisa brought this to light.

@okthisisthelasttimeipromise 7 ай бұрын

To cite Missy Cummings as a reliable source is wild.

@user-fu8rv6oo8o 7 ай бұрын

Wow. What a beat down. This is what happens when logical argument meets an emotional one, lol. Loved watching Jason make this adult baby tap dance for 2 hours 😂

@viperd0327 7 ай бұрын

My hats off to Jason! He really was raw behind the scenes! Matt was more off the scales! All over the place!

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

@aussie_al 7 ай бұрын

I'm not coming back here again. Matt is a stuttering, stammering liar

@uzzyhr 7 ай бұрын

Can someone cut the parts where Matt talks

@solomongrundy1 7 ай бұрын

This is how you do debate. Listen to each other and be ruthless in seeking truth and humble in identifying bias. Thanks guys. What this did was educate the audience more than they otherwise would be.

@andymunoz3954 7 ай бұрын

Watching Matt And Zack get all hurt is probably the funniest thing about this video . “ thanks for explaining video production to me “ is where Zack crumbled 😂😂

@thigbreezy 7 ай бұрын

that was truly upsetting to here from Zack, guy took it 100% personally when Jason clearly didn't mean it like that

@IS300Spartan 7 ай бұрын

That part genuinely made me sad. Then cringe. Then just sad again. How one gets this triggered over absolutely nothing is puzzling to me. I genuinely thought Zack was the level-headed one of the two UNTIL I heard that. Funny how a single moment can change your entire opinion on someone forever…

@doodlebroSH 7 ай бұрын

what a fucking joke

@Joeslowcostlifestyle-py9ww 7 ай бұрын

Where was this part in the interview?

@thetumanshow 7 ай бұрын

Jason came prepared to use his Law Degree…. And also lined up his background to show his awards. Clever. Love Matt and Zack still, and that Professional Idiot too lol

@JeffreyFate 7 ай бұрын

Matt does a great job responding to Jason's facts with excuses. Really sad that this is the world we live in today.

@yutwob 7 ай бұрын

Sooo basically, Cammisa brought 2 hrs of thoughtful facts and logic and Matt brought 2 hrs of Musk bad = Tesla bad.

@Fielder5757 7 ай бұрын

The worst part is it isn't even musk bad. It's 'musk says things I don't like' so tesla must be bad.

@marcoslealdev 7 ай бұрын

Matt apologized. We should give him a chance. He was called up by a big name, not by little people like you and me. It will be interesting to see how things roll up from now on.

@gman3725 7 ай бұрын

Matt = opinion selling as fact vs. Jason = fact and tells us when he’s providing opinion.

@Yachtzeee 7 ай бұрын

Matt is drunkenly fixated on emotional facts.

@aeromtb2468 7 ай бұрын

“He opened the door”!!!!

@mothaybabonnam5632 7 ай бұрын

Listen to how he constantly stammers when confronted by Jason. Uh uh uh but but mm but like he’s got a stuttering provlem.

@aussie_al 7 ай бұрын

Matt doesn't have emotional facts, he only has emotion.

@Enword_Jim 2 ай бұрын

Well he's a leftist, soo...

@aeromtb2468 7 ай бұрын

Jason im a ME with over 25 yrs in aerospace and pharma production. you may not have gotten your degree but you got my respect.

@arwinvinnysardana3266 7 ай бұрын

I'm an EE and he has mine too.

@sooperman12 7 ай бұрын

1:18:24 Jason is literally schooling them.

@criordan5437 7 ай бұрын

Love me some Jason. Truly a inspired automotive journalist with bright insights that doesnt let politics affect his takes on vehicles

@theoneandonlybosable 7 ай бұрын

I do take issue with his idea that journalists shouldn't opine about cars and companies. If facts and figures are all that matter I might as well read a cars marketing brochure.

@justinschultz4325 7 ай бұрын

He was saying you can have your opinion, but the facts are still the facts. @@theoneandonlybosable

@Nathan_Adams 7 ай бұрын

@@theoneandonlybosable I think that is where the separation between a Journalism, Journalist and Columnist have gotten blurred/blurry. Journalists can editorialize and commentate, but journalism is the capturing or uncovering of facts that tell a story on their own, without editorializing. Obviously this can include witness testimony and interviews, which can be fact checked, but also people generally have bad memories or their brain tries to make sense of something foreign to them and fills in details that are not accurate.

@exer45 7 ай бұрын

@@theoneandonlybosable What Jason means is that if you call yourself a journalist of any sort, you should provide facts OVER giving your opinion. That does not mean you're not allowed to give your opinion but when you do give your personal opinion on something it should be stated clearly. Thats just what proper journalism means. And about the "if facts and figures are all that matter I might as well read a cars marketing brochure" is just wrong, the clue is in the word ''marketing''. Jason isn't marketing anything with his work thats not his job and im sure he knows that, he's just giving the facts and the results he finds and than sprinkling in some humor to make it entertaining. A brochure on the other hand well.. its goal is literally to convince you to buy something.

@theoneandonlybosable 7 ай бұрын

@@Nathan_Adams How a car drives is not the latest happenings in geopolitics, editorializing and opining is inherent to reviews of products that corporations ask people to pay for. Funnily enough MKBHD had a quote years ago about reviewing a consumer product- the facts can all be found on a spec sheet, the substance of a good consumer product review is opinion.

@theanthonyv 7 ай бұрын

Jason is a true pro. Always respected him but do even more now after this discussion.

@sparkpaul 7 ай бұрын

@Epacheco 6 ай бұрын

This kind of friendly strong minded, opposed points of view, respectful debating is 100% what we need right now! I really appreciate both of you got together to do this.

@cordeauxboi 7 ай бұрын

Super thankful for that there is one journalist, at least one, in the whole world holding themself to this standard and sharing the principle clearly. Also love how this is the most in depth Jason goes about all this stuff including with comparisons to industry.

@PAULO-px3or 7 ай бұрын

Jason has just schooled Matt on facts.

@Sessions1 7 ай бұрын

That’s why he’s triggered cause facts are facts

@HUMC5 6 ай бұрын

You must be new. Cammisa hides many facts in his videos so Tesla doesn't look bad.

@thegoodshot 7 ай бұрын

Jason's awards in the background is such a Jason move. That and making a 23 page .pdf of his rebuttals prior to the podcast perfectly encapsulates the difference between journalism and youtuber.

@adammarlin6324 7 ай бұрын

I think you meant to say a “lawyer” and a KZfaqr! He said he has a law degree in this podcast, and it’s clear.

@adamsebastian3556 7 ай бұрын

Great podcast episode. Love how you guys talked it out. Watched it all the way through despite only being familiar with Jason.

@ZondaF355 5 ай бұрын

This is a very important lesson for all Americans to learn. This has nothing to do with automobiles. This is the difference in real journalism and what people like Matt, a "journalist" consider journalism. One is soley based on facts and the other is based on human emotion. This display shows exactly how and what fake news is. It is so called journalist speaking on their emotions and actual facts. This is a modern journalism epidemic. Thank you Jason for doing your best to be a real journalist in a time where it is a lost art.

@DirtDude117 7 ай бұрын

I'm a Camisa-holic and I'm so excited to see these two butt heads in a friendly manor. Seeing Camisa argue FOR steer-by-wire while also saying "I keep my Elise to have the most direct steering possible" is such a good point. Understanding the other side of something doesn't mean you have to be FOR it!

@Mister_Typo 7 ай бұрын

Ten minutes in and I'm reminded why ypu two are my favorite journalists.

@shawoo 7 ай бұрын

You mean journalist and guy who sticks a go pro to the windshield and talks about what he feels

@1flash3571 7 ай бұрын

One is a professional journalist, and the other is a Musclehead who can't differentiate his biases and FACTS.

@landozilla5154 7 ай бұрын

Matt is not a journalist lol, I love him but he's far from it

@Mister_Typo 7 ай бұрын

To all three of you bozos - ok buddy if you say so

@BerkinE. 7 ай бұрын

Respect to Matt for owning up to his humanity ( we all do this shit and seldomly apologize) and Jason for defending his journalistic integrity with data. I watched Jason’s video and really underestimated how much thought has gone into it. RESPECT!!

@jamessolomon8465 7 ай бұрын

Matt I appreciate the last 4 mins of how you both came together!! Love it, shook hands well!! I would love to see Matt driving a CT!

@tehloling1 7 ай бұрын

Jason Camissa is the Norm Macdonald of the automotive world. Incredibly smart and articulate but doesn't present any of that when they are working. I'm very happy to see the maturity in this episode.

@Atomb 7 ай бұрын

Haha. Would not of thought of that comparison. Miss ya Norm!

@StephenDavidson5359 7 ай бұрын

There isn’t one specific reason why I listen to any one automotive journalist. That being said, Jason presents more reasons than anyone else. Your last name should be Charisma. You are my generations Clarkson. Entertaining, informative, funny, not ashamed of your boyish sense of humor. More than anything though, your content never disappoints and always makes me happy. Just make sure when you get stale you buy a farm 😘

@Rsmith420 7 ай бұрын

It’s amazing how people that don’t know what they’re talking about regarding new technology have such strong opinions about it.

@amagine1 7 ай бұрын

Something I've recently learned from a very well respected leader. Emotionally equipped and accountable people say "yes, and" emotionally immature and defensive people say "yes, but" "Yes, and " acknowledges the person's point, validates it as truthful and then allows you to make your counterpoint. This allows good faith discussion, and in development, interaition of the process. "Yes, but" dismisses the person's point and replaces it with your own. Never acknowledging that the other person's point might be the right one. Matt is very defensive even though, putting his apology in the precursor of the video. Take note of how many times Jason makes a very well articulated point, and Matt goes "yes but". Followed by an emotionally charged counter that doesn't interait on Jason's point but replaces it with his own.

@lowstrife 7 ай бұрын

Jason - your head is in exactly the right place. Self-doubing and keeping the ego in check is healthy, and required. But as an external observer, how you approach this (and all your other work) really goes to show why you're attracted such a large audience. You're pathologically knowledgeable on the subject and have done your homework. Keep it up man.