Exploring the Limits of a OEM 2JZ Cast-Iron Block | Over 1600 Horsepower Baltic Supra 2JZ Teardown

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Жыл бұрын

Lets dive into the limitations of a factory Toyota block and where we found a failure in this instance.
Pedro, Baltic Supra, stopped by with his near 2000hp 2JZ engine for a tear down and diagnosis after his recent engine troubles. In this case, it seems to have been a cylinder sleeve failure that simply wasn't able to keep up with the engine at this power level. While this isn't a common problem we see on 2JZ engines, it is one of the issues someone at this power level begin to encounter. To combat a failure like this, Pedro plans to take a step in the right direction with a billet block. While a stock Toyota cast block could be put back in, at this level it remains a gamble of not if, but when the block will let loose.
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@mjaymo Жыл бұрын

I'm not yelling at you.. ***Jay's internal monologue is yelling quite a lot!!*** 😂😂

@gerhardpotgieter9091 Жыл бұрын

Haha had the same thought!

@minibikemadman Жыл бұрын

lol

@Jr_5646 Жыл бұрын

Gave him the dad to son "I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed" speach. 😆

@BalticSupraRacing Жыл бұрын

Race Family. Thankful to have Real st in our corner from the earlier beginnings of Baltic Supra. Still blows my mind how far this car has come. Excited for 2023 #Billet

@CraaaigV302 Жыл бұрын

14k$ for a Titan Motorsports Billet 2jz race block

@joshr8680 Жыл бұрын

@@CraaaigV302 can get bullet for 11k

@ACommenterOnYouTube Жыл бұрын

@@CraaaigV302 Yea ... and and i am SURE he is not paying $14k for that billet block that Jay already has with his name on it.

@spooln30 Жыл бұрын

I think for your situation billet is the future. I sense a new Only Fans content creater incoming. 😆

@RustyWells2 Жыл бұрын

@@ACommenterOnKZfaq All of it!

@czjoe Жыл бұрын

Real St should award him a customer of the month award at this point 😂

@BalticSupraRacing Жыл бұрын

Hahaha 😂

@realstreetperformance Жыл бұрын

LOL!!

@HT2JZ Жыл бұрын

50% off a billet block

@czjoe Жыл бұрын

@@HT2JZ and a Real St. sticker!

@freedomfox8183 Жыл бұрын

@@HT2JZ I'd buy one if they 50percent off lol

@FastPaull Жыл бұрын

Jays outlook on things never ceases to amaze me. Dude is a straight up savant.

@realstreetperformance Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words Paul!

@perfecte99 Жыл бұрын

it takes real man to sit there and see you errors in front of you, and on video for all of us. thanks to both of you for sharing this content. keep pushing that supra!

@SHOOTSHOW00 Жыл бұрын

I would have said "I cleaned the inter-cooler and charge pipes so that had to be the Engine builders fault" LOL

@sepg5084 Жыл бұрын

@@SHOOTSHOW00 if that's what you would've said, you need to grow up or something

@SHOOTSHOW00 Жыл бұрын

@@sepg5084 I was kidding, chill out Francis.

@rickybailey7123 Жыл бұрын

Very true 👍 well said I wouldn't have been able to hold a streat face from being upset at myself!! Just me !!

@dsmfury Жыл бұрын

If I had more friends like Jay telling me how it is I wouldn't be so damn stupid

@turbostyler Жыл бұрын

The thing about Jay is he understands the pain of motor failures and understands the addictive drug of racing. I no longer have my own race car, but i live working on other people's. It's a lot more enjoyable when it's not your money you're burning anymore lol.

@imdlaw23 Жыл бұрын

Jay and Pedro are the new Dom and Brian.

@xTHHxAimiForevr Жыл бұрын

"This is cool and it's nobody's fault. This is not cool and it's somebody's fault" Bruh when I tell you I got quiet like it felt like a parent about to rip into me. Dudes face was priceless.

@mbdulka Жыл бұрын

OEM block with Darton sleeves will do more than the stock block without going full billet ... should work on that platform now. And 1st! :P

@ArthurSperotto Жыл бұрын

I've been looking forward to this video! Can't wait to watch the assembly of the billet unit

@fernandososa5547 Жыл бұрын

Love to see these tear downs … learned so much about HIGH hp quality builds

@altonb93 Жыл бұрын

You will get 99% of debris out of an intake or intercooler, especially an intercooler. You can spray with air and flush with water but you will have a piece(s) stuck inside almost always. It may stay stuck in the intercooler forever and be just fine or it may get unlodged and go through the engine. Always replace the intercooler or play russian roulette everytime you do a pass

@Boostedm3nace Жыл бұрын

It was comedic how this episode began 😅 I thought this was a re-upload and then quickly realized he blew his newest builld! Being competitive is a blessing and a curse. 😂 Thanks for keeping it real. He hasn’t stopped thinking about that billet block since you mentioned it in the last video. The very strategic placement paid off, Jay lmao

@noahnajor2408 Жыл бұрын

Damn! This video really hit home for me. Sometimes the old way is now outgrown and it’s time for the next part or configuration to support your goals. Going through this now with a transmission. Being at a crossroad is difficult because you don’t want to make a poor choice, or another poor choice lol. Thanks for making these videos. Super appreciate it! 🙏👊🏼

@RustyWells2 Жыл бұрын

You too together make some of the best videos I've seen on KZfaq!

@yellowrice1453 Жыл бұрын

Pedro-pulls up with blown 2J. Jay: this isn’t a junkyard this is a garage.

@altonb93 Жыл бұрын

I said a 10 second car not a 10 minute car

@Driftking305forlife Жыл бұрын

Man this happened to me too I know exactly how this guy feels.

@kanakaspec Жыл бұрын

Jay is an absolute genius and always informative!

@stevenhavick8579 Жыл бұрын

Love how Jay is straight on him about debris. Shows how much he cares more than anything.

@joerapo Жыл бұрын

I can listen to Jay talk engines all day long. Would be amazing to have an engine built by the legend.

@nuttingprofessor Жыл бұрын

Respect. Thanks for sharing.

@waqasasad4037 Жыл бұрын

I love these man videos man!!! Feel awful for Pedro tho 😭

@NaEveryday Жыл бұрын

Jay was talking to him like a dad talking to his son with the classic "I'm not mad at you I'm just disappointed"

@progressive_rc Жыл бұрын

Love your videos!

@4familyman Жыл бұрын

I was feeling bad for Pedro on that scolding 🥹😂😂

@AdinSLaboy Жыл бұрын

Learning stuff love it Jay such off real street 🏁 teacher💯❤💤🙏

@stefanroseEP3 Жыл бұрын

Look forward to the billet build assembly video 👌

@lowwlife1 Жыл бұрын

Love this channel! I feel his pain. I pushed the GEN3 Hemi platform from 2010 to 2015 trying to run 225mph in the standing mile. After destroying 7 engines, 3 transmissions, 2 convertors, I said the hell with it!!! I had a 3,100HP Twin Turbo BBC built for the car....Mo Money Mo Money 🤣

@PeakPerformanceReviews Жыл бұрын

Haha Nutter pedro! Can’t wait to see what comes next! Love Real Street ❤️

@artieclapham4148 Жыл бұрын

Stuff can get wedged really well inside an intercooler. They need cleaning really well or sometimes replacing if contaminated.

@mikec3142 Жыл бұрын

I like Jay's to the point and uses the situation as a teachable moment. Yeah it is a bummer that this happened, it was 100% avoidable. Mistakes happen, own them. Not going to do that again.

@balticsuprafan6896 Жыл бұрын

Race fam is a big W

@ohhman9400 Жыл бұрын

I wish I could relate but I only push 500hp in my 2jz lol but damn that's crazy how the block cracked like that

@edmundnlemadim8480 Жыл бұрын

AWWW MAAAAAN… I hadn’t been keeping up with Pedro for awhile and hopped back on YT to hop on his channel to see this 🤦🏾‍♂️😪😭

@TheNDFarmer Жыл бұрын

@8:14 Jay's looking real impressed 🤣

@SosopChabot Жыл бұрын

I would definitely take a close look at the hot side of the turbo after anything foreign going through

@KINZERS13GTR Жыл бұрын

So it's definitely billet? Not the Dart cast iron piece? Can't wait to see can't wait to see!

@jaymiedenardo8960 Жыл бұрын

I legit want to just sit in jays engine building room and just watch him build 2j’s and listen to everything he’s gotta say for literally my entire life. But I guess I’ll take it for a day. Lol

@lennixsingh626 Жыл бұрын

at 10:55. Btw the guys at Bain Racing in AUS always do chamber reshapes. They weld the damaged spot of cylinder heads and completely reshape it though both hand and CNC porting. They also it with intake and exhaust chambers.

@jagharingenyoutube Жыл бұрын

Reshaped heads are not unusual. But like he said, welding an original cast head makes it weaker. They are pushing it pretty hard.

@RustyWells2 Жыл бұрын

Not the oem one's.

@lennixsingh626 Жыл бұрын

@@RustyWells2 There are only OEM cast cylinder heads.

@Dtp2296 6 ай бұрын

I feel sorry for the builder, other guys an absolute wombat

@josephschmier3733 Жыл бұрын

Gate love that slippery slope.

@CarlosMontalvoGhigliotty Жыл бұрын

When you Discover with cash back and have Real Street number on your speed dial, perfect combo!

@doncarlson8391 Жыл бұрын

It's called, chasing the weak link. Fun, fun, fun.

@rickybailey7123 Жыл бұрын

Exactly what J said that feeling over looks the bad or we are just that much of a Adrenaline junkie!!!!

@stephanbrown2728 Жыл бұрын

Genuine question... I notice the Toyota oil filter. What oil viscosity is this engine running, and what is the micron rating on that filter? Any restriction on the oil flow through the filter? All bearings and journal surfaces appear to be living happily so I would assume no issue there but just curious.

@rcravincase Жыл бұрын

Any time i see a failure with metal in the air handling, the cooler gets replaced. If the customer declines, they have to sign a waiver that there is no warranty and the cooler gets cleaned

@raythor6581 Жыл бұрын

Nice

@beany1987 Жыл бұрын

He said their like family and he told him off like he's was his uncle how's been mentoring him 🤣🤣

@a.wheeler7731 Жыл бұрын

What do you think about using ceramic oil additives like Ceratec? Lots of coyote guys use it including me with good results.

@hyper8545 Жыл бұрын

Billet all the things 😤🤙

@Midnight_Rider96 9 ай бұрын

I would think the milkshake that went through the engine also had an impact on the bearing wear, not just aeration.

@alouisschafer7212 Жыл бұрын

Its amazing to think about it though: If treated carefully and with no NOS just 30-40 psi of boost, good AFR a stock 2JZ block with beefed up internals can easily make reliable 1000+hp. Pushing all the way to 1600hp on NOS aswell is the point of failure then.

@TJPDmember Жыл бұрын

"My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard" 😅 We've almost all been there, gotta laugh about it hahah, built it, race it, break it, repeat...

@salvatorehest5516 9 ай бұрын

Could you please explain how he could be more careful with the nitrous? I assuming maybe something like twin dry solenoids one larger one for transbreak and maybe a smaller shot than 150 if u want use it throughout the run

@96SupraTT Жыл бұрын

The 2JZ billet block is stronger (new with no mystery history), but it's not impervious to mishaps caused by an obsolete ecu's lack of sensors and controls. Also, since this isn't a street car anymore, consider if having a full wet block is necessary. None of the other MKIV heavy hitters run full wet regardless of what they tell you. Been that way for at least 15 years in my experience. Put the billet block money towards a modern ECU, otherwise this will happen again. I wouldn't run an AEM v2 (or even Infinity) on a BPU Supra.

@daltonhanleyjr4142 Жыл бұрын

What ECU would you run?

@96SupraTT Жыл бұрын

@@daltonhanleyjr4142 Motec M150 like every other MKIV Supra race car.

@daltonhanleyjr4142 Жыл бұрын

@@96SupraTT Thanks for the info. My car has been in the garage for many years and I want to revive it.

@lewisfk Жыл бұрын

@realstreet How about you build him a billet block on patron and allow us to subscribe? That will offset some costs!

@Rspsupraturbo Жыл бұрын

Jay, you need to talk to the roadkill guys to mod their 2jz death metal charger more!

@meatloafmotorsport4147 Жыл бұрын

Time to get that Dart block

@andrewweymouth202 Жыл бұрын

Someone needs to tell this guy that even 2jzs have their limits.

@Eduardo_Espinoza Жыл бұрын

Is it better to put in an A90 stock long &short block?

@whatthe363 Жыл бұрын

Wish I could work at Real st.

@jordanlatta Жыл бұрын

I see your problem. The ice cream in your engine melted. You obviously need a better freezer for that thing. Problem solved, you're welcome 😊

@anthonyconti1065 Жыл бұрын

Do you guys have any clue what kind of power the stock rb26 engine can take ?

@technology42069 5 ай бұрын

whaty are those horizontal scratches on the rod bearings??

@chuyjr8 Жыл бұрын

Any videos of his car

@pedrosousa3896 Жыл бұрын

Go hard or go home, only the Pedro's know that. ✌

@randomthing4639 Жыл бұрын

Time to try dart 2jz block

@inteligentvtec Жыл бұрын

Stock block will work filled with cement, but very heavy. Go solid billet aluminum no coolant on methanol.

@DavidRiggs-wb4de Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a dry sump with air/oil separator is needed... i know where you can get one! :)

@MadAdventure919 Жыл бұрын

At this level you must have DEEP POCKET of $$$ to sustain your hobby, otherwise you going broke fast.

@ryanpotter5002 Жыл бұрын

Great content as usual, what kind of boost level did this happen at?

@lennixsingh626 Жыл бұрын

around 59 with nos

@silverwolf4095 Жыл бұрын

@@lennixsingh626 around? So did he max out a 4 bar sensor?

@lennixsingh626 Жыл бұрын

@@silverwolf4095 dought it. 4 bar boost sensors aren't new tech anymore. compounds setups are reading upto 150psi

@silverwolf4095 Жыл бұрын

@@lennixsingh626 just wondering. Where is that 150 fogger? Is it really distributed across all 6?

@silverwolf4095 Жыл бұрын

@@lennixsingh626 manifold distribution can get funky at several bar, just with air.

@markanthonystringfellow3923 Жыл бұрын

An Ounce of Preparation is worth a pound of Cure :-))

@aragrox Жыл бұрын

I have a feelin that chip piston may be one reason why it cracked.

@slfrules1 Жыл бұрын

Time to try out the new Dart block? Oops there it was at 3:20. I thought they were out! dang. Talking about oil aeration and dry sump systems, what do you think about the Dailey Engineering oil/air separator that goes between the scavenge pumps and tank?

@lennixsingh626 Жыл бұрын

oil air separators are normally for r35's because they dont have a baffle system built into the valve covers

@slfrules1 Жыл бұрын

i mean one of these guys that sort out the scavenged oil rather than crank case separation. It does blow by separation as well tho. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p7CogLGUrbjaoIk.html talks about it around 1:20. I'm no expert of dry sumps but it seems like most just send foam back to a baffle tank and hope it'll settle. I've used the last bit of oil from an air pressurized bulk oil system enough that i don't trust baffles to do jack all about air milkshake. Also I don't know jack all about the hydrodynamics of a pressure pump to know how much sending in 20% nothing vs 5% changes what comes out. Seems like 15% density but sometimes ish isn't intuitive.

@lennixsingh626 Жыл бұрын

@@slfrules1 yeah it does, that the point of the product. but engines like 2j's and RB's don't need or use one because they have built in baffle systems in the cam covers. All the bad oil then goes into a catch can.

@slfrules1 Жыл бұрын

yea i know about those but a dry sump shouldn't have a pcv system or a catch can. I'm talking about a separator for the scavenged oil before it goes into the sump tank. Between scavenge pumps and the tank.

@bn468 Жыл бұрын

Pedro needs a Barra Turbo

@definitionmedia1130 Жыл бұрын

Your that 1 clown

@MafiaboysWorld Жыл бұрын

Said nobody else ever.

@ldnwholesale8552 Жыл бұрын

Limiting factor?? Std wet sump oiling. Wet sump to deaerate the oil, use an oil cooler. And external filter, With 3/4" lines.

@aggnal2892 Жыл бұрын

Cryo treatment + wpc coatings

@Fk8td Жыл бұрын

I know first hand making 7-8 hp per cubic in on a 2.0 it will tear stuff up if you aren’t careful.

@ACougarHunter Жыл бұрын

I guess I’m the only one who missed the ultimate cause of the failure. Was it the debris in the intake that caused damage in the combustion chamber, which then allowed water to enter the engine? Or was it something else?

@BalticSupraRacing Жыл бұрын

Exceed the power levels of the factory block. Car saw around 2000hp and the block gave out

@loganamurray64 Жыл бұрын

Too much power cracked the block, the beat up piston and cylinder head were unrelated to the coolant issue

@ACougarHunter Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the replies!!

@daltonhanleyjr4142 Жыл бұрын

I think Larry from Drag International with the orange S15 is running a cast block. You may want to talk to them and see what they are doing to keep their engine alive. Like others have stated in the comments your ECU is probably the cause of the engine failure.

@realstreetperformance Жыл бұрын

Their Block has the water passages filled making it stronger. Pedro wants to retain the cooling system so this cannot be done on his block.

@daltonhanleyjr4142 Жыл бұрын

@@realstreetperformance Thanks for the info. That makes sense. Are you going to upgrade Pedro's Ecu to a Motec like the one you run on your white car.

@christopherwilliams9328 Жыл бұрын

So what was your power at the time of it breaking...and what would you recommend me to do to my 2jzge non vvti to push it to 650-750whp

@chrisvandy3864 Жыл бұрын

A bloke I know here in Australia just went over 1000hp tires on a STOCK 2JZ GE , It only lasted a few months after that but lasted a few years running about 650hp tires , SEND IT 👍

@reubenmorris487 Жыл бұрын

Wish Jay could help me with a 4G63T "street" build.

@tysonrojas5477 Жыл бұрын

Needs his own series called broke supra 😆

@Monstero5o Жыл бұрын

Balls deep supra keeps breaking things

@dreednlb Жыл бұрын

Just how strong are billet blocks? Is there really no "mistake" that could be made that would break a billet block also?

@718stix 2 ай бұрын

We need a follow up....

@toughtimes721 6 ай бұрын

I think it's also very important to mention..many have done alot better with the jz then real st..has done.his style is drag motors. Seems to be others are doing better ..

@TurboVisBits Жыл бұрын

a better title would have been "man realizes why dry sump and billet blocks exist after trying to prove everyone wrong about stock block 2jz builds"

@keriesenpereira3587 Жыл бұрын

Watching from Antigua 🇦🇬 #268

@tadda6282 Жыл бұрын

Darts new cast block or go billet. I personally dont think the cast block is worth the price considering the extra weight added.

@user-sl8qg5up1x Жыл бұрын

👍👍

@spooler7828 Жыл бұрын

At least you have a billet block available to be able to buy. I am not so lucky. I need a Billet VQ block and a couple of my buddies do too.

@joshr8680 Жыл бұрын

What kind of power are you making?

@spooler7828 Жыл бұрын

@@joshr8680 Anything over 900whp it becomes a problem. Made 1004whp but mistakes were made on the tuner side. I have no choice but to turn it down.

@joshr8680 Жыл бұрын

@@spooler7828 even with a sleeved block?

@spooler7828 Жыл бұрын

@@joshr8680 Yup, the factory VQ casting is no where near as good as a VR38. If you drive the car and use it as intended, it will let go. 800whp is right where you need to be for longevity.

@joshr8680 Жыл бұрын

@@spooler7828 man that sucks, it really comes down to the manufacturers casting process tho B18 Honda blocks hold 1400whp B20 blocks crack at 350 just because a casting design