Exploring the WORLD'S RAREST Macintosh SE/30 Upgrade

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Thanks PCBWay.com - It's finally happening, after weeks of of not-so-subtle hints. And some of you totally guessed right! Today we're exploring one of the rarest upgrades in existence for the Macintosh SE/30, and then we're installing in the Cursed Mac. It's going to be wild!
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#Cursed #Mac #68040

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@ActionRetro 3 жыл бұрын

Curious why we call this the Cursed Mac? Check out the full playlist. It's a heck of a journey! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/at6Ffs6C3r-WZ2w.html

@andrive 3 жыл бұрын

btw you used #MARCHintosh in April

@goeland4585 3 жыл бұрын

The *_cursed_* playlist

@dbtest117 3 жыл бұрын

So does this card use the original ram memory, or is it separated. I have an SE/30 with way to little ram to run anything better than System6.

@kriswhite9324 3 жыл бұрын

@22:50 I think the VRM's are singing

@squiddobutboy 2 жыл бұрын

it's cursed because you have too much stuff you can upgrade

@seshpenguin 3 жыл бұрын

Holy smokes! This is the perfect upgrade for the cursed SE/30! Also the fact that you can switch CPUs on the fly is insane. This video was totally worth all the hyping up.

@ActionRetro 3 жыл бұрын

Thank ya!

@moduledd Жыл бұрын

Now it is more of a SE/40 actually.

@mndlessdrwer 3 жыл бұрын

Dang that dude's drag soldering is slick. Very cool to see people so enthusiastic about their hardware that they tinker so hard they completely reverse engineer it into a superior product.

@Voidsworn 3 жыл бұрын

...Finally! You sure know how to drag out the suspense.

@Voidsworn 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking...wonder what could be done with a FPGA "soft cpu accelerator" in that slot? Could reduce the cards needed/size.

@ganf 3 жыл бұрын

OMG, I was so hyped up for this!!!! Nothing better than a Saturday and some Action Retro

@Superspemo 3 жыл бұрын

I like your news site - so refreshing seeing a simple news site, which lets you focus on reading and isn't bloated to hell. Useful on a modern machine aswell

@OmegaEnvych 3 жыл бұрын

Ok, this is legit one of the coolest macs I've ever seen. Not that I've seen too many of them, but most try to keep their mac as factory original as possible. This one allows itself to be as insane as it could and I would be really interested in seeing Wolfenstein on this beast, that's for sure!

@goeland4585 3 жыл бұрын

You could probably try running a tiny doom port with this upgrade

@MarcoGPUtuber 3 жыл бұрын

Rare hardware? Now you're speaking my language!

@Cyber_Horse_Studios87 3 жыл бұрын

Man this is AMAZING. Imagine if someone managed to make a PowerPC Card that could fit into the SE/30. That would be INCREDIBLE!! Though heat would definitely be a bit of an issue too.

@g3monster89 3 жыл бұрын

There was one... it was for the 2ci I think with a 66mhz ppc 601 processor and was also a cache slot upgrade so the cursed Mac already has all the pre requisite requirements to make it work

@AiOinc1 Жыл бұрын

Surely there is some way to jam an 040 to PPC 601 upgrade into that CPU socket there

@jnjgerth Жыл бұрын

@@g3monster89 that'd be one to see

@cursedmacintosh2360 3 жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this...

@JamesnLollify 3 жыл бұрын

This mac is even more terrifying than a 5g nano with a large black spot.

@RisingRevengeance 3 жыл бұрын

na no

@JamesnLollify 3 жыл бұрын

@@RisingRevengeance NO

@couldntmixapotnoodle 3 жыл бұрын

@@RisingRevengeance Oh no my pk cell

@goeland4585 3 жыл бұрын

@@JamesnLollify yes?

@gmailer13 3 жыл бұрын

From cursed to blursed

@awsomewe360 3 жыл бұрын

That video card sounds like a good idea to get. Its sad to see, but also quite nice to see your Cursed SE/30 has finally ascended to its final form. It was a great journey.

@goeland4585 3 жыл бұрын

It's actually a cpu card :p

@awsomewe360 3 жыл бұрын

@@goeland4585 I know its a CPU, but near the end he mentions a GPU he could install.

@goeland4585 3 жыл бұрын

@@awsomewe360 Oh! My bad. I was getting hyped for it too! Haha

@erichilgart2865 3 жыл бұрын

Would be super cool to see the video card upgrade, replace the CD-ROM with a DVD-ROM (OR DVD-RW!!!) and watch some grayscale movies off DVD! (With audio out to a set of nice speakers, of course!) And maybe play some video files from a shared folder on a modern Mac 😃 Super awesome video

@gajbooks 2 жыл бұрын

A 68040 would absolutely be able to play MPEG with the decoder accelerator (I have one that does), but sadly DVDs use MPEG 2. It could totally play video CDs though, or MPEG files off a DVD (if the system had DVD extensions available).

@allalphazerobeta8643 2 жыл бұрын

The auto setting works by using the add button which appears next to the list box that says default. This add button lets you add programs that when loaded trigger the speed change.

@videostoreraccoon 3 жыл бұрын

It's the Mac SE that keeps on giving

@knghtbrd 3 жыл бұрын

Sean, where would you even PUT a video card in that thing? O_O Seriously wish the original owner could see this thing now.

@Kara_Kay_Eschel 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that the original owner would be cleaning out stains from their pants.

@FS--ew3se 2 жыл бұрын

@@Kara_Kay_Eschel 😳

@FlopFan69 3 жыл бұрын

Still more common than RTX 3090

@ActionRetro 3 жыл бұрын

Truth

@yolozwek_gaming 2 жыл бұрын

@@ActionRetro true

@simplyalonso 2 жыл бұрын

Quite truly!

@badcatalex Жыл бұрын

@@ActionRetro not so much so anymore

@weegeenumberone2 Жыл бұрын

Hell even a 4090

@flekkzo 3 жыл бұрын

It’s a shame that 68k CPUs are getting more difficult to find. Especially 040/060s.

@StumblrNoE 3 жыл бұрын

We've gone from cursed to possessed! This thing is terrifying, but it's amazing to see how far some of this can be pushed.

@juanroldan4379 11 ай бұрын

This is a fascinating snip of history. Kudos to you and thanks to Mr. Bold for his work. Your efforts are greatly appreciated.

@nicwilson89 3 жыл бұрын

Seeing a processor that close to the CRT which effectively acts as a capacitor for the tens of kilovolts from the flyback makes me nervous haha :D

@montypoes 3 жыл бұрын

How cool would it be if you could put a colour CRT in the Cursed Mac? Make it into a Cursed Color Classic if you will 😁

@kit7une_ 3 жыл бұрын

SE/30 hardware wouldn’t really support that unless you’re using an external monitor card

@montypoes 3 жыл бұрын

@@kit7une_ Well, he did mention something about a video card, so who knows 😎

@alextirrellRI 3 жыл бұрын

With the video card a possibility, finding a 9 inch color CRT that will fit and a way to drive it is the key. But yes that would be insanely cool.

@Cr0frog 3 жыл бұрын

What about a 9 inch lcd panel? It would trully make it cursed and would free up so much space inside the case

@kargaroc386 3 жыл бұрын

@@Cr0frog An LCD would have to be handled *very* carefully. The case is designed to look the best with a curved CRT screen in it. LCDs are flat. You *can* make it look better by making a panel that covers the sides, like i.imgur.com/hEYZUGy.jpg

@yorgle 3 жыл бұрын

This mac is freaking awesome! I'd never imagine so much great tech could be crammed into that amount of space. :D

@wesleymays1931 3 жыл бұрын

In 2 years, it'll be a techno brick

@andrewlyons9188 3 жыл бұрын

should insulate the sd with fish paper. Sometimes tape can become conductive.

@notanimposter 3 жыл бұрын

While a greyscale video card sounds awesome, my favorite video upgrades are definitely the Radius full page/pivot setups. The coolest multi-monitor setup possible.

@smbrannon 3 жыл бұрын

So, is Bolle going to be selling assembled versions of these?

@brydon10 Жыл бұрын

I love the work you put into your videos man. Keep it up.

@mikemoyercell Жыл бұрын

Excellent content. I really enjoyed watching. Must be fun to max that Machine as far as it can go with the org mobo. Those add on cards look to be high quality too.

@gregwtmtno5437 3 жыл бұрын

I saw the 68k news website on hacker news , and I didn't even connect it to one of my favorite youtubers!

@3rdalbum 3 жыл бұрын

I'm utterly amazed that you can literally switch CPUs on the fly, on an operating system that never expected to have more than one CPU in a computer. How is it even accomplished? I take it that both CPUs are on (after the control panel loads) and when you switch CPUs it copies the CPU cache and registers from one to the other and then tells the card which one to start sending instructions to? Fantastic piece of reverse-engineering and fantastic original engineering job by that company in the 1990s. Great video.

@gajbooks 2 жыл бұрын

Given that it crashed with a program open, it may just do some sort of funky system reset and leave non-operating-system tasks in an invalid state. Given that the entire OS is co-operatively multithreaded, I'm not sure why that has to be the case.

@UpLateGeek 3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah, I'd be taking a dremel to that heatsink to fit it in. That would totally be appropriate for the cursed mac! Now you just need a SE/40 badge for the case. Can't wait to see what happens with this next!

@VladoT 3 жыл бұрын

JLCPCB cameo in a PCBWAY sponsored video. Haha, great 🙂

@TheMalMeninga 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! What an interesting upgrade too, it's gone from cursed to...blursed?

@MistahMatzah 3 жыл бұрын

There are no color CRTs that will fit. They're all too deep.

@TheMalMeninga 3 жыл бұрын

@@MistahMatzah I think you might have replied to the wrong comment here, mate.

@KreeperSteve 3 жыл бұрын

This was definitely worth the wait

@brendanhoffmann8402 2 жыл бұрын

I've been running mini vMac with a Mac plus rom and some stuff goes too fast! I've got my system 6.0.8 (mini vMac), then my system 7.5.3 (Basilisk II) and I'm waiting on a Mac mini (2011) to run Sheepshaver for PPC emulation! Macintosh garden is amazing with all the downloads you can get for retro Macs! Wow! this is about the coolest thing I've ever seen! Love old macs. I did work experience at a Mac store when I was 15... The technician I was working with opened up a Mac all in one, can't remember if it was a mac plus or se but he touched the crt at the back and got a shock!

@DanaDoesStuff 3 жыл бұрын

This is fantastic! Makes me want to do this upgrade to my SE/30 too!

@UmbertoAmante 2 жыл бұрын

I installed OpenBSD on my SE/30 around 2001 and then thought about the futility of such an accomplishment considering I had an IBM Power 5 based server on order that would run Suse Linux 11, AKA, a real machine running a top OS.

@ryancallaghan3888 3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be able to resist the temptation to go for a cheeky overclock, with a heatsink and fan blowing in the general direction you should be able to squeeze a few extra MHz out of it, even on the worst versions of the 040, apparently the final revision could get to around 50.

@aljelja 3 жыл бұрын

yessss,was waiting for this long time

@APOTwixx 3 жыл бұрын

Great upgrade!

@jeffyp2483 3 жыл бұрын

i love this video! i love to be able to see this! (please do a follow up, im curious how the auto setting works with the example for why the shifter is there* *no spoilers ;)

@organiccold 3 жыл бұрын

Dam that's fast... Amazing project. About the heatsink you can do like they done in the B&W G3 Power Mac and remove some a part of it with a dremel just to fit

@Gamerbay2017 3 жыл бұрын

I was so excited for this

@gutless_worm 3 жыл бұрын

You could immediately tell that it was running off the 68040. What an amazing difference.

@a4e69636b 3 жыл бұрын

Great video. Thank you very much for it.

@katchakill7237 3 жыл бұрын

Great vid! But why have you put on that Apple-Sticker? Have i missed out on sth? Idk but with the oroginal logo it looks better i thibk

@jonasthemovie 3 жыл бұрын

The bondo job was botched.

@santospoland 3 жыл бұрын

You have an exclamation mark in the PCBWAY link. Great video, thanks!!

@ActionRetro 3 жыл бұрын

Ah thanks!

@retropuffer2986 3 жыл бұрын

Wow that's just fantastic!

@LetsPlayKeldeo 3 жыл бұрын

I waited so long for this video!

@ethanspaziani1070 2 жыл бұрын

this is AMAYZING

@mikequinlan9585 3 жыл бұрын

This is the best video so far!

@tenminutetokyo2643 3 жыл бұрын

That is awesome. The 605 was a pretty cool machine.

@JapanPop 3 жыл бұрын

Now for an 040 with a faster clock oscillator…one wonders is the 060 is compatible with the 040 architecture.

@MarcDoughty 5 ай бұрын

If i recall correctly from my days with a Carrera '040 accelerator... 030 is the original motherboard CPU. 040 Medium is the 68040 with some caching disabled for compatibility with a handful of janky apps that had trouble with the 68040. 040 Fast is the 68040 with caches fully enabled.

@IVan-jy8tj 3 жыл бұрын

This is so cool!

@AngeloTelesforo 3 жыл бұрын

Loved it! I’m also an accelerator freak. I got a PerformerPro for my Classic, but I could not install it because I’m moving and I’ll have to wait till I set to the new home.

@ZacharyButcher1334 3 жыл бұрын

seeing that old website reminded me of the OG spacejam website - what a beautiful time-capsule!

@RyanMartinez 3 жыл бұрын

How the Auto setting works it that you have to tell the control panel with which app it needs to automatically throttle down. That's why you have a list below that with an Add button. You have to explicitly tell it which app it auto throttles with. It's not obvious at first, but the list grays out when you take it out of Auto mode.

@ActionRetro 3 жыл бұрын

Ohhhhh! Thank you!

@jonasthemovie 3 жыл бұрын

The Carrera Auto mode isn’t auto. It is preset, you have to add the different programs to the list I reckon.

@ActionRetro 3 жыл бұрын

Ohhhh that makes sense

@duodave 2 жыл бұрын

I had that micron card, it was awesome. It’s only flaw was every 6 months or so you had to pull it off the CRT and clean the connectors.

@AmaroqStarwind 3 жыл бұрын

Now I want an "Improved Clone" of the GPU in the original XBOX. Something that would be both Pin-and-Binary compatible with the original, but a lot more powerful.

@AmaroqStarwind 3 жыл бұрын

This reminds me of my 68k dream machine. A seamless fusion of the Macintosh SE, Commodore Amiga, Atari ST, Atari Jaguar, Sega Genesis (Mega Drive), and so on... Just merged into one machine as if it were always meant to be that way. Unfortunately, the machines are all so different that it just wouldn't actually happen IRL. The only thing they have in common is the 68000-family processor at their heart.

@ToTheGAMES 3 жыл бұрын

Awww yessss. Here it is!

@tenminutetokyo2643 2 жыл бұрын

I bought my Mac Plus that very year and a brand new IIci 2 years later. There was also a company called Sonnet which made CPU accelerators. I think they are still around.

@TheUfens 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing!

@DavidStahlOLDHAPPyMACs 3 жыл бұрын

WoW Sean That Is One Sweet UpGrade I Think The Curse Has Faded Away

@tegrocket 3 жыл бұрын

Great! subbed!

@XalphYT 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, new viewer here. I have a question: What makes this Mac “cursed?”

@ActionRetro 3 жыл бұрын

Welcome! I found this thing already with the paint job, and all sorts of crazy stuff inside it. Check out the playlist! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/at6Ffs6C3r-WZ2w.html

@richardbrobeck2384 3 жыл бұрын

very cool that would be a great up grade for my Mac Se/30

@moccamixer Жыл бұрын

I had a hard disk upgrade for the mac 512 which allowed to connect a hard disk. Since there were no scsi ports it clipped to the buses on the mainboard. Crazy times

@OMightyBuggy 3 жыл бұрын

I wish there was more love for the Mac Plus. Can't find any accelerator cards for it.

@MrLurchsThings 3 жыл бұрын

Just checked the 68k thread you linked to, looks like it went dead at the beginning of February. Is the project still happening? What’s happening regarding availability?

@kargaroc386 3 жыл бұрын

You need a Micron Xceed with the grayscale adapter in this, its the only way.

@RikerJoe 3 жыл бұрын

Whoa, take my money Bolle! 💵💵💵

@carlweston4808 3 жыл бұрын

The Quadra 605 was my first mac, got it from sam ash here in nyc...

@artisticleo 3 жыл бұрын

Do they have add-on cards like this for the prior model SE Superdrive at all? Cant find the SE-30 or any of the accelerator cards for less than one lung and a kidney anywhere.

@adamjg4 Жыл бұрын

Boy, what a rabbit hole I stumbled into here.

@robertlaunder638 3 жыл бұрын

Love that single bit asteroid picture

@RichardiOS275 3 жыл бұрын

you should definitely try chuck in a colour CRT in that thing

@andresbravo2003 3 жыл бұрын

Surely this could be very intense!

@bokexd3173 3 жыл бұрын

4:53 i have the same tweazers,although diffrent font,and that SONNET e gpu case....

@macpb2892 2 жыл бұрын

Hi! I own 2 sccelerator cards: the Hypercharger 020 and the Siclone si3033, do you have manuals and / or drivers for those cards? Thank's!

@cyberdharma1020 3 жыл бұрын

what an amazing mod! did I miss them saying if it was available for purchase?

@opless 3 жыл бұрын

Totally get that video card!

@LazyBunnyKiera 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, did you insulate the capacitors on the scsi to SD adapter so they wouldn't short anything on the back of the cpu card?

@ActionRetro 3 жыл бұрын

Hah yep, I used an insulating sheet that came from an old laptop hard drive

@akaJughead 3 жыл бұрын

Sorry if this is off topic, but thank you so much for Frogfind. You actually gave me a reason to connect my retro PC to the internet.

@whette_fahrtz 3 жыл бұрын

that big apple sticker looks awful

@cylurian Ай бұрын

Are there any more of these cards sold? I would love to have an SE/40.

@Darknecros7 2 жыл бұрын

I would love to see that Mac upgraded to full greyscale. If you haven’t already, you should make it your mission to make the cursed Mac the most powerful Mac possible that can fit into that form factor.

@thomasb.900 3 жыл бұрын

I have a radius rocket 68040 accelerator card, and a macintosh iisi, i plan to put it in it, would you happen to know if the extension in the video might be compatible with my original card? I can find the original radius extension but i think it only works with system 7.1, would be cool to try and have a 68040 iisi running 8.1

@kaitlyn__L Жыл бұрын

Most of the 040 speed comparisons I’ve seen have been on Amigas, good to know the difference is about the same on a classic Mac!

@cyricm2000 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the make a lcd screen replacement for Macintosh se

@onigvd77 Жыл бұрын

the link to the 68k site for the card just goes to the homepage, is there a better link out there to the article for these upgrades?

@runningat50hz 3 жыл бұрын

I have a Micron on my SE/30, but the grayscale adapter is nowhere to be seen. They're as rare as you can get. I had some emails from the original owner of this SE/30 I have where he spoke to Micron themselves asking about compatibility with Mac OS 7.5.5, which was absent. I can't get any of the original files anymore (OG 250MB Quantum HDD died), but I remember the answer was "only runs on 7.5.3 rev 2", so if you happen to get one, keep that in mind. I don't think anyone has made any hacked drivers for newer version of Mac OS, and the original files are already a nightmare to find, so keep that in mind if you happen to get one. Even if you can't get the grayscale adapter, the Micron can output to a secondary monitor on it's own, in glorious 640x480, 256 colors! I think that's very awesome by itself!

@MikieLAX 3 жыл бұрын

Search Google; there is a guy who reverse engineered the Yoke card and now manufactures them.

@kbhasi 3 жыл бұрын

(17:47) That now reminds me of the 'turbo' button on PCs of the time…

@MikieLAX 3 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know where to find the Control Panel that put a virtual 640x480 screen into memory and allowed the 512x384 screen to be moved all around the virtual screen? This allowed certain software that was 640x480 to run on the original Mac LC 512x384 monitor and I think might work on the SE/30, as well.

@JessicaFEREM 3 жыл бұрын

This was worth the wait and anticipation, I meant to comment this a while ago but didn't for some reason

@hicknopunk 3 жыл бұрын

My Mac iici runs unix with IE 5.5 🤣🤣 set that up 10 years ago for the lolz. I have a silly 4 meg graphics card in it too, full case length 😂 64 megs of parity ram as I sware it is slower with 128. I love making old computers from my childhood better