0:56 1:00 The Samsung Galaxy Note debuted in 2011. The *_Note 7_* was released in 2016. It was only the *_Note 7_* which had a battery issue.

This is the kind of useful information that is needed to understand the real risks. Great video.

Great video - thanks. A minor point: an airplane with an emergency doesn't have to "turn around." The nearest airport might be in front of them.

Congrats on reaching 12k subs, Patrick!

Am I the only one who misses the "gold old days" of flying where you just had to worry about Karen's crotch goblins crying the whole flight? Now you have to worry that those crotch goblins have chinese crap that will start on fire for pretty much no reason. But don't worry, she will talk to the manager.

Li-ion batteries can produce huge quantities of explosive gas. This is more common in the malfunction of a low/half charged Li-ion battery. There is a guy on KZfaq that shows these vapor explosions from batteries. He mainly talks about the problem occurring in EV cars and scooters. But any Li battery will do the same in an enclosed space that reaches an explosive oxygen fuel ratio while exposed to an ignition source.

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That is concerning, I grew up around aircraft, commercial and private since the mid '60's. If the crew drops the ball what could one do, never really thought about it, really ironic banning hand lotion and they have known of these numbers... Maybe rip the carpet off the floor so it would only produce its own smoke in the cabin.

This is really scary. The quality of batteries varies so much and it's hard to tell which ones may be worse. In general, batteries from Japan or Korea are better than those from China. If you're shopping online, do not get the lowest cost battery.

Well Patrick mate this is some really scary stuff and I am concerned not only because of the heat that these batteries give off and the damage to the aircrafts structure but also the extremely toxic gases and materials what are now contained inside what is basically an aluminium cylinder with no escape if the aircraft is at say 35,000 feet - what then??

Hey Patrick, thanks for putting this video together. I had no idea there were that many consumer device Lithium battery fires. Having made a career in the aircraft manufacturing industry, I can tell you that smoke in the cockpit is the scariest event a pilot can experience. Fires, especially in the cargo hold, can easily take down a plane. Fresh air in the cabin is quite limited, as fresh air intake reduces the engine efficiency (or fuel mileage), so this is kept to a minimum. The cabin air system mostly filters recycled cabin air. Given the toxic/flammable gases Lithium batteries put out when on fire, this becomes a huge concern. Since these fires erupt very quickly, this becomes a problem during an emergency because, it takes at least 20 minutes to land the plane when at cruising altitude. If a Lithium battery catches on fire, it must be dealt with immediately using effective measures.

Good informative report, information we should know.

Good to know, especially about the increase in hazard with fully charged devices.

Battery technology still has a long way to go. ESPECIALLY for EVs 🚗🚘

Yea it's a serious problem. A tiny air bubble could expand with the lower pressure and easily cause a thermal runaway. I'd imagine the failure rates of devices manufactured at sea level, and then taken to 8000ft(cabin pressure) is a lot higher.

The old dude getting in a fight with the guy half his age and twice his size is hilarious 😆 You could tell who the aggressor was, throwing b slaps while the other guy calmly stood his ground with a raised fist.

Really Good Video !!! With the damn stuff made in China, it gonna get much worse! As a pilot, this is a great concern. Best Regards, from Alaska!

"Toys" with a CENSORED bar across it.

Great vid! Seems to indicate mechanical damage is the biggest problem for these smaller packs. Nice to know that overcharge isn't really a problem any more. Remember late 2000's early 2010's videos of laptops erupting in flame?

TSA doesn't limit the size. FAA does.

It’s a miracle that anything with these batteries can be legally made, sold and used, let alone transported. Back to Metal Nickel Hydride then?

Seeing them spray so abundantly inside an aircraft cabin, I wonder: do those fire extinguishers still contain PFAS?

lots of people wont check valuable items because they refuse to chance it getting stolen.

All that extra oxygen and no escape... Yep, stopped vacationing out of province years ago due to the increased airport security, looks like I made the right choice for more than 1 reason.

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Please explain “Socks” I have never heard of that very interested.

I use only my a cell phone, and it's an old phone and once in a while, I use my 2007 iPaq 210(windows modile device that is extinct). That thing cost a lot at the time, but it was built to last and still works as well as the day it was made, ane its only a single core processor. It's very hard to get lithium tech right. I even got tired of battery powered watches and got me a beautiful modern pocket watch that winds up and you can see the gear work. I have physical barometers that can tell me if a storm is coming an the humidity and temperature. The swift pushing for lithium tech to dominate, is wrong.

You mention fire bags, do fire bags work? Should homeowners with e bikes store the e bike in a battery bag, especially when charging?

E-cigarettes and portable battery packs are usually very poor quality... nobody wants to spend as much on them as they do a phone or laptop.

At any one time there is an average of 10,000 planes in the air. The risk from a escalating battery threat is less than -- you judge.

What about the toxic fumes in the cabin?

i thought it was a new song of explosions in the sky

I have had a note 2 and note 20 puff the batteries but did not have a fire both puffs had enough energy to shatter the otterbox cases the 20 was a phone I was actively using and the note 2 I had retired and it lasted it 6 years acting as my alarm clock

Why was the picture of "toys" censored? Hmmm

What happens to the toxic fumes the battery gives off.

Imagine Harbour Air operating from Vancouver BC converting their SEAPLANES to electric. If the plane's battery has thermal runaway in flight, there is no way to escape alive. The battery should be mounted so that it can be jettisoned and the plane could just glide to an emergency landing. Built-in battery would mean certain death to all aboard.

Are those coffee beans roasted in house fires?

Lithium-ion batteries are supposed to contain 2 IC protection. Fake Integrated circuit chips are a huge problem offering no protection. 2nd problem is space the circuit board and chips take up a very small space, by not installing you save money and can use a cheaper Lithium chemistry for the same capacity.

So can i get a LTO powerbank?

Call me a dinosaur, but I still only use Ni-MH (nickel-metal hydride) rechargeables for my portable gear, including my camera equipment and RC model aircraft. I've used 'Eneloop' batteries since 2012 (they're made by Panasonic), all of which are still going strong after hundreds of cycles. I bought a proper 'smart' charger for them, and they're really good - robust, consistent, and undemanding. My only lithium battery experience has been entirely negative, with my 10"-screen tablet (made by Bush). This began to fail after just 10 months of use. What a load of rubbish lithium batteries are. A replacement would have cost almost as much as a new tablet, so... I took the duff battery out and converted the tablet to run on a small 240V mains adaptor (I'm in the UK). I love running things off the mains. It's what we used to do with analogue radios and cassette players before integral lithium packs arrived; you could either use replaceable batteries or plug an adapter into the wall. Very civilised. Now you can only run the charger/adapter THROUGH the onboard lithium battery (for tiresome 'smart tech' reasons🙄), and when the battery fails, the device is useless. I only use my tablet at home, so I don't need the mobility afforded by a battery. It's very liberating. Lithium battery tech really is garbage where value for money is concerned.

Sorry as I do no know , if ? Others have talked about they now use?? a brine mix , salt and water to short out and cool the lithium fires . As the battery burning produces it''s own oxygen. So water is not of much use. More trying to put the word out so that others know

I don't use airplane mode when in a plane, I just turn my phone off and charge it at my destination.

I thought they were banning the charging devices

They explode during luggage handling because those luggage dudes smash bags horribly.

Airplane needs a airlock to throw things out from the plane!

And all of the carcinogenic fumes were confined to the passenger compartment. The air would be ultimately recycled, filtered and cleared but.......

The smoke thats released is highly toxic and flammable as well. Ion batteries should be replaced with a more stable batteries. 🤔

It depends heavily on what kind of battery that is, most laptop, phone batteries are isolated with fire-retardant material. So even if a cell fails it can not spread to other cells or device itself so there is only a smoking device. However especially cheap chinese batteries don't have such an isolation rather cheap flammable plastic inside batteries which causes other cells to fail and fire spreading. Lithium-ion battery failure is actually a thermal runaway not a fire and absolutely nothing can stop it. But as long as it doesn't effect other cells and cause a chain reaction it is completely fine, at worst there would be only some gasses/smoke generated by thermal reaction. This is also the reason why they sometimes explode, gasses are stuck inside battery until their pressure is high enough to cause an explosion. We know how to make them safe but ofc their capacity decreases and they become more expensive so there are still tons of cheap dangerous batteries circulating around..

And there I have reason number 101 that I will not get on a plane.

Sooooooo no EV airplane in the future then? Would you guys get in one?

These batteries are the main reason we should demand power windows at each window seat and for those smokers that just can't follow the rules. 😉 I don't know how many times I have had to warn parents with kids being babysat by an iPad that they need to make sure they keep an eye on their sugar hyper child and the seat reclining and folding table. If they give me grief, I wait awhile then head to the washroom and let the F/As know of the potential danger. Most F/As don't seem to care at which point I just casually ask them if they have enough bottled water, a bucket and long oven mitts just in case junior decides to BBQ their seat with their iPad. That usually gets a reaction. 😊

A lot of stuff, very cheaply made by Chinese manufacturers have lithium batteries now, even clothing or accessories. See Chinese e-bike mass fires…

What happens when 25-50% of vehicles in garages below businesses and apartments are EVs. Fires will greatly escalate, the water suppression system does little to prevent the spread, increasing the likelihood of additional EV batteries igniting. Or when there are enough EV passenger and school busses. Just think of the children. (That's what the other side always says to support EVs.)

Planes no longer have air scrubbers so a smoking battery fire is going to be toxic to all aboard the plane.

Lithium is a highly reactive material, so how is this at all surprising to the so called experts?

Lithium batteries need to be banned aboard planes. Doesnt matter if its in phones, laptops, hearing aids or anything else. Ban them outright onboard planes regardless of charge level.

The FAA says there are 45,000 flights a day in the US. That equates to 1 battery fire every 260,714 flights. I wouldn't be too worried.

I question the battery quality of manufacturing. I've never had any battery issues every. But i see EVs and other types of transportation spontaneously burst into flames. Those things are not something that I'd own.

Was that a joke or do people really bring battery powered socks on flights?

What happened to Samsung? When did they turn to complete crap? They used to make pretty good stuff.

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Could it be x ray scanning causing the problem.

TOYS hahaha lol

ALL LYTHAM BATTERIES NEED TO BE BANED AND SENT BACK TO THE MAKERS.

Only an idiot would put a battery in their checked luggage. I do not even keep an alkaline battery in my checked luggage. They are all in my carry-on luggage.

God I miss my Note 7. Best phone ever made. It was totally worth the risk.

I would not trust some karen stewardess to manage a phone fire.

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Lithium-ion battery fires can happen to anybody at any time. Audience wishes hapless victims all the best. Cheers!

I can tell you now it's horrible quality chinese batteries with really badly made BMS's. so many chinese cells coming out in the market

Leon Musk will explain all of this away at his next cheer leading session.

So is this just an anti battery channel?

What nothing about the released crash tests involving EV vehicles and NO post or T rails and the amount of destruction the weight of these vehicles have, even before the batter compartment is compromised.?