@@jamesdelap4085 Wrong. It was in the 11th century that clerical celibacy was formally defined as a discipline, in the context of the Great Schism (1054), due to the “political” ecclesiastical necessities, with the disputant parts in the schism reinforcing the Latin over the Greek traditions and vice-versa, as a corollary of the dispute (traditions with small “t”, since Catholics or Eastern Orthodox don’t understand priest celibacy to be a doctrine, rather to be an ecclesiastical discipline, therefore it is not into what we call the ‘deposit of the faith’, meaning it is not what we name the Apostolic Tradition - with capital “T” - in the theological accurate meaning). On the other hand, it is nowhere true that this was a medieval invention of the Catholic Church, like in some sort of Protestant propaganda used now and then by anti-Catholics Eastern Orthodoxs, specially new converts. That is simply not true. I understand your points, but I would say that many Apostles were celibate (among the 12, St John is the greatest case; and St Paul is the most prominent figure in this; the only Apostle we know for sure to be married is Peter because the Sacred Scripture talks about the cure of his mother-in-law). Even St Peter being married as an Apostle do not mean the married apostles or at least Peter had regular familial lives after following Jesus. When Peter said to Jesus that he had left “everything behind” to follow Him (Matthew 19, 27), we can dispute what he meant by it but most of the historians doubt that Peter had a regular and normal marital live according to the state AND the apostleship, as if St Peter’s wife and kids were there following Jesus every time in His public ministry (that’s a possibility, but nowhere registered, even is historical narratives) and much less that wife and kids went to Antioch or Rome altogether with Peter to live like a normal Palestinian gathering of husband, wife and kids, just like a regular family living abroad. Even if we understand that St Peter carried sometimes his spouse (vide 1 Corinthians 9, 5), well, on the very least history denies this version of the “regular marital life” of the married Apostles with the same effusiveness it affirms St Peter was in fact, and undoubtedly, a married men when he was called to be an Apostle. Mandatory celibacy was only in 1917 formally added to the Code of Canon Law. But the antecedents for it are old enough in the West, even being related to the canons of the Council of Elvira (approximately 305-305 AD) and the Council of Carthage in 390AD (not a schismatic council, just to register, but one in full communion with the Holy See). We know the practice evolved from a more clear message of “clerical continence” of the ‘proto-beginnings’ of the Church to a rigorous form of clerical celibacy in the West, just like in the East the clerical continence continuously evolved to mandatory episcopal celibacy even though they would not demand it for the presbyterate Holy Orders degree.

@@jamesdelap4085 GOOD! GOOD! LET THE HATE FLOW THROUGH YOU!

@@jamesdelap4085 I don’t know what any of those words mean in conjunction with each other. Completely incoherent drivel.

@@rschiwal There have been so many hates in these replies to your comment. Can you please delete your comment? I say this as I hope you are a good person

Russel Schiwal, this points to your dichotomous words : No miracle but Transubstantiation!!!! Transubstantiation Is the Biggest Miracle of all time, dating back to The Last SUPPER. If course you wouldn't mean to self-contradict !?!?

Thank you, Mary

Yes, I'm so unworthy but and I can't fathom how the Lord still allows Himself to enter me

Becoming the body of christ is something that has not met its burden of proof! Nor has God or miracles. Proof any and change the world and save everyone from eternal fire for their thought crimes 🤔

@@jeremymichur890 y'know that's kinda the point of evangelization...

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This is from the long version, wherein he did so

E. Rivera I think that there is one on The Catholic Talk Show.

@@baconsarny-geddon8298 somebody is upset.

@@baconsarny-geddon8298 Atheism is not grounded in morality nor in laws of logic. If Atheism is true, then all morality is only a matter of opinion. Without an ultimate moral standard, you cannot say what is truly good and what is truly evil, only what you think is. With an objective moral standard, morality is set, and no matter what anyone says, what is morally good is good no matter what others say, and what is evil is evil no matter what others say. In terms of laws of logic, you have to start from some sort of grounded base for your worldview. From the Christian religion we can see that the universe is set and ordered and governed by natural laws that allow for a universe such as ours to exist. Even Hume understand that without God, we shouldn't understand the universe as ordered, rather, tomorrow everything could be chaotic and we wouldn't be able to determine how things are supposed to be ordered. But yet, here we are waking up the next day finding that we live in a universe with set natural law that allows for life on Earth. As a note. I notice this with many atheist, or at the very least those who are anti religious such as yourself. Extremely arrogant, thinks they know more than what they actually are ignorant of, and extremely prideful of their perceived intelligence. Please learn to be humble. It will do you some good and will give you greater peace in life. I pray the peace of the Lord will be your guidance in life. You sound like you have much restlessness in your soul and your searching for other things in life that are not of God himself. Christianity is not always easy to follow, but it is worth it. Here is something I want you to consider, "Do not always strive for what is easy, but rather, strive for what is meaningful." The Christian life is what truly brings full meaning for a person. I pray you'll one day come to know Jesus Christ himself and live a far better life through him. As mentioned before, Christianity is not always easy, but it is worth it. I'll leave this last note here. if you do respond, depending on the response, I may or may not respond back to you. It just depends on how your attitude will be. The Lord bless you and give you peace in life.

you see, the fact that a video had already been shot makes us suspect that there was a scam in progress .. real miracles happen where and when you least expect it

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But there is probably a totally normal explanation that you are refusing to consider

​@@cmhardin37 nope there has been Eucharistic miracles. What type of man are you? One with no dignity!

Could you explain specifically how it happened? Like, was it when the priest was holding it up? When? I’m just curious because I’d want to know what it’s like to see a eucharistic miracle. I hope to see one.

Rome can overrule

The Vatican heavily investigates these things, and then presents the evidence to a neutral to hostile panel, often blindly without informing them who they are or what they're investigating. When the miracle involving a nun & St. JPII occured, the vatican simply asked neurologists how and if it was possible for her to suddenly stand up, walk to her pen, and write in her advanced stage of illness, and only after they got an answer (no) did they reveal that they were Vatican representatives investigating claims of a miracle. Similiar to Lourdes, for something like 400ish confirmed there are 40k "possible" that can't be definitely confirmed as impossible spontaneous remission. To be blunt, the Catholic church approach claims of miracles as skeptics, so that when they declare a miracle worthy of belief, the faithful can rest easy, at the expense of writing off likely cases.

Because it's fake. Fake is the best word for events that are "faked".

i saw it just light reflection !

@@user-xh4ng1il6f Perhaps. But when the light appears in the form of a dove, that's something beautiful. Never underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit my friend, especially within the Church. God bless.

You’re not a baker are you? Those hosts were recently baked. Texture changes. They took recently baked hosts, completely changed the environment by placing them on that tray thing and put one of top of the other. So the one of the bottom was being affected by the plate underneath, the change in exposure to air, a temperature change and the weight of the host of top of it. This isn’t like placing a sheet of paper on top of another: Those hosts being freshly baked is what’s important because they’re still going through a chemical process.

I'm not a baker, but I have baked bread and pastry. I doubt it the hosts were still hot or even warm. They are usually prepared not in the actual church, but in some other building and then transported to the church, they had to be cooled down and set by then. But even if they were warm the pastry that comes fresh out of the oven is puffed up and then kind of deflates as it cools down, it conforms with the dish where you put it. I mean, I have never seen any piece of bread or pastry puff up as it cools down. It just doesn't happen. Let him make an experiment and show it, show a host, warm or cold, would pop up when you put it on a cold concave patten. Otherwise it's just his opinion, not an explanation.

@@kakocusezvat7508 I wasn’t saying the hosts were hot out of the oven when mass began. You bake a loaf of bread and it’s going to have a different texture on day 2 than it did on day 1 right? Make a pot of chilli and it’s going to be thicker tomorrow after sitting in the fridge overnight right? Foods go through processes. Change the environment and they change too. You have to remember how tiny the hosts are compared to the bread you bake. When you bake bread, is the surface of the bread completely smooth or does it have dips and raises all over the place? Have you ever left tortilla wraps out? The edges will start to curl up as the air gets at them and it doesn’t even take very long. And they’re way bigger than a host. Of course it’s just a theory. He said himself “I think I know”. Even if he tried and failed to replicate it, that proves nothing. It was a freak thing. It would be hard to force something like that to happen again. There’s no way to be able to control all the different things that would have to go into how it happened the first time. He can’t possibly recreate two hosts that are identical to the other two, on purpose. It happened by chance the first time. He can’t control it to make it happen again.

@@trickortrump3292 Exactly! He cannot recreate this event so he cannot prove that it wasn't a miracle. He can't be sure. Exactly my point. He was too quick to dismiss this, and his explanation is not convincing enoughsince things like that don't usually happen, that's all I'm saying.

@@kakocusezvat7508 lol it’s a bit ridiculous to expect him to prove it was not a miracle. “Things like this don’t usually happen.” Kinda like miracles? You don’t know how quick he was or wasn’t to dismiss it. You’re actually doing everything you’re criticizing him for. You’re automatically trying to reject his explanation. You’re saying the rarity of something like this happening is a reason to dismiss it, which implies that literal miracles are an everyday occurrence. Do you even understand why expecting him to recreate it would be impossible? You can’t even expect a pitcher to throw the exact same pitch twice. It’ll be similar but it’ll never be exact. You’re expecting a priest who wasn’t even there but watched something happen on crappy video, to be able to bake two hosts with the exact same texture, grooves, bumps, creases, thickness, everything as the first two. That’s literally impossible. You can’t assume what he’s saying isn’t true based on an impossible test you’ve given him.

Não para a ciência. A transubstanciação é um milagre do tipo inobservável, onde não há como observar pela ciência. O milagre científico é aquele que é observável, claríssimo em nosso mundo.

Grow up

That would be cannabilism

@@retic67 precisely, only Jesus can make it possible and no other... if Jesus was only human, then yes it would tantamount to cannibalism but becuase He is in spirit now, he is not bound by matter,time or space. He can make himself present at the word of his anointed priest becuase He gave them this authority at the last supper and then by laying of hands, it was handed down through centuries to priests of this day. The line continues and will never be broken becuase the gates of the underworld cannot never stand against it...

@@navinfernandes747 Jesus never required us to perform Babylonian rituals, in fact he made it clear not to do it! Consuming bread and wine in his name will not get anyone into heaven( any space above your head) more assuredly than the next person. I would suggest to anyone the works of Alexander Hislop( Two Babylons) or James George Frazer (The Golden Bough), as a start to understanding where these types of rituals truly originated from. These reads are very eye opening, to say the least. Only when we start seeking an understanding of the language and cultural times of the scriptures will there be any progress or reconciliation for the church. Until people stop listening to Brother so and so, that has really zero qualifications to actually TEACH scripture, will knowledge increase and nonsense rituals like this will cease. Jesus told not us not to look externally for him for he is within.

@@retic67 pls read what the early church fathers said about the eucharist.. they truly believed that it was the body and blood of christ. Seems you are refuting scripture when you say that Jesus never asked us to celebrate the eucharist.. "do this in memory of me"..

@@retic67 Man, why do people trust "experts" and not Friars and Priests who are literally formed on the Tradtions and Cultural Foundations of the Church. What did the Church Fathers actually say? How was Tradition Articulated? Shouldn't we hear from the first Christians what they did at Mass instead of from a few discredited Experts of our modern days? Upon these things are formed Priests, along with Philosophy and Theology.

EXACTLY !! 🌹🌹

Do read my response to this priest in the main Comments. It gives you a picture of how much water his "scientific explanation" holds. One doesn't have to OR not have to believe. Fair enough. But to offer viewers a hole-riddled take, on this Serious subject, blew my tolerance fuse. Look, believe/don't believe is everyone's Right. And therein ends all argument. Moreover, IF the Phenomenon does have a valid counter point, we'd welcome it with open minds. That said, the flippant, hollow and Oh-so -wise account by this cleric is an insult to even average Intelligence. Fellow Catholics here, may we stand by our priests in so long as their words aren't taking us for a ride. I absolutely love this Channel and cannot fault the hosts if a guest or so doesn't take us viewers seriously 🙁. ❤and daily prayers 🙏🙏 for all the faitful worldwide.

​@@marietheresa7866 yes can't allow priests to doubt miracles

And thats how the devil is going to get you and mislead you. You shouldnt be following coincidences. Something happens - pray on it. Dont just believe every coincidence. Thats how i was led out of the Catholic Church and into a cult.

Nice indeed.

papacy debunked (youtube) I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _ CHRIST alone John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. ACTS 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” There is only One Mediator between God and men, LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by One Spirit to the Father John 15:5 5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. Colossians 1:19-20 19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross. _ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop All Believer of JESUS CHRIST are Royal Priest 1 Peter 2:5,9. Revelation 1:6 Work of God = John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” _ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad. A verse against the position of pope, 2 Thessalonians 2:4 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. _ When a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all Gal 4:21-26. _ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles Even old Old Testament says Christ intercedes for us Isaiah 53:12 12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors. _ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? Lord did gave the keys of death and hades to Apostles. But after their death, only Lord Jesus has the keys of death and hades Revelation 1:18 _ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit) 10)King Soloman messed up 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20, 1 Corinthians, Galatians. 14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9 15) Paul and Barnabas both had a sharp disagreement on John Mark( Acts 15:36-41). And remember that both were Apostles filled with Holy Spirit. 16) Church in Revelation 2:1-6 Lord Jesus Himself said to the church of Ephesus that "I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars" but guess what that church still had problems and Lord also pointed that out "Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love......" So as you can see Churches can do Biblical and unbiblical things at the some time. _ Breaking the 10 commandments by having statues, carved images, idols, changing the Lord's Sabbath to sunday.

Yep as if doubting isn't already evil!

Exactly. And the miracle occurred exactly when the Priest say the consecration prayer. It is a miracle because it seems the priest didn't even knew or noticed what was happening..

I saw though a very small round shadow crossing over the white table mantle from the front to the Eucharist! Like something was flying above and when it reached the Body, it levitated. I believe its a Miracle. The interviewed Priest should thoroughly investigate it by interviewing the French bishops, priests and the Trappist monks who were present there. That would be the best instead of debunking it right away. And if it is true, I wouldn't want Jesus to be hurt. It was Trinity Sunday yesterday and Pentecost last Sunday, may the H.S. enlighten us and guide us always. Amen. 🙏🙏🙏

Easy to do with magnets.

Is this Mark Hudson the music producer!? My prayers have been answered. You are now a practicing Catholic!!

Hello, there is actually. It comes right before the transubstantiation part of the mass as included by the Holy See in Vatican II.

Yes it does. Just before the transubstantiation, Vatican II included it.

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Vatican 2 is not an Dogmatic Council

@@lozspennymoor Go read the canon again. It's a prayer before consecration that the priest says. Vatican II may not be dogmatic, but it reformed its processes when it came to the holy mass. This included the inclusion of the epiclesis. So, unless you're one of those schismatic heretics, this shouldn't be new knowledge.

@@lozspennymoor Ever heard the part "...make it spiritual and acceptable, so that it may become for us the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ..." Then after that, the priest says "On the day He was to suffer..."? Yeah, that first prayer is the epiclesis itself! The 2nd part is the consecration proper.

But this one did.

@@patri1689 and it was fake

@@thescoobymike "For those who don't believe no amounts of evidence convince, to those who believe no evidence is necessary."

@@patri1689 I'm a gerbil

@@thescoobymike What do you mean??

I think it could be considered a sign. But to be considered a miracle, there can’t be a natural explanation for what occurred.

@@jim-baron A genuine signs, as we find them in the narration of the Gospels, are called miracles. The host defied gravity. There was no contact below or above. It occured exactly at a time of consecration. What more this clever priest wants?? I've seen it many many years ago and his explanation is the worst I've ever heard. This is a problem with modernity n modern priest---trying to be more clever than been humbled by this kind of miracle. There is NO reason why the host behaved as it did if not some kind of transcendental power from Most High.

Yeah,this is fake.

@Angel Never was?? It is a real Eucharistic Miracle. The priest is merely trying to be clever. There was no two hosts but was only one Host. Too bad the priest couldn't see what took place. Why was a host remained flat suddenly began to hover at the command of the Holy Words of Consecration??

“Duplicate the PHENOMENA “ …..

For the record, I don't believe you're supposed to chew upon the Blessed Body of Our Lord. I was told during RCIA to allow it to soften and dissolve on your tongue before swallowing it. Obviously I'm sure you mean nothing wrong by it, just bringing it up. God bless!

@@TS47YT I don't know who told you that, but I heard that from older folks around where I live - it was never what the church taught or did. You're supposed to actually EAT Jesus' body, he even uses a word in the original text of the gospel that translates more to "gnaw" on it, or a word describing how animals eat. And you don't eat your meals like that, just letting it dissolve on your tongue do you? And he tells us his body TRULY is a meal

No chewing please!!! Search it. I know vídeos in my language not in English, otherwise I would give you right away.

You're not supposed to chew him 😭

@@saoirseryan2546 Please read the Bible where it speaks about this - it tells you exactly what to do as V's comment states above.

What about Fatima?

I see a miracle every time I participate in the Mass.

Fr Ripperger said its because the Church is farther away from being Holy as it was in the earlier Church. It's still Holy just not the degree.

@@gerettaball7867 you would think in times of unholiness then God would become more active visibly like in the OT when Israel turns from God

@@graysonguinn1943 that is just his opinion. He is an exorcist but not an authority. Priests at one time we could consider an authority but not sure that's true anymore. I know there are always wolves among the sheep. Not just now, but all through Church history.

Reread the definition of miracle.

A vocabulary lesson won't make something thats never happend suddenly happen

Jacob Jensen - ok jake. Believe in your gods of naturalism. Actually as with most great scientists in history, like Newton, Pasteur, and others I realize that science is the study of the natural NOT the supernatural. Run along now to your little man made gods.

@@Crusader33ad The only one here with a man made God is you. I believe in and worship no gods. A miracle by definition would violate the laws of nature, so what's your point exactly? Cause that made no sense. That is not what science is. Science is a set of tools to be used and applied to many different things. Also Newton was an alchemist, not exactly what I'd call the study of the natural.

Jacob Jensen - obviously you have no knowledge of the scientific investigations into miracles. So I’m wasting my time.