+WhiteZerko You must be an explorer! lol. Nice catch

😂 well spotted

Holy Shit, so genius...

+WhiteZerko must be an explorer ;)

+WhiteZerko My mind is blown o_o

or trolls.

+Sporkaganza Or sadists.

+Sporkaganza yeah ussually some kind of 13 year old kid with parents that dont care about him taking his/her anger on others.

Billy Hatzi 'killers' is kind of a misnomer. It's anyone who preys on the weak for "S and giggles

+Sporkaganza Human nature, dominance = success so humans tend to feel happy when they exert their dominance, the key word is tend. I fall into this group along with explorer

@@CaptainScarf ah yes, murder

For example i am a killer in wow but a socialist in animal crossing,an explorer in hollow knight and an achiever in a hat in time

I feel like that’s mostly because of how each game puts emphasis on different aspects of our personalities. I believe we all fall into one archetype or another, period, but that doesn’t exclude us from having elements of other archetypes. So we are more likely of falling into a ‘secondary’ archetype if the game we’re playing puts more emphasis on those qualities. For example, I’d say I’m primarily an Explorer, but I have that highly competitive quality that Killers do. So in games that cater more towards Killers, I’m more likely to be part of the killer dichotomy, as opposed to the Achiever or Socializer archetypes.

I don't switch types between games. but I've seen my friends do this. Like we'd be playing minecraft and I'll be consistently exploring and achieving, but my friends will either be socializing or killing one another. But I don't change a lot, so I'll be showing them the new thing I found in the nether, and they'll follow me around because it's interesting to them in their own way. Like the social friends will use the striders to travel with one another, me and my explorer friends are finding more biomes in the nether while my achiever friends are following along for xp grinding, and of course my killer friends are finding ways to turn the piglins against eachother. So we'll flip from each type depending on the circumstances.

@@13Rats to be honest....i like kiling more...though i can switch inbetween them depending onthe situation Example:if i want a cool set of armor i need to start achieving If i want some cool bits of lore or secret powers i have to start exploring If i want help to organise an event i start sociolizing

AI makes all things possible.

Did you ever find a solution?

nope@@kxmode

Explorer!

+Extra Credits I see your Rickroll game is strong, WP.

+Extra Credits I think I'm an achiever, but I'm not sure. I play games start to finish but I usually don't go for the 100%. I found in my recent play through of Fallout new vegas I stuck to the main quest and usually did not venture off. I feel like I'm too nice of a guy to be a killer, but I will do the ocational spawn camping in tf2. I might be a socializer, but, since in a mmo I played a while back I enjoyed helping out new people.

Explorer/Socialiser , a type of hybrid between does two.

all of the above achiever to complete the game explorer to see what can be done (usually on a second play through) killer when when the others have brought me strength which can be competitive in organized pvp and socializer when I have reached a point that its fan is a part of me

+The Beaver King me too :)

+The Beaver King Same here, I just enjoy the world period.

+The Guardian of Time (GoldLight64) So when I am playing a game that has a "100% of map Explored" 'Cheevo.... yaaassss!

+The Beaver King I'm definitely an Explorer, but I like to explore the limits of the game mechanics, with quirky builds, unplanned synergies, latching onto secondary objectives, and abusing weird power curves.

+The Beaver King I guess Im 70% achiever, 30% killer

Jarid, I think those people who spend their time "doing nothing" fishing/farming/hunting in solo games (you picked really good examples of typical single player game side activities!) could probably be classified as Explorers (because they're exploring niche game mechanics that flesh out the game world), or maybe Achievers for some (because side activities often have completion-based rewards and achievements). Games like Animal Crossing are centered around those types of players (with elements of social gaming built in).

Just call them Owners They do their own thing

does "only plays a game for the sandbox mode" count as a do-nothinger? if yes, that is me

those are basically the middle

Trophies also give you a "score" as well, no? With trophy levels and stuff.

+DiscoClam Trophies also give you a scoore, the trophies have point associations and it's easy to compare with your friends on PSN

+DiscoClam It's really easy to game Xbox achievements. Just play a bunch of games with garbage achievements for a quick boost.

I'm not talking about the score, I'm talking about the reason you WANT to earn the trophies and achievements, besides 100% completion. The small touches that show the mentality of the two companies.

Nice analysis! I wish the playstation/steam system of rarity was more ubiquitous, I shoot for the crazy hard and weird achievements but don't really care for my "high score' so I'm always dissapointed when that's the only metric.

+scarfacemperor 10/10/10/10, max value on all axes, i.e a nice diamond shape on the diagram.

Cool

I'm late af, buy imo explorer-achievers are people who enjoy exploring the game to better understand it's mechanics and become better players

@@yonyon5432 Which of course leads to asserting dominance in someway.

I think killer-socializer would be trolls that dont betray them like you just said, just annoy them in the chat or something else.

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+Aegix Drakan I'd say that's a Socializer. Even if it's not a specific person you're directly interacting with, you're still exploring someone as a person: By immersing yourself in the world, you're getting to know the designer, and the characters they create.

Depends on who you'd rather role play? And with who? Would you rather play with good friends or you don't care that much as long as you're enjoying yourself?

+Aegix Drakan Depends on whether you are talking about online or offline RP. Online RP tends to be more socializing, whereas offline tends to be more similar to exploring.

The only respectable way to be of the "killer" category

+TacoSteven I was about to make this comment too. It was an interesting idea, played it when it first came out, but after a while it felt like some paths had more thought put into them.

+TacoSteven Its by design. I was following Wildstar's development a while back, and I recall Bartle's Taxonomy being specifically called out, by name, in one of their pre-release dev blogs or some such. They built the path system with that in mind, and with the direct intent of giving some form of tailored side-content experience for every player group on the grid. I never got into WIldstar, might give it try again someday now that its free, but credit where credit is due; the path system is a fantastic idea and one of the best innovations to the MMO genre in a LONG time.

+TacoSteven Checked their web, went onto their FAQ aaaand... "How did you come up with these Paths?" "Have you heard of Bartle types? Our Paths are loosely based on those. But mainly we just looked at the ways players play MMOs, and designed cool content around them."

+TacoSteven I think that is amazing. I had a lot of fun being an explorer in that game =)

I was going to make this comment as well, hope it gets brought up in the rest of EC's discussion on the taxonomy. Although it feels in some way Achiever is lost out on in wildstar, as the scientist is more of an explorer path but in a less physical sense, while the other three align fairly well to the taxonomy. Each path rather segments every thing an achiever could want, making it actually more difficult for them to be fulfilled by the game.

...I meant the other kind of Origin. like in a graph. at the center.MajkaSrajka

+cable c Lies. Only Our Lord Gaben will save us.

+MajkaSrajka Aren't you a little short to be Lord Apocalypse? Though I guess the new movie might not have him quite so tall... O.o

me too

+BB5 Productions yeah they can

+BB5 Productions A lot of games combine multiple if not all the profiles in some way. JRPGs : secret bosses/dungeons stronger than the story ones, lots of exploring to do), Far Cry : lots of achievements, lots of exploring, MGS games : lots of secret items unlockable by completing certain challenges (like finishing the game without killing anyone), lots of easter eggs, "Soulsborne" games : Explorer/achiever/killer/socialiser (exploring is important to find valuable items and optional locations, the gameplay gives a great sense of achievement, and the online part rely on helping/killing other players), MMORPGs are another example of games that try to please the 4 profiles (lots of exploration, PvE, PvP, raid dungeons, guilds...).

+BB5 Productions Gravity falls + Nacho's? Great :D And yes they can overlap. I'm more like a social explorer.

Very rarely. The only person in my experience who's a mix is RockLeeSmile . And I've been bracketing people for years. Even non gamers. Just look at kids in high school and you'll easily divide them into these four groups.

MajkaSrajka Comfort zone? Exactly. If one has a comfort zone this chart works very well. Do you know what I mean? IMHO I don't agree with your opinion. Peace.

Griffindor achievers, Ravenclaw explorers, Huffelpuff socialisers, and Slytherin killers.

Though Harry Potter most probably are closer to Keirsey Temperament. They are pretty much the same though

〈-thatguyoverthere that is an excellent observation

〈-thatguyoverthere Hufflepuff being socializers? Nah, theyre just losers

Philosophers Stone was published in '97, Bartle's paper in '96. It's entirely possible (depending on when she started writing) that bartle influnenced JK Rowling.

What's elo ? Dwarf Fortress rules!!

+Flailmorpho So playing Lux top and orianna support in s3 makes me an explorer I guess...

+Flailmorpho Some socializers are very toxic. Some smurfs are killers who simply want more relaxing play, not wanting to deal with bots who practically wall hack.

+MajkaSrajka is that the same at an MMR? (match making rating)

+Simply Solus Socializers wouldn't be toxic as toxicity is covered in Killers. "Any way to taunt other people" loosely includes their own team, but the "assert dominance" is itself a definition of toxic players. They degrade others to make themselves feel better, and to make others feel bad, instantly giving them a step up in their eyes.

these are literally not the MtG archetypes, those descriptions are all wrong

same

+Najarala That is one of the tricky parts about balance. An 'ideal' game (whatever that means) is not a perfect balance of the play types, and different balances will attract different players. For instance look at EvE, who's mechanics (and marketing) heavily favor the 'killer' archetype, to the point they struggle to keep the other types interested. There is constant argument over the needs of the various groups and their patches show a back and forth while they try to figure out how to draw in the players they want.

+Najarala I think that will be in the next episode.

+Najarala Where'd you get those numbers? I tried looking for some but only found a survey of Everquest players (the type of game greatly affecting the spread?) their numbers were 34% explorers 25% achievers 23% socializers 15% killers books.google.com/books?id=Re8tGpC6_PsC&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=Achievers,+Explorers,+Socializers,+and+Killers+percentage+of+players&source=bl&ots=2nS_fqXruo&sig=MCg9kVLRahMb6bs8yLLPuRWmHk4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CD4Q6AEwBmoVChMI_8bf3N_CyAIVyCiICh28QgOO#v=onepage&q=Achievers%2C%20Explorers%2C%20Socializers%2C%20and%20Killers%20percentage%20of%20players&f=false

+neeneko Even killers have a hard time staying interested in EVE. I played if for a while.... but any more, all the actual content is built for players who have been playing the game for years and have all of the character skills on one alt or another.

Well survival games (rust, reign of kings, etc,) mostly consist of killers. And they are extremely annoying. Killers are really just dicks

You mean "flamer", "douchebag" or "scum".

Well, I disagree, since a achiever may have good items and can protect themselves pretty easily, obviously if they're high ranking, which they'll achieve or have already achieved, and killers may not be that powerful

+Mohamed AlNass Me too :)

+Mohamed AlNass Yup, I'm totally an Explorer, with a little bit of Socializer. Although I think I prefer socializing with NPCs over other players XD

+Crazy Boy Studios it sometimes depends on the game like cod killer most of the time xD

hard to say...but maybe action gamer , I don't think there's just 4 different kinds

Depending on the context, I would either fall into the Killer or Explorer camp. It might seem odd at first, considering that they're opposites on the chart, but it also makes sense. In both cases, I'm the one in control. Killers use their skill to control the outcome of the game when playing with other players and explorers choose their own path rather than letting the world dictate their actions. (as opposed to socializers who rely on other people to accomplish their goals, and achievers who follow the path laid out before them) It's quite interesting how combinations of groups create their own characteristics. As a killer/explorer, I'm sort of a lone wolf kind of player who likes to put their own skills to the test and doing their own thing. Somebody like +ZeldaCraftr who is an explorer/achiever could be described as a completionist. They too like exploring, but for the reason of finding everything there is to do, which is different from the curious exploration of a lone wolf. You could keep going and make connections between other combinations. Here are some of my attempts: *Killers/Socializers (Squadmembers):* Like to interact with other people, whether it's competitively or cooperatively. Players who typically like team-based competitive games (MOBAs for example) might fall into this category. *Killers/Acheievers (Elites):* Players who strive to perfect their skills and try to outdo other players. *Socializers/Explorers (Casual players):* Players who play more for the experience of playing rather than for the sake of achieving goals. They might like to play with their friends, but do so mostly to have fun. *Achievers/Socializers (Collaborators):* MMO / coop players. People who like to collaborate to accomplish goals that the game's world presents them. I guess you might even go one step further and combine things even more to create groups like Squad(Moba)-Elites and so on, I suppose.

Stefan Stranne That Meme will never die, and I appreciate that fact.

😂 guess you couldn't be bothered to re-type 👍

Except in CO. :( Pokémon GO lasted **a** week in this town - cause there wasn't anything to appeal to these four.

no not really, killers have nothing interesting in pokemon go. i guess there are gymn battles but thats not there killers thrive. the reason why pokemon go became so big, is becasue they managed to combine the real world and the boring part of pokemon(which was running around from town to town for no damn reason...)

my bad it's 5:58

OH SHIT, IT'S MCREEAM!!!!

I think that category sounds very similar to the Achiever mindset, maybe with a bit of Explorer added to the mix. Although building large structures might not be an overt objective, it's sort of an implied challenge in games that facilitate building, so there you have the Achiever bit. Also, to build really advanced structures, you generally need at least some advanced knowledge about the building mechanics, meaning that some level of exploration is required. Another way of looking at it is this: Building large structures is very clearly a way of acting upon the world, and if you need to go around gathering resources to build with, you also need to interact with the world a bit. Going by the graph at 5:13, that places "builders" mostly in the Achiever quadrant, but leaning a bit towards the Explorer side.

Huitzilopochtli i think there is more to the achiever type than just acting on the world, the challenge and acknowledgement part is an important part and your typical achiever does not like single player minecraft creative mode, nor would an typical explorer. Similarly there is more to the drive to build than acting/changing the world, that the change is constructive and targeted is crucial but acknowledgement, exploration and achievement is irrelevant , they will like single player minecraft creative. I predict that builders and achievers act and want very different things from their games, but that they are consistent in their behaviour with little overlap between groups. When the game mechanics support building, achievers build monuments or farms, socializers build clubhouses or communities, killers build fortresses or traps, explorers build labs or camps but each of these are functional serving an in game purpose. Builders build for the sake of building, generally their works are non functional in a sense which just does not apply to the other arketypes. 5 clusters always fits the data >= than 4, but i would wager there would be support for it even accounting for this. Put another way, if there we limit ourselves to 4, building might remain while the others get reshuffled. To be clear though i propose an extension to the model.

Wouldn't a large construction without other functions than visual appeal count as a "monument," which you put as an example of what achievers might build? And I personally think constructing things definitely counts as acting upon the world. As for acknowledgement, that depends on the person and situation. I mean, I consider myself mostly an explorer but also partly an achiever. Whenever I accomplish something challenging (getting 100% completion, succeeding with a self-imposed challenge, et cetera) I usually talk to a few friends about it, but I generally don't make too much noise unless it's something insanely difficult. As a side note, I may have misunderstood what you mean. When you were talking about creating large ingame structures, I thought you were referring to people who do that with the explicit intent to show it. People who do things like building a 1:1 scale model of the USS Enterprise in Minecraft and then post it on KZfaq.

It can be, and yes for a typical achiever it would be, in particular if it serves the purpose of visual appeal, my idea is that there is a group of players for which it isnt, where the result appealing or not does not matter. I think of monuments as anything which serves to honor or glorify the subject/dedicatee - displaying ability is a very straightforward way to do that. The difference to builders lies in wheter the construction process or the result is the part they enjoy/ find important. Asking would i be the slightest bothered by someone else taking or receving all the credit for my work? is a decent separator. An acheiver would care, a hardcore builder would not. Another example is if some asked me to help them build something would i ask why, what it is, who to do it with or what tools i can use? With regards to acknowledgement the most common kind is self acknowledgement, we value making efforts, but that isnt what drives a builder. You are correct, "large" was an ill chosen word, prolific might be a better one. Fundamentally you are right, they act upon the gameworld but placing them with the acheivers is a severe modelling error. If you do youll conclude that since acheivers generally prefer that everyone plays by the same rules so that acheivements are comparable allowing mods might actually be a bad thing or likely not important to your mostly acheiver playerbase. But builders thrive upon modding since sometimes the thing they want todo just isnt in game or too grindy. Think about how much minecraft changed the rules, atleast part of this might be because everyone played by a rulebook which hid this drive from developers.

Ah, now I see. I misinterpreted you before, and now that you've clarifed and I've thought about it, I think you're right. Builders don't fit neatly into any of the four categories. I still think there is some overlapping, but not a perfect match.

+Anston Music like almost everything in psychology, everyone is at least a bit of everything. You are classified as the most predominant of the 4.

Also, how you play in a game would depend on the experience you want to have. If you're playing, say, a competitive MOBA or FPS, you're going to play very differently from, say, a single-player FPS or a strategy game. Heck, I switch player types in the same game sometimes. In TF2, for instance, it's easy to go from "Killer" or "Achiever" to "Socializer" by, say, doing a conga or changing classes, or just trying a different kind of server. And like Wolf Pytlak said above, people are always a mix of things, almost never an absolute. I say "almost never" because saying "never an absolute" feels silly.

I doubt you're a killer. Do you enjoy insulting your opponent and putting them down? As for the environment I'll be able to help you if you give me more information. Do you prefer pvp or pve ?

Anton Adelson I've played GW2 World vs World with very much killer-like styles, and boy do I love wrecking someone in 1v1 and then dancing on their body. Sometimes even 1v2 or more by surprise when they are trying to kill certain npc's. In that game mode only do I like to feel the dominance flow through me. *FEAR ME!*' I should upload some videos of that sometimes. Guild Wars 2 is the greatest MMORPG at the moment, really. I've played a lot of both pvp (structured and WvW, they feel very distinct) and pve, once I get bored of the other I'll play more of the other, so I can't tell which I like better.

Anston Music​ But your avatar is so cute :)) Anyway, if in real world you could do absolutely anything you want and no one could punish you for it, would you dominate others and dance on their bodies? Knowing that it upsets them?

Actually from my research, Speed runners are explorers

what?

I think speedrunners are the achievers, and glitch hunters are the explorers.

Some speedrunners are also glitch hunters. So some qualify for explorers too

There is a lot of stuff for explorers in Minecraft.

+EchoL0C0 I think "action" is doing something within the game, like jumping on enemies or talking to NPCs. "Interaction" would be things you do that alters the world around you in some way, such as unplugging a drain to lower the water level in the room or using a key to unlock a door.

+EchoL0C0 In this context, when you "act", you are expressing dominance. When an Achiever beats a level, they are defeating the level itself. When a killer curbstomps someone in PvP they are defeating another player. On the other hand, "interaction" is all about working with the other person or object. When an explorer finds an easter egg, they are working with the level in order to uncover all its secrets. When a socializer organizes a raid, they are working with other players in order to achieve something greater.

+Joss Goyanko Though that isn't entirely accurate either. Killers do not always seek to win. Some simply seek a challenge which AI can't provide. Killer actually has a bunch of different subsets. I, personally, was what I'd call a joker or a wildcard. I didn't seek to win. I simply wanted to cause chaos. Not to bring about emotional distress or such, but simply to alleviate stagnation by being a random element in the world. With half health I'd attack full teams, die quickly, and enjoy it because it provided me various thrills I wanted.

Simply Solus That phrase, "various thrills I wanted" is a little too vague for my taste. Still, I suppose you have a point. I think I will amend my previous statement. Perhaps a better and simpler definition for "Action" in this case would be, "Competition." When you attack another player, you are instigating a combative, adversarial relationship of a competitive nature between you and the other player. The difference then between "Action" and "Interaction" would be that Interaction is Cooperative. A Socializer Cooperates with other players while a Killer Competes against them. An Achiever Competes against the game itself, while the Explorer is essentially Cooperating with it, working with the mechanics and level design in order to uncover new secrets. I think the flaw here in Bartle's Taxonomy is it assumes that the player desires Victory through Action or Interaction, but doesn't realize that some players, such as yourself, find the Challenge itself more engaging than the win condition.

Joss Goyanko Various thrills can be all sorts of things for me. It can be the stealth aspects, the attempt to escape, the chase of someone fleeing, simple chaos, and all sorts of other things. That said, I think you are really onto something with the issue being in seeking victory. With the concept of victory thrown away, this allows for people who simply maintain theirself to fit on the chart. (e.g., someone who just logs in to maintain their crops in minecraft.)

+Wakka Seta Technically, Timmy, Johnny, and Spike make up one set of archetypes and form a 3-dimensional continuum as people can be any combination of those three to any degree, with Vorthos and Melvin making up another continuum, albeit a 1-dimensional one as a lack of one trait means a lot of the other. But I'm just splitting hairs here.

I always enjoy different systems of categorisation like these. I find Rosewater's types very useful to apply to social situations even when there are no literal games being played.

+playdude92 You are not defined to only one group, and you can be mixture of two or more. The graph is made to understand your dominate personality. I would categorize myself as in the killer group, but I also enjoy socializing and exploring. I believe is hard to fully understand this material in a personal level. All said and done, regardless on what category you lie on it doesn't matter. As long as you're enjoy playing your games.

You say you seek immersion as your primary source of fun. That's a clearly defined explorer trait. I'm one too. Don't worry :))

Like almost all things psychological, it's less of an absolute single type and more a mixture. Nobody's just one specific player type, it depends on what you're in the mood for and what's going on in the game.

One thing that the chart is very similar to is a political chart. It also looks almost exactly like that. With progressive and conservative on the vertical axis and left and right winged on the horizontal axis. We should treat it the same way and so people all the way on one side are more the exception.

+Jake Pillsbury That's explorer I think. It kind of fits with 2:56.

+Jake Pillsbury It sounds like you fall into a combination of Explorer and Achiever. You are exploring what makes up the game. Taking Minecraft for example and seeing how far you can take the crafting system. Your exploring the "Mechanics" of the game so to speak, taking the system the game world is set upon and messing with it, seeing how far you can take it.

+Randygandalf95 That's not quite what my thought process is, but it's kinda close. I'm in it more for the part where my wheels are turning than finally figuring out the answer.

+Jake Pillsbury I would say that you are a achiever then, as from my understanding, does a achiever go after achievements mostly for the challenge of getting them, otherwise wouldn't they be much worth, and an achiever isn't defined by wanting to get an achievement, they just usually likes it when a game acknowledges them beating a challenge (in which a achievement system does a good job of doing so). though, I might be wrong, but that's what I think.

+Jake Pillsbury Seems like me. I'd say we're World side, and slightly more Achiever than Explorer but not so clear cut on that axis.

You got one part of that wrong. There is a chance to find Socializer in MOBAs. a slim one. A quite slim one.

+Anton M Same Here.

+Anton M A mix of multiple classes? Killer-explorer or semi-achiever or socializer-killer? Maybe pure center? Or just victim other players to play upon.

+Fionn Conner me too

+MrDUneven Explorer-killer maybe...

+Anton M I mean, I don't what I am either. But if I force myself to pick one I think it would be Explorer-Socializer.

+jerome96114 I'd say explorer, because you want to see the content that's in the game, ie the world. That may also involve acting upon the world, so there's an achiever element to it, but if the primary motivation is the experience of content, yeah I'd say explorer. However, if you tend to not read quests, skip through cutscenes, and finish as fast as possible, then you're an achiever.

+jerome96114 I'd say explorer. That's the group I place myself in and I'm very much playing for the setting and story. I made another comment about how I collect useless trinkets with connections to the lore.

+jerome96114 I probably would say a combination of Explorer and Achiever. Explorer because people want to experience the story and their interaction with the world and NPCs in the game world really intrigue them. Achiever simply because sometimes to explore new areas or find different things within the game, a task(s) must be accomplished. I have to say I experience the main story, more as an achiever than an explorer so I am making this comment knowing I have that tendency.

+jerome96114 depends a little bit how you see it from your point of view, but most probably explorer. Since you play the game to find something you never had/knew before.

TopHatPangolin There are multiplayer games that have a main storyline. Final Fantasy 14 for example. One might also consider the community oriented plot of Elite: Dangerous as a main story. Though, thinking about it some more, I'm not sure if the explorer archetype applies to on-the-rails experiences. It's more about how you play along the way. Stop and smell the roses, as it were. That would be exploring.

Divixion that could fall under the socializer or explorer

Lore and stories? Explorers, with maybe some minor overlap with socializers in case of NPCs.

Erica Trent you know you could be 2 or more type at once to a degree right?

that game doesn't seem like it demonstrates any interesting game making traits.

+olegator5 Actually, they can talk about it's impact on the gaming world. The game, on a whole, is seen as one of those "guilty pleasure" games which are generally looked down upon by the gaming world except for niche players. However, the game still has a HUGE impact on the gaming world and is generally accepted. Does it have to do with it's intention to be satire? or maybe the devs being all female give it immunity? or maybe even some other factor most people have still yet to consider? Just what about this game makes it so different from other dating simulator games? Especially since it's main goal is "earning" these girls, just like trophies. Kinda makes you think.

Yeah it's basically candy crush with anime grils In terms of an "ending" there really isn't one.

+r0mit As someone who plays eroge I never really understood all the fuss about that game. It's just a western eroge with puzzle elements, nothing groundbreaking. It's not the first one on steam either, heck nowadays you can even get Grisaia on steam. I guess it's more accepted because of all the noise it made among people who are less knowledgeable about this genre because of the 2nd degree humour that characterize the game. It was enough to trigger the attention of youtubers and streamers, wich made it even more popular. So rather than only reaching o a nich of hard core VN fans (like the ones who put money on localization Kickstarters for games like Grisaia or more recently the Muv-Luv serie), it became popular with a larger public that isn't necessarily into VNs and especially dating-sim and eroge.

+Paradox Acres With the kind of thing that HuniePop is known for, mixing together Extra Credits and HuniePop is probably going to be like mixing together #GamerGate and third-wave feminism; highly explosive.

I wouldn't say thats all true. As I am a socialite at core with MMO's - however if nobody else will rise up, or I find I easily stomp my entire guild and pull 90% of the weight then I transition to killer... But I still give advice and starter equipment to new players.

Funny.. What games do you play?